Dan quickly realized that in the future he should pay someone to do the safety wiring for him.....
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That picture just makes me want to cry. :'( Poor little guy never saw it coming!
Thats what happens when a foreign car hits a squirrel. I'm happy to say tehe squirrel walked away with minor scratches. ;D ;D ;D
How come I don't see an image?? All I see is a large oval logo for plus613.com
QuoteHow come I don't see an image?? All I see is a large oval logo for plus613.com
Try restarting your computer H-Man.
H! Get duct tape! Dawn! Zip ties and safety wire! Dave! A hammer and some vice grips! Paul! Water and water wetter! How long 'til last call? GO! GO!
:o :o :o :o :o :o
;D
Uhmm.. More like Dan's first attempt at drifting a car ;D
I saw an Enzo in worse condition than that. That one just hit a parking block or something. The one I saw at StateFarm in their research lab tumbled 3 times end over end. :o
QuoteTry restarting your computer H-Man.
I did that and still the oval. >:(
You guys actually see something other than the oval? You're starting to creep me out man! :o
But maybe the problem is with you all. Don't you see the oval? I can see other things too. People. They'ree all around ther BBS. There's racers, family and friends of racers, race support people. And look over there. There's Dan. He doesn't fit into any of the other categories. ;D
Actually while I really do still have the oval after rebooting, I copied the ovals properties and went to the site of the picture I should see.
QuoteI did that and still the oval. >:(
You guys actually see something other than the oval? You're starting to creep me out man! :o
But maybe the problem is with you all. Don't you see the oval? I can see other things too. People. They'ree all around ther BBS. There's racers, family and friends of racers, race support people. And look over there. There's Dan. He doesn't fit into any of the other categories. ;D
Actually while I really do still have the oval after rebooting, I copied the ovals properties and went to the site of the picture I should see.
Uhm... I think your officially nuts. Everyone see's the picture but you ::)
;D
:-*
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Here you go H. Don't worry, it's Rick's fault. He sucks at the internet :D
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QuoteEveryone see's the picture but you ::) http://images.dmusic.com/v7/emoticons/burnout.gif[/img]
That's cause
I'm special 8)
I did eventually get to view the pic. Thanks for the re-post of it though.
I never got the pic, just the square wth the little red X inside. Anyone know why?
This laptop's fairly new and I've got a cable modem although I'm on a wireless router and repeater at the moment. I think I'll try the desktop.
Don....
Did you ever get it to work?
Here's the link I used...
http://www.plus613.com/images/www_plus613_com_enzo20040205001.jpg
QuoteHere you go H. Don't worry, it's Rick's fault. He sucks at the internet :D
OK....am I going to have to start a poll on this? How many people don't see the picture of the red Ferrari?
Not I, I get the oval on one machine little red box on another. get page can't be displayed clicking on link
QuoteDon....
Did you ever get it to work?
Here's the link I used...
http://www.plus613.com/images/www_plus613_com_enzo20040205001.jpg
Nope,
I see the pic that Cornercamping posted, but not the first post's pic. :-/
(BTW, I wonder how many people recognize your quote from Alice's restaurant.) :)
Quote(BTW, I wonder how many people recognize your quote from Alice's restaurant.) :)
Maybe we're the only ones old enough here to recognize it! ;)
Not sure on the image display issue... comes up fine for me and I didn't save it to my hard drive.
Rick
This is really weird....now I'm getting the big blue circle...
OK...I fixed it. Changed the link.
Old people ::) You should stick to watching Golden Girl's and leave computers alone ;D :P
QuoteThis is really weird....now I'm getting the big blue circle...
OK...I fixed it. Changed the link.
OK there it is!
And yes, I'm old enough to remember good songs... ;D
QuoteOld people ::) You should stick to watching Golden Girl's and leave computers alone ;D :P
Sometimes I just love taking my helmet off after a race. ;)
I see it now too.
[In my best Robin Williams imitation] IT'S A MIRACLE!
QuoteOld people ::) You should stick to watching Golden Girl's and leave computers alone ;D :P
Uh... Dan, let's not forget the topic of this thread.
Man, you must have gone home crying after school because of the other kids picking on you in shop class. :P
That's allright though. I handed out asses after shop class in Trig, Computer, and Introduction to Physics ;)
QuoteThat's allright though. I handed out asses after shop class in Trig, Computer, and Introduction to Physics ;)
You handed out your WHAT! :o :-[ Dude, that's way more information about you than I want to know.
Don't ask, don't tell ya know. ;)
BTW, happy new year Dan.
H.
Happy New Year H ;D
QuoteOK....am I going to have to start a poll on this? How many people don't see the picture of the red Ferrari?
It's red ???
QuoteIt's red ???
Better yet, its a Ferrari? ;D
THIS is a REAL Ferrari... ;D
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::) This is one of the rarest Ferrari's..... The "real" begining of Ferrari !
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Quote::) This is one of the rarest Ferrari's..... The "real" begining of Ferrari !
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Too bad it has no personality.
If you have that kind of money, personality is something that sits in your museum. ;)
Myself, if I had the money in my hands, and could buy any car I wanted, I wouldn't buy a Ferrari, Lamborghini, or any of that crap. It would be either a Noble M12 GTR or a Mercedes SL65 AMG which is a total sleeper. 604 HP/738 ft/lb tq., and massage seats at the same time 8) Hard top convertable on top of that. Hand built by AMG race engineers with engine assembly done by 1 person from start to finish. About $230K complete by the time you order all the toys, and add another $50K for "premium" IF you can get on the list for one. That car has class, style, and will flat out destroy most performace cars on the road.
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QuoteIf you have that kind of money, personality is something that sits in your museum. ;)
I dont believe in just letting cars sit in a museum. They were meant to be driven, and damn thats what I'd do with it. Even if its the very last version and worth 2 mil, I'll still drive it.
I still rather have a 36 Cord. ;D
QuoteI dont believe in just letting cars sit in a museum. They were meant to be driven, and damn thats what I'd do with it. Even if its the very last version and worth 2 mil, I'll still drive it.
I agree, but when you have that kind of money, you can drive a different car every day and not drive the same one twice in a month ;)
I actually got to drive an SL65 AMG. That thing was like :o It's all quiet, and then you stomp on the gas, and :o Queit power 8) Every year at CES Mercedes has a "demo drive" in the parking lot of the Las Vegas Hilton to show off the new technology in their cars. So... I waited almost an hour, but it was worth it. Now, if I can just find someone to loan me $280K and I'll get me one ;D Another bad ass Benz is the CL65 AMG. Same car, but 4 doors 8) or, the E55 AMG. If I ever buy a Benz (realistically), that'll probably be it. E55 AMG 8) I have a thing with luxury cars with HP. Cars like Vette's and such don't interest me. I'd rather have something that isn't "every day" like Vette's, ect. BMW's are sweet, but Mercedes has the upper hand with AMG. The E55 will walk on an M5. Then, if you really wanna get something special, find an Audi RS6. That car is sick. 450 HP allwheel drive, 4 door. Then, get some ECU tuning, and your at 560 HP. 8) The Audi S4 is sweet too. A friend has one. Not too shabby for $40K. Better than a Vette in my opinion. Atleast the build quality is better. :-/ Vette's are junk. If your going to spend $50K, get a better made car. I'd take damn near any German car over a Vette. Supposidly, BMW is going to release a V10 M5. We'll see...
Here's the Noble M12. When you order it, you can get any color paint you want, or anything you want. Car is approximately $75K complete. Uses a Ford V6 with twin Garret Turbo's. It'll smoke a Ferrari Enzo on the racetrack. It's been proven over and over again by test drives. Nothing can touch this car, especially for price. You have to order your car, and they ship it minus drivetrain from the UK. Then, when it gets here, you put the drivetrain in and it is street legal. One was on Ebay in IL, for $66K. Sweet car. Drove one of these too. Distributor is right outta Cincinatti. The best thing is you order it exactly how you want it. All you need to know is the paint codes and type of fabrics you want. Everything is 100% customizable. You pick everything. They give you everything you need, and once it gets in the states, they already have shops all around the country that have been factory trained to install the drive train. Not bad for $80K. The complete chassis minus motor starts at $40K.
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I don't like the fact that the passenger has a steering wheel too! ;D ;)
QuoteI don't like the fact that the passenger has a steering wheel too! ;D ;)
;D :P The US version is right hand drive. ;D Don't know why the passanger side has a steering wheel too ??? Maybe so you can steer the rear wheels independantly from the front ???
;D :P
Noble actually manufacturers complete cars in the UK. You can buy one in the UK with everything allready done, but they are hand assembled in South Africa I believe. I have the "build your own" catalog they sent me and the cool thing was the carbon fiber wheel option. Only $8K for carbon wheels :o and I though my BST's were expensive. I really like that Noble. First time I saw it I was like :o I was thinking a while back about possibly ordering the rolling chassis and then get the rest later. It takes about 5 months to get the chasis here. But, I'm overlooking the fact that I need alot of $ to do it. $25K down just to order, then additional balance for chassis due at delivery.
You know what though, what's up with the Lotus Elise? Everyone say's that car is bad ass, but it's only got 190 hp ??? Plus, they're like $50K ??? Why :-/
QuoteMaybe so you can steer the rear wheels independantly from the front ???
Just imagine the slalom speeds that thing could do! :o ;) ;D
Quote...Supposidly, BMW is going to release a V10 M5. We'll see...
Old news, I've seen half a dozen euro TV tests. Newsflash for you: the E55 and CLS55 were owned. Time to catch up, buddy.
And the SL65 can't handle it's own power. Not to mention its weight. Turn the ESC off and its all over the road. But you know that, since you drove it... ::)
As for the first "real" begining of Ferrari, LOL. ;D Dude, get a clue. The 288 GTO is cool, but Michele Alboreto behind the wheel couldn't shake Stephan Johanson in a AMG Hammer sedan during a mid-80s track test. And try telling the people who spend $millions on 250 GTOs they don't own a real Ferrari.
Dan, man... ::)
QuoteYou know what though, what's up with the Lotus Elise? Everyone say's that car is bad ass, but it's only got 190 hp ??? Plus, they're like $50K ??? Why :-/
Check the weight, you'll get a clue.
As for the price, look into Lotus' manufacturing processes and production volumes.
QuoteHere's the Noble M12. When you order it, you can get any color paint you want, or anything you want. Car is approximately $75K complete. Uses a Ford V6 with twin Garret Turbo's. It'll smoke a Ferrari Enzo on the racetrack. It's been proven over and over again by test drives. Nothing can touch this car, especially for price. You have to order your car, and they ship it minus drivetrain from the UK. Then, when it gets here, you put the drivetrain in and it is street legal. One was on Ebay in IL, for $66K. Sweet car. Drove one of these too. Distributor is right outta Cincinatti. The best thing is you order it exactly how you want it. All you need to know is the paint codes and type of fabrics you want. Everything is 100% customizable. You pick everything. They give you everything you need, and once it gets in the states, they already have shops all around the country that have been factory trained to install the drive train. Not bad for $80K. The complete chassis minus motor starts at $40K.
Here's a video of the M12. It's alright for a kit car. Keep in mind: the driver is british...
http://www.gofastvideo.com/gallery/getitem/175/1/aac.avi
QuoteHere's the Noble M12. When you order it, you can get any color paint you want, or anything you want. Car is approximately $75K complete. Uses a Ford V6 with twin Garret Turbo's. It'll smoke a Ferrari Enzo on the racetrack. It's been proven over and over again by test drives. Nothing can touch this car, especially for price.
Dan, you're simply dreaming. The best 0-60 speed I've seen reported for the M12 is 3.7, the Enzo is 3.3. M12 0-100 9 secs, Enzo 0-100 6.6 secs. Top speed on the M12 is 170, the Enzo is 220. There is simply no way the M12 will exceed 200 MPH, in 6th gear the gear ratio is turning the engine 26.5 MPH/1k. That would mean that to run 200 MPH the engine would be revving at about 7,600 RPM, well, well past the peak performance point of 6,200 RPM. How do you figure the M12 will smoke the Enzo? ??? The Porsche Carrera GT is faster 0-60, 0-100 and top speed also, and there are a few others that completely outclass the Noble.
I don't see why you're so impressed with a car that's, as Papa said, just a kit car. Porsche and Ferrari do their own engine development, Noble uses a Ford. The Noble is interesting, but hardly worth the praise you're heaping upon it. If you're going to gush over a Noble, at least pick the best performer, the M400.
QuoteDan, you're simply dreaming. The best 0-60 speed I've seen reported for the M12 is 3.7, the Enzo is 3.3. M12 0-100 9 secs, Enzo 0-100 6.6 secs. Top speed on the M12 is 170, the Enzo is 220. There is simply no way the M12 will exceed 200 MPH, in 6th gear the gear ratio is turning the engine 26.5 MPH/1k. That would mean that to run 200 MPH the engine would be revving at about 7,600 RPM, well, well past the peak performance point of 6,200 RPM. How do you figure the M12 will smoke the Enzo? ??? The Porsche Carrera GT is faster 0-60, 0-100 and top speed also, and there are a few others that completely outclass the Noble.
I don't see why you're so impressed with a car that's, as Papa said, just a kit car. Porsche and Ferrari do their own engine development, Noble uses a Ford. The Noble is interesting, but hardly worth the praise you're heaping upon it. If you're going to gush over a Noble, at least pick the best performer, the M400.
I wasn't talking about top speed or 0 to 60 time. I'm talking about handling and lap time capabilities. Same driver, Noble blows damn near everything away. Go read all the reviews of pro drivers that have driven the car. Furthermore, doesn't say too much when a $2 Mil car is less than a second faster from 0 to 60 compared to a car that is less than $80K. Still trying to figure that one out, but I'm a mechanical idiot when it comes to that side of it. I'd take the M12. About as many of those on US streets as the Enzo. Same thing for top speed. Is an Enzo ever going to reach top speed on a race track? Probably not. Other than all the neat carbon fiber, an Enzo really isn't that great in my opinion. As far as the Porsche GT, same thing. $500K compared to $80K and the difference in money doesn't really justifiy the level of performance.
Hey Frank, if your ever in the Cincinatti area, call 1G Racing. That's the Noble importer. Ask them to let you drive one. They have 3 or 4 you can drive on hand. Then, you can also add additional performace by different engine configurations. The "Standard" engine configuration is what they list all the data for. There's a couple that have a few additional bits and bolts on them for a few extra HP.
QuoteOld news, I've seen half a dozen euro TV tests. Newsflash for you: the E55 and CLS55 were owned. Time to catch up, buddy.
And the SL65 can't handle it's own power. Not to mention its weight. Turn the ESC off and its all over the road. But you know that, since you drove it... ::)
What owns the E55 and CL65 ??? M5 ?
As far as the SL65, I couldn't really tell you. I was in a parking lot, so I couldn't open it up really. Accelerated really hard, but really quiet. I still love that car. That's the car that I want. I like luxury performace. Audi RS6 is another thing I'd jump on if the $ was in my bank accounts. :D
QuoteCheck the weight, you'll get a clue.
As for the price, look into Lotus' manufacturing processes and production volumes.
Right, you can tell it doesn't weigh much. But, how competitive can it actually be compared to a stripped down VW R32? Take all the luxury crap out of the VW and you have some competition. That R32 is no joke for what it has in it.
QuoteI don't see why you're so impressed with a car that's, as Papa said, just a kit car.
Papa ??? Papa Thaim ??? Old808 = Papa Thaim ???
Also, I don't think the Noble's are really kit cars :-/ They have regular retail dealers in the UK, and also sell them complete. The only reason for no drive train in the States is to avoid DOT/EPA/CARB from my understanding.
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QuoteAlso, I don't think the Noble's are really kit cars :-/ They have regular retail dealers in the UK, and also sell them complete. The only reason for no drive train in the States is to avoid DOT/EPA/CARB from my understanding.
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ERA is a kit car company but they sell turn key vehicles that are still kit cars.
Oh, and hey Frank: Remember that thing we talked about last year for data transfer. We started implementing a bunch of stuff, then we got stuck on stupid having to follow this: http://www.wctp.org/
Quote The Audi S4 is sweet too. A friend has one. Not too shabby for $40K.
Where in the hell can you get an S4 for $40k? Base price starts at around 48k and add any options that you'd actually want and you're at damn near $60k. ::) ;) :)
I have a friend that can hook me up with some discounts 8) But, in general, by the time you load it up, you're at $50K :(
QuoteI wasn't talking about top speed or 0 to 60 time. I'm talking about handling and lap time capabilities. Same driver, Noble blows damn near everything away. Go read all the reviews of pro drivers that have driven the car.
Noble raced the M400 (which outperforms the M12) in the Yokohama Mid-Engine Series and did well, but that was agains Lotus Elises, not exactly the same class as GT Ferraris. Sorry, but they wouldn't stand a chance in a decent road race series.
If you're referring to pro drivers comments in the Autocar tests, that was the M400, not the M12.
There was one on the M12 GTR I believe. Robb Report maybe? Can't remember. It was a while back. The guy who drove it also owned an Enzo, and ended up ordering an M12 GTR the next day. Some oil guy or something.
QuoteOh, and hey Frank: Remember that thing we talked about last year for data transfer. We started implementing a bunch of stuff, then we got stuck on stupid having to follow this: http://www.wctp.org/
Standards are a PITA for innovators. :'(
QuoteStandards are a PITA for innovators. :'(
Yeah, I feel the same way, but the powers that be believe that it's the most efficient ::)
QuotePapa ??? Papa Thaim ??? Old808 = Papa Thaim ???
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He's been sandbagging on his identity >:( ;D
QuoteERA is a kit car company but they sell turn key vehicles that are still kit cars.
So does Ford, Chrysler, and General Malfunction. See, you buy a car, and then you have to add your own parts. But, this comes after 3 years or 36,000 miles ;D
QuoteHe's been sandbagging on his identity >:( ;D
Depends on who you are I guess! :P
;D
Dang, Frank's got picture of me I've never even seen! ;D
Dan, you can't strip the extra cylinders, or the 4WD out of a R32. It'll always be a fattie. I had a regular VR6: it's a porker.
p.s. talking about SL65...
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8893
QuoteHe's been sandbagging on his identity >:( ;D
Nah, went months without logging in and I forgot there was an underscore in my name. Created a new ID, because it seems you can't sort names to do a search. I didn't care much to read member names until I found mine. Then I forgot about it all. I just remembered where to look. :)
Look at BMW USA's website. The new M6 is bad. You were right. Mercededs better step up the E55 or it'll get tore up by the Bimmer.
Me wants one of those now. Wonder what it's gonna cost though. ??? The 6 series is already in the mid $70's. $80's to $90's for the M6. If they have one at the autoshow this week, I'll take tons of pics. I'll be there during industry days so I can get some good pics. Most of the time, they allow "industry" more access to the vehicles. Last year, I actually could walk up to a Lambo and sit in the drivers seat. But, on public days, all the high lines are locked down and blocked off. New 6 series looks sweet. Definetly interested in one. :D
Quotep.s. talking about SL65...
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8893
I read the article in Car and Driver which as SL65 vs. Enzo vs. 911 TT on the plane ride to Vegas. Definetly interesting. What's cool is it's considered a daily driver for most. 911 could be driven daily i guess, but unless you have some really deep, deep pockets, I don't think you could drive an Enzeo every day and pay for maintance. That's the biggest attraction to the SL for me. The only thing that sucks is that it's really not needed to have that kind of HP on the street, but who cares, it's still 8) That M6 has my eye now. Sooner or later, I want a performance luxury sedan or coupe. I might just wait and see what happens with the M6. I know I can get discounts on MB, but I'm sure I can find some help from some people I know on a Bimmer. Only problem is finding a dealer willing to part with one on employee pricing or equiv. Usually they add several thousand $ to the sticker as a premium. Then, they won't sell to employee's and such because they don't get a chance to mess with pricing. The pricing is set by the manufacturer and the dealer can't do anything about it. They'd rather just not sell the car.
P.S. Seregei Federov's Enzo is for sale here in Detroit. Saw it before I left. $1.3 mil and it's your's ;D Wonder why he sold it?
Also, anyone know the details on ordering a Ferrari? It always made me wonder on the time frame from order to delivery. Not that I'd ever buy one, but it's interesting to see how long it actually takes. According to people I've talked to, they'll build the way you want. Someone should've gotten a pink Enzo if that's the case. I would if I had that kind of money. 8)
QuoteAlso, anyone know the details on ordering a Ferrari?
Definitely over a year for an F430. Don't know about 575 & 612.
I will eat a shoe if you can
prove in the next 3 years that you own an M6. I'll give you 5 years for an SL65. Don't know who you think you know at MB, but SL65, CL65 and CLK-DTM are "special order" cars. You ain't getting one cheap. I'll give you lifetime on an Enzo. ;D
My word is good, ask Racer Wannabe.
QuoteI will eat a shoe if you can prove in the next 3 years that you own an M6. I'll give you 5 years for an SL65. Don't know who you think you know at MB, but SL65, CL65 and CLK-DTM are "special order" cars. You ain't getting one cheap. I'll give you lifetime on an Enzo. ;D
Me thinks that Papa's digestive system need not worry about having to deal with anything like leather anytime in the next 100 years or so! ;D I might be tempted to join Old808 on this one.
Papa, you want dibs on the right shoe or the left shoe? Not that it really matters! ;)
There was an SL65 here at the track yesterday along with a Lambo something or other (2004 model all wheel drive thingy). The guy said that SL made 640hp (he had a little work done already) and there were only 200 imported to the states. The guy has lots of nice cars too, the other times he's been here he's brought out one of his Ferrari's (he has 3). Some people......make me jealous! :)
QuoteThere was an SL65 here at the track yesterday along with a Lambo something or other (2004 model all wheel drive thingy). The guy said that SL made 640hp (he had a little work done already) and there were only 200 imported to the states. The guy has lots of nice cars too, the other times he's been here he's brought out one of his Ferrari's (he has 3). Some people......make me jealous! :)
So Rog, did you pull out the stopwatch? I'm curious if they'd be embarrassed by a spec Miata or something with someone who knows how to drive.
Or at least did you get a ride?
-z.
QuoteThere was an SL65 here at the track yesterday along with a Lambo something or other (2004 model all wheel drive thingy).
Both models are AWD. did the doors open normally (Gallardo, V10), or swing up (Murcielago, V12)?
The doors swung up so I guess that answers that question. One of the guys who was here flew in from Dallas and they were taking turns driving the cars. The one that flew in was ripping pretty good, but the local SCCA Formula Continental hotshoe went for a ride in the Lanbo and said the guy who was going the fastest could shave 5 seconds if he was a better driver. The local guy does 1:10's CCW in his FC. The best times I've seen from a GT1 Porche were around 1:13's. For those who have never been here the motorcycle lap record is 1:10.42. Outright lap record is 1:02.76 with a Formula Atlantic set this year.
QuoteI will eat a shoe if you can prove in the next 3 years that you own an M6. I'll give you 5 years for an SL65. Don't know who you think you know at MB, but SL65, CL65 and CLK-DTM are "special order" cars. You ain't getting one cheap. I'll give you lifetime on an Enzo. ;D
My word is good, ask Racer Wannabe.
You're on. :D
QuoteYou're on. :D
which car? I bet I get the M6 before you :)
Rev.... $500.00 on it for charity ?
FYI: I got a new truck today. 05' Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with the Hemi :D
QuoteRev.... $500.00 on it for charity ?
no money bet rich boy. Lets just bet that the loser gets an ass whoopin for 10 minutes. :)
QuoteFYI: I got a new truck today. 05' Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with the Hemi :D
Why?
No money bet ??? Why not ??? What, you won't have any money left to get gas for your M6 ??? or, did you learn not to bet against me ??? ;D ;D :-*
Common' Rev, you have 2 years before the car is even available to the public. Plenty of time to save up your pennies, plus it's for charity. Same as our MotoGP bets.
;D ;D :-*
QuoteWhy?
Because it's bad ass. My Ram lease was up, and I needed something. I went there with the intention of getting a 300C. The problem was the dealer only had 2 300C's and because they are so popular now, they didn't want to sell it to me on supplier discount. So, while waiting to see if I could do anything with the price of the 300, I sat in a new Cherokee Limited, and let me tell you, the are just bad ass. Nothing like the old Jeep's. Plus, it's got a ton of HP for what it is. It moves like a bat outta hell. With all the rebates and discounts, I got over $11K off the $43K sticker. 24 month lease, 15k miles. Then, when the Jeep lease is up, the M6 will be out ;) ;D :-*
plus, I need something that I can pull a trailer to the racetrack with for this season and next. ;)
QuoteBecause it's bad ass. My Ram lease was up, and I needed something. I went there with the intention of getting a 300C. The problem was the dealer only had 2 300C's and because they are so popular now, they didn't want to sell it to me on supplier discount. So, while waiting to see if I could do anything with the price of the 300, I sat in a new Cherokee Limited, and let me tell you, the are just bad ass. Nothing like the old Jeep's. Plus, it's got a ton of HP for what it is. It moves like a bat outta hell. With all the rebates and discounts, I got over $11K off the $43K sticker. 24 month lease, 15k miles. Then, when the Jeep lease is up, the M6 will be out ;) ;D :-*
plus, I need something that I can pull a trailer to the racetrack with for this season and next. ;)
It's not bad ass.
yeah it is. Luxury and usability. Thing has more bell's and whistles than most SUV's. I went and drove an X5, ML, XC90, and a Toureg. Jeep won. The new Jeep Cherokee's with all the toys in them hand down smokes all the rest. The ML is a turd, has no power. The X5 has some power, but drives kinda "heavy" and costs $30K more, with less technical toys. The XC90 seems small and drives like a minivan. The Toureg is nice, but I don't like the dash, and can't do anything with the crappy audio system in it because it's integrated into the CAN system. So, I won't buy an General Malfunction products because they are over priced. The Jeep wins hands down. Has all the toys at a cheaper price and has faster acceleration and towing capabilites compared to the other SUV's. 7200 lb. towing capacity. The ML can't pull anything, and the BMW doesn't justify the cost. The GM brand luxury SUV's are all overpriced crap. Plus, this way I help Mark make it another day closer to retirement ;D
Go drive a new Cherokee and you'd be surprised what major changes have taken place. :D
QuoteNo money bet ??? Why not ??? What, you won't have any money left to get gas for your M6 ??? or, did you learn not to bet against me ??? ;D ;D :-*
Common' Rev, you have 2 years before the car is even available to the public. Plenty of time to save up your pennies, plus it's for charity. Same as our MotoGP bets.
;D ;D :-*
If I saved everything I make for 2 years, I wouldn't have enough money to buy a Honda Accord you maricon. Not much money in being a dance choreographer. So you're going to go from a Jeep Cherokee to an M6? HA HA HA HA you so funny guy Mr. round eye
Quoteyeah it is. Luxury and usability. Thing has more bell's and whistles than most SUV's. I went and drove an X5, ML, XC90, and a Toureg. Jeep won. The new Jeep Cherokee's with all the toys in them hand down smokes all the rest. The ML is a turd, has no power. The X5 has some power, but drives kinda "heavy" and costs $30K more, with less technical toys. The XC90 seems small and drives like a minivan. The Toureg is nice, but I don't like the dash, and can't do anything with the crappy audio system in it because it's integrated into the CAN system. So, I won't buy an General Malfunction products because they are over priced. The Jeep wins hands down. Has all the toys at a cheaper price and has faster acceleration and towing capabilites compared to the other SUV's. 7200 lb. towing capacity. The ML can't pull anything, and the BMW doesn't justify the cost. The GM brand luxury SUV's are all overpriced crap. Plus, this way I help Mark make it another day closer to retirement ;D
Go drive a new Cherokee and you'd be surprised what major changes have taken place. :D
So you bought an SUV for it's acceleration and gadgetry? Maybe you should've gotten a MB S55 ::)
No, I bought an SUV because I needed towing capabilites and I needed room. I was going to get the 300C and then buy a cheap beater truck to tow. As far as technology is concerned, I can say that this will be the first vehicle that I have gotten with all the factory installed toys. Usually, I order it and deck out the audio system, and such. This time, it's already done, and done right. Chrysler has their stuff together. The only thing I plan on adding is maybe a subwoofer. On every other vehicle I have ever leased or bought, I usually replace everything with aftermarket. This one doesn't need it cause everything already is awesome. The Boston audio system rocks. I was amazed at what Chrysler has done. They listened, and did it right. Chrysler is gonna put a beating to the other manufactuers.
The acceleration is definetly a great bonus. The Hemi MDE is a bad ass design, and well thought out. Lot's of HP, and good gas mileage. 340HP in a Jeep is alot.
$ for $, nothing can touch the new Jeep Grand Cherokee's.
QuoteSo you're going to go from a Jeep Cherokee to an M6? HA HA HA HA you so funny guy Mr. round eye
I went from a Lexus LS430 to a Dodge Ram. The Lexus was the worst automotive purchase mistake I ever made.
QuoteThe acceleration is definetly a great bonus. The Hemi MDE is a bad ass design, and well thought out. Lot's of HP, and good gas mileage. 340HP in a Jeep is alot.
I think you should be a bit more concerned with torque than hp unless you're trying to break the land speed record for an SUV. ;)
QuoteI went from a Lexus LS430 to a Dodge Ram. The Lexus was the worst automotive purchase mistake I ever made.
Really? I know a guy who's dad has a friend who's son's father in law's 3rd cousin has a Lexus LS430 and he says that it's the most refined and awesome sedan that he's ever owned.
QuoteI think you should be a bit more concerned with torque than hp unless you're trying to break the land speed record for an SUV. ;)
340hp / 375 ft. lbs @ 4K RPM
:D
QuoteReally? I know a guy who's dad has a friend who's son's father in law's 3rd cousin has a Lexus LS430 and he says that it's the most refined and awesome sedan that he's ever owned.
Overpriced Corolla with leather and naviatiion. Worst purchase I ever made. It was nice for a 4 door sedan, but every other car in it's class was better in my opinion. I should've gotten a BMW or Benz. That Lexus spent half it's life in the shop. Nothing like paying $800.00 a month to drive a rental car. >:( That car has 2 transmissions put in it, and more electrical bugs than is even close to acceptable. After 7 months, I was about to retain an attorney and file suit against Toyota using the Lemon Law. That car was a piece of crap. I bought it new. 3 days after I bought it, the alternator died on the E-Way in the middle of Michigan half way to Chicago. >:(
I sold the car after 9 months, 2 transmissions, 11 times in the shop with the check engine light on 22 times. It had 9k miles on it when I traded it in, and I lost $7K on it just to get rid of it. >:(
QuoteOverpriced Corolla with leather and naviatiion. Worst purchase I ever made. It was nice for a 4 door sedan, but every other car in it's class was better in my opinion. I should've gotten a BMW or Benz. That Lexus spent half it's life in the shop. Nothing like paying $800.00 a month to drive a rental car. >:( That car has 2 transmissions put in it, and more electrical bugs than is even close to acceptable. After 7 months, I was about to retain an attorney and file suit against Toyota using the Lemon Law. That car was a piece of crap. I bought it new. 3 days after I bought it, the alternator died on the E-Way in the middle of Michigan half way to Chicago. >:(
I sold the car after 9 months, 2 transmissions, 11 times in the shop with the check engine light on 22 times. It had 9k miles on it when I traded it in, and I lost $7K on it just to get rid of it. >:(
BMW or Benz ain't no better homeboy.
Yeah they are. German's know what they're doing. ;)
What? Benz are notorious for having lots of problems! Rev should know. He had to drive Britney Spears Benz for a few months when they were doing the coreography for her new video. From what he told me, that thing was in the shop half the time!
QuoteYeah they are. German's know what they're doing. ;)
How many German vehicles have you owned in the 10 years you've had a driver's license.. PUNK!?
My boss has an S500. His wife has an S430. Both get new one's every 2 years. They've never had problems. My cousin has a G500. He's had it 3 years, no problems.
Guess it depends how the union workers feel the day your car is made ;D ;D :P :-*
QuoteHow many German vehicles have you owned in the 10 years you've had a driver's license.. PUNK!?
1 VW GTI 1.8T Never had any problems. Just got in an accident with it.
Before the manufacturer war starts, let me just state, that everyone has opinions on which manufacturers vehicles are better. In mass manufacturing, there are always going to be problems. I base my opinions on my experiance. So far, I will never buy another Lexus or Dodge Ram. Other than that, we'll see.
QuoteWhat? Benz are notorious for having lots of problems! Rev should know. He had to drive Britney Spears Benz for a few months when they were doing the coreography for her new video. From what he told me, that thing was in the shop half the time!
That's the truth! She was more trouble than it's worth. Never work with her ever again! I'm going back to choreographing for Shakira and Christina Aguilera.
QuoteBefore the manufacturer war starts, let me just state, that everyone has opinions on which manufacturers vehicles are better. In mass manufacturing, there are always going to be problems. I base my opinions on my experiance. So far, I will never buy another Lexus or Dodge Ram. Other than that, we'll see.
If that is the case I will never buy a Yugo Sport or a Hyundai Excel ever again!
QuoteIf that is the case I will never buy a Yugo Sport or a Hyundai Excel ever again!
;D
and you expected to get what out of either of them ??? Ya know Rev, I don't think Yugo has ever had a good name for anything other than being cheap. ;D You set yourself up for failure on those cars. ;D
Quoteno money bet rich boy. Lets just bet that the loser gets an ass whoopin for 10 minutes. :)
You should. It's a safe bet. I can't tell you more because of board police. :)
Nah... he won't take the bet. He's already lost once, about to be two times, and that'll make number 3 if he takes it. I'll even give him better odd's. How about this, not only will I get an M6, but an extra $300.00 says I get one before it hits the showroom floors ;D :P
Registration, and proof of insurance showing the year, make, model, my name on it good enough proof? No manufacturer's plate either.
Any takers on the bet?
QuoteHow about this, not only will I get an M6, but an extra $300.00 says I get one before it hits the showroom floors ;D :P
Registration, and proof of insurance showing the year, make, model, my name on it good enough proof? No manufacturer's plate either.
Any takers on the bet?
Yes, more money I can send to Airfence. The minute it hits a showroom floor in America, you have lost $300. You have provided me with way too much ammunition in 18 months of bs for me to worry about the bet. ;)
QuoteRegistration, and proof of insurance showing the year, make, model, my name on it good enough proof? No manufacturer's plate either.
Any takers on the bet?
You drive it to a raceweekend and show it to everyone plus everything above and I'll take the bet sucka. :)
So, $500.00 says I get an M6. Another $300.00 ontop of that if I get it BEFORE it's available on any U.S. Dealer's lot for sale? How we will prove the winner.
I will provide a copy of the registration showing my name, and the proof of insurance showing the same.
I will provide a user name and password to the BMW USA dealer service site so you can verify no M6's are in the system available for sale by U.S. Dealers.
Winner chooses which charity the money goes to. Payment to be made either when I post up the pics and info on my M6, or when the first M6 hits a dealer in the U.S. commercially for sale.
Papa, are we on?
:D
QuoteYou drive it to a raceweekend and show it to everyone plus everything above and I'll take the bet sucka. :)
You're on :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
QuoteSo, $500.00 says I get an M6. Another $300.00 ontop of that if I get it BEFORE it's available on any U.S. Dealer's lot for sale? How we will prove the winner.
I will provide a copy of the registration showing my name, and the proof of insurance showing the same.
I will provide a user name and password to the BMW USA dealer service site so you can verify no M6's are in the system available for sale by U.S. Dealers.
Winner chooses which charity the money goes to. Payment to be made either when I post up the pics and info on my M6, or when the first M6 hits a dealer in the U.S. commercially for sale.
Papa, are we on?
:D
If we get someone to verify in person that the car in your position physically and that the identification numbers match the paperwork you will provide, than it's fine. The reason I want someone to verify (and that someone has to be approved by me) is because I don't trust anything you say, ever. Sorry to be blunt.
By the way, I hope you realize that with the terms you just offered, if you somehow managed to get the car after it becomes available to the public (people have been known to win the lottery), you still pay $300. And if you can't get it early enough (three years), you are out $800.
Lastly, I didn't say you were sending the money you owe me to charity. I said I am sending it. I don't trust you to do that either.
ALright, well whatever. It's on. I'll give you all the info. when I get it.
You do realize I live in Detroit, and I work in the automotive industry right? You do realize that I have contacts with every automanufacturer right? How else do you think I'd get one before it was publically available for sale? Nevermind. Anyways, we're on. If I lose, I'll send you the money however you want and you can donate it to chartiy. If I win, you can just send it to Super Dave's. :D
QuoteIf that is the case I will never buy a Yugo Sport
DOnt you be talking bad about my dream car. ;D ;D ;D
I wanna put a 3.8L GNX motor in one and make it look stock. ;D I sooo much wanna play with the little kiddies and their fart canned Civics. ;D
QuoteALright, well whatever. It's on. I'll give you all the info. when I get it.
You do realize I live in Detroit, and I work in the automotive industry right? You do realize that I have contacts with every automanufacturer right? How else do you think I'd get one before it was publically available for sale?
I'm terrified. ;D
;D
QuoteYou do realize I live in Detroit, and I work in the automotive industry right? You do realize that I have contacts with every automanufacturer right?
So you know my uncle Bob? ;D He works over at GM. I think he's a manager or something there. ;D He used to work for Chrysler a few years ago.
QuoteSo you know my uncle Bob? ;D He works over at GM. I think he's a manager or something there. ;D He used to work for Chrysler a few years ago.
Maybe. Who know's. I don't know everyone, but I know enough. 300K people work at GM. If I ever get to know all of them, just shoot me and put me out of my misery. ;D
QuoteMaybe. Who know's. I don't know everyone, but I know enough. 300K people work at GM. If I ever get to know all of them, just shoot me and put me out of my misery. ;D
His last name is Lutz. ;D
QuoteHis last name is Lutz. ;D
That actually sounds familiar...
Work at Pontiac Truck ? GMT Program Manager ?
QuoteThat actually sounds familiar...
Work at Pontiac Truck ? GMT Program Manager ?
please tell me you are joking. Please.
Actually no, I'm not. I think I know a Bob Lutz and I believe he works at Pontiac Truck. I'll check for a business card when I get home.
or wait, are you referring to the Pontiac Truck part?
General Motors Truck Design
Pontiac, MI
Pontiac is the city ... lol. Oh man, if GM release a truck under the Pontiac name, all hell would break loose.
QuoteActually no, I'm not. I think I know a Bob Lutz and I believe he works at Pontiac Truck. I'll check for a business card when I get home.
Dan, I couldn't have done a better job if I had wanted to expose you as a fraud. Big-time auto industry insider trying to figure out who Bob Lutz is. This is better than watching Seinfeld. You just don't know when to cut your losses, do you? ;D ;D ;D
QuoteDan, I couldn't have done a better job if I had wanted to expose you as a fraud. Big-time auto industry insider trying to figure out who Bob Lutz is. This is better than watching Seinfeld. You just don't know when to cut your losses, do you? ;D ;D ;D
Uhm... 300K people work at that company. You don't think there is more than one person at that company that has the same name ??? As far as Chairman Lutz, I've never met him. But, there is a Bob Lutz that works at GM Truck if I remember correctly. There are also 30 people with the last name Hamid. I tired to rind a Reza Hamid one time that was a Infotainment Engineer, and the directory had 13 Reza Hamid's listed in it. So, you didn't expose me as anything you are referring to. Maybe you just don't realize the size of these companies. You'd be surprised. There might actually be a "Harry Ballsonya" working there.
QuoteUhm... 300K people work at that company. You don't think there is more than one person at that company that has the same name ??? As far as Chairman Lutz, I've never met him.
I see you were smart enough to ask your coworkers. ;D
First name is Bob, no Chairman. ;D
And no, I wouldn't expect you to have met him.
I'm at home. Been home all day. No co-workers here. I have to get ready to go to the autoshow tonight. Other than that, been on and off the phone all day.
I figured I'd take advantage of the new forum to dig up this old IOU. I needed to check the terms of this bet. Anyone know how I can collect my $800 from Lying Dan? ;D
Just call him. I believe I have his phone number somewhere around here....let me see... oh, yup, here it is: 269-285-7448. Better known as 269-bul-shit ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Old808 on April 25, 2006, 05:33:55 PM
I figured I'd take advantage of the new forum to dig up this old IOU. I needed to check the terms of this bet. Anyone know how I can collect my $800 from Lying Dan? ;D
Oh Puhleeze, Jeff hasn't enabled a ban button yet! ;D ;D ;D
Dang...the notify button finally gets fixed and this is the first notify post I get! ;D
Last I heard he was working on the President's Oil Industry Price Gouging Task Force ;D
Thanks for bringing back the memories Papa! ;)
Rick