So Senseless...

[Team-G]

If some moron is blazing down the road a high speed when someone else's wife and kids, let alone mine, are in their potential path, I want him to do what's necessary to get that dope to cease.

The idiot is required to yield to the officer.  

Mixed emotions here, SD...

The guy/situation is more dangerous being chased.  The officer knew the others were stopped, they can I.D. the dork, cuff him tomorrow, and drag his ass to jail and whatever else goes along with it.

Technology exists for police to have a 'remote ignition disable' function (did the research for a business venture).  Like a radar gun, point, shoot, ignition off, the chased vehicle, car/bike, coasts to a stop.

Thankfully, the guy didn't have a passanger; seen those types of chases also...

[G 97]

Senseless on the motorcycle riders part.   He chose to run.  He basically killed himself.  

Responsibility lies solely with him.  Senseless indeed.  Just pull over. Simple.   I feel for the law enforcement who have to live with this memory all because some idiot chose to run.  

[pnther15]

My best friend is a police officer in Moberly, I heard about this yesterday.  The officer was parked on the SIDE of the HIGHWAY...He had his lights on and was waiting for the bike to pass.  The bike impacted him while parked and ejected the rider some 200 feet past the car.  The impact was estimated at over 120 MPH and broke the front axel of the patrol car.  Just to make it clear, before we blame the cops.  The officer was not on the highway.....My guess he was to busy watching behind him.  Two others were taken into custody and one escaped.

Dave

[Super Dave]

Mixed emotions here, SD...

The guy/situation is more dangerous being chased.  The officer knew the others were stopped, they can I.D. the dork, cuff him tomorrow, and drag his ass to jail and whatever else goes along with it.

Don't buy it.

Kid gets a taxpayer defense lawyer that states that his client's motorcycle was "borrowed" at a party and that he was somewhere else.

[Super Dave]

on Oct 6th, 2005, 8:09pm, ducatirider944  wrote:


 A: I don't care how fast your bike is, it WILL NOT out run a radio.  

Really?  I love when people say that.  I really shows an ignorance of reality.

Call!

Ok, how do you feel that that's ignorant.

Let's say that a bike CAN go 200MPH immediately.

Radio waves travel 186,000 miles per second...the speed of light.

Show the ignorance.

[TommyG]

wrong or right,no matter who`s side you take or what your stance on the topic is, the negative impact on the motorcycle community as a whole cannot be reversed. :(

[Team-G]

the negative impact on the motorcycle community as a whole cannot be reversed. :(

yup

[Super Dave]

Totally agree.

Bikes can go so much faster than squad cars.

It's simply like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

More bad press, more accidents involving nuns or something and restrictions could be pressed from the public?

It's not hard to imagine.

[roadracer162]

+1 , I was thinking that same thing.

I think the story is written wrong or something because the cops have no hope of catching any late model sportbike from behind.  I never would say running is the right thing to do, but you also have to place value on human life even when the suspect doesn't.  It is essentially the same as an attempted suicide, they try their best to save the person.  If they acted like this officer, I guess they just snipe them to end the situation quickly.  I think the story needs clarification.  Bone heads either way though.

I agree with the statement of attempted suicide. It is as if an officer says, "He was threatening to kill himself so I shot him in the head".

What the rider is doing is irresponsible and I do not condone it.

The potential of this speeding rider to crash into a family of four and kill them is a possibility. Does this mean the officer has the right to shoot and kill the rider beforehand? I think not.

Street riding is for the street. Fast riding is for the racetrack. The rider must still be responsible and not reckless.

One must take into account the real facts of the situation or is it all speculation. None of us knows the situation but just the outcome. ONE DEAD.

[cleezmo]

The rider chose to ride 120+ on the highway, and he chose to flee. He made 2 very bad decisions and paid, as someone said, the ultimate price. Noone said "Ride this fast, run from the cops if they see you". They were his choices.

I fail to see how you can blame law enforcement for the crash of an idiot running from them. I would bet lots of $$ that the kid did NOT have the talent/skill to be effectively operating the bike at that velocity on a track, let alone a public steet, even before you add the stress of running from the cops.

I'm with SD - his choices, his loss. If he had pulled over, none of us would be typing right now. As far as I'm concerned I'm just glad he didn't seriously injur anybody else in his way...

[Lowe119]

The motorcycle driven by Jacob Self continued northbound and eventually traveled northbound on U.S. 63 at a high rate of speed eluding a Moberly Police Officer who was approximately one mile behind. A Randolph County Deputy, who was attempting to get into position to overtake the eluding motorcycle, was northbound in the passing lane of U.S. 63 and was struck in the right front fender as Self was attempting to pass.

I gather that he was already beating one cop and he caught the other cop. All were "northbound". So it sounds like the cop might've been blocking and the cycle driver couldn't avoid him.

Do you ever see the testosterone flow in these cops after a chase like this? I'm sure when someone blatantly disregards your authority and gets away with it for a whole chase, the guy probably didn't care about a SAFE way to get this cycle off the road - he probably just wanted to win the pursuit.

Who's fault is the death? - the motorcycle driver.

But as far as "Can't outrun a radio"??? Can't physically outrun a radio, but you can turn onto a different road. That's like saying "You can't outrun a bullet." But bullets miss.

You can outsmart both, but I'd rather not try.

but........ where I ride, if you pass a cop, he is far far behind by the time he turns around and the nearest cop is another 10 miles away. Within that 10 miles, there is about 20 other roads I can turn on.

[Super Dave]

The potential of this speeding rider to crash into a family of four and kill them is a possibility. Does this mean the officer has the right to shoot and kill the rider beforehand? I think not.

You can't be ridiculous.

He was fleeing a officer.  I think that's a felony pretty much anywhere.  When you act reckless going such high speeds...We're not talking potential, we're talking that WHEN he can't stop and hits something, the mass of his bike, and his body will probably cut a mini van in half.  It's not potential, it's in that state of motion.

Until that person stops or he's removed from the field of play, the course is set into motion.