Kevin how can you do that in the middle of an event. There was nothing in your flier saying the event would change from 55.00 to 85.00 for each event.
This is the worst case of customer service i have ever seen. we are your customers you know!
I hope you guys give this some series consideration.
wiz
>:((Booooooo!! keep jerking us around, there are other racing organizations out there. Most of have already set aside a budget and it's tight as it is, great way to be notified >:(
i pre-reg a while ago, shouldn't there be a cut off date of some kind?
Wait... what???
You sure that's not just the difference in price between pre- and post- registration?
Before we get our panties in a bunch... let's see if CCS can clarify.
i called and spoke with linda, even though i did that last friday and everything was fine, she said i had up to 2 weeks prior to the event.
she said any entry received after feb 1 would have to pay the extra fee because of some $30,000.00 insurance fee they had to pay or some line of bullshit
I JUST spoke with both Tiff AND Linda and they said the fee applied to EVERYBODY.
I thought I was clear at first as I pre-entered before the 1st but Linda said she NEVER said anything like that.
Don't you love this organization?
LOL!
Worst... company... ever...
i just know it pisses me off....
im going to go find someone to fire damit!
ROTFLMAO - Adam - when are you going to learn that threatening to sue is a really bad idea?
About the time he legitimately makes an AMA grid ;)
QuoteROTFLMAO - Adam - when are you going to learn that threatening to sue is a really bad idea?
when's it not allowed and big companies don't take advantage of the little people.
Quotewhen's it not allowed and big companies don't take advantage of the little people.
"Take advantage?" It's racing, not shopping for medicine or food. If you don't like it, don't go. If enough people do that, y'all will be heard. If you're gonna race anyway, drop the drama. It's not endearing you to anyone.
"Little people" with 2 GSXRs. Do you have a clue what real life is like? Find the Christopher Fund thread. ;)
CCS's excess medical insurance policy renews every February 1st. We were notified that the Daytona insurance was going up $30,000 per event, on February 1st. WE recalled the Daytona Mailer from the printer to change the information, and then had it re-printed and sent it out on Saturday.
We notified you as soon as we knew, and have offered to give full refunds to those who wish to withdraw. (No Admin fee, no questions.) We have not charged anyone the new fees yet according to my reports from finance.
I do not like it any more than you do, but even the $30 per additional entry only comes close to the increase, it doesn't completely cover it.
I have no control over how many riders use our EXCESS medical coverage, but the former policy at Daytona was $0 deductible so every scrape and cut seen by a doctor outside the speedway affected the loss ratio.
Quotewhen's it not allowed and big companies don't take advantage of the little people.
So me allowing people to be mean to you was a big company taking advantage of people? After all that's what your gorunds for a suite against WERA was going to be.....
QuoteCCS's excess medical insurance policy renews every February 1st. We were notified that the Daytona insurance was going up $30,000 per event, on February 1st. WE recalled the Daytona Mailer from the printer to change the information, and then had it re-printed and sent it out on Saturday.
We notified you as soon as we knew, and have offered to give full refunds to those who wish to withdraw. (No Admin fee, no questions.) We have not charged anyone the new fees yet according to my reports from finance.
I do not like it any more than you do, but even the $30 per additional entry only comes close to the increase, it doesn't completely cover it.
I have no control over how many riders use our EXCESS medical coverage, but the former policy at Daytona was $0 deductible so every scrape and cut seen by a doctor outside the speedway affected the loss ratio.
Wow. I assume the track requires all this. That's about to kill me - since when do the tracks know more about tkaing care of our riders than we do? Some of the stuff they require is amazing and totally ridiculous for the size businesses we are.
QuoteAbout the time he legitimately makes an AMA grid ;)
Funny for your first post ;D
QuoteSo me allowing people to be mean to you was a big company taking advantage of people? After all that's what your gorunds for a suite against WERA was going to be.....
You don't let anything die, do you? Jeez, give it a rest already.
Nope, never gonna drop it - you have two things in this one that will keep it alive forever - stupidity and a lawsuit threat. I don't like one and I get really pissed when someone tries to threaten the other.
So basically every time you threaten a stupid lawsuit I'll be all over you about it.
QuoteWow. I assume the track requires all this. That's about to kill me - since when do the tracks know more about tkaing care of our riders than we do? Some of the stuff they require is amazing and totally ridiculous for the size businesses we are.
Well, uh, the Speedway, with a capital S, has a whole lot of investment value with events, the NASCAR empire, etc. Uh, yeah, they DO get to dictate certain things.
I think the insurance that I have to pay for putting on a motorcycle school is ridiculous.
Where do we stop? Why are the fees we pay for this that and another so high? Why do jobs need to be our sourced? Insurance costs...
Don't know about your insurance but mine holds the track harlmless, our lawyers cover any lawsuit arising from OUR events at their track. We've never had a track need to do anything with regard to a lawsuit in the past 31 years.
With regard to our excess medical policies - how does that have anything to do with them? Quite simply it doesn't. We're not track days, we're not schools. We're companies that have been doing races for a long enough time to know how to take care of our riders and the tracks dictating our insurance levels is ridiculous, period.
Is that why WERA doesn't do Daytoner or is it that nobody wants to race there? ;)
CCS and Daytona have had a very long relationship...since CCS's inception. And Road Atlanta has played the gracious host for the WERA GNF. And really both organizations try not to step on each other, although, Biketober Fest is really when the ROC is...sometimes that can play a bit of havoc for things.
ya i got the call today about price change
everyone has to pay more
what are you gong to do sh$t happens
hmm just not going., easy... :)
kevin i understand the deal but it doesnt make sense.
i was going to do 5 races now im doing 2. most people i know have said they are just doing less races with the same monety and not adding any anymore loot.
i guess there is no answer other than it sucks for all.
face it Daytona treats us like red head step children. now we have less track time for more money.
We need to take this dog and ponet show to VIR Barber or Homestead.
Ok, where are you going to grid all those people? Didn't they have 1400 entries at Barber? Big paddock, but wasn't there problems getting races done? Big grids need a big track. I haven't seen anyone ever give a good alternative yet.
Extra money for entries...
Ok, it blows. But if you do a job and it cost you X dollars, you'd probably like to at least break even wouldn't you? Businesses aren't charities, not that charities are into loosing money either, but CCE isn't into sponsoring races, they put them on, right? I don't see how it makes CCE a bad company.
Mongo, wouldn't it be great if no one wanted to sue?
So you know, when I started racing WERA in 1987, race fees were $30 for the first race, $20 for the second, and $10 for each one after that. In May of that year, costs went up. I think I have a video tape where I was talking about that. Throw in a few people that put coffee between their legs from McDonalds...
Wanna help? Call you congressman and have them support the legislation that limits how much one can get when someone sues. Oh, yeah, your congressman, or woman, might be a lawyer...hmmmm.
Dave the reason the grids are so big at daytona in the spring is this first race is held during harley bike weeks so everyone from all over the country wants to come down and race. If you held it in mid march at say road atlanta the crowd would be smaller. Barber was crowded in the paddock but the races were fine, execpt for the scoring system crashed on Fri. CCS needs to realize they will get more entries if the price stays lower. This encouages high turn outs which increase revenues. Too high entries encourages low turn outs and low revenues. Just like high taxes reduces revenue to the govt because it slows economic growth. Most people think you can increase fees and the numbers showing up to race will remain the same, not true, some will simply stay at home or race less races. On another note I see CCS has allowed 748 ducatis in F/USA thunderbike but not the 749. Seems like I was right the 748 fits right in that class, remember we talked about that a few months ago. I didnt see if the 748 will be allowed in the regular CCS thunder bike class, anyboby know about that one? :D
Mongo - The track requires it because of it's good neighbor policy with Halifax Hospital.
DIS is as shocked as we are and are trying to get a better deal from their insurance company, but since so many riders used the excess medical instead of their own insurance, it has pushed the loss ratio into the undesirable range.
James - AS far as business goes, CCS was able to hold the line on entry fees for many years because of increased turnouts, so we are very aware of more racers equal more income. With the proliferation of Track Days and "Schools" people don't have to race to get their jollies like they used to, so we are seeing a slow down in new licensees.
Bike Week hurts our racer turnout more than it helps. when the same hotel costs you $50 per night in April instead of $160 per night during Bike Week, it was the #1 reason riders said they didn't come to race at Daytona anymore. (We used to see 1700-1800 entries, now we "only" see 1300-1400.) The ROC suffers the same way, we averaged 400-500 more entries BEFORE Biketoberfest became the second biggest Bike Rally.
We are doing what we can do, what else can I say.
QuoteWe used to see 1700-1800 entries, now we "only" see 1300-1400.)
How can 1300-1400 entries not cover the extra $30k insurance bill?
Lets say 1/4 of those entries are the 'first' entry fee. The $30 price hike for each additional race would bring in over $31k.
Quotei was going to do 5 races now im doing 2. most people i know have said they are just doing less races with the same monety and not adding any anymore loot.
Ditto.
I think I'm just going to run GTU, Team Challenge, and spectate for the rest of the weekend.
QuoteCCS needs to realize they will get more entries if the price stays lower
If that were the case, Blackhawk would have more entries than Road America.
Really, there is a lot happening at Daytona. I never went down because of "Bike Week". I went down to race. It has big entries because people recognize that there are deals to be made, things to work on on the chassis, and the weather might at least be fair. Some people go to race the AMA stuff too.
Reality is that Road America had the highest number of entries in 2001 with like 2025 entries. There was a Daytona, either in 2000 or something around that time, that had entries just under that.
QuoteMost people think you can increase fees and the numbers showing up to race will remain the same, not true, some will simply stay at home or race less races
Well, yeah.
Historically, did you read my posts earlier? Race fees were $30, $20, $10, etc. Now it's $70, $50, $35.
If every event looses money, how do you stay alive?
Each entry has a cost and a rider pays that cost. If what the rider pays is less than the cost...the organization won't exist. Then you can't race, period.
QuoteHow can 1300-1400 entries not cover the extra $30k insurance bill?
Lets say 1/4 of those entries are the 'first' entry fee. The $30 price hike for each additional race would bring in over $31k.
What if the total insurance bill is a total of about $80k alone? Get the picture? Still have to rent the track, pay corner workers, move people, etc.
Expenses go up for everyone. The race organization and the racer.
Every year the race orgs. pay more for track rentals, insurance, ambulance service, corner workers, etc.
Every year racers pay more for entries, tires, fuel, etc.
The race orgs have a way to pass on those extra costs. The racers don't.
Moral of the story....shit rolls down hill folks. When you're at the bottom there isn't much you can do. If you want to race, do it within your budget, or quit.
Nobody is happy with increased costs...nobody. The race orgs. would love to have lower entry fees. It brings in more racers...DUH! but they can't be expected to eat their increased expenses just to be nice guys. Businesses do not survive that way.
I aso agree with Kevin about the track day orgs.
There are so damn many of them now days it's ridiculous. But that begs the question again as to why CCS has Lockhart-Phillips track days run right before or right after their race weekends. It makes no sense to complain about something you are promoting.
i realize the added cost goes somewhere.
welcome to somewhere ;D
it just sucks it happened in the middle of the whole deal.
i do realize ccs is trying so i guess i can just say thank you insurance company and uninsured racers. and it sucks for all!!!
Quotei do realize ccs is trying so i guess i can just say thank you insurance company and uninsured racers. and it sucks for all!!!
weren't you the one who got knocked silly there last Feb? This is all your fault!! :D :D
Guys, it all boils down to 2 things - Lawyers and insurance companies. They have you by your, pardon my french, hairy bean bag and insist on squeezing frequently. It is a simple supply / demand curve... Waaay too many lawyers, not enough cases... what to do? Of course, the option to take your obvious intelligence and branch out until you're needed doesn't occur. Instead, let's beat the ol' sueing war drum... doesn't your neck hurt, "no", no seriously, I mean does your neck HURT "uhh, no", what? impossible.
Insurance companies are just as bad, a tight knit bunch of fat cats. They take $x in from the public and hold it until the public needs some or all of it back. You'd think they'd be content on the interest, but they're not, they also need to middle you on the payout. Frankly, I tired of it and I'm pi$$ed.
As bad as insurance companies are, the real problem is still lawyers. If you do ONE thing this year, call your congressmen / state rep. and tell him / her, you would like to see a "loser pays" system of law. No more idiots getting paid because companies don't want the hassle or expense to fight it. Personal responsibility needs to return to our society, and quick.
- stepping off soap box -
Lawyers and lawsuits are not the only reasons for insurance rates getting hi-jacked. That is a scapegoat answer. The new insurance scams are put on by the insurance companies, in many cases; they may lose big time in a natural disaster, terrorism, or on Wall Street. Then pass the loss on to you and me in rate hikes. It's just the old shell game. Our homeowner's insurance has almost doubled since 9/11. Why? Farmer's lost their ass in New York. Here's another unrelated hike for all you Alliant Energy purchasers.
Some years ago Alliant bought three hydro plants in S America. Part of the purchasing power was stock shares of a company Alliant held. Purchase price for 3 hydro plants; $4 billion. Then 2 things happened-the rivers that the hydro plants were on dried up, and the stock price to be used as cash fell through the floor decreasing Alliant's purchasing power, but the deal had been made already!! Voila!! Alliant petitioned the Public Service Commission for one of the largest rate hikes we've ever seen, just a few years ago. Supposedly to adjust for Natural gas prices, right? Wrong. It was to make up for their losses in S. America, and we'd pay for it.
So while some of our price increases paid are related to litigation, the majority of the actual reasoning probably lies somewhere else in a pile of memos on an exec's desk in New York. The solution lies in searching for another insurance company, plain and simple. Somebody's gotta do some shopping around. Who is it gonna be to shop around? The Speedway itself? CCS? CCE? LP?
How come we don't have more spectators at Daytona? Oh wait, because no one knows about it. I've talked to several people in that area during that time and many are unaware that we are even racing at the track. If CCE is a promotion company, ok a company that "puts the races on" what are they doing to draw more crowds? Wouldn't more crowds equal more money from gate fees? Insert "all of that money goes to the track" here, well then negotiate with the track owners. If we can increase our perceived value as an entertainment aspect then maybe those who were spectators would jump to the racing side. I know the "promotion" aspect starts with the racer but our voice is only so loud when just one person is yelling.
Quoteweren't you the one who got knocked silly there last Feb? This is all your fault!! :D :D
uh i have insurance, and im to stupid to go to the dr
QuoteHow come we don't have more spectators at Daytona
You think most of the people are at Daytona to ride their Fat Boy or to see mc racing...
What, this is the 21st Daytona race for CCS in spring? How many Daytona 200's have there been?
How would you promote it? Could you get a return? Then the racers, like me, are looking for a purse and a hand out to show up to race...
AHRMA....
In the mid-90's when I was racing with AHRMA quite regularly, we out pulled the Daytona 200 one year. I know in like 1996 or 1997, we out pulled the AMA Superbike race the next weekend at Mid-Ohio...Oh, then the AMA got involved and spectating dropped...anyway...
Promote yourself.
Who you trying to get people to see...you? Or the "organization"? Promoting yourself will help the organization and you.
If you were a Packer's fan, you'd want to go see Favre play...not Craig Nall.
Adam - It was a $30,000 INCREASE from last year, so the 700-800 additional entries at $30 more each will raise on an additional $21,000-$24,000 if we are lucky. We are also expecting this increase will do just what Jim said, make riders run 2-3 classes instead of 5-6 and bring the total entry number down. We are hoping to hold onto 700-800 additional entries. (Post entry is traditionally only 75-100 entries total, so those fees are negligible.)
This will be my last post on this, I cannot control the insurance, our only other option was cancel the event and that would not have done anybody any good.
Thanks, Kevin.
Yup, renting the track yourself will certainly give one a different perspective.
And for more of my personal thoughts...
QuoteLawyers and lawsuits are not the only reasons for insurance rates getting hi-jacked. That is a scapegoat answer. The new insurance scams are put on by the insurance companies, in many cases; they may lose big time in a natural disaster, terrorism, or on Wall Street.
Natural disaster hits, and the people that rebuild still have to have liability insurance, pay people, buy tools, supplies, etc. Those things have items in them that are directly affected by lawyers and law suits.
If there weren't all the law suits, prices wouldn't have to increase so much for doing things. Easy one here is this thread.
A natural disaster is easy...
But an old lady puttin' (hot) coffee in her lap...hey, you get burned...not a cash award for being an idiot. It costs someplace.
It think my parents put it to me the best: "Where do you think money comes from? Trees?"
SD, thanks for the history lesson, we seem to be revisiting the past a lot on this board. As for the promotion side of things, I'm open to suggestions. Since the end of last season I have been working with sponsors in order to help support the sport overall. I personally make it a point to not only inform friends and family about upcoming races but any other motorcyclist that I may run into on the street. Yes I do ride a street bike and participate in a lot of the Sunday rides, bike nights and runs to the Broken Oar. I also make sure to a least have some printed materials with me, schedule, stickers or even a pen to write the CCS web site down.
As for the Daytona crowd, it's still Bike Week and that involves all aspects of motorcycles. I will bring the street bikes down again and enjoy the rest of the activities that compose Bike Week. As for the promotion, besides the sign in front of the Speedway there is nothing to even acknowledge that a motorcycle race is kicking off the start of the week. I would gladly post flyers, posters or any other materials that would be available to me prior to the race weekend. I will also have some of my own brochures made up to distribute during that period. If anyone is game and would be willing to help out I'm all for a Pit Bike Run down to main street before we start racing.
Ok I just checked the Daytona Chamber of Commerce web site and we are listed there. As for the Speedway site, nothing just the Supercross and 200.
BTW, Who's a Packer fan on this board...?
QuoteBut an old lady puttin' (hot) coffee in her lap...hey, you get burned...not a cash award for being an idiot.
Add in those two morons who are suing McD's for making them fat. ::)
A burgler who sued a homeowner after the home owners dog bit him?
Stupid cities who are trying to sue firearm manufacturures trying to blame them for teh firearm violence (why stop there, lets blame GM, Ford, DC, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, etc for drink driving deaths).
How about the father that tried to sue a dealership after his 17 yr old kid died on it 2 weeks after he bought it for his son's birthday. Never mind it was his FIRST BIKE and it was either a R1 or CBR929, dont remember which.
I dont know about teh rest of you, but I'm just sick of these dumbass lawsuits from people who wont take responsibility for themselves. >:(
QuoteCCS's excess medical insurance policy renews every February 1st. We were notified that the Daytona insurance was going up $30,000 per event, on February 1st. WE recalled the Daytona Mailer from the printer to change the information, and then had it re-printed and sent it out on Saturday.
We notified you as soon as we knew, and have offered to give full refunds to those who wish to withdraw. (No Admin fee, no questions.) We have not charged anyone the new fees yet according to my reports from finance.
I do not like it any more than you do, but even the $30 per additional entry only comes close to the increase, it doesn't completely cover it.
I have no control over how many riders use our EXCESS medical coverage, but the former policy at Daytona was $0 deductible so every scrape and cut seen by a doctor outside the speedway affected the loss ratio.
Hey Kevin, could we dump the damn place? I would drive right by there (daytona) if there were a race the same weekend at VIR or RA or savannah....or get the point? I not trying to be mean, Just honest.
Bob Shy
I still say it is worth it. It's Daytona. It's bike week. It's racing in the middle of winter when it is freezing up here in the northeast. What more could you ask for. Noone ever said racing was cheap.
Ok, this is a touchy topic, Daytona, so I'll tell a story about what's happening in AHRMA.
First, there are some goofy rule issues.
Second...
Race tracks. Recognize that AHRMA got a good start as a side show at AMA National Superbike events. Eventually, it got big enough on it's own to have it's own events.
One of the cool attractions of AHRMA was having cool tracks on it's schedule.
Racing at the "cool" AMA Superbike tracks can be a way of attracting new riders, or to keep riders, into the organization's base.
I, personally, would just assume that we drive right be Road America. Some people think it's the best thing slnce sliced bread.
However, one must recognize, in AMA Superbike racing, that the Daytona 200 is singlely one of the most recognized events in it's history. What is this, the 64th running of the Daytona 200? Isn't the Daytona 500 in it's like 47th running?
The France family, owners of Daytona and NASCAR, were instrumental in helping CCS come into being. Basically, the CCS season, more or less, uses Daytona to bookmark the season. It has so since 1984 or what ever year it was that Roger formed it all.
Hey, if anyone asks you, "Where do you race?" What do you say?
Second Creek Raceway?
Blackhawk?
Hallett?
You say Daytona to someone's mom, and they will still recognize the name. Laguna may be cool, but it's not as well recognized as Daytona.
[quote author=Super_Dave
One of the cool attractions of AHRMA was having cool tracks on it's schedule.
Yea and AHRMA goes to Carolina Motorsports park which CCS use to do but doesnt anymore. CCS took a poll a few years ago and asked SE riders which track they liked the least and CMP won. I dont think CCS asked in their poll if it should be dropped as well. Some SE riders might not like the track but they didnt wont it dropped. How about another poll if CMP should be added back to the schedule?? CCS also should see there are other organazations to race with. I might go AHRMA or WERA racing this year instead of CCS and bring my racer friends with me. AHRMA has cash payouts for all of the twins classes too!! ;D
QuoteHey, if anyone asks you, "Where do you race?" What do you say?
Second Creek Raceway?
Blackhawk?
Hallett?
You say Daytona to someone's mom, and they will still recognize the name. Laguna may be cool, but it's not as well recognized as Daytona.
The only names that ARE recogized are NASCAR tracks. Sure, I say Daytona, but Loudon gets as much recognition up here. Anywhere else I don't bother with track names, I just name the state--Virginai, Ohio, Atlanta, etc
Dave has a good point. If you say Loudon here in Phoenix to some Neckcar yokle, he will drool and just take another swig from his PBR. If you mention you are going to Daytona, he'll offer to get the Bitchin' Camaro of the blocks and drive you there.
As far as promotion and CCE- CCE could give a rat's ass about CCS. CCM (Clear Channel Motorsports) whois really in charge has tried to lobby for more promo cash to no avail. The bean counters just can't justify a $1000 radio spot to get 15 people to show up (at $25 eash that is only $375). That is what radio costs in a major market for a slot not played during the Art Bell show at 2am.
I think the ads must come (and many racers also realize this and are willing to help) from the racers at the grassroots level. JUst don't give out the CCS website or they will be trying to attend last years schedule!! :o
two years ago my g/f's father lent me his motorhome JUST so he could say he drove into the NHIS paddock :D
He took pictures and shows them to all his friends.
He damn near had a heart attack when I showed him pics of us at Daytona.
kevin and dave, thanks for your comments. even though it sucks (and it sucks for all involved) i do understand, that does not make me happy, but as kevin said it was better than cancling the event
QuoteI just name the state--Virginai, Ohio, Atlanta, etc
;DAnd do people ever look at you funny when you tell them that you are racing in the great state of Atlanta ;D
You can smack me in Daytona for that one, I told Wiz that I would lend you a hand if you need it, I couldn't find you in VIR.
Quote;DAnd do people ever look at you funny when you tell them that you are racing in the great state of Atlanta ;D
You can smack me in Daytona for that one, I told Wiz that I would lend you a hand if you need it, I couldn't find you in VIR.
???
QuoteAdd in those two morons who are suing McD's for making them fat. ::)
A burgler who sued a homeowner after the home owners dog bit him?
Stupid cities who are trying to sue firearm manufacturures trying to blame them for teh firearm violence (why stop there, lets blame GM, Ford, DC, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, etc for drink driving deaths).
I dont know about teh rest of you, but I'm just sick of these dumbass lawsuits from people who wont take responsibility for themselves. >:(
Yeah, I'm sick of the frivolous lawsuits too. However, in the McD's case nobody was awarded money. We hear about the case being filed and the amount being asked for, that's it. McD's won both those suits by the coffee lady and the fat kids. People DO need to start taking responsibility. It sounds like CCS has no control over the insurance carrier for DIS. Who here knows about insurance policies for such events? What insurance company can we refer to DIS for such an event? I'm sure DIS would be interested in saving some money too.
I guess there is one other question here to ask; Why are the racers picking up the whole increase? Has anyone in CCS/CCE ever thought about selling the TV rights for these events to say Dorna, and defraying ALOT of the costs. (Yeah, that's a kind of hair-brained example, but ...) just one idea. The Europeans LOVE motorcycle racing and they might pay to watch goofy American amateurs run around our bigger tracks.
Here's an additional concern; What if this is a pilot to see how many racers show up? If enough people show up to pay the increase you know what will happen-the increases will be phased in everywhere. I don't race enough for this to have much affect on our budget. You guys running for Champioships in the 4000-6000 points arena should be putting your heads together on this one.
You are so wrong! We are not increasing fees for all races, nor are we using this as a test. You're crazy if you think we'd do this for sport.
P.S.--You don't sell rights for television, you PAY to have the event shown. It would cost more to sell the rights than to run the race for a week.
QuoteMcD's won both those suits by the coffee lady and the fat kids. People DO need to start taking responsibility.
Actually that coffee lady got $5Mil;D
Quote Here's an additional concern; What if this is a pilot to see how many racers show up? If enough people show up to pay the increase you know what will happen-the increases will be phased in everywhere. I don't race enough for this to have much affect on our budget. You guys running for Champioships in the 4000-6000 points arena should be putting your heads together on this one.
Well for one thing, if this gets as pricey as running a SCCA race, I'd be thinking of just going back to cars. :D
QuoteYou are so wrong! We are not increasing fees for all races, nor are we using this as a test. You're crazy if you think we'd do this for sport.
P.S.--You don't sell rights for television, you PAY to have the event shown. It would cost more to sell the rights than to run the race for a week.
Whoa, whoa. Time out. I did not say all fees were being increased, across the board. I said it was a POSSIBILITY. Being a business is to be in it for money, right? Not for sport. I did not flippantly say YOU were doing this for fun.
However, I believe you do sell rights if you have a buyer. For example, XM satellite radio bought the airtime rights for major league baseball, for the next 10 years, for something in the $700 million area. XM beat Sirius to the punch and won the contract. What we need is a buyer. The buyer certainly is not here in the US as NASCAR reigns supreme. It is an idea to throw around, that's all. ( I understand we don't compare to MLB and it's marketability, just an example.)
Just a step in the direction of helping us all out; racers pay less of the increase, increase the cash flow to CCS, take the heat off Ft. Worth offices. My apologies Tiffiney as I'm not slinging mud your way. As the folks who are forking out major cash we need to discuss this. It is clear that DIS is the culprit and not CCS, as the title wrongly implies. What is DIS's stance on this matter? Are they willing to shop around for a better carrier? Who is their insurance carrier now? I'll dig into it myself if nobody else wants to.
Hey Rob, are you gonna race this year? The 5 mil was the initial award. Award was appealed down to the $200-300k level. WAY too much for some coffee.
AMA Superbike has to buy their time...
The lady might have got $200k, but you've got to pay your legal team...and increased premiums.
And someone has to pay for it. Certainly not the victim.
Well if this is more about a lawsuit against McD's, and who is right about TV rights, rather than looking for a solution, I'll stay out of it. I'm wrong. :-X
Doesn't WERA sell their GNF footage rights to Suzuki who in turns it into a big commercial on ESPN?
I'm sure Suzuki pays WERA for the track time. I'd bet that Suzuki is buying the time. WERA is the recipient of the pr, along with Suzuki.
Sean? Elaborate?
But it might be confidential.
Quote Hey Rob, are you gonna race this year? The 5 mil was the initial award. Award was appealed down to the $200-300k level. WAY too much for some coffee.
Want to. Hell even trying to get the YZF750 ready but as per norms with me, nothing goes right.