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auctions very interesting?

Dawn   :)

I do.  I was watching a thing last night on Discovery HD about the auctions, and then the whole Pebble Beach thing, ect.  Also about DuPont and company.  Pretty cool stuff  8)  

as far as interesting... sure.  Think about this, a car that was sold for $3,000.00 back in the 50's is now worth $3,000,000.00  :o

Dang!  Leave for an hour and I missed it.  

TiVo  ;D

Wanna see the really crazy stuff, watch a Dupont Registry Auction.  That's the really, really, high $ stuff and originals.  The had a 1969 Chevrolet Super Yenko Camaro 427 that was 100% original with 1000 original miles on the odometer.  The car sold by original owner at a Dupont Auction for $5.4 milllion and it was not a restore.  

www.dupontregistry.com

I'm really tired of seeing the Corvettes cross the block....

I bet the Chevy guy's heads are spinning with the price that Mopar is fetching.   ;D  That red 70 Hemi Cuda was sweeeeet.  That and that 71 custom Mustang with the 502 crate motor....  that is one car that I would LOVE have.

I like the old Ferrari's and such.  I also like the old Austin's and the Bently's  8)

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I really liked 'Elenore' but here's a bit of a twist to it....  71 Mustang (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=178474)

I want a Ferrari Daytona California Spyder.  I'd even settle for a Corvette kit car clone of a Daytona Spider.

1962 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Scaglietti Spyder


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Now you're just getting greedy. ;D

Hey!  I was in mourning for months after that Bolivian arms dealer shot Crockett's Pseudo Spyder with a LAW rocket.  In fact, I'm still in mourning!  That was the coolest car ever.

GT40

Never was the ego of a man ever manifested so well into a car.  Some may not understand...

The new Ford GT does it justice.  My wife said I could buy one, when the price was going to be $125k, which was a huge bargain, but I had to sell all my motorcycle stuff and quit racing.  Smart lady, eh?  

I watch it all the time since we own a few old cars 55 Nomad that we did a frame off and street rodded it full corvette drivetrain and Susp. Also have 63 Nova SS. A few of my customers that i restore cars for told me that Chryslers would be bringing big bucks!!!

QuoteGT40

Never was the ego of a man ever manifested so well into a car.  Some may not understand...

The new Ford GT does it justice.  My wife said I could buy one, when the price was going to be $125k, which was a huge bargain, but I had to sell all my motorcycle stuff and quit racing.  Smart lady, eh?  

the original GT40 was SOOOOOOOOOOO far ahead of it's time...proven by the fact that the new GT doesn't look like a retro car.  the damn thing is 40 years old and still looks like a future concept.

I had the great fortune to be at a vintage event at Watkins Glen years ago where the GT40 was the featured car.  there were like 30 of them there.  street cars, race cars...awesome.  the highlight for me was the race.  vintage car racing is a different world.  hired drivers, guys watching their car race from their fancy french helicopter.  each of the cars worth millions and they are trading paint and go off into the grass (and have you seen the Armco at the Glen?).

they all sounded great...the high revving of the 289's...but the roar of the 427's was what raised the hair on my neck.  just AWESOME.

and back on topic, I can't believe that Olds prototype went for 3 mil...rip off.  how many other bad ass cars would you buy instead?

the car of the auction for me was the WhattheHaye by Boyd Coddington...Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...for a cool $505K!

GT40  :-/

I'll repeat:  1962 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Scaglietti Spyder  

Now that car was an awesome example of engineering at it's finest.  

QuoteGT40  :-/

I'll repeat:  1962 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Scaglietti Spyder  

Now that car was an awesome example of engineering at it's finest.  

Didn't you recently say the first real Ferrari was the 1984 288 GTO?  Now you're trying to pretend you know classic Ferraris.   ::) Dan, you're priceless.  ;D

Quotethe car of the auction for me was the WhattheHaye by Boyd Coddington...Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...for a cool $505K!

That car was sweeeeet.  

So much better that that 'alumi-tub' I watched that car being built and I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.

Dawn   :)

QuoteDidn't you recently say the first real Ferrari was the 1984 288 GTO?  Now you're trying to pretend you know classic Ferraris.   ::) Dan, you're priceless.  ;D

For Ferrari, the broke new ground with the 288, but that wasn't the greatest Ferrari of all time.  If you can find the 250 GT, chances are you won't be able to buy it without some really serious $.  Therefore, I'll take a 288   ;D

and as far as me knowing about "Classic Ferrari's," I don't.  I do however know which ones I want.  That's all I care about.  Screw what some other guys has  ;)

If I get that kind of coin, you'll see a 250 GT parked right next to my daily beater, the M6  ;) ;D

Dan, it's a long jump from a leased Jeep to a Ferrari anything, especially for a guy who can't even seem to make it to the racetrack with a simple, 5K motorcycle and a $200 entry fee.  
As long as we're talking about cars we'll never be able to afford, make mine one of the road legal Porsche 917 Lemans short tail coupes.
Can you picture the look on the state trooper's face as you zip by at a radar indicated 247 mph, trailed by that ripping, unmuffled flat-12 scream?
Ooooooooooohhhh!!!!!! 8)

QuoteDan, it's a long jump from a leased Jeep to a Ferrari anything, especially for a guy who can't even seem to make it to the racetrack with a simple, 5K motorcycle and a $200 entry fee.

$5k motorcycle  ???  Uhm... yeah, $5K in bolt on's maybe.  I've always had an Italian Twin or a new Jap bike I flipped and rode for a weekend. But, regarding "showing up" to the race track, this year was hard because of work.  Work and family come over play time.  I got married this year, and missed half the year because of that.  The year before, I was at the track every weekend.
  
As far as leasing, even if I could afford any car I ever wanted, I'd still lease it.  My Jeep is still a high line car.  I could've gotten a Benz or a BMW instead.  Hell anything if I wanted to for what the payment is on the Jeep.  I could've gotten a C6 Vetter, or a new 5 Series BMW for the same lease cost.
I'd lease a Ferrari, Lambo, ect.   I wouldn't buy it unless it was a collection car. Now, the 250 GT I'd buy.  But, a new exotic, I'd lease.  That way you pay for what you use, and then get another after a couple years.  Nowaday's the cost of a car doesn't justify the purchase of it.  There isn't a car out there that is worth buying unless your going to drive it for 300K miles.  Hell, a Dodge Neon costs $20K now.  I haven't kept a car more than 3 years, so now I just lease them.  My brother is in a bad situation now.  He bought a Jeep Cherokee Limited V-8 back in 2003 brand new.  Right now, it has 80k miles on it.  It needs about $2K in repair.  He got an average interest loan, and he owes $7K more than it's blue book value, so he's stuck with it.   I'm not putting myself in that position.  I won't keep a car any longer than it's warranty period.  I'll lease it for 2 years, 30k miles, and go get another one.   That way, I'm not spending $ on maintance.  The average break even time frame on a new car is 6 years with the cost of cars now.  I'm not gonna get stuck with something I owe more on than it's worth.

Talktalktalktalktalktalk.  Yeah, Dan.  I'd have a torrid, passionate affair with Lauren Bacall when she was 19 and starring with Humphry Bogart.  Except that it's NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!

Sort of like you buying or even leasing a Ferrari.

A man of admittedly low ability like yourself could easily find any number of excellent, 5K bikes right here on the CCS board.  Any of these bikes would be capable of turning way better lap times than you could, as you have said yourself.  The extra 15K difference between this option and an Italian bike with full bling would buy you more entry fees and tires than most of us could ever dream of.  But, like my affair with Lauren Bacall or your Ferrari, IT AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!

According to you, you rent Macinaw Island for a bachelor party, lease a McLaren for a quick drive to the 7-11, or buy an ex-Rossi GP bike to run track days.  But for all your purported money and passion for this sport, you can't buy a used, race-prepped R6, and show up for one lousy track day.

Talktalktalktalktalktalktalktalk.

In High School, there were athletes.  Then there were guys who worked with the team as gofers, tapers, bat boys, or whatever.  The school called them assistant trainers.  We students called them athletic supporters.

Either buy a bike and go racing, or shut up and go away.  You don't have to be fast.  You don't even need to win a trophy.  Just show up and race.  This board is for racers, not dreamers.

Umm, Dan:

1) If you can't afford an AMG, a GTO is so far out of your price range it's ridiculous.

2) You would only buy a 250 GT? Well, duh, do you know anybody leasing one?  ;D

3) If you think leasing is a better deal, once again you need someone to explain basic finance to you.  I hope "your company" doesn't allow you anywhere near the money.  If they do, are they publicly traded?  I want to short that stock.  ;D

Anyway, I'm more excited about modern cars but I would gladly accept a 427 Cobra.  I actually don't care much for old Ferraris (but I know their value).  Porsche 917 is cool but I prefer wings on my airplanes.  :)

QuoteTalktalktalktalktalktalk.  Yeah, Dan.  I'd have a torrid, passionate affair with Lauren Bacall when she was 19 and starring with Humphry Bogart.  Except that it's NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!

Sort of like you buying or even leasing a Ferrari.

A man of admittedly low ability like yourself could easily find any number of excellent, 5K bikes right here on the CCS board.  Any of these bikes would be capable of turning way better lap times than you could, as you have said yourself.  The extra 15K difference between this option and an Italian bike with full bling would buy you more entry fees and tires than most of us could ever dream of.  But, like my affair with Lauren Bacall or your Ferrari, IT AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!

According to you, you rent Macinaw Island for a bachelor party, lease a McLaren for a quick drive to the 7-11, or buy an ex-Rossi GP bike to run track days.  But for all your purported money and passion for this sport, you can't buy a used, race-prepped R6, and show up for one lousy track day.

Talktalktalktalktalktalktalktalk.

In High School, there were athletes.  Then there were guys who worked with the team as gofers, tapers, bat boys, or whatever.  The school called them assistant trainers.  We students called them athletic supporters.

Either buy a bike and go racing, or shut up and go away.  You don't have to be fast.  You don't even need to win a trophy.  Just show up and race.  This board is for racers, not dreamers.

Hey Chris, what makes you think I want an R6, or a GSXR, or any of those bikes  ???  I've had them, and the ONLY reason I bought them was to sell them for profit.   Nothing more.   I don't like I-4's.  I prefer V-Twins.  It's all preference, that's all.  See, you've known me for let's say a year, but only on the BBS.  It just happens to be the most busiest year of my life.  I got married, had a huge happening with work, and also had family pass away.  So, sorry that I couldn't show up every weekend, but I did manage to still do one race weekend, and two track weekends.  Keep in mind that I didn't go near a track until after my wedding in mid-June because the wife didn't want to take any chances of injury for the wedding.  But, in 2003, I spent more time at the race track than you did.  Yeah, I wasn't racing, but so what.  I still probably spent more if not double the time than most of you did at the track.  I was at a track day every weekend learning to ride so I could race.  But, this year, it's on.  I've made time by moving everything around so I can race, and do track days.  

QuoteUmm, Dan:

1) If you can't afford an AMG, a GTO is so far out of your price range it's ridiculous.

2) You would only buy a 250 GT? Well, duh, do you know anybody leasing one?  ;D

3) If you think leasing is a better deal, once again you need someone to explain basic finance to you.  I hope "your company" doesn't allow you anywhere near the money.  If they do, are they publicly traded?  I want to short that stock.  ;D

Anyway, I'm more excited about modern cars but I would gladly accept a 427 Cobra.  I actually don't care much for old Ferraris (but I know their value).  Porsche 917 is cool but I prefer wings on my airplanes.  :)

Is that so?  Tell me Papa, my two current car payments for the Pacifica and the Jeep add up to  $1050.83 a month, not including insurance and such.  Why is an AMG out of my range again?  Now, you said AMG, not SL65.  Furthermore, think of how many cars I could've gotten for what my Jeep alone lease cost is.  My Jeep is $607.00 a month.  For that, I could've gotten:

Audi S4, A4, A6.
BMW 5 series or M3
MB E Class, M Class, C Class
C6 Vette, Escalade, Navigator, ect.

That being said, why would I get the Jeep?  Cause it's bad ass, and it can pull a trailer filled with bikes to the racetrack :D

As far as leasing being better.. for Dan, it is.  I don't keep vehicles more than the warranty, therefore unless I put damn near half the cost of the vehicle down when I buy, I will lose my ass when I trade it in.  Even then, I lost my entire down payment.  With my Jeep, I put $0.00 down. Nothing.  Sign and drive.  My only downpayment was all the rebates.  Nothing more.  I don't put any cash down for anything that has 4 wheels.   ;)  If I would've bought my Jeep, at 0% interest, my payment would be $716.66 a month for 5 YEARS.  How much is my Jeep going to be worth in 5 years with 100K on it.  Maybe $8K.  Maybe.  

When it comes to exotics, the basic Ferrari's, Lambo's ect. should you afford one, are nothing than money  pits.  Expensive to buy, insure, drive, and maintain.  Therefore, regardless if you buy, or lease, you still lose your ass, but when you have that kind of money, it only comes down to how much your going to lose buying vs. leasing, because you can't win.  

If I would've put $3K down, I could be driving a new BMW 745 for what I'm paying for the Jeep.  I priced it out.  

QuoteIs that so?  Tell me Papa, my two current car payments for the Pacifica and the Jeep add up to  $1050.83 a month, not including insurance and such.  Why is an AMG out of my range again?  Now, you said AMG, not SL65.  Furthermore, think of how many cars I could've gotten for what my Jeep alone lease cost is.  My Jeep is $607.00 a month.  For that, I could've gotten:

Audi S4, A4, A6.
BMW 5 series or M3
MB E Class, M Class, C Class
C6 Vette, Escalade, Navigator, ect.  

Cut the crap, you said you wanted a SL/CL 65.  I say that ain't happening.

I'll drop the leasing/financing argument: I won't try to explain discounted cash flows to you.

As cool as it is to watch on T.V. it is a million times better in person. I was lucky enough to work at the auction last year and had access to everything.... There is nothing like getting the chance to actually see up close and personal a car that just sold for over $200,000. There was a old gull wing mercedes that sold for HUGE money that people were climbing in and out of as if they were at the car dealership. I felt sorry for the new owner. I am sure he had no idea what his new purchase was going through........

2005 Mercedes Benz SL65 AMG

M.S.R.P.*        $179,720.00
Exterior Color  (Metallic paints are standard for this model.)
Black       $0.00
Interior Color
Charcoal/ Charcoal Leather       $0.00
Wood Trims
Burl Walnut Trim       $0.00
Options
Black Nappa Leather         $3,750.00
Distronic         $3,070.00
Keyless Go         $1,060.00
Panorama Roof w/Sunshade         $1,880.00
Parktronic         $1,080.00
Tire-Pressure Monitoring System         $660.00
Gas Guzzler Tax       $3,000.00
Total       $194,220.00
 

Downpayment                          $70,000.00
Finance (monthly payment)       $3,141.00
Lease (monthly payment)       $602.00
24 months/15,000 mi/yr


 ;D 8)

Someone wanna loan me $70k for the downpayment  :P

QuoteCut the crap, you said you wanted a SL/CL 65.  I say that ain't happening.

I'll drop the leasing/financing argument: I won't try to explain discounted cash flows to you.

I just need to sell all the bikes, and get rid of the Jeep and Pacifica, cash out my retirement fund, the kids college fund, and I could get the SL65 tomorrow.    ;D :P

or, I could wait until May and see what my profit sharing check adds up to  ;) 8)

QuoteHey Chris, ...  But, in 2003, I spent more time at the race track than you did.  

I'd be hard pressed to find someone who wasn't an instructor  or Control rider who spent MORE time at the track than K3. This guy lives, breathes, eats, sleeps and pisses racing.

BTW...the $3,000,000 record breaking car was the Oldsmobile F-88 concept car...one of one, and it will go to the Gateway Auto Museum currently being build in western Colorodo by the guy who owns the Discovery channel.

I thought the car was special when it rolled up, but had no idea it was that special. Very, very cool car.

1988 Honda Accord.

Two door hatch back with flip up lights.

Automatic, with heat.

Uses so much oil, I don't have to change it; I can put my waste diesel engine oil through it.

$250 down, no more payments.

Go race.



GT40

Ford

Ain't no sportscar companay, and certainly didn't have business beating everyone.  It was about anger, ego, and a V8.


Vintage racing...as a hired guy...LOL...

Yeah, I know the drill.

When I started vintage racing for this guy, we had a big combined event at Blackhawk Farms.  Vintage bikes, cars, and airplanes.


This was a real sight....


Someone trailered their GT40 street car.  There were a handful made and they only had 289's, but it wasn't a kit car.  It was the real deal.

Preferences run deep for individuals.  I'm an American Motors fan myself.  Had a few.  I like Dodge Chargers from the late 60's.  Ferrari's are nice.  It's limited production though so, for $600k, you'd better be getting something.  If you could find a dealer that hasn't already ordered their GT from Ford, you're probably gonna drop $250k.  That' a pretty darn good deal for a real supercar that has history too.  

Bikes?  Twins?  Hey, you want to sell it...those H-D things are supposed to have that...

Goes back to this little story.

I was in college, had my GSXR750 and I was almost starting my racing career.  I had the lucky opportunity to buy a 1969 AMX from a guy that was the second owner.  He had it for many years, and it was cool.  But it wasn't completely original for this reason...

"Dave I own and fix this car so I can drive it.  Let the other guys trailer their cars and talk about having the original kleenex box for the car."

I don't have much use for street bikes.  Some might.  I have bikes to race, not for resale.  All about perspective.

Sold the AMX, for a profit, which was nice.  Took some of that money and bought a TZ250.

Cars...




My wife's grandpa was driving until recently.  He's 91 and has Alzeimers.  So, now her grandma at 88 or something, who hasn't driven in like fifty years, is driving.


Cars...


Well, they are pretty simple.  Each to his own, but I like bikes.  I race bikes.  Do what you want, buy what you will...


You have to make decisions.


How much have you spent?


Isn't that kind of like that parable Jesus told...

All these well dressed men put their alms in the containers.  Gold pieces and the like.  An old woman came in and put a very weathered small coin into the container.  And Jesus asked, "Who gave more?"  

The answer came that it was the men that gave gold.  Jesus corrected that it was the woman as she gave everything she had...

And so...

If you've got the bank to buy some expensive cars...

Don't bother with dispensing about how hard it is to get to the race track...

Got to make desicions.

QuoteI'd be hard pressed to find someone who wasn't an instructor  or Control rider who spent MORE time at the track than K3. This guy lives, breathes, eats, sleeps and pisses racing.

I did 21 or 22 track days in 2003.  Went to every Sportbike Track Time event at Gingerman and Grattan. Then, went down to FL for Jennings.  Did 2 race weekends with Fasttrax.  So, I was RIDING at that track for 22 or 23 different days total.  At one point.  We did a 3 day Sportbike tracktime weekend (think it was the 4th of July at Grattan), and then went to an LED on Monday.  

That's a whole lotta time at the racetrack in one season.  Add maintance to 2 Ducati's, and an Aprilia, along with tires, gas, and hotel rooms because we don't camp.  That was one expesive season.  Really expensive.  How many race weekends in a year for one region again?

QuoteI just need to sell all the bikes,...

Which bikes would those be?

QuoteThat' a pretty darn good deal for a real supercar that has history too.

The new GT?  What history?

Ford GT is a piece of crap.  I"d take a Bentlly, Lambo, Ferrari, RS6, SL65, E55, and a ton of other cars over that turd.  In a synopsis......

IT'S A FORD !

You can spray cologne on a turd, shine it all up, but when it comes down to it...  IT'S STILL A TURD.

Ford wants to impress me, do something about that new POS Mustang GT and Cobra.  What generation Mustang is this now?  STILL only 300 HP.  Yeah, a real muscle car.  My Jeep has more HP and Torque than the "American Muscle Car."  American muscle car my ass...  ::)  

Jeep: 330 HP/ 375 Tq.
Mustang GT: 300 HP/ 320 Tq.

That's pretty sorry...   No wonder Ford is going down the toilet.   Ontop of that, most of the new "performance" Jap cars will stomp a mudhole in the mustangs ass for the same price, or less, and actually have better reliability and warranty  ::)   Damn Dodge Neon's are making 230 HP and 250 ft. lbs. of torque and it's half the displacement of the Mustang...

QuoteWhich bikes would those be?

Mille, and Ducati and soon a Tuono if I can get the $ deal down with the seller.

Hey Papa, have you ever seen the pics of my bikes ?  The one's I sold?

QuoteGT40  :-/

I'll repeat:  1962 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Scaglietti Spyder  

Now that car was an awesome example of engineering at it's finest.  

Not sure I'd call a car with a live rear axle an example of engineering at it's finest. :D

QuoteNot sure I'd call a car with a live rear axle an example of engineering at it's finest. :D

Yeah, but how many were made, and look at the performance for that time...,,    

How much did that car go for new  ???

Talktalktalktalktalktalktalktalk.
I won't give you my pedigree, Dan.  It would just depress you.  But Alexa was right.

I've done quite a lot with very little.  There were no excuses.  "I need to eat," or "I need to sleep, " would have been unacceptable excuses in my heyday.  Been there, done that, went back, did it all again.  Now I coach a lot, race a little.

Dan, if I had your purported income, I'd be sporting the #1 plate on my bike for sure.  I'd have 2 each of SV650s, GSXR600s and GSXR1000s.  An A bike and a B bike for every class CCS runs.  Then I'd enter every race, always with fresh rubber and VP fuel.

You, on the other hand, just talktalktalktalktalktalk.

I think we should pit together Chris.  ;D   Let's see how much of Dan you can take in one season, and then we'll see what you say about how much time I'm at the race track...   ;D ;D ;D

Deal  ???

Chris, have you ever ridden a Duacti 749/999 or an Aprilia Mille ?

I even pushed a customers project way forward so we could get it done before track season start  :D  We moved a project that was supposed to start in May, to November of last year so we could have it done by the end of Feb. and we're ahead of schedule  :D

QuoteFord GT is a piece of crap.  I"d take a Bentlly, Lambo, Ferrari, RS6, SL65, E55, and a ton of other cars over that turd.  In a synopsis......

IT'S A FORD !

You can spray cologne on a turd, shine it all up, but when it comes down to it...  IT'S STILL A TURD.

LOL...

You'll never drive one...

Motor trend put it this way...

"Ford proves it can build a Ferrari beater - again."

Not sure where the Mustang fits in this guys...

Axles?  All about cost.  HP?  Still comes back to weight.  If it were just about HP, then it would be over.  Not sure what the point is...

I think they will sell cars, Ford, Jeep, and Ferrari.

GT history...it looks like a GT40.  The new Mr Ford recognized that Ford used to be a world class car manufacturer.  There have been some dark days.  The current GT relives a lot of what was.  Back to the Motortrend statement above.  The GT isn't a Corvette or a Viper.  It's above that kind of car.  And Mustangs are mass produced cars for normal people.  Hey, for less than $30k, you can have a Mustang GT.  That's $14k less than a Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD.  


Cherokee's aren't don't have any size or girth of the original Cherokee's.  Yeah, there's reason's for that, too.  But...


As for track time...  

Not sure what you're trying to say here.

You can track ride all day long.  Neat accomplishments.  Kind of like internet porn though;  "a bit cold and insensivie", as Malcom McDowell said on A Clockwork Orange.

Don't really have winners, loosers, or champions there.

Nor are there the highs, lows, and crushing defeats...Reality is that if you're gonna really go after a championship or try to make that race, there are sacrifices above regular life.  

K3...cue the dangling rod story...

Race weekends in one region?  Really depends.  Ten to fourteen weekends.  That's 20 to 28 days.  But that's under duress and abuse.  Times do matter.  Sometimes, you actually go and do a practice day.  

Again, I'm not sure what your point is...

Back in the day...I had an AMC Gremlin X with the 304 in it...talk about a sleeper. Problem was you could loop that car on even a drizzle of rain. Too much torque. The beauty of cars come from the styling, performance balance and suspension. You also have to factor in the purpose of the car or truck and what market it is aimed at.

My dream vintage car... 1961 Jaguar XKE...fully restored, red w/ Black. I know it's a Jag...I know they are tempermental, but they were beautiful for their day.

Dream late model car...McClaren Supercar

Fun personal daily driver...2005 Mercedes SLK350
Reasonalbly affordable ride...2005 Nissan 350Z
Most likely to buy...newer Hyundai Tiburon V6

I own the Bike I want to own,,,which is a 2001 Championship edition Yamaha R6. I think they're sexy, and a 600 is a 600 for the street, so get the one with the styling that floats your boat.

I really think that cars are rolling art. I might never get to own my favorites, but I feel privildged to occasionally get to drive something cool or vintage. As long as I can afford something to get me reliably from point A to point B...I'm happy. I like my Mazda Mx6 so much I'm thinking about dropping a new engine and tranny in it, just because the styling is so nice.

So good on the peeps who can afford the cool stuff...it give us something to dream about.

QuoteI think we should pit together Chris.  ;D   Let's see how much of Dan you can take in one season, and then we'll see what you say about how much time I'm at the race track...   ;D ;D ;D

Deal  ???

OoooooooOOOooOoOooo ;D
K3...you just been served...  ;D

Somehow I don't think Dan would last an hour in your pits... :o ::) ;) ;D

Accomplishments are what the person makes of them.  For me, I could care less about a plaque, championship, or any of that crap.  I'm not fast enough, talented enough, nor will I ever be.  I'm not trying to be a professional motorcycle racer, nor have I ever.  I do it because I love motorcycles and speed.  The green and checkered flags are a bonus, but in all reality, I'm just as happy at a track day.  Just because I don't race every round doesn't mean that I don't spend as much time doing what I love, nor does it mean that I'm less dedicated to the sport.  I have my way of dedication, and it's to my happiness.   I could care less about anything else.  I do it becuase I love doing it.  

That's my point.  

QuoteHey Papa, have you ever seen the pics of my bikes ?  The one's I sold?

No.  I wouldn't believe you anyway.  :)

QuoteChris, have you ever ridden a Duacti 749/999 or an Aprilia Mille ?

Ooo, Oooo, I have....

But only on the race track!

Still have two wheels.

Ever ride a factory CR450?  How about a CR750?  GP bikes?

Those still have two wheels too.




Now, Dan...

...be careful...

K3 shows up a lot.  And he's had to pit with people that have let him down at times, but he always carries himself through.  And others.  I've been the gracious recipient of his help.  

If you think you're gonna see if he can put up with you, you're gonna have to be there.

Been around this block that I know there's only one type of person at the race track...the one's that show up.  Anything less...well, either you're not there or you are somewhere else.  And the ones that show up...well, we're in the minority.

QuoteChris, have you ever ridden a Duacti 749/999 or an Aprilia Mille ?

Ménage e Tuono!  
        
                Getting intimate with Italian Twins

                         By "K3" Chris Onwiler

Vivid fall foliage streaks by in a red-orange blur.  Sunshine pours like liquid honey from a painfully blue sky.  Crisp, cold air knifes through the perforations in my leather suit as I hurl through this perfect Michigan autumn afternoon, swept forward on the crest of an immense wave of torque.  An orchestra of glorious, penetrating, purely Basso Profundo sound swells and ebbs, artfully conducted by my right wrist.  Bellowing into my helmet at the top of my lungs, I'm lustily murdering the lyrics to every snatch of Italian Opera that I can remember.
Italian bikes are expensive, quirky, and not especially fast, right?  I mean, they look pretty, but you can buy most any Japanese bike for less money, and you'll often get a faster machine in the bargain.  Who in their right mind would actually pay a premium price just to choose pasta over sushi?  This has always been my attitude regarding the two-wheeled jewelry produced by the motorcycle manufacturers of Italy.  Of course I'd never actually ridden an Italian stallion before, but I figured that the spec sheets told me everything I needed to know.  To me, Italian bikes were about nothing more than exclusitivity and hype.  I was unimpressed.  Then I met the Aprilia twins.
      It was the first weekend of October, and I was riding a track day with Sportbike Track Time at Gingerman Raceway in South Haven, Michigan.  STT maintains a fleet of Aprilia demo bikes, so I figured that this would be an outstanding opportunity to test some tasty Italian machinery.  I didn't figure on having my heart stolen in the process.
      My first date was with the RSV1000R.  She used to be called Mille, but I guess she figured that a letter designation had that cutting-edge sound.  Whatever you call her, this girl is gorgeous!  Beautifully sculpted frame rails support a fuel tank that should be displayed in a modern art museum, and her fairings drape seductively over the chassis beneath like a crimson Versacci evening gown.  The bike's incredibly svelte, sexy derriere is split by a thong-bikini of a taillight.  Pure visual lust.
We headed out onto the track.  The gearbox and clutch on this machine were as smooth as any I've ever tried, and combined with that huge, torquey engine, I could pull away from a stop at almost zero RPM.  Once moving, my first impression was one of pure locomotive thrust.  Want wheelies?  Crank in full throttle at five thousand RPM in first gear, and just hope that you can handle what happens next!  Cold Michigan pavement made it hard to get heat into her street-compound tires at first, but she built my confidence quickly, and soon the rattling sound of scraping knee pucks joined the lovely basso booming from her twin mufflers.  I noticed that while hanging off in fast sweepers, I could also hear an almost four-cylinder-like roar from the big twin's airbox.  Her massive torque was so immediate that I found myself lofting the front tire while still leaned over exiting corners, resulting in the occasional mild tank-slapper on touchdown.  Track riders and aggressive street freaks considering an RSV will want to add a steering damper.  Eventually, I began to trust this beauty enough to slide her rear tire exiting the slower corners, and this proved to be the cure for those pesky corner-exit wheelies!
      The RSV's riding position is an excellent compromise between full-on track attack and reasonable street comfort.  The fully adjustable upside-down forks and rear shock aren't quite race spec, but they are certainly a cut above what comes on most modern sportbikes.  With just a bit of fiddling, I found some very nice settings for Gingerman's rippled pavement. Evil Brembo 4 piston calipers squeezing full-floating rotors will stop you NOW from high speeds, but the slightly under-sprung front forks dive too much under extreme, racetrack-style braking.
      Being used to the peaky power delivery of high-revving Japanese inline-fours, I was simply amazed by the endless, effortless torque that this big vee-twin delivered. The 1000cc engine pulls strongly from the bottom of it's tachometer, but just to make sure that its rider is paying attention, there's a bit of extra afterburner from eight to ten thousand RPM.  The RSV1000R's power delivery, handling prowess and magnificent bellowing roar were so addictive that I spent several extra sessions wringing the bike out, fiddling with the suspension adjusters and trying new lines around the track.  At this point, I was looking for any excuse to ride her just one more time....
      

By now I'd fallen hopelessly in love with this sultry, seductive cycle, but I still had a date with the Tuono!  This bike's name is the Italian word for thunder, and it's a fitting name for a machine with so much attitude!  If the RSV is a drop-dead stunning Italian supermodel, then the Tuono is her younger, punk rock sister, all tattoos, piercings and spiky hair.  Like her sibling, the Tuono drips with murderously red paint, but this girl chooses to run naked!  That same torque-monster of an engine from the RSV hangs out in full public display on this machine, allowing you to savor its exquisite Italian craftsmanship.  What we have here is essentially a 1000cc street-legal dirt bike!
      High handlebars, low footpegs, and short gearing make the Tuono an awesome city bike.  Stunts are all too easy on this nimble monster.  I had to constantly remind myself that this machine DID NOT belong to me!  While the RSV is a poised, high-speed runner that lives for swooping curves, the Tuono is a cut-and-thrust machete, just made for slicing up traffic.  Her sit-up riding position, great brakes, explosive low-end torque and nimble handling combine to make the Tuono the finest city bike I've ever sampled.  Urban Guerrillas, your partner in crime has arrived.
      So which is the better bike?  That depends on what you're looking for.  Do you appreciate the elegance of a long-legged, high fashion beauty, or would you prefer to throw down with a leather and lace, take no prisoners urban street fighter?  Whatever your preference, these sexy Italians are sure to please!

QuoteOoooooooOOOooOoOooo ;D
K3...you just been served...  ;D

Somehow I don't think Dan would last an hour in your pits... :o ::) ;) ;D

Bah.. he'd love it, as long as he can put up with some major assclownery that our group brings up on the entire infield....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ever see an Aprilia scooter do a wheelie thru the entire paddock with a case of beer dangling off the back  :D

Too bad K3's not very articulate... ;D ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D

QuoteEver see an Aprilia scooter do a wheelie thru the entire paddock with a case of beer dangling off the back  :D

Ever see Bill Fehrman slap a fine on a racer and eject his a$$ from the paddock?

QuoteIt was the first weekend of October, and I was riding a track day with Sportbike Track Time at Gingerman Raceway in South Haven, Michigan.  STT maintains a fleet of Aprilia demo bikes, so I figured that this would be an outstanding opportunity to test some tasty Italian machinery.
      

Wait a second.... you weren't the reporter that dumped a new Mille in turn 3 were you ???   I remember in October when we were at Gingerman, and a reporter dumped a new Mille in turn 3 right infront of me, and I almost highsided trying not to run him over.  I was on my silver Mille.  Where's Monte???  MONTE !!!!     I came into hot pit and told Monte that the reporter just wadded up the Mille in turn 3 and his eyes about popped out of his head.    I'm being serious.  Just wondering if that was you.   Not trying to be a smart ass ....

QuoteEver see Bill Fehrman slap a fine on a racer and eject his a$$ from the paddock?

We do this kinda stuff late at night, when the rest of the paddock is out playing  :)   We don't cause the kinda trouble that would get us kicked out...err.. aleast most of the time.  We just have tons of fun.  It's always a good time....  :)

QuoteFun personal daily driver...2005 Mercedes SLK350
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Awesome car.  One of the guys at work has the SLK55 AMG  :)   That car is just bad ass...

QuoteNo.  I wouldn't believe you anyway.  :)

 ::)  Want to see pictures of them.  I have some really good pics of the 749S with all the toys on it.   BST's, Ohlins, ect...

Remember when Monte Lutz was talking about the BST's melting and giving out on a Ducati when tire warmers were used with the BST's...   That was my old bike.  Right after I sold it.

QuoteI'm not fast enough, talented enough, nor will I ever be.  I'm not trying to be a professional motorcycle racer, nor have I ever.....I'm just as happy at a track day.  Just because I don't race every round doesn't mean that I don't spend as much time doing what I love, nor does it mean that I'm less dedicated to the sport.  I have my way of dedication, and it's to my happiness.   I could care less about anything else.  I do it becuase I love doing it.  

That's my point.  

Your lack of personal experience with the majority of racers is shining through...

A small number of racers will become experts.  A smaller number will actually try to get an AMA Pro license.  A tiny number of those riders that have AMA Pro license actually can call motorcycle racing a "profession".

I think K3, Alexa, and others have many of the same feelings that you have.  But they tried or are trying.  It goes back to what you said..."I do it because I love motorcycles and speed."...very similar.

It's very hard to take someone seriously talking about racing when your racing background is a whole lot smaller than a lot of racers.  

Often, what you do by making some statements is to show a great amount of disrespect for the accomplishments that some have sacrificed a whole lot to do.  

Racing is about doing.  Track days are about attendance.  If that's fun for you, that's great.  Others wish to try to see how far they can take their feeble resourses and abilities.  Others have a bit more.

To diverge...

Ferrari has never been able to make a car that I can afford.  It's pretty easy to make a handful of cars for a small minority of individuals that have the means.  

Other companies have to focus on developing strategies for making vehicles that really are about transportation.  Affordable, reliable.  

I had a guy that I raced for that had a rich brother.  He had Lambo's...not really very reilable.  And when it broke, it cost more than the car that his brother drove as his daily driver.

If your R&D is focused on cost and mass consumers, it's a bit different when you can actually build a supercar that is competitive in performance with other supercars.  Whether it's done by Daewoo, GM, or Ford...good luck.  There's more money to be made selling Crapaliers, Foci, SUV's, and pick ups.

The Mille had one side scraped up because it had been dumped by Monte a few weeks earlier.  I didn't crash it.  Neither did anyone else that weekend.  
I was the first to arrive and the last to leave that weekend.  Don't recall seeing you there, Dan.  H was there, and so was Don Cook.  In fact, I remember asking Monte if you were going to show up, and he said you weren't registered.  BTW, I was a track coach, so in your fantasy, it would have been the reporter in the yellow vest highsiding in front of you, had you actually been there.
Do you really think I'd pit with you?  Not even if you were buying the tires.

QuoteWe just have tons of fun.  It's always a good time....  :)

Ah, that's nice...

We do to...


K3, no need to talk about being stolen for late nights...

Not sure why you always want to one up everyone, Dan.  It get's a bit boring.

QuoteYour lack of personal experience with the majority of racers is shining through...

A small number of racers will become experts.  A smaller number will actually try to get an AMA Pro license.  A tiny number of those riders that have AMA Pro license actually can call motorcycle racing a "profession".

I think K3, Alexa, and others have many of the same feelings that you have.  But they tried or are trying.  It goes back to what you said..."I do it because I love motorcycles and speed."...very similar.

It's very hard to take someone seriously talking about racing when your racing background is a whole lot smaller than a lot of racers.  

Often, what you do by making some statements is to show a great amount of disrespect for the accomplishments that some have sacrificed a whole lot to do.  

Racing is about doing.  Track days are about attendance.  If that's fun for you, that's great.  Others wish to try to see how far they can take their feeble resourses and abilities.  Others have a bit more.

I'm not trying to disrespect anyones accomplishments, because it was THEY'RE accomplishment, not mine.  Everything comes down to what it means to you.  To me, track days are alot more than just "attendance."  There may not be a checkered flag and a plaque at the end, but it means more than that to me.  To me, I'd rather go out and give it my best for a 30 minute session, than go out for 11 laps and give it my best simply because the trophy doesn't mean anything to me.  Am I racing at a track day? YES.  I'm racing against my lap timer, every lap, and my friends that I talk smack with in the paddock between sessions about who's faster and such.  Does that mean I'm any less of a racer than someone that does it for a plaque?  Nope. Does it mean that I'm better than him/her or that he/she is better than me?  Nope.  It comes down to what your personal goals are what they mean to you.  I have alot of respect for racers, and track day riders.  Why, because they do what they love, and they are trying to accomplish something.  My biggest accomplishment since the first time I ever stepped foot near a race track was not during a race.  It was at a track day.  What did I accomplish?  Passing someone that was faster than me all year.   That put the biggest smile on face ever, and if both of us were in an actual race, neither of us would've finished even close to the top ten. In all reality, we all love the bikes, the speed, and the track.  What it means to each individual is what they are trying to accomplish.   When I show up to the track I have 3 goals:

Have Fun
Have Fun
Go home in the same condition before I started my bike.

That's it.  Race, trackday, practice, it's all the same TO ME.    

QuoteOthers wish to try to see how far they can take their feeble resourses and abilities.

Thank you Dave.  Coming from you, my respected mentor and teacher, that really means a lot.

QuoteThe Mille had one side scraped up because it had been dumped by Monte a few weeks earlier.  I didn't crash it.  Neither did anyone else that weekend.  
I was the first to arrive and the last to leave that weekend.  Don't recall seeing you there, Dan.  H was there, and so was Don Cook.  In fact, I remember asking Monte if you were going to show up, and he said you weren't registered.  BTW, I was a track coach, so in your fantasy, it would have been the reporter in the yellow vest highsiding in front of you, had you actually been there.
Do you really think I'd pit with you?  Not even if you were buying the tires.

I was referrring to 2003.  I didn't see a date on your publication... sorry... wait there isn't one.  Ask Monte about the incident.  I'm sure he remembers.

Quote.

Not sure why you always want to one up everyone, Dan.  It get's a bit boring.

I'm not trying to be one up one everyone.  I'm trying to figure out why I get belittled because I'm "Less" of a racer than everyone else because I don't do actual races in the volume of everyone else does.   ???

QuoteTo me, track days are alot more than just "attendance."  There may not be a checkered flag and a plaque at the end, but it means more than that to me.........Am I racing at a track day? YES.  I'm racing against my lap timer, every lap, and my friends that I talk smack with in the paddock between sessions about who's faster and such.  Does that mean I'm any less of a racer than someone that does it for a plaque?  Nope.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! You're killing me Dan! I'm dying here! HELP ME!!!! A Track Day Queen talking smack with the pros!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

QuoteK3, no need to talk about being stolen for late nights...

Is there a better feeling than stuffing your greasy body into your leathers after an all night thrash, missing the warmup lap, and still getting a podium?
Yes, there is.  Doing the same for a friend.

It's what I live for.

QuoteI was there for that one too and it wasn't K3.  The reporter in that incident was an inept old guy in the beginner class, which is where you must have been if you were right behind him.

Track days are fun.  So is masturbation, but it's not the real thing.

'scuse me, did I use my "out loud"keyboard to say that?? :P

Nope, I was in the intermediate or advanced class... Where's Monte when you need him.  If that's the case, then we've been on the track together   :)  I was the guy on the Mille with the two sided "dil" taped to the back of the bike by Monte  >:(  I still gotta get him back for that one...  ;D
Anyways, I think that guy went out in the intermediate class, cause Monte wouldn't let me go in Novice.  I tried  ;D

QuoteI'm not trying to be one up one everyone.  I'm trying to figure out why I get belittled because I'm "Less" of a racer than everyone else because I don't do actual races in the volume of everyone else does.   ???

Dan, I don't race at all anymore, but when I did, I sucked.
I do offer a valuable service to both racers and track day folks, at good prices with good customer service.

It's also my personal opinion that whether you race or do track days, you have to find your level of involvement, personal satisfation, and intensity, because when it comes to a sport like motorcycles, it's all about personal preference.

That said, the reason you find you self on the business end of opinion and rapier wit with this particular group of folks is that you haven't met most of them, and haven't raced with them. You go on to challenge them, with no obvious reason other than to pull tail feathers. You also have less than kind things to say about all sorts of stuff, unless it meets your style or taste level..(Apples are better than PCs..or Italians bikes are better than Jap bikes)

Whether you actually say those things word for word is not the issue, it's the perception that you put forth.

Also, you "wonder" why people pick on you, but then you purport not to care...so that makes you a very rich target indeed.

Persoanlly, I don't either like you or dislike you, because I don't know you personally. What you write and comment about on this forum gives me a pretty good idea of what you might be like in person. If you care about the perception of others, cool, if not, that's cool too, but don't go yanking chains and then crying "foul" when you get chased.

Just my opinion...take it or leave it.

"can't we all just get along here?" Rodney King

QuoteBWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! You're killing me Dan! I'm dying here! HELP ME!!!! A Track Day Queen talking smack with the pros!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 

 :-*  I'm not talking smack.  I'm just trying to figure out why I'm less of a racer than everyone else?   I've got valid race licenses, race a few times, and spent just as much time and money as everyone else.  The only difference is, that every time I got on the track, a plaque wasn't involved.  Only a few times with that.  

QuoteDan, I don't race at all anymore, but when I did, I sucked.
I do offer a valuable service to both racers and track day folks, at good prices with good customer service.

It's also my personal opinion that whther you race or to track day, you have to find your level of involvement, personal satisfation, and intensity, because when it comes to a sport like motorcycles, it's all about personal preference.

That said, the reason you find you self on the business end of opinion and rapier wit with this particular group of folks is that you haven't met most of them, and haven't raced with them. You go on to challenge them, with no obvious reason other than to pull tail feathers. You also have less than kind things to say about all sorts of stuff, unless it meets your style or taste level..(Apples are better than PCs..or Italians bikes are better than Jap bikes)

Whether you actually say those things word for word is not the issue, it's the perception that you put forth.

Also, you "wonder" why people pick on you, but then you purport not to care...so that makes you a very rich target indeed.

Persoanlly, I don't either like you or dislike you, because I don't know you personally. What you write and comment about on this forum gives me a pretty good idea of what you might be like in person. If you care about the perception of others, cool, if not, that's cool too, but don't go yanking chains and then crying "foul" when you get chased.

Just my opinion...take it or leave it.

"can't well just get along here?" Rodney King

I agree, I ask for 100% of the drama I start, and I have no problem taking back what I hand out.  It's just all fun.  But, I don't belittle people nor do I feel superior to anyone else.  It's just amazing how quick you can get knock for a preference.   Some people like Duacti, some like Yamaha, some like Apple, some like Dell.  It doesn't matter, it's opinion.  And you know what they say, opinions are like a******* and everyone's got one.  

QuoteI'm not trying to disrespect anyones accomplishments, because it was THEY'RE accomplishment, not mine.

Buddy, if you're gonna all-caps stuff, spell it right.
 ;D

About what Dave said: your problem is not that you have near-zero racing experience (only one documented WERA endurance ride so far).  To each his own.

Your problem is often making bold statements you're not qualified to make.  See your rant on Mladin as evidence.

The Dark Side is Strong with young Corner Camping Dan...he is not ready... :o ;) :P

QuoteAbout what Dave said: your problem is not that you have near-zero racing experience (only one documented WERA endurance ride so far).

Wrong answer try again...  
http://www.fastone.com/FMCRRS99/03overall.pdf

Raced Fasttrax HWT Class, GT1, and something else (can't remember) at one or two rounds.   Don't remember exactly... but I can dig around and see exactly what it was...

 :-*

QuoteYour problem is often making bold statements you're not qualified to make.  See your rant on Mladin as evidence.

What "bold statements."  MY OPINION
 ???   I"m not qualified to have an opinion  ???   Hmmm...   So, if we were to both have to give an opinion on a cellular telephone for example, is your opinion "less qualified" because you don't have an electrical engineering degree and I do  ???  

IT'S AN OPINION !

Quote:-*  I'm not talking smack.  I'm just trying to figure out why I'm less of a racer than everyone else?    

Quite simply because you don't race.  And your little diatribe about how you do is bullshit, racing is competition, looking for faster laptimes is not competition it's practice.

You have a license, use it sometime.

QuoteQuite simply because you don't race.  And your little diatribe about how you do is bullshit, racing is competition, looking for faster laptimes is not competition it's practice.

You have a license, use it sometime.

Actually, no, I do race.  Just not in the same volume as everyone else.  Racing is competition?  Right, so when myself and 3 of my friends go out in the advanced group of an LED day and race each other, we aren't really racing because..... ?  There's no plaque?  There still is a checkered flag, and there is still traffic, and we all started out at the same time... but wait.. we weren't racing, just practicing.   ::)  

And I do intend to use my race license.  That's why I'm renewing them.  I intend to go to every round I can, based on what my family, work, and physical shape allow.

and hey Sean, when we were at the Grattan National, were we racing in the endurance race?  Was that practice or were we racing?  Please explain...

QuoteTrack days are fun.  So is masturbation, but it's not the real thing.

Dear Mr. Cook,
     I would very much like to use that priceless line for my signature quote. May I attribute it (In order of preference) to:
1.) Don Cook ?
2.) dylanfan53 ?
3.) Anonymous ?

Please reply ASAP!

TIA

QuoteWhat "bold statements."  MY OPINION
 ???   I"m not qualified to have an opinion  ???   Hmmm...   So, if we were to both have to give an opinion on a cellular telephone for example, is your opinion "less qualified" because you don't have an electrical engineering degree and I do  ???  

IT'S AN OPINION !

If your degree actually applies to cell phones, yes you are more qualified.  An opinion is something like "I don't like Mladin."  Your statements are much closer to "Mladin is a coward."  So yes, that's pretty bold for someone who has never been in a competitive situation on a racetrack.

And no, riding for last place in endurance or in a 3-bike class at your local club is not competing.  :)

QuoteActually, no, I do race.  Just not in the same volume as everyone else.  Racing is competition?  Right, so when myself and 3 of my friends go out in the advanced group of an LED day and race each other, we aren't really racing because..... ?

Because it's no different than a Sunday ride on a backroad.  Just safer.  :)

QuoteIf your degree actually applies to cell phones, yes you are more qualified.  An opinion is something like "I don't like Mladin."  Your statements are much closer to "Mladin is a coward."  So yes, that's pretty bold for someone who has never been in a competitive situation on a racetrack.

Well, I specialize on RF based electronics, so I guess that makes me more qualified to have an opinion, but when it comes down to you having the opinion of "that phone sucks" and my electrical opinion is that "it's the best" that doesn't mean EITHER of us are completely right.  It's preference.  I don't go out and analize every piece of electronics I buy, because sometimes my professional opinion and my preferences conflict.   Regarding Mladin, in my opinion, he's a coward.  So what, it's my opinion.  It's not worth a damn.  Is Mladin gonna quit because I called him a coward.  Nope, he'll take it with a grain of salt, like he should.

QuoteBecause it's no different than a Sunday ride on a backroad.  Just safer.  :)

Uhm.. it's alot different.  We don't ride at that speed on the road.  Nor, do we race on the road.   Nor do we ride on the road....  ;D

Also, whenever my tires on the track, I always give it my best, 100%.   You do that on a Sunday ride, or do you just tool around town with your buddies  ???  Every time I went out, we were just taking in the sights and riding around.  I don't do that on the track.  I ride to the best of my abilities...  ;)

QuoteAnd no, riding for last place in endurance or in a 3-bike class at your local club is not competing.  :)

That's a hell of a statement.  So what your saying is that if I showed up to every round, and never finished higher than last place, or there were only 3 bikes in my class, I wouldn't be competing?  So, when I get on the grid, and there are only 3 or 4 bikes in my class, we should all just quit because we're not competing
 ???  It was a WERA round, and a National after all, but since there were only 3 or 4 bikes in my class, I guess it doesn't count.

Interesting....   I'll have to check attendance and registration before I decide to pay to race.  That way I'm not just wasting my time.   ;)

QuoteDear Mr. Cook,
     I would very much like to use that priceless line for my signature quote. May I attribute it (In order of preference) to:
1.) Don Cook ?
2.) dylanfan53 ?
3.) Anonymous ?

Please reply ASAP!

TIA

It's all yours, no attribution please. I got more where that came from.

Quoteand hey Sean, when we were at the Grattan National, were we racing in the endurance race?  Was that practice or were we racing?  Please explain...

You were riding, others were racing.  

The difference is easy to see...  for most.

QuoteSo yes, that's pretty bold for someone who has never been in a competitive situation on a racetrack.

Define "Competitive Situation on a racetrack."  

Like, when I bet someone 5 cases of beer that I can run lap times atleast 2 seconds faster than they can?

or

When I'm racing someone for last place?

or

When I'm out to beat my own personal best lap time?

or

When I passed the 1st place expert in the rain during the HWT race?

None of that is a "competitive situation?"

Does it only apply to racers on TV?  Do I have to race on TV before I can be on a competitve situation on the race track?

 ;)

I love threads like this.  Reminds me why i won't let you on our board....  

Good evening all I leave you to your abuse.

QuoteYou were riding, others were racing.  

The difference is easy to see...  for most.

Really.  Why were we only "riding" and not racing?  If I remember correctly, and you can ask them to verify, but the WERA regulars and my teammate were running the same lap times.  Now my slow ass wasn't even close to them, but, I was still giving it 100%.  My 100% isn't as good as there's when it comes to laptimes, and skill, but still, it was still my 100%

So, let me ask you this.  If a new guy comes in, and isn't competitve with his abilites, do you send him on his way because he's not "racing" but he's riding?

If the last two guys are fighting each other for 10th and 11th place, are they riding or racing?


The WERA regulars I'm referring to was the team that pitted with us and shared our garage that was from KY.

QuoteI love threads like this.  Reminds me why i won't let you on our board....  

Good evening all I leave you to your abuse.

I love threads like this also.  :)

and..

what makes you think I want to be on your board.  I'm sure someone else will pop up sooner or later and you'll say it's me.    ;)

QuoteThat's a hell of a statement.  So what your saying is that if I showed up to every round...

That's precisely your problem: YOU DID IT ONCE!
 ::)

No I didn't do it just once.  I did it more than once.  Your assuming I only did it once.   Let's see, when I got my WERA license, and my CCS license, I wasn't a provisional novice.  Sean can verify I'm sure that I had enough experiance so when I got my WERA license for the first time, I wasn't provisional status... Gee, how could that be?  Could it be because I have done it more than once, and more than twice, and more than 3 times.  Maybe you don't know as much as you assume to know.   ;)  The ONLY WERA round I've raced in, was a National event.  Therefore, it's in the rulebook, that a PN cannot race a National  ;)

QuoteI got more where that came from.

resthome@mindspring.com Bring 'em on!
(BTW, I already know the "Special Olympics" one. They find it too offensive up north.)

QuoteSo, let me ask you this.  If a new guy comes in, and isn't competitve with his abilites, do you send him on his way because he's not "racing" but he's riding?

Chances are pretty good that he's NOT going around calling the 5-time AMA champion a coward.

Never mind, you'll never get it.  Bling on...

QuoteChances are pretty good that he's NOT going around calling the 5-time AMA champion a coward.

Never mind, you'll never get it.  Bling on...

Maybe he will.  I think Max Biaggi is a cry babby and he isn't good enough to wipe Rossi's ass.  Is that opinion wrong because I've never raced MotoGP?  There is no such thing as a WRONG OPINION.  There is such a thing as a disagreeable opinion, but not a wrong one.  

So.. I'm waiting for Papa to explain how I have a full novice race license with both CCS and WERA, and I have never done a CCS sanctioned race, and I only raced one time with WERA.  Yet, I have never been a provisional novice with either WERA or CCS....

<Jeopardy Theme playing loudly>


 ;)

QuoteNo I didn't do it just once.  I did it more than once.  Your assuming I only did it once.   Let's see, when I got my WERA license, and my CCS license, I wasn't a provisional novice.  Sean can verify I'm sure that I had enough experiance so when I got my WERA license for the first time, I wasn't provisional status... Gee, how could that be?  Could it be because I have done it more than once, and more than twice, and more than 3 times.  Maybe you don't know as much as you assume to know.   ;)  The ONLY WERA round I've raced in, was a National event.  Therefore, it's in the rulebook, that a PN cannot race a National  ;)

First, I can get all your WERA info, down to blood type by Monday: so don't challenge me.  ;)

Second, your WERA license was not provisional ONLY because you applied as a CCS license holder.

Third, you have lied multiple times about racing WERA before that ONE endurance ride you had.  You don't want to go down that route again.

So OK, keeping the seat warm between your endurance teammate's racing stints qualifies you to criticize Mladin's career with words like "coward."  Obviously, you don't have a credibility deficit. What was I thinking?::)

QuoteSo.. I'm waiting for Papa to explain how I have a full novice race license with both CCS and WERA, and I have never done a CCS sanctioned race, and I only raced one time with WERA.  Yet, I have never been a provisional novice with either WERA or CCS....

<Jeopardy Theme playing loudly>


 ;)

See above.  ;)
Please list all you WERA and CCS (not fastrax) races.
Owned again...

QuoteFirst, I can get all your WERA info, down to blood type by Monday: so don't challenge me.  ;)

Second, your WERA license was not provisional ONLY because you applied as a CCS license holder.

Third, you have lied multiple times about racing WERA before that ONE endurance ride you had.  You don't want to go down that route again.

So OK, keeping the seat warm between your endurance teammate's racing stints qualifies you to criticize Mladin's career with words like "coward."  Obviously, you don't have a credibility deficit. What was I thinking?::)

So how did I get a full CCS license if I never raced with them before......  and YES, I'm challenging you.  Pull my WERA records.  I'm sure all race orgs. check your "past experiance" and just don't take your word for it.  As far as blood type, you won't know it, cause I don't even know what it is...  It's not on my application.   As far as "keeping the seat warm" my teammate is about 6 seconds faster than me, and I was indeed faster than 1 other guy on the track, ateleast at Grattan.  He'd never been there before.  
Here's a hint papa... my first time on the track wasn't in 2003.  My first time racing wasn't in 2003.  My first bike was a 1999 748 that I bought new from Ducati of Detroit.   Dan doesn't ride on the street anymore, and I didn't learn to ride on the street.  I rode on the street in 2002 and a small part of 2003 until my teammate crashed on a "sunday ride" and got kinda hurt.  Then I quit the street again.  

QuoteSee above.  ;)
Please list all you WERA and CCS (not fastrax) races.
Owned again...

Hardly.  Papa, when is the first time we ever "met" on the WERA BBS?   2003 right?  

QuoteSo how did I get a full CCS license if I never raced with them before......  and YES, I'm challenging you.  Pull my WERA records.  I'm sure all race orgs. check your "past experiance" and just don't take your word for it.  As far as blood type, you won't know it, cause I don't even know what it is...  It's not on my application.   As far as "keeping the seat warm" my teammate is about 6 seconds faster than me, and I was indeed faster than 1 other guy on the track, ateleast at Grattan.  He'd never been there before.  
Here's a hint papa... my first time on the track wasn't in 2003.  My first time racing wasn't in 2003.  My first bike was a 1999 748 that I bought new from Ducati of Detroit.   Dan doesn't ride on the street anymore, and I didn't learn to ride on the street.  I rode on the street in 2002 and a small part of 2003 until my teammate crashed on a "sunday ride" and got kinda hurt.  Then I quit the street again.  

So what I'm telling you papa, is that my first time on a race track was in 1999, because I got my first bike, and I didn't learn to ride on the street because I was scared to learn around cars.

QuoteSee above.  ;)
Please list all you WERA and CCS (not fastrax) races.
Owned again...

Why not Fasttrax?  Fasttrax is a race org. correct?  So is GLRRA  ;)

Fasttrax doesn't count because?????  How about AHRMA, LRRS?  Do they count?  Nope, haven't raced with AHRMA or LRRS....  just using them as examples.  

QuoteSo what I'm telling you papa, is that my first time on a race track was in 1999, because I got my first bike, and I didn't learn to ride on the street because I was scared to learn around cars.

Like I said: give me some WERA and CCS dates.  I'll save your the work and do the research.  Come one, 3 dates not including that endurance race.  I'll check back with you tomorrow.

No excuses, explanations or BS.  3 dates.  CCS and/or WERA. Just 3.  That's all. 3.

QuoteWhy not Fasttrax?  Fasttrax is a race org. correct?  So is GLRRA  ;)

Fasttrax doesn't count because?????  How about AHRMA, LRRS?  Do they count?  Nope, haven't raced with AHRMA or LRRS....  just using them as examples.  

You said you've raced CCS and WERA.  3 dates.  No spin, no BS, no excuses.  Facts or an admission you lied.  3 measly dates.  Just the month/year is good. 3...

There isn't 3 dates with CCS or WERA.  Again, are they the only race orgs that exsist?

Question:

If I race Fasttrax, and I take the HWT championship with Fasttrax, do I become a WERA expert?  I'd be a Fasttrax expert right?  Does that make me WERA expert?  If so, why doesn't Fasttrax count?

QuoteYou said you've raced CCS and WERA.  3 dates.  No spin, no BS, no excuses.  Facts or an admission you lied.  3 measly dates.  Just the month/year is good. 3...

Why are you stuck on CCS and WERA? If you don't race with one of those two orgs., you don't race?  What about all the others?

p.s.  going shopping with the wife.  I'll be back later on tongiht  :-*

I just want to see if you can figure out how I got a full novice license with either CCS or WERA if I've never raced CCS, and only one round with WERA.

Tell me... old great one  ;D

QuoteFacts or an admission you lied.  3 measly dates.

Your right.  I did sandbag on my experiance.  100% I only raced 1 WERA Round.  Never a CCS Round.  But still, tell me how I got a full novice license....  ;)

Here's a hint:  Look beyond WERA, CCS, and Fasttrax.  Look before 2002.  

ps... I use to live in Miami  ;)

QuoteWhy are you stuck on CCS and WERA?

Because YOU LIED. I just want you to admit YOU LIED.  It's all available on the web. LIES.

I got a CCS licence before I ever raced.  Got WERA papers a years or two later.  Both were full licenses.  I never wore a PN shirt anywhere.  So you haven't proved sh!t.  It's easy to get around PN status, and you did too.

OK, I'm in a forgiving mood: 2 dates. Just 2!  WERA or CCS.  Come on, you can do 2, right?  You've raced both orgs before 2004.  ;D

QuoteYour right.  I did sandbag on my experiance.  100% I only raced 1 WERA Round.  Never a CCS Round.

At last!  Good for you.  The truth shall set you free.  We're done.
 ;D

QuoteYou were riding, others were racing.  

The difference is easy to see...  for most.

the big man in the tuxedo OFF THE TOP ROPE!!!

Dan I don't know you from a hole in the ground but the simple fact that you are associated with this board makes me not want to race CCS this year and switch my planned schedule to WERA...

at least I raced once last year (CCS @ Summit Point on May 1st for those of you scoring at home...13th in GT lights)

racer's race.  everyone else just rides...and keep talking about "racing" during trackdays...that will get you far.  the depth of your ignorance is astounding...you just will never get it, no matter how many people with decades of experience try to explain why you come across as an a$$...you just don't get it.

I'm just a casual observer who has no real interest in any of your posts or battles with others and yet you're so offensive that it spurned me to post...you've got talent.

QuoteDan I don't know you from a hole in the ground but the simple fact that you are associated with this board makes me not want to race CCS this year and switch my planned schedule to WERA...

Don't worry about Dan at a CCS race...


.... he won't show up anyways.

 ;D

QuoteAt last!  Good for you.  The truth shall set you free.  We're done.
 ;D

Huh  ???  I said I SANDBAGGED, NOT lied.  What the hell are you talking about?  If I sandbag, it means I didn't tell you EVERYTHING I've done.  It doesn't mean I lied about it.  

WTF???  Want the French translation of Sandbag  ??? :-* ;D

QuoteDan I don't know you from a hole in the ground

at least I raced once last year (CCS @ Summit Point on May 1st for those of you scoring at home...13th in GT lights)



I'm just a casual observer.

1. That's my point!  

2. I've raced more than you have so don't bother trying to define a racer to me.

3. Stay casual, cause you don't want any part of these wars.  Trust me, sometimes even I regret starting them, but not this time.

QuoteDon't worry about Dan at a CCS race...


.... he won't show up anyways.

 ;D

 ;D  This season is gonna be off the hook....  ;D ;D ;D  You guys are in for a surprise...  :-*

QuoteIt's easy to get around PN status, and you did too.

Really, how  ???  I did 3 race weekends wearing a pumpkin shirt.  None with WERA and CCS though.  The first two weekends the shirt was mandatory, the thrid time was voluntary  ;D

Let me get this straight, you can get around PN status by just lying on the application  ???  You mean to say the responsible race orgs. don't check to make sure you aren't just B.S.'n  ???   Mongo, care to answer that?  Tiffeney?   If it's that easy, AMA PRO, here I come  :D   MotoGP too  :D :D  

.

Quote2. I've raced more than you have so don't bother trying to define a racer to me.

prove it...I took the 3 seconds to find the date that I raced.  and your credentials in the field are?  when did you race last year again?  oh that's right you did trackdays...right, right...I dare say that most folks here would call me the more experienced RACER.

I'm a noob and I've already figured out that you're a babbling wanna-be.  those who can do...those who can't post incessantly on message boards.

you can see me this year at FUSA Team Challenge events and most of the MidAtlantic CCS rounds.  come find me, Dan.  I shouldn't be hard to find...look for the 6' 5" 220lb guy on a Kawi green SV #272Am.  I'll shake your hand for having the gall to actually show up at an actually race, let alone entering one.

QuoteDon't worry about Dan at a CCS race...


.... he won't show up anyways.

 ;D

 now why on earth would you say such things? :P

Alright, you've raced what, once?   Here's mine:

http://www.mylaps.com   WERA National, Grattan, HSB, Team Section 8 Superbike.  7/17/2004

http://www.fastone.com/FMCRRS99/03R9.pdf

2003 Fasttrax, #35, HWT, and GTI.   Superbike 750 too I guess ???   I don't even remember that race.


Stand by, I have more... have to dig around for them...   I don't remember dates...

QuoteI'll shake your hand for having the gall to actually show up at an actually race, let alone entering one.

Are you kidding me.  I showed up at the 2003 WERA GNF and cornerworked EVERY DAY, and not a single soul said a word to me.  I'd be more than happy to meet you.  And meet, we will, especially if you're in my region  :D

QuoteAre you kidding me.  I showed up at the 2003 WERA GNF and cornerworked EVERY DAY, and not a single soul said a word to me.  I'd be more than happy to meet you.  And meet, we will, especially if you're in my region  :D

in all seriousness.  thank you for cornerworking.  a job that gets little fanfare, but we all need.  thank you.

but...

why do you think that nobody talked to you at the WERA day?

Quotein all seriousness.  thank you for cornerworking.  a job that gets little fanfare, but we all need.  thank you.

but...

why do you think that nobody talked to you at the WERA day?

Actually, I'll probably never corner work again.  I almost caused an accident, so I'll stick to picking up bikes already in the sand trap if I do it again.  A runner more or less..


Why nobody talked to me  ???  I dunno.  I got all kinds of threats before hand.  I even showed up all by my self, not knowing anyone.  Drove all the way from MI to Road Atlanta just to CW.  It was definetly fun though.  I'd do it again in a heart beat if time allowed.  And, I take it back, one person did say something to me, but he did end up being pretty cool...  :)

I thought a few of your friends came down from nc........ 8)

QuoteI thought a few of your friends came down from nc........ 8)

 ;D

I know who bobo is  :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No way....  Bobo... send me a PM  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey Johnny B.....

Got some popcorn  ;D

Where'd everyone go  ???  The party's just getting started.  We're only on page 9  ;D

QuoteAre you kidding me.  I showed up at the 2003 WERA GNF and cornerworked EVERY DAY, and not a single soul said a word to me.  I'd be more than happy to meet you.  And meet, we will, especially if you're in my region  :D

Isnt that the one you wanted to bring your gun to? ::)

Yeah, so...  Damn, a guy asks a question, that got a hundred PM's with serious answers, and you guys take it overboard.   ;D

page 36, here we come  ;)

This has got to be the biggest thread jack in history....  ;D

Papa, doesn't this get boring for ya? Nahhhhhh. ;D

You came to play too huh  :D

Just watchin.

Sissy...  ::)

 ;D

LOL. I told Dawn I would be nice on her board. You are getting your ass handed to ya by the other fellas quite nicely anyways.

Yeah, we gotta behave cause Dawn will put the smack down from the top ropes :(

QuoteLOL. I told Dawn I would be nice on her board. You are getting your ass handed to ya by the other fellas quite nicely anyways.

thanks Putter... ;D

see you on the Dan-Ban Board!

Quotethanks Putter... ;D

see you on the Dan-Ban Board!

For some reason, I can't access the BBS from my computer. I miss your avatar! :-*

Quoteon Today at 8:24pm, cornercamping wrote:
 
Are you kidding me.  I showed up at the 2003 WERA GNF and cornerworked EVERY DAY, and not a single soul said a word to me.  I'd be more than happy to meet you.  And meet, we will, especially if you're in my region  :)

QuoteIsnt that the one you wanted to bring your gun to? ::)

A must read if you haven't yet!  -->

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36634&perpage=30&highlight=dan%20gun&pagenumber=1

Dan is 'ducelectronics' instead of 'cornercamping'  

QuoteFor some reason, I can't access the BBS from my computer. I miss your avatar! :-*

they were just doing some work on it...it was down for a few.  back up now.

what can you say...we're a$$ men...

Quotethey were just doing some work on it...it was down for a few.  back up now.

what can you say...we're a$$ men...

Yeah, I know they did some work, but for some strange reason, I can't get into the WERA site at all, haven't been able to for 4 or 5 days. Kinda weird. Gotta be something in my computer.


With loving thoughts about your avatar,

Putter

 8)

the big man had a post about there being an issue with incompatibility with some ISP's...let me find the details and I'll paraphrase...

two minutes.

BRB

Thank You.

Putt-

can you get into the RRW (also 13x) website?

Yes.

from Mongo's reply in the post

"Please everyone make sure it's the page not found error rather than a message form the bbs saying you can't post or somehting along those lines - majorly different issues.

I think the server has some security stuff in place that may be doing it, not sure though, could be leftover DNS stuff from a month ago. Anyway, the more info I have the better.

Also - try to get onto www.roadracingworld.com first and let me know if you can or not"

and

"If you have details like your IP address please email them to me and we'll work on it."

another post I found with more ideas...2&2

"What about...

on the Tools menu, Internet Options, Security tab, and click Restricted Sites, and click Sites, and just be sure wera.com and 13x.com aren't listed."

???

sorry, Putter but I suck at the internet!!!

Hey Putter, maybe Mongo thought you were me and he banned you too  ;D ;D  He bans other people that he thinks is me, so he probably blocked you too  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hmmm. What's my actual IP address? How do I find that out? My provider is MSN.


Sorry, I am not much of a computer guy. >:(

ask Sr. Mongo.  He could've done it by accident.  Banned someone else using MSN and blocked you too on accident.   ;D

QuoteHmmm. What's my actual IP address? How do I find that out? My provider is MSN.


Sorry, I am not much of a computer guy. >:(

pm me here with your e-mail addy and I'll pass it along to Sean.

and we'll send out a search party on the WERA board!

PM sent. Come rescue Putter!  ;D



Sorry about using your bandwith, dawn.

QuotePM sent. Come rescue Putter!  ;D



Sorry about using your bandwith, dawn.

thanks Dawn.  good karma taking over this thread now...

QuoteHmmm. What's my actual IP address? How do I find that out? My provider is MSN.


Sorry, I am not much of a computer guy. >:(

http://www.whatismyip.com/

Quotehttp://www.whatismyip.com/

Well, never thought I would be saying this....


Thank you, Dan.

No problem  :)

If you have Cable or DSL, try power cycling your modem.  If it's dial up, you might get away with dialing into a different access #.  Not sure if the dial up works that way, but I think it does.  When you power cycle your modem, your IP gets changed sometimes.  Might work, might now.   :-/

QuoteWell, never thought I would be saying this....


Thank you, Dan.

sellout!!! ;)

Quotesellout!!! ;)

thanks from me too Dan.

Quotesellout!!! ;)

Isn't it past your bed time there pops  ???

 ;D

I'm heading off to bed myself.  

Quotethanks from me too Dan.

I do what I can to assist the elderly.  Need help crossing the road?

 ;D :P

how am I elderly at 35, again?

you just can't leave it alone can you...

Quotepm me here with your e-mail addy and I'll pass it along to Sean.

and we'll send out a search party on the WERA board!

diet Dr Thunder (Dave Arkle) thinks he can help.  he wants to call you tomorrow...pm me yo numba bizzatch.

Good night H  :-*


 ;D :P

K, I emailed Mongo with my ISP. Let's hope I can get back in business. I love the irony of discussing this on the CCS forum.....  ;D

Sec, I owe ya one!

QuoteK, I emailed Mongo with my ISP. Let's hope I can get back in business. I love the irony of discussing this on the CCS forum.....  ;D

Sec, I owe ya one!

its all good karma in the end...too much is made of CCS vs. WERA.  we're all just trying to do the same thing.  can't we all just get along? (except for the red-headed step child...el Dan)

Putter, try this also:

In MS DOS

Start
All Programs
Accessories
Command Prompt

When Command Prompt opens, type this in exactly:

ipconfig /release

hit enter, and it should say IP RELEASED and a bunch of  other crap.

Then, type in:

ipconfig /renew

Then, wait a second, and you should see a new IP pop up in the black box.

When Typing ipconfig there is a space between ipconfig and /.  It should be typed exactlylike this:

ipconfigSPACE/release and ipconfigSPACE/renew

That might do it.

make sure the space is in there.  

QuoteGood night H  :-*;D :P

Huh??

You must not be able to read and just looking at the pictures.  While Seculatirst's avatar is like mine, that wasn't the H-man.

BTW Dan, have you noticed this http://www.racemotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=tips;action=display;num=1107055878?

Quote:-*  I'm not talking smack.  I'm just trying to figure out why I'm less of a racer than everyone else?   I've got valid race licenses, race a few times, and spent just as much time and money as everyone else.  The only difference is, that every time I got on the track, a plaque wasn't involved.  Only a few times with that.  

I've got plaques and actual real trophies.  Really don't care much about them either.  I give some to kids, some we leave in the road to watch kids pick them up....  

As for you spending as much time and money as me?  

That's a two way street, like I said.

First, sounds like you probably make a lot more money than me....

Second, I doubt you spend more money than me...

Third, spending more money than me doesn't mean that a person can still beat me...

Fourth, what's the point of spending more money?  Still doesn't make you part of the racing community if we never see you.  A simple license gives one the opportunity to compete with an organization.  Entering a race gives one the opportunity to compete.  Being recognized by a community as a racer...that comes with a fair opportunity for someone to see that you  tried.  Racing is really about trying.  Few are winners on the podium, most of us are first place loosers and back.

QuoteI agree, I ask for 100% of the drama I start, and I have no problem taking back what I hand out.  It's just all fun.  But, I don't belittle people nor do I feel superior to anyone else.  It's just amazing how quick you can get knock for a preference.   Some people like Duacti, some like Yamaha, some like Apple, some like Dell.  It doesn't matter, it's opinion.  And you know what they say, opinions are like a******* and everyone's got one.  

I think the trick becomes that we know you by now.  Can we all say that we're friends by now?

Often, how you deal with your friends opinions, well, it's childish.

When I was in first grade, I remember learning this very well.

I liked the Pittsburg Steelers.  My friend Tom Brady liked the Dallas Cowboys.  My friend Tom taught me the lesson that just because I liked something, it didn't mean that everything else sucked.  

We have three Apple's here at my house, but I don't belittle the PC's.  I have no particular attachment to any vehicle really.  I know what I like.  Anthing that costs more than $20k should be able to blow me as I drive down the road as far as I'm concerned.

Respect...

Give it out, and it comes back to you.

I'm a pretty tolerant guy.  I give out more advice at the race track to the poeple I am and have worked with than I am able to give to myself.  Sometimes riders need a yes or no answer.  Sometimes they need an explaination.

You say that you have no problem taking what you hand out.

I think the trick is that there are lots of people that just don't want what you're handing out because they don't play that game.  Recognize that difference.

The difference this board has compared to some is a great amount of respect between posters.  Isn't too much blah, blah, blah stuff until you post, like, a whole mess of one liners that could have been put together in one coherent statement.

You certainly have a right to your opinions just like having an as#hole.  Where you unload though, you need to be careful.  Don't unload where one can step in it.  When that happens, things fly.

We're happy to share wisdom that you have and ours with you.  

   Hey Corner, I believe SD is throwing you a rope of sorts...take it, and the advice, and exit gracefully.


   BTW-How's about those gawdanged tires you were giving away for free? You gonna send em or what?


  Ya, how bout them der auctions? ( Is it time for another suspension clinic somewhere?) Gotta check the sproing in the springs.

Quote Being recognized by a community as a racer...that comes with a fair opportunity for someone to see that you  tried.  Racing is really about trying.  Few are winners on the podium, most of us are first place losers and back.

Well said.

QuoteRespect...

Give it out, and it comes back to you.


The difference this board has compared to some is a great amount of respect between posters.  

You certainly have a right to your opinions just like having an as#hole.  Where you unload though, you need to be careful.  Don't unload where one can step in it.  When that happens, things fly.

  

Well said.

Quote  Hey Corner, I believe SD is throwing you a rope of sorts...take it, and the advice, and exit gracefully.
 

Hit the nail square on the head.  Now comes the true test.  Will Dan learn something here, or will he just fly off into another endless oration?
You know Dan, you're obviously smart and articulate.  Why do you always have to be such a pain in the butt?  Are you developmentally disabled?  Didn't get enough attention as a child?  What is it?  If you could just realize that the world doesn't revolve around you and every thought that you have, people might actually start to like you.
No slamming here.  Just friendly observation and advice.

QuoteHit the nail square on the head.  Now comes the true test.  Will Dan learn something here, or will he just fly off into another endless oration?
You know Dan, you're obviously smart and articulate.  Why do you always have to be such a pain in the butt?  Are you developmentally disabled?  Didn't get enough attention as a child?  What is it?  If you could just realize that the world doesn't revolve around you and every thought that you have, people might actually start to like you.
No slamming here.  Just friendly observation and advice.

odds on this?

 :o  Well I just showed up late for the party...

Give me a minute and I'll reply to all... :)

QuoteI liked the Pittsburg Steelers.  My friend Tom Brady liked the Dallas Cowboys.  My friend Tom taught me the lesson that just because I liked something, it didn't mean that everything else sucked.  

We have three Apple's here at my house, but I don't belittle the PC's.  I have no particular attachment to any vehicle really.  I know what I like.  Anthing that costs more than $20k should be able to blow me as I drive down the road as far as I'm concerned.



  

Dave, one thing you have to realize, is that I'm not trying to belittle anyone or anything.  With the computer jokes, they are just jokes.  I use both Apple and PC.  I have to.   Now, I prefer Apple, I in my opinion Apple's are far superior to the PC's, but it's just a joke.   You know, kinda like the bumper sticker "Friends don't let friends ride Kawaski's."  It's that kind of thing.  It's just a joke.

As far as anything over $20k should be able......   I agree  ;D  

QuoteRespect...

Give it out, and it comes back to you.  

Dave, think about this....   Have I ever taken a slam at you?  Ever poked fun, or made a joke about you?

Probably not.  Actually, I don't think I ever have directed a joke your way.  Now think about this, who do I constantly go back and forth with....  and there's more than one person   ;)  Why?  And the people I do go back and forth with, it doesn't mean I don't respect. them.

damn I gotta go do something for work.  Be back in a little while.  :(

..... he just doesn't learn ......   :(

QuoteDave, think about this....   Have I ever taken a slam at you?

I'll open this up and reply...

We've taken note that opinions are like, well, you know...

So, now that we all have opinions, they are ours...

They are rather personal.

Recognize my first grade example.  My friend's opinion was that the Cowboys were the team.  I thought otherwise, and I let him know that in a way that wasn't done in the best fashion.

As per my opinion...

You go off..."Ford GT is a piece of crap..."  and continue on and on...

Don't beat the horses so bad, and they won't poop where you walk.

A little tact will go a longer way on this.  Recognize at the top of this page that it's "RaceMotorcycles.com Forum".

There are a good number of racers on this board.  As the audience here. if you think that track days are your thing, then that kind of an opinion might be a bit different than the norm.  I'm not against diversity, but you're gonna get flack.

I don't think you're a bad guy.

But you're in people's "face" so much...

You provoke a defensive reaction from just about anyone.  I don't know how to explain it, but you're good at it.  

You've been openly welcomed by people to come to a race.  You don't even have to race.  I'll call some of these people ambassadors.  They love this so much, this racing thing, that they just want people to experience it.  You don't even have to race.

At times, you flip that invitation around.  Rather than recognizing the graciousness the person is offering, it gets into something else.  

I can only generalize based on my own opinions, but the offers still seem to come, but your willingness to show up seems to have diminished.  

For a lot of us, this forum is an extention of those minutes between grids that we get to spend time together.  Most of us would prefer that the weekend never end, but jobs and paying for tires and all keep us from doing that.  It makes us all family.  We really do take care of each other too.  

I have a really eclectic group of friends.  Really covers a wide are of the US.  Most of use are underemployed folks that don't really care what we drive, except for the fact that we saved money on it so we could race.  Robert Jensen made $120k last year racing Yamaha's.  He drives some old Toyota Camary.  I've got a 1990 Mercury Sable.  I'm in heaven compared to my old Accord.  I drove a 1983 Datsun Sentra to Daytona once.  Meanwhile, I've owned top flight race bikes.  I've raced in the parking lot AMA race at Pomona, Oval tracks of Loudon, Charlotte, Phoenix, and Daytona, road courses of Laguna, Sears, and Atlanta.  I've crashed team owners $70k bikes, with irreplaceable parts, but still get calls from others to race their bikes.  I've been lucky enough to have a dreamy life that way.

We've offered our friendship a whole lot to you.

Tread on us a little lighter...