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Title: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: msmithgsxr on February 18, 2005, 07:24:22 AM
He is listed as riding for Team Hotbodies.

Published on February 3, 2005 by Modesto Bee, The (CA)
ARREST MADE IN ASSAULT CASE
Modesto police Wednesday arrested a Riverbank teenager they believe assaulted and stabbed a 17-year-old Beyer High School student last week. Nicholas Moore, 18, was arrested for investigation of assault with a deadly weapon. Investigators believe he stabbed the victim twice in the leg and beat him with a baseball bat at Beyer Park late Friday night, officer Rick Applegate said. Moore is being held at Stanislaus County Jail in lieu of $20,000

Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Chuck on February 18, 2005, 07:32:46 AM
Wow...I hope that is a case of a serious mis understanding.  I would hate to see a young gun throw hiw life away over a teenage sqwabble....
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Gixxerblade on February 18, 2005, 07:52:33 AM
You sre its the same Nick Moore? I think Nick spelled his name Nicklaus. I am not sure but thats what I remember seeing.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: WebCrush on February 18, 2005, 07:56:04 AM
The racer Nicholas Moore is from Wisconsin
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Decreasing_Dave on February 18, 2005, 08:40:02 AM
QuoteThe racer Nicholas Moore is from Wisconsin


Maybe...but he lived in, and rode out of Pacific region.  ???

I hope for his sake that it wasn't him.  Who has the link to the original story??
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: J-Janisch on February 18, 2005, 09:33:03 AM
Nicky Moore is not from WI.......he's from cali, has been 4ever
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: racen123 on February 18, 2005, 10:07:43 AM
I don't know if it is him, but he lives in Riverbank, next to Modesto, so it's possible.Nickoles Moore is how it he spells his name next to his 2005 national number in supersport and he is listed to ride for Hotbodies.............http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=7162
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: WebCrush on February 18, 2005, 10:17:15 AM
Sorry, saw his name listed on the mid-west CCS results here: http://www.formulausa.com/points/ccspoints/Midwest%20Class%20Points

I guess the name Nicholas Moore isn't that uncommon.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: racen123 on February 18, 2005, 12:40:56 PM
Maybe it's not him......http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=7165
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: cstem on February 18, 2005, 01:58:08 PM
Thanks 123- I never would have guessed Nicky to be like that.  Let's hope that is the case.  
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: cstem on February 18, 2005, 02:01:18 PM
Thanks 123- I never would have guessed Nicky to be like that.  Let's hope that is the case.  
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Gixxerblade on February 19, 2005, 02:43:01 PM
I guess there are conflicting stories about whether he was arrested or not.  http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=11624
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Decreasing_Dave on February 22, 2005, 11:37:06 AM
QuoteI guess there are conflicting stories about whether he was arrested or not.  http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=11624

Based on that article that you referenced, it doen't sound like there's anything conflicting about it.   :-/
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: r6_philly on February 22, 2005, 05:12:21 PM
so who would you believe? the kid or his father, or the police department?

it looks bad enough already, regardless of whether he really commited a crime. no rebuttals either after rrw reported the police dept. statemtnt, this doesn't look all that cool  >:(
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: PJ on February 22, 2005, 06:11:39 PM
Innocent until proven guilty.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: khanson on February 22, 2005, 07:20:50 PM
As a detective I always liked it when people placed themselves at the scene of the crime with no involvement.  It makes our job much easier.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this.

Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Baltobuell on February 22, 2005, 09:08:48 PM
 You guys don't know how lucky you are to have led such very sheltered lives.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 23, 2005, 01:54:40 AM
Who among us hasn't made a few really bad decisions or done some really stupid s#!t in their lives, especially when we were young?  The difference between morally righteous and convicted felon is often just a matter of luck.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Decreasing_Dave on February 23, 2005, 02:33:11 AM
Quote The difference between morally righteous and convicted felon is often just a matter of luck.

.....and a fast streetbike  ;D
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: hi-side_racing on February 23, 2005, 06:10:43 AM
QuoteYou guys don't know how lucky you are to have led such very sheltered lives.

LOL, yeah I can't remember how many times I've been accused of assualt with a baseball bat and knife...

there's a huge difference between sheltered life and assault with a deadly weapon.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: fourandsix on February 23, 2005, 06:14:23 AM
QuoteWho among us hasn't made a few really bad decisions or done some really stupid s#!t in their lives, especially when we were young?  The difference between morally righteous and convicted felon is often just a matter of luck.

Or Stupidity!
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Dawn on February 23, 2005, 06:21:46 AM
The lives we lead are determined by the choices we make.  

Paul and I grew up in families where "I didn't know" wasn't a valid excuse.  If you went to a party where there was drugs, you left.  If you were where a fight broke out, you left and if need be, dragged your best bud with you.  If that person didn't want to go no matter what the persuasion, you left because when it comes down to it, you need to look out for yourself (besides, someone may need to post bail  j/k).

Since Renee's been 10, we've been pounding into her head how she is to handle situations regarding: drinking, sex, drugs and fights.  

Dawn
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: WebCrush on February 23, 2005, 06:59:33 AM
Quotedrinking, sex, drugs and fights.  


sounds like the natural progression for dating and marriage. :D
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: spyderchick on February 23, 2005, 07:46:01 AM
Quotesounds like the natural progression for dating and marriage. :D


Why ruin it with marriage when it's going so well? :o ::)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: spyderchick on February 23, 2005, 07:46:24 AM
QuoteThe lives we lead are determined by the choices we make.  

Paul and I grew up in families where "I didn't know" wasn't a valid excuse.  If you went to a party where there was drugs, you left.  If you were where a fight broke out, you left and if need be, dragged your best bud with you.  If that person didn't want to go no matter what the persuasion, you left because when it comes down to it, you need to look out for yourself (besides, someone may need to post bail  j/k).

Since Renee's been 10, we've been pounding into her head how she is to handle situations regarding: drinking, sex, drugs and fights.  

Dawn


What she said! :)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 23, 2005, 08:31:21 AM
QuoteInnocent until proven guilty.

But if proven guilty or not...

Someone isn't telling the truth, regardless of the outcome.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: L8brake731 on February 23, 2005, 09:04:20 AM
Spoke to Nicky last night. He catagorically says "it wasn't me who did this", he also says his arraignment is today, so I guess we'll see what the outcome is. ???

If I hear anything, I will keep the forum posted.

Nevertheless, a true testament in "wrong place at the wrong time" :-[
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 23, 2005, 09:07:12 AM
It's like when somebody starts preaching about drunk driving.  Ask that person, "Have you EVER been behind the wheel after having a few drinks?"  Usually, the answer is "Well yes, but...."
We all have indiscretions in our pasts.  I've been in some really ugly scraps in my day.  The only thing that kept me out of jail was the fact that I heard sirens before I actually killed my opponent.  That and the fact that my opponents preferred to take their beatings without selling me out to the cops....
I probably wouldn't do anything like that now, but I did it then.  Makes it kinda hard to play judge when others go where I've been. :-/
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 23, 2005, 09:11:27 AM
And as far as weapons go, when you're five to one, you grab what's handy.  A guy can really even up the odds with something as simple as a car antenna....  My point is, no one here needs to judge this kid.  That's what courts are for.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: L8brake731 on February 23, 2005, 09:25:45 AM
After reading this thread last night, I couldn't help but think of how talented this kid is and what's at stake (racing wise).

For the sake of Nicky, his Dad and sister, I hope this is not true.

Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 23, 2005, 09:32:22 AM
Well, yeah...

Talented.  A lot of people are.  Some people have more money to drop for opportunities.  And what happens after that...well.

Sometimes really talented people do goofy things.  Really is contingent upon someone pushing a rock up a hill.  If you know that you might get in trouble, well, you might look for different things to do in an opportunity.  

I hope it's all a misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Decreasing_Dave on February 23, 2005, 06:01:20 PM
QuoteInnocent until proven guilty.


That statement makes me wonder if have ever been arrested before.  :-/

I've been on both sides of the law, it was rarely, if ever, innocent until proven guilty.  Aside from the police part of it, if it ever gets picked up by the press, the word "innocent" won't even appear in the storyline, let alone the police blotter.

In the case of innocent until proven guilty, the constitution doesn't seem to play the way it was supposed to.  

If you were on a jury, and someone was lying or rather, stacking the facts to benefit their case, who would you believe, the cops or the convict to be.?

Dave
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: james-redsv on February 23, 2005, 06:28:35 PM
QuoteIf you were on a jury, and someone was lying or rather, stacking the facts to benefit their case, who would you believe, the cops or the convict to be.?

Sure I would belive the convict to be, they always tell the truth. :o Man you really have lost faith in the law and law enforcement. I have sat on jurys many times. I know a county court judge personally. I have friends who are cops. They all do an outstanding job locking up the crimanals. :P
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: r6_philly on February 23, 2005, 07:36:43 PM
well I was arrested once here in the town I lived in. The charges were dropped and nothing came of it... however the arresting officer made nasty phone calls to my home phone to the point I had to change my number (for at least a month)... it seemed to me they were bored and wanted to prank on someone. To me it felt like the moment they felt the need to put cuffs on you you are the scum of the world, and if you didn't commit this crime, you must have commited many others that they don't know about.

Innocent until proven guilty? I think what is really happening is innocent until accused, then you are always guilty of something.

I still wonder though, if the kid knew he had arrainment today, why did he deny he was booked to a press which probably really cared about his well being... that just make you look 10 times more guilty. Not only "I didn't do it" but "It wasn't me they booked"... calling the police as lying doesn't sit look good at all.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Baltobuell on February 23, 2005, 09:32:16 PM
Guilty or not he's a kid that's IMHO normal. So he went a little too far and needs to calm down. Whoever had this other kid down, had them, period. There was a point to be proven and it was. A bat, but no broken bones, A knife, and 2 pokes in the leg? At 18, what do you think was the problem. 2 options are all I can think of
1. Kid 1 ripped off kid 2 (payback is a Bit*h)
2. A girl ( who usually ended up being a Bit*h)
  I grew up in a different time. The cops or a lawyer are the last people we would have called no matter which kid we were. Stuff like this is how kids figure out who they are.

 K3, Your antenna story made me think, did you know you can beat a person unconscious with a helmet? Those were the days ;D
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Decreasing_Dave on February 24, 2005, 01:05:34 AM
QuoteMan you really have lost faith in the law and law enforcement. I have sat on jurys many times. I know a county court judge personally. I have friends who are cops. They all do an outstanding job locking up the crimanals. :P

Maybe.....but at this point you should know that I am a Federal Agent, a Supervisor with the U.S. Border Patrol.  

Although I won't be able to make you understand without a post that resembles a college thesis in length, we operate on a "catch and release" type system.  This would be fine if it was only the good guys that were released, but it's not.  Immigration into this country is a HUGE problem and not all immigrants are good people.

I haven't lost faith as much as I see the system working like some altered universe.  

Innocent until proven guilty.  If this was the case, you wouldn't be able to be "locked up" (baring safety concerns) until AFTER your trial.  You would be free to move about as you please.  Instead, you are locked up or forced to put up money so that you don't disapear before your trial.  Why is that?? You're are presumed innocent, correct?? Then why should you have to put up a bond so that you don't skip town?? An innocent man wouldn't skip town.  So are you considered innocent after all??  No, of course not.

But here's the thing.  Some people have such overwhelming evidence against them that the police are SURE that they are guilty, therefore they are jailed.  This is fine, but this still goes against the "innocent until proven guilty" statement.  Only a Judge can be a Judge and they're the ones that make those determinations.  Hence an arrest warrant.  A Judge can issue one based on evidence presented by the police.  However, the suspect, although now arrested, still has to go to trial to be proven guilty??  Doesn't that mean that they have jailed an "innocent" man??  Negative, that man is considered guilty until HE (or his attorney) proves HIS innocence in a court of law.


Didn't you ever see "My Cousin Vinny" ??
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 24, 2005, 02:32:45 AM
QuoteInnocent until proven guilty? I think what is really happening is innocent until accused, then you are always guilty of something.

I still wonder though, if the kid knew he had arrainment today, why did he deny he was booked to a press which probably really cared about his well being... that just make you look 10 times more guilty. Not only "I didn't do it" but "It wasn't me they booked"... calling the police as lying doesn't sit look good at all.

Exactly.  Don't lie.  The truth will set you free.  Make yourself out to be a liar and well...

What's your dad telling you to say, Nicky?  

Look, a police officer is out to do his job.  I doubt that it's so boring that you have to go out and find people that are doing criminal things.  

There are plenty of stupid people out there.  If the cr@p is hitting the fan, well, yeah, you can help a buddy, but you probably have a cell phone, and your girlfriend does too...a call to the police is probably in order.  If there are other issues...well, what would your mom think?  Yeah, we do stupid things.  Some things are more stupid than others.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: L8brake731 on February 24, 2005, 08:13:07 AM
"My Cousin Vinny" is a GREAT movie, especially the part where his girlfriend is called as an "expert wittness". ;D
See you in a couple weeks Dave.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: mad_brad on February 24, 2005, 08:40:35 AM
this sure makes erion's release of anthony gobert for "suspicionof DUI" look silly.

what a shame for this talented kid.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 24, 2005, 08:59:01 AM
Quotethis sure makes erion's release of anthony gobert for "suspicionof DUI" look silly.


LOL!
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: james-redsv on February 25, 2005, 04:06:12 PM
Quotethis sure makes erion's release of anthony gobert for "suspicionof DUI" look silly.

what a shame for this talented kid.
If it had been the first time this he had donethis he probally wouldnt have been fired. Since it was a pattern with him erion really had no choice. Im sure he was warned before he signed, one slip and your out. 8) The sad part is he couldnt help himself. He had one last chance and he blew it.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: mad_brad on February 26, 2005, 03:18:39 PM
blew what? he was not charged with anything.


whatever. gobert is the finest racer the ama has ever had the pleasure to see.

a hell of a nice guy, and ten times a better human being than mat mlady.

peace.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: r6_philly on February 26, 2005, 05:12:17 PM
DUI and smoking week isn't exactly something the paddock are not used to, I don't see what the big deal is with gobert...

I still don't see Aaron Yates being released for looking stupid and being a great role model on national TV, the gobert thing is just grossly unfair.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 27, 2005, 03:01:41 AM
QuoteDUI and smoking week isn't exactly something the paddock are not used to, I don't see what the big deal is with gobert...

I still don't see Aaron Yates being released for looking stupid and being a great role model on national TV, the gobert thing is just grossly unfair.

In the early 70's, there was a guy that smoked weed and raced the AMA 250 or 350 Grand Prix series.  He hurt himself and others.  That set the standard there for drug testing.

Teams, however, paid Gobert's salary.  They were the ones that fired him.  Talented, yeah.  But with a handful of dates that you actually "work" on...you're there to win championships...there are bonuses available.  If you're a mechanic, and your rider is out doin' something he shouldn't...why should you expend any effort?  You're not gonna get that bonus.  You're gonna have to work overtime when the testing program should have been done some other time.  

Good rider...

But the AMA has had lots of world champions.  Roberts, Edwards, Lawson, Rainey, Schwantz, Baker, Polen, Russell, Spencer...Gobert's won some races.  Nice.  So did those other guys.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: mad_brad on February 27, 2005, 04:28:39 AM
i think some folks need to go back and watch gobert win on theat POS kawasaki in WSB. (a series that mladin never di, or will win) and take note that no one has ridden a bike like him since. haga has come close with the YZF. one should also know he won his first ever WSB race. gobert's predicament is a shame for sure.


i just see no need to ostracize him. like i said. he's still the greatest, nicest, most humble guy the AMA has ever seen.

and don't get me started on the reason that the JACKASS known as aaron yates still has a job. NOTHING gobert ever did can compare to a single one of his asinine episodes.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 27, 2005, 01:19:47 PM
Quoteand don't get me started on the reason that the JACKASS known as aaron yates still has a job. NOTHING gobert ever did can compare to a single one of his asinine episodes.
When I think of the sheer number of talented, aspiring pro newcomers who deserve Yates' ride more than he does....
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 27, 2005, 01:21:10 PM
I don't know if I'm the only one to feel this way, but I no longer use Yoshimura products.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Clarkie on February 27, 2005, 01:31:25 PM
Quoteone should also know he won his first ever WSB race. gobert's predicament is a shame for sure.

2nd Race, he was winning the first race but team orders made him pull over on the last lap to let Russell by, the second race there were no Team orders  ;)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 27, 2005, 02:06:08 PM
Quotegobert's predicament is a shame for sure.

Really?

Did I mention that the AMA started drug testing in the 70's?

Might even be before he was born.

So, the rules play out for everyone...

Why shouldn't he play by the same rules?

I think a predicament would be that something is unfair for his opportunity to  make choices.  Certainly, he made choices that were against his contract and against the rules that we all sign when we apply for racing licenses....AHRMA, CCS, WERA, AMA, FIM, etc.

How's that a predicament?  Most people won't have the opportunities that he had.  He just managed to flush all them down the toilet like a bad dimebag...


 ???
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: mad_brad on February 27, 2005, 05:57:19 PM
i know for a fact that a few un-named world champions smoked dope, and worse while they were winning titles.


suzuki knew it were a convienient way to get of gobert, and it worked. he also had the hairy eyeball on him the rest of his career. shame, because yamaha needs him badly in superbike. (and no, nladin as good as people thin he is, would NEVER win on the R7)

i know the blame is all his. but i truly disagree with his dismissal from erion. he's still my favorite. because my brain apparently can remember more than just one race at a time.

gobert was magical, and NO ONE has ridden as well since.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: MarkB on February 27, 2005, 06:59:49 PM
Stupid topic.  How does a drug help you go faster.  i could smoke all the dope in Madbrads pencil-case and I'd still turn the same lap times (well slower really).

The AMA should stop dope testing, it is very gay of them.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: norcalboardr on February 27, 2005, 10:24:24 PM
whats up guys.. im pretty new to this site just thought id clear some stuff up and give u my info.. im friends of the stabbed victim and some1 i know pointed out this site and stuff.. and i was their at the stabbing/beating.. but anyways it started off as a school rivalry this school wrote chop it up beyer(our school name) on their chests at a basketball game then some students from our school went over and wrote beyer on their cars before our second game with them..in some washable stuff on their windows.. anyways we won both basketball games and we hung out at this park after the games.. well probally about 40 of us.. but half the people left before this beating happened anyways they found out about were we hung out fast.. so my friend drove through burgerking where prob 20 to 30 cars were parked that (mostly)go to our rival school davis.. anyways these cars followed my friend back to the park were about only 15 of us left were.. and prob 20 kids at the least jumped out of the car first with bats and tire irons and stuff so we pretty much all tried to leave hella quick but they jumped 1 of my friends and beat him with a bat then stabbed him twice n the leg..they say he was mistaken for one of the guys that wrote on their cars.. but he wasnt apart of the guys that wrote shit on peoples cars so i dunno.. they pretty much beat him unconcious then after that "nick moore" supposively came up and stabbed him in the leg twice after he was already on the ground.. his friends told us that he was bragging about doing it and saying he stabbed him and stuff.. but its funny because he doesnt even go to davis he was just their for the fight i guess.. ive heard, dont quote me on this shit but he either has friends that r in a gang that helped jump my friend and go to davis or hes a part of that gang and thats why he was their..(i heard he was apart of it but i dont wanna say that and it be untrue) but im positive this is the kid that is part of ur racing community and stuff because his friends told us he races and hes said he races and stuff.. but according to our school cop and the paper he was arrested and is being charged with this.. i couldnt tell u if he did it because i dont know the guy and it happened so fast and their was about 9 other guys on my friend we came to find out later because we pretty much just tried to leave when 20 cars full of people with bats come running after 15 of us.. so some of his friends and other people that were their have told us that he stabbed my friend and that he was bragging about coming up after he was already on the ground and stabbing him.. but dont quote me because i dunno if he did it but the davis guys that were apart of this all say it was him.. and i was their but i dont know the guy so i couldnt point him out and be like yeah it was nick moore but i know he is being charged with the crime and he is the one you guys are refering to.. anyways just thought id clear shit up.. didnt realize how public this was haha if theirs anymore questions ill try to awnser just reply back.. laterrr.. oh and im not accusing him or whatever but the cops had enough evidence to arrest him and charge him with this crap.. ive also heard i dunno if its true but he's selling his truck for a lawyer but i have no idea if thats true just stuff that gets around i guess cauz hed be pretty fucked since hes 18 and stabbed a minor.. ive talked to him once when he called my friend and hes been really cool about the whole thing but he has a lot on the line with this case.. oh and him pulling out a knife to even the odds is total bullshit.. their was probally 10 guys to 1 of our guys.. and no of us had weapons.. we werent planning on fighting they just showed up with bats swinging.. so he didnt do this outta self defense i know that forsure.. and i read that article( http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=ALL ) were nick said will(my friend who got stabbed) is like dating his sister.. thats total bullshit.. he barely talked to the girl(he knows her but not very well)and now she calls him all the time to try to talk to him about this.. he doesnt know if nick stabbed him because he doesnt know him adn he was unconcious.. and he def. isnt very close to his sister lol.. ive known this guy since like 4th grade and he never once mentioned her name until she started callin him talkin about her brother... this is all stuff i witnessed and heard from people that were their at the fight.. so this isnt bullshit.. and i hella believe in innocent until proven guilty.. but IN MY OPINION odds arent in his favor.. especially since the cops cant arrest him on just a guess or word of mouth they have evidence or somethin
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 28, 2005, 02:02:19 AM
That sure doesn't sound like a fun evening....
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 28, 2005, 02:57:43 AM
And is only a third party statement.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: hi-side_racing on February 28, 2005, 05:40:06 AM
WTF ? Is it just me or do you find it more disturbing that  a person in high school can't put a basic sentence together ? Spelling and punctuation also seem to be a lost art.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: dryheat on February 28, 2005, 06:37:28 AM
QuoteWTF ? Is it just me or do you find it more disturbing that  a person in high school can't put a basic sentence together ? Spelling and punctuation also seem to be a lost art.

Nope, it's not just... that's exactly what I was thinking. Since when does "r" replace "our".

Reading that gave me a headache.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Chuck on February 28, 2005, 06:50:07 AM
That was extremely painfull to read and I could hardly make sense of it.  I hope the highschools around here are still teaching grammar.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: G 97 on February 28, 2005, 06:53:40 AM
How about a................................................................................................................................................PARAGRAPH,  PLEASE.  :)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 28, 2005, 07:06:24 AM
Agreed.

My wife's an English teacher.  I could write better in third grade than some of her students.

But you have to recognize that norcalboardr is part of the IM age.  Short and sweet.

Was hard to decifer. 8)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Baltobuell on February 28, 2005, 07:19:43 AM
I don't care about grammer, that is a completely different picture than what I had imagined. That scene is pretty disturbing.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Chuck on February 28, 2005, 07:28:32 AM
QuoteI don't care about grammer, that is a completely different picture than what I had imagined. That scene is pretty disturbing.

I don't know any of the people involved, but in reading this I am trying to keep in mind that the information is from a 3rd party... it does sound like he is going to be tried for the crime though.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Clarkie on February 28, 2005, 07:45:23 AM
Quote I hope the highschools around here are still teaching grammar.

The high schools up here around Boston just teach their students to kick and stab the crap out of each other after any school sporting event  ::)

Seriously, once a week a local school is on the news for a stabbing, brawl, dust-up and the really cool thing is that when all those little punks grow up they trash their own city after they actually win a national competition  ::)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Chuck on February 28, 2005, 07:51:17 AM
I am sooo not looking forward to my kids growing into thier teens.  :'(
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: norcalboardr on February 28, 2005, 07:54:24 AM
Alright, sorry for not being gramatically correct. It was late at night I was just trying to give you the correct information that was going on with this incident. Sorry for trying to help you understand, I figured it would be best if you guys understood what was really happening rather than just reading about it and stuff. But that was my fault, I was in no way trying to write an essay for a class, just giving facts and I didn't bother taking time to spell check i just wanted to get the information out as fast and I could. But as far as i know he is being charged for the crime. But your right this is a third party statement, i was there and am really close to the stab victim, but i cant say nick did it. It's just strange that his friends have called my friend that was stabbed and gave us his name, and these guys that call are also guys that are suspected in being involved in the beating. My friend didnt even try to fight back he had probally 6-8 guys chasing him. Our school cop told us he was hit with a bat, tire iron, and a pipe. Thats not even including the people that kicked him in the head and punched him. Then got stabbed after he was on the ground unconcious for probally 30 seconds. After talking to our school cop about it, he said he interviewed a bunch of those kids and they thought he was dead.

QuoteI don't care about grammer, that is a completely different picture than what I had imagined. That scene is pretty disturbing.

thats exactly how i feel, I wasn't trying to be a english professor or anything, I was just trying to let you picture what actually happened because you deserve to know the truth. If you got a "headache" reading it, i didnt sit you down and make you read it I just put it up their for people interested in this topic.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 28, 2005, 11:29:58 AM
LOL!  

Hey, thanks for the reply.

Even this AM it was hard to understand.  Still did set the tone a bit for the scene.

I know somethings about some people, and I'll leave it at that.  

I guess the rest of us outside all this are just watching this affair from afar, which seems like a good place to be.  
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 28, 2005, 11:46:12 AM
Quotethats exactly how i feel, I wasn't trying to be a english professor or anything, I was just trying to let you picture what actually happened because you deserve to know the truth. If you got a "headache" reading it, i didnt sit you down and make you read it I just put it up their for people interested in this topic.
What you lacked in gramatical perfection was more than compensated for by your descriptive abilities.  Thanks for taking the time to fill us in.  Don't let these guys rough you up.
Man, I got in some pretty uncool fights in my teens and twenties, but nothing to compare to the mob action you described.  That's absolutely terrifying.  Are you trying to suggest that this sort of group behavior is NORMAL after a freaking basketball game?
I'm a child of the 60's.  In my day, the police dealt with this kind of situation by breaking out water cannons, plexiglass shields, batons, and tear gas....
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Thorny on February 28, 2005, 12:47:19 PM
Seeing this was in Cali. can't he have it set to "Murder One" and just get off?? Worked for OJ ;D
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: L8brake731 on February 28, 2005, 03:23:55 PM

School rivalry's have gone on since the beginning of time, some are off the wall!

How many of you reading this have gotten into it  (in high school)with someone from the rival school and not fought back? ??? GGEEEZZSSH!

Is this what we are raising these days? The "nobody wins, there are NO losers" society :o ??? It's just how you play the game and have fun, type of attitude ???

Hey, Norcalboardr; I am not deliberately trying to sound like an ass, but your friend needs to reach down deep inside and find his testosterone. Teach him how to fight back and stop being a wimp.

Just as Chris Onwiler mentioned, in the 60's and 70's fights were nothing unusual, but not trying to defend yourself is.  Glad he didn't check out, really.


Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: mad_brad on February 28, 2005, 03:43:29 PM
regardless, gobert owns you all.  ;D
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Super Dave on February 28, 2005, 03:55:28 PM
If you don't race, you can't win.

The rest of the Gobert racers are in the race...they are winners for that.

Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: norcalboardr on February 28, 2005, 08:24:44 PM
Thank you to the few that understand why i am here. I am in no way trying to accuse nick of the stabbing. He was arrested and his friends told us it was him but i cant determine that myself. And about my friend fighting back. It's not that he just ran because he was afraid of a 1 on 1 fight but when your getting chased by atleast 6 guys with bats, pipes, and tire irons(all those weapons beat my friend, it's in the police report and everything) theirs not much u can do but run. Even the cops said if he would have fought back he could have been killed because that gives the kids more aggression. It was probally actually a good thing he didnt fight back. But I honestly have never seen so many headlights on cars turning a corner in my life. Like i said before there was about 20-30 cars full of people coming after 15 of us at the most. So call us pu.ss.y's or whatever but im not trying to fight 40 plus people with bats. Our school rivalry is pretty big, but fights after games and stuff aren't that common around here unless some 1 was talking serious sh!t so we werent expecting it.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Baltobuell on February 28, 2005, 08:46:18 PM
Chuck, Love em' when they're little cause without those memories you'd have to kill them at 17.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on February 28, 2005, 10:55:49 PM
Yeah, teenaged boys will always fight.  I got sent to catholic high school to try to settle me down.  Yeah, sure....
For some reason, Br. Rice, St. Rita, Marist, Mt.Carmal, and Bishop MacNamara boys all thought they were at war with one another.  I suppose it was about the catholic football league, but it was really pretty stupid.  We all had the jackets, and wearing yours in the wrong neighborhood could get you beat up pretty bad.

But we weren't using bats and knives!


Fighting is stupid.  Teenaged boys are stupid.  The only known cure is to survive and grow older.  We've all been there.  But using deadly weapons?  That's way out on the edge.  Do people really need to kill each other over scholastic sporting events?  You might be able to plead your way out of a fist fight, but assault with a deadly weapon is worse by a whole bunch!  Getting busted for that crime will be a life-changing event for any youngster.  Try getting a real job once you sport a felony like that on your record.  You can't even drive a truck!  No CDL for you, Felony Boy!  Nope, once you go that route, you're branded for life.  Kids need to be parented better.  They'll still make stupid decisions, but at least the consequences won't come as a shock to them....
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: cstem on March 01, 2005, 02:13:52 PM
Well, if the cse is anywhere near as convoluted as this story is, what with sisters calling and my friend that I don't really know saying this, then the stupid school cop- who probably is a real cop- blabbing about the case to the local teenagers, it will get tossed out as a mistrial or something.  That is if the DA can even put together a case for the grand jury!  

And note to all SW racers- do not box Steve in on the line- he is liable to get nervous and get busy on your arses!! ;D
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Decreasing_Dave on March 01, 2005, 03:33:37 PM
QuoteAnd note to all SW racers- do not box Steve in on the line- he is liable to get nervous and get busy on your arses!! ;D


Awwwww....He ain't so bad.  See you in Phoenix tough guy....

BTW, I'll be towing a 24' enclosed trailer.  I don't need it for my 1 little racebike, but all those weapons take up serious space.  ;D

Besides, you guys better protect yourselves.  There's gangs in the area from what I hear.  The latest is the Westside Hymers.....membership is expanding  :o  :o  :o by the day.  ;D

Dave
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Zac on March 01, 2005, 03:44:39 PM
Elaine's been playing Road Rash on the computer to prepare, so watch out for her swinging the chain around.




On second thought, it would most likely be aimed at me.  :o

-z.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Decreasing_Dave on March 01, 2005, 03:48:19 PM
QuoteOn second thought, it would most likely be aimed at me.  :o

-z.

Why??   She can get you in your sleep.







Have a good night............... ;D

Dave
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: MZGirl on March 01, 2005, 05:56:43 PM
QuoteOn second thought, it would most likely be aimed at me.  :o

Silly boy.  The engine is still out of my MZ.  Now after the bike is running again... :o ;)

Look what Corey started.  The whole SW gang just hijacked this thread.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: norcalboardr on March 01, 2005, 06:17:18 PM
QuoteWell, if the cse is anywhere near as convoluted as this story is, what with sisters calling and my friend that I don't really know saying this, then the stupid school cop- who probably is a real cop- blabbing about the case to the local teenagers, it will get tossed out as a mistrial or something.  That is if the DA can even put together a case for the grand jury!

ah well i only understand part of what you said but ill try to respond. Nicks sister calls my friend who got stabbed all the time to talk about this stuff. Nick also said in an interview with some one (i can't remember who) that my friend and his sister are pretty much dating? I honestly don't understand that one because he rarely wants to awnser her calls. Plus he hardly knows the girl. "My friend i dont really know says this" ? i don't understand that part but show me where i said that if you could and ill explain. The school cop isn't blabbing about this to teenagers, Ive just been close to the victims family for practically my whole life, so the cop is just talking to him and i overhere all this stuff. He isn't walking around telling people just my friend and i happened to be around. Plus the newspaper clearly states he was arrested :) so the cop wasn't bsing any1.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: Baltobuell on March 01, 2005, 09:38:01 PM
Norcal, don't get excited. Just about anything posted will get a rebuttal. Or at least a grammer /spell check. We're a bunch of semi drunkin, bored out of our minds, waiting for spring folks,  trying to amuse ourselves and kill time till then. It ain't nuthin.
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: MZGirl on March 02, 2005, 07:33:46 AM
QuoteBTW, I'll be towing a 24' enclosed trailer.  I don't need it for my 1 little racebike, but all those weapons take up serious space.  ;D

Yeah, but our trailer is the one that says "precision strike" on the side.   ;D ;)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: spyderchick on March 02, 2005, 09:21:04 AM
QuoteYeah, but our trailer is the one that says "precision strike" on the side.   ;D ;)


Is that an invitation or a threat?  :o ;) ;D
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on March 02, 2005, 03:30:25 PM
QuoteIs that an invitation or a threat?  :o ;) ;D
That made me laugh out loud!  Bet they never considered THAT when they named the team! :D
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: norcalboardr on March 02, 2005, 03:48:25 PM
haha thanks Baltobuell im new to this place.. and i just wanted to get some info to you guys and guys gave me crap for it. Im just trying to make sure you dont think im trying to accuse Nick just giving u my info and facts :)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on March 02, 2005, 04:04:50 PM
Quotejust trying to make sure you dont think im trying to accuse Nick just giving u my info and facts :)
Hopefully, an angry mob won't stop by your house with bats and knives because you shared your story here.... :-/
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: norcalboardr on March 02, 2005, 08:38:17 PM
haha yeah thats what i was thinking gotta watch out! :x but all of his supposively friends that we've talked 2 r pissed at this Nick guy for stabbing but i dunno.. if thats just their BS so they dont get introuble lol
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: spyderchick on March 03, 2005, 05:04:25 AM
QuoteThat made me laugh out loud!  Bet they never considered THAT when they named the team! :D


You know, your tag line "hours to build, seconds to destroy..." Reminds me of some of the cooking I've done in that past. Slave in the kitchen all day just to have a hungry pack of wolves grunt in down in an instant.  :o ;) :P
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: L8brake731 on March 04, 2005, 07:17:12 AM
Hey Norcalboarder:

So,,,, How's your friend doing with his healing ???

Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: norcalboardr on March 04, 2005, 05:00:23 PM
Hes actually doing really well with heeling. He gets slight pains once in awile and migranes but other than that he's doing pretty well. Its a tramatic experience it'll take a little while to get over everything but he's doing better. He got some CT scans to check his brain make sure he's doing good and everything so far is working out good. I dont think he can play baseball this year now though, but im not sure. He's lucky the stab marks were on his outter thighs because the inner thighs have major arteries and he could have died or had major problems. As far at the tire iron and pipe and stuff hitting him he just has bruises and bumps nothing major i believe. :)
Title: Re: Young gun uses knife and bat
Post by: K3 Chris Onwiler on March 05, 2005, 03:01:37 AM
If a young person is going to get that beat up, it should at least be from something important, like falling off a motorcycle at high speed! ;D