Found this on RoadRacing World's website, a reprint from their letter's section.
QuoteI e-mailed CCS about this problem I've been having, got no response other than we're looking into it. That was a month ago. At the first race of the season at Willow Springs there has been an Amateur racer that has been consistently winning. The only problem is that he's faster than most of the Experts. Kane Lasky was running consistently 1:24.20s while the fastest Experts were running 1:23.80s. Not too bad for an Amateur. He smoked the rest of the field.
At Phoenix the same thing happened, he was just a fraction of a second off of the fastest Experts and even the announcer was saying that during the race. Well, this last weekend in Vegas he was running 1:21 and 1:22s, the same pace as the Experts and in one race without a split start he made his way through the field and passed the first-place Expert rider, Robb Martin.
Shouldn't CCS be doing something about this? This guy is not an Amateur, and has no business being in a class where the riders are truly learning to race. The next thing I'd like to bring up is that the other two riders who actually got to race with him and actually beat him in one race are Experts at WSMC. David Sanders #909 and Jason Britton #749 are both Experts in a different club. Their lap times were also in the 1:21s and 1:22s. How could they have shown an Expert license from another club and get Amateur licenses with CCS?. What's next, am I going to have to race against AMA riders next, because they could probably get an Amateur license, too.
Len Novak
CCS Southwest #191
Las Vegas, Nevada
RRW's reply:
QuoteWSMC makes a guy an Expert after he completes three Novice races without incident, which is not the same as the Novice/Amateur programs used by CCS and WERA. A guy could be called an "Expert" in WSMC and have far less experience than an Amateur in CCS, because everybody is an Expert with WSMC after they finish three races on two wheels. And if this Lasky guy doesn't have any prior racing experience, and based on experience is really an Amateur, it's possible that he's just fast, faster than some guys with Expert ratings. We've seen it before, with Jamie Hacking when he was a WERA Novice; a rider's ranking is based on experience and points, not speed, which is relative anyway. In other words, we're not sure you have a legitimate complaint here....Editor
I couldn't agree with the editor more. Simply because he's fast, he should get bumped? What a bunch of crap. I had the pleasure of racing against him at Road America this past August... that guy was SCREAMING. And I say, more power to him. He wants an Am. National Championship, he's winning, he deserves it. I don't get why people crab and whine about him... why not try to LEARN from him instead?
When I first started racing mid-season this year, here in the Midwest, Andy19 and Chachere227 were the two guys that pretty much mopped up in Am. (granted, they weren't as fast as Kane, but they were still typically 4-5 seconds faster than the rest of the pack.) All that did, was make me want to haul ass to catch them. DanO and I would try to follow 'em around at open practices and track days, watch them during their races, etc. Gives you a goal to shoot for.
I don't get some people. ::) Len, stop whining, and start riding faster. In the meantime, I'll watch Kane's career... and next year, when he starts kicking butt in ProAMA, I can say I used to race against him :)
because these guys will end up second behind him and be bumped up without a chance to win. what is this guys story? is he truly an amateur, or one of the famous "petitioned" amateurs who have prior race experience? if he is truly brand new to the sport, then more power to him. if he has prior experience, then he should be moved up. this happened two years ago with a petitioned wera novice named ed cobb. he won wera national challenge races, and then wera allowed him to remain novicethe following year. he then slaughtered the novice ranks in wera and ccs the entire year. in my opinion that was wrong, and no one in wera or ccs had the backbone to move him up. it happens every year somewhere. unfortunately, you can't police people's integrity.
Since I race in the CCS SW region I guess I will add my comments. Kane has some previous racing experience but it is my understanding that it was a few scattered races over a couple of years. He has recently been able to make the full season and is putting in a large scale effort. He is one of the most dedicated people at the track and deserves to win. The only person to effectively challenge him this year is Dave Sanders who is in his first year of racing. He has a ton of talent and is very fast. Overall I don't mind finishing behind these two because they deserve to be ahead of me. I haven't put in near the effort required to win the races but I am getting up near the top 5 consistently.
My comment to Mr. Novak's article: I am a first year racer with very limited street experience which mostly consisted of riding to work and two canyon rides that actually had curves. At the Las Vegas round (my third weekend racing ever) I finished 8 positions ahead of Mr Novak in MWSB, 2 in MWGP and 12 positions in MWSS. Shouldn't someone be at least be in contention before they actaully start whining about cherrypickers?
agreed. but shouldn't fair competition be an obligation for wera/ccs to provide? where is the line, and how do you enforce it. somebody consistantly walking away from the field in novice ranks seems weird. in expert/pro ranks it's different, but what about amateurs? there is a whole lot of opportunuity for speculation. amateurs beating the expert field is a bit odd don't you think?
???
Why should Amateurs be held to different rules than Expert? "Waaah, he's too fast, it's not fair!" Even tho it's the beginner class, SOMEBODY has to win it.. It's STILL racing!
Complaining that the guys are too fast for you? Fine. Go join NESBA. That's what they're there for.
Litespeed - absolutely. He has NO reason to be whining... he's not in contention to begin with. What, does he think that if Lansy got bumped, then HE would automatically start winning??? I don't think so.
god do people ever read? i said "if it is his first year then great. if he is a petitioned novice then it should be reviewed." the fact is, he's raced before, and is now whipping up on experts. he clearly doesn't belong in the amateur ranks. how do you quantify speed and experience? you can't. i'm not an amateur, i'm just someone who can see what is going on.
i suppose you think martin L. king jr was whining too? it isn't whining to ask about things you percieve to be wrong. the guy wanted an explanation. he got one.
Quotegod do people ever read? i said "if it is his first year then great. if he is a petitioned novice then it should be reviewed."
Perhaps you should read your own posts clearly. He is NOT a "petitioned" amateur. He's never been bumped to expert. This is his first FULL season, he is a TRUE amateur. I verified this myself in talking to the CCS/FUSA officials at the Road America event. He is a true Am. So he can beat most experts. Good for him, he's still an Am. He just happens to be a very FAST Am.
If CCS listens to all the whiners, and bumps him because he wins too much, or because he's too fast, then that paves the road for a horrible future. They bump Lansky, so the guy who usually takes 2nd place starts winning. The whiners whine, he gets bumped. The next guy moves up the ladder, gets bumped, and so on, and so on. Next thing you know, my little sister is winning Am races on her Spree, cuz anybody that can actually ride, gets booted as soon as they start winning.
Sucks for those of us that have to compete against him this year, some people just aren't fast enough to win the championship next to him. It sucks. But that's racing. Quit whining and learn to ride faster.
who's whinig? you certainly aren't talking to me. i iliiustrated that the crurrent rules have been taken advatage of. i asked this guys story. he's beating regularly the front experts, and it's odd. did you think that everyone would agree with on this? sorry that i don't. i'm sure that there is more to this "super novice" than meets the eye. you can try to brow neat me all you like. but amateurs don't, and shouldn't beat the leading experts.
It's my understanding, though through 2nd hand and 3rd hand information, that KL is on an Ex-AMA bike and has committed significant time and money to this season's campaign. If so ???, good for him, he has put in more than the other AM's and its paying off. I can't wait to see him at Daytona, if I make it that far :D There is another CCS and CRA "super" AM being talked about on the WERA board, Steve Atlas.
Sucks for some people, but no more than the guy who's riding a clapped out CBR600F2 every other local race against series regulars who make every Friday track day on a SB prepped 2002 GSXR750. That's racing, and until you get a Full Honda Works MotoGP ride, there is always someone who will out resource you for the next race.
Well I guess Lasky going so fast...just means we all need to ride faster?? ;D ;D
Hell I wish I got a chance to race him. I would of at RA but I'm not going to get into that.....CCS >:( >:(
Anywoo he rails! And I'm sure that he's reading about everyone raggin' about him and he laughing. He soaking it all up! Keep an eye open for him he fast!
As far as he should move up. Maybe but, let him have his glory he'll be expert next year and you all don't have to worrry about him anymore. I'm hoping when I go expert I'm fast enough to contend w/ him. Mads props to him and his ability!
I wish i was that fast and you could complain about me...i would print it all out and put it on my wall ;D
More power to Lasky for whoopin on everyone. Even if he's had limited racing experience prior to this season. I can give you over 10 amateurs in the midwest reason alone that have raced more than 2 full seasons as amateurs who are still racing as amateurs and doing pretty well. What is the big deal? Are they cheating?? No~~ They are following the rules.. and the rules allow you to stay amateur an extra year for whatever reason as long as CCS approves it. God forbid if it weren't for the 500 amatuers in my region that are faster than me.. I would be champion. I hate racing against 600s.. any and all 600 riders should turn expert next year regardless of how many years they've been racing so that I might have a chance in the middleweight races. ::)
Brian -
Instead of complaining about the 600's, why don't you join the fun?
Dawn ;)
What's next, DiSalvo shouldn't be allowed to run in CCS races to bag contingency bucks??? Make Kevin Gordon, Tez & Purk run AMA???
I've worked pretty hard to be in the top of the amateur field, and have been pretty successful in such. That said, I don't resent it when Dan-O comes out and hands me my @ss on a platter!
Sure, I could sulk and say that it's just not fair that he should beat me because I've put on nearly 4000 miles alone at BHF this year and he can come out and BEAT me (after putting on what, like 5 laps?), but instead I congratulate him on a hell of a ride. Then I look at myself to see how I can improve and push myself further.
It's about improvement, and somebody always has to win...
Take a look at the top CCS MW amateurs. They're all running 1:16-1:17's at BHF. That's 1-2 seconds off of the TOP experts race pace...
Do I have a point? Sure... Don't kick a guy just because he's faster than you.
QuoteI wish i was that fast and you could complain about me...i would print it all out and put it on my wall ;D
haha
LMAO
That's what I'm talking about!!!!
QuoteBrian -
Instead of complaining about the 600's, why don't you join the fun?
Dawn ;)
no way jose... those bikes are dangerous! I like my itty bitty bike. Makes me feel like a man. :)
QuoteI like my itty bitty bike. Makes me feel like a man. :)
I absolutely have no come back for that one ???
Dawn :)
;D is only fun and games.....till someone gets an eye poked out......my avtar is not working...hmmmm
There are always riders out there that a physically gifted because of eyesight, reaction time, etc. Back in my day it was Ray Yoder; he was beating up on experts on FZR1000's in the Formula One class. Later it was Tom Wilson. Colin Edwards, Todd Harrington, etc.
Should they be bumped? It's a hard issue. Are they unsafe? No. Do they have the right to race for a championship it their first complete year of racing? I think so. Learning is learning, some just have an advantage over some of us mortals.
How fast should a fast amateur be allowed to go? A fast amateur should go about as fast as a decent expert.
When I started racing, we didn't want to be novices. We all wanted to be experts so that we could go and race for money in bigger races. Now, road racing at the club level has become a place where riders will sit in the amateur classes for years? Being an amateur should be about experience, not about how fast you are. If you're new, you're an amateur. If you've been racing for three years, you know where registration is, you know how to start, you know the flags, get out of the amateur class and be what you are: an expert.
Winning races? There is no right to that or championships. They are nice, but if you feel you can't win on a 600, get a different bike. Try an SV, build a CBR600F2 for Heavyweight Sportsman.
This is all about fun. The classifications have become whinny!!
I don't know how much race experience Kane has, but whether its a few races over a few years, or just street riding, he's still an Amateur. He has put in a ton of effort this season. He reaces CCS SW and Pacific, and do you know where he lives? Boise Idaho!!! Do you know how far Boise is from Phoenix ? over 1000 miles! That's dedication.
He drives a huge camper with a trailer himself, and he hasn't missed any races that I can see. I saw him at Buttonwillow this year. Dude was BY HIMSELF. I helped him get his bike on and off the stand a few times when i could, but he was racing all weekend with no help.
Yeah he's fast. He's fast as hell. And next year, if he even bothers with CCS, all the experts are gonna have to watch out. Kane's not spotting you guys a head start anymore...
Go Kane!
crg
CCS SW #337 Am.
::) and next year he'll disappear. right into the crowd he SHOULD have been racing with. bye kane. :-*
Everyone's forgetting Chris Weeden let's make him race AMAPro too... ha,ha.
I think if you are slow and someone shows/reminds you that you are... It's just a rude awakening. Just shows us that we can all go faster. 8)
unless someone's beating gobert, they can all go faster. ::) that analogy doesn't apply here. speed is relative.
QuoteIt's my understanding, though through 2nd hand and 3rd hand information, that KL is on an
Ex-AMA bike
and has committed significant time and money to this season's campaign. If so ???, good for him, he has put in more than the other AM's and its paying off. I can't wait to see him at Daytona, if I make it that far :D There is another CCS and CRA "super" AM being talked about on the WERA board, Steve Atlas.
are ama bikes cheating in ccs am ranks, or expert ranks ?? cuz i want one!!!
if that is the way to finish an entire straight (or two) from gxr 750's on a 6.
i had a supersport head job done on my f4, in mid season, and it sooo felt like i was cheatin ;D, that was a serious bump in horses, but you know, kevin gordon told me, after complimenting my improvements over the season, and i said "oh, the bike is faster" he said, "maybe, but you've got to ride it."
no one commented on the possibility of equiptment superiority, and or legality. i had mechanical issues at road-a (and not like you dan-0) was happy not to be in that field, the way kane creamed!!! like i said, i know a fast amatuer who was on a gxr750, but you know, when the checkered flew, there was only one bike in view ( all weekend).
dont mistake this ( dont get it twisted ) ive seen competitors in am races where it doesnt matter what bike (ama factory ride) you put them on, they wont finish in the top 10. (ive even passed experts from the second wave)
i say "big up's" to all racers, as well as whoever rides a motorcycle. im a fan!
everyone who cant afford a motorcycle (anyone know what thats about?) but likes em and wants to ride, YOU GO---->
i think if the fastest guy is .10 of a second faster, or 5 seconds, the next best guy, is going to be 2nd.
i dont know what im talkin about, just aint been on the board in awhile ;D
babble with you all soon....
Quoteno way jose... those bikes are dangerous! I like my itty bitty bike. Makes me feel like a man. :)
all bikes are dangerous, bri... you know that...
you corner faster, and you still get up to.... what??
how are your top straight speeds on that 374 tz machine anyway ??
Well, as far as *I* can tell, Kane does NOT have an ex-AMA bike. DanO watched one of the middleweight holeshots at RA, and in the one he watched, his bike wasn't any faster than Borowitz. If Kane had an extra 20hp on top of everybody, he wouldn't have been walked like he did. Unless Borowitz ALSO has a cheater bike, but I doubt it. Kane pitted a few spots away from us... from what DanO and I could tell, the bike looked like a stock 600, with a shock, forks, and a slip-on.
I firmly believe that racing motorcycles is 90% rider, and 10% machine. It just so happens that Kane's 90% is much bigger than most of us.
Quote::) and next year he'll disappear. right into the crowd he SHOULD have been racing with. bye kane. :-*
I don't think he will. I think once given stronger competition in Expert, he'll just get even faster.
My bet is that we'll see him as a top ProAMA privateer before too long.
QuoteIt's my understanding, though through 2nd hand and 3rd hand information, that KL is on an Ex-AMA bike and has committed significant time and money to this season's campaign. If so ???, good for him, he has put in more than the other AM's and its paying off. I can't wait to see him at Daytona, if I make it that far :D There is another CCS and CRA "super" AM being talked about on the WERA board, Steve Atlas.
Sucks for some people, but no more than the guy who's riding a clapped out CBR600F2 every other local race against series regulars who make every Friday track day on a SB prepped 2002 GSXR750. That's racing, and until you get a Full Honda Works MotoGP ride, there is always someone who will out resource you for the next race.
Atlas is not an AM in WERA , why is he in CCS? ???
???What's with all the whinning? it seems like everyone is so concerned with what he should be doing, that noone is doing the right thing themselves. I think if someone is faster than me, that's fine but, I'm sure going to try to learn what their doing that I'm not! I've never seen him race, but I'd like to now, since everyone's :'(. He is probably an ex racer o fsome sort whether it was dirt track or motorcross or whatever, but by the sound of it he must have this stuff figured out pretty well. And just remember anyone can be beaten, I don't care how good they are. Sounds like he may beat some people before he unloads his bike. How many of you walk through the pits figuring out where you will finish, or tell yourselves "I hope i can stay with ..."
I have a mx background and hope to do well in my first season, next year, but just like in mx 90% of racing is the rider 10% is the machine, and 75% of your riders part is in your head. so stop the :'(
oh that is such bullshit. if you are beating most experts, why the hell are you racing in the amateurs? no reason, other than to feed your ego. every trophy/championship is hollow as a flute. get your a$$ where you belong, racing with people of your caliber. not beating the equivilent of 10 year olds. give me a break. all of these "super amateurs" dissappear when they go expert. ::)
Quoteoh that is such bullshit. if you are beating most experts, why the hell are you racing in the amateurs? no reason, other than to feed your ego. every trophy/championship is hollow as a flute. get your a$$ where you belong, racing with people of your caliber. not beating the equivilent of 10 year olds. give me a break. all of these "super amateurs" dissappear when they go expert. ::)
Dude you need to can the jealousy issue. Seriously. What's wrong with going for an amateur championship? He's an am, he's fast, and he obviously busts his butt for it (1000 miles for a race weekend??? Sh*t, I don't like driving 100 miles!) Who cares if his caliber is more of an Expert. Maybe his goal really IS to go pro - o you know how expensive that is??? Do you know how much easier it is to get big-dollar sponsors if you can stick a few championships on your resume? I know for a fact that he's going for the NRRS Amateur Championship (I'm sure that's aside from any SW local stuff...) The NRRS is a BIG deal, it's a NATIONAL series, and that's reason alone to stick it out in Am.
There's always gonna be the guys full of excuses. His bike is bike is newer/faster/better, the officials don't like me, the winner shouldn't be allowed in this class. Those guys are the people destined never to improve, destined always to be the backmarkers. Because rather than learn, they just cry and make excuses. It must suck to be one of them.
Not all "Super Amateurs" disappear.
After pounding everyone at the end of 1991 at the GNF and ROC, Colin Edwards raced the AMA 250GP race at Miami and finished second (about a month later). After finishing at the front in the Honda Interceptor Challenge at the GNF in 1986 as an amateur, Scott Zampach made a living off Suzuki Cup money the next year. There are others.
There are people that look at amateur racing as an opportunity to learn. Some learn a bit quicker than others, and some never really learn. Some sponsors see the amateur year as a good opportunity to start getting behind these Super Amateurs. And I think they have a right too. They don't want those riders to be there long, but they would like the opportunity to have some press. And that's why we have sponsors, because there is press that is available.
On the flip side of Super Amateurs, what do you do with multi year amateurs? I think they should be moved up. Eventually, you've got it pretty figured out. The track goes this way, registation is here. You know how to go around the race track safely. What more is there?
colin edwards went expert as soon as he kicked all the amateurs asses. which was the right thing to do. look i'm an expert, it's not a jealousy thing to me. i just think it's rediculous and sad to run around all by yourself taking all the wood just because you can. will his resume say "rode with a bunch of pre-schoolers and beat them all" or should it say "consistantly ran at the front of the expert/pro rider field" this clown is wasting time. and ruining competition for the real amateur riders. every race i won as an amateur was a dogfight to get. if i was going out and knowing i was going to win every race, then A. it's not racing, and B. it's a hollow victory at best.
A nerve? Colin Edwards?
He didn't go expert ASAP. He pounded the amateur ranks in 1991, South West Motorsports gobbled him up and saw that they could do something. So, they kept him an amateur all year, and he won a bunch of races at ROC on full blown RC30 Superbikes, AMA Pro 250 GP bikes, and AMA supersport bikes. He won amateur championships. Mind you, a few years prior he was a mini motocross world champion.
The AMA had a road race that year through the streets of Miami in November. You have to have expert points to get a pro license. So, WERA and CCS went through all the races and calculated all the points that he would have received if he were an expert. The races that were recalculated were combined races that he beat experts in too, in addition to the amateur field. So, if he finished lets say fifth overall, first expert, they calculated the points he would have received being fifth.
Needless to say, the next year, 1992, Colin won the AMA 250GP championship having never really been an expert. From amateur ROC star to AMA Pro champion in the course of a year.
Should Colin have gone expert during the 1991 season? Probably, but it didn't happen.
Colin wasn't racing for wood. SWMS and Colin were gaining experience. He did take riders school at the beginning of the 1991 season. He had never road raced before. It was all pretty new to him and his family.
You may be fast, but you might not be experienced. Experience will keep you from getting hurt. You wouldn't want inexperienced riders racing among riders that have the experience to get inexperienced riders hurt. That's unsafe. I think that is the real issue that is always at hand.
sooooooooo....... what experience do you get running away from real amateurs? experience is leaning on someone else at the same rate of speed through a corner. trust me, all the hollow trophies in the world won't give you experience. racing will though. like i said. this guy is no colin edwards. it's already been said he has prior racing experience. just wasting time he is. {yoda voice}
Man...Just give it more GAS!! ;D ;D
Quotewill his resume say "rode with a bunch of pre-schoolers and beat them all" or should it say "consistantly ran at the front of the expert/pro rider field" .
No, his resume is going to read:
2002 Southwest Regional Amateur MW SS Champion
2002 Southwest Regional Amateur MW SB Champion
2002 Southwest Regional Amateur HW SS Champion
2002 Southwest Regional Amateur HW SB Champion
2002 NATIONAL Amateur MW SS Champion
2002 NATIONAL Amateur MW SB Champion
2002 NATIONAL Amateur HW SS Champion
2002 NATIONAL Amateur HW SB Champion
2002 NRRS Amateur Champion
And he'll have a stats section that looks something like (I don't know what his actual stats are, this is just an example...)
Never finished outside top 3. Won 190/200 races entered in first season. Etc....
Nowhere do I see it saying preschoolers anywhere. The average Joe who picks up his resume is gonna look at that and say "WOW... this guy f'ing mops up! He must be really good!" They're not gonna stand there, saying "Huh, if he wins all the time, I don't know why he doesn't go up a class.."
QuoteNo, his resume is going to read:
2002 Southwest Regional Amateur MW SS Champion
2002 Southwest Regional Amateur MW SB Champion
2002 Southwest Regional Amateur HW SS Champion
2002 Southwest Regional Amateur HW SB Champion
2002 NATIONAL Amateur MW SS Champion
2002 NATIONAL Amateur MW SB Champion
2002 NATIONAL Amateur HW SS Champion
2002 NATIONAL Amateur HW SB Champion
2002 NRRS Amateur Champion
And he'll have a stats section that looks something like (I don't know what his actual stats are, this is just an example...)
Never finished outside top 3. Won 190/200 races entered in first season. Etc....
Nowhere do I see it saying preschoolers anywhere. The average Joe who picks up his resume is gonna look at that and say "WOW... this guy f'ing mops up! He must be really good!" They're not gonna stand there, saying "Huh, if he wins all the time, I don't know why he doesn't go up a class.."
and that's why i shall not argue with you anymore. "don't argue with morons, they'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!" ;)
The D_O_C:
I think you are just trying to stir up trouble again.... :o
Nice quote - I noticed one of the poster's on the WERA board uses a verson of that quote as their signature line. I have passed it on myself.
Dawn :)
I just got a call from Max Biaggi. He said Kane Lasky is slow.
LOL ;D LOL ;D
That made my day!
Dawn ;)
Shoudln't you actually race against a person before you start whining about what classes they should race in? I have personally been on the track with Kane several times (admitedly I have only seen him after the first couple of laps on very few occasions) and I have no problem with him being an amateur. The person that originally wrote the letter has reason to gripe because HE actually races against (for lack of a better word) Kane.
QuoteShoudln't you actually race against a person before you start whining about what classes they should race in? I have personally been on the track with Kane several times (admitedly I have only seen him after the first couple of laps on very few occasions) and I have no problem with him being an amateur. The person that originally wrote the letter has reason to gripe because HE actually races against (for lack of a better word) Kane.
no clown, i shouldn't. it's a public forum and public opinion is solicited. i say this kane fella is out of place, you say he isn't. there you go. :-*
QuoteI just got a call from Max Biaggi. He said Kane Lasky is slow.
senor DeSioux, (again) not to be out-done by you (tho my phone didnt ring)
i calls my buddy ( http://images.motograndprix.com/multimedia/85/85374.jpg )
valentino (fellow honda guy 8) )
and he's all....... "kane aint all that bad, but max aught not comment, he's the slow one ! "
just relay'n a message...............
i found a couple of pics from Road-A 8/1&2
http://www.formulausapics.com/2002WI/NRRS/ALL/pages/RA0802PM_153.htm
http://www.formulausapics.com/2002WI/NRRS/ALL/pages/RA0802PM_154.htm
copy and paste, if you hv 2
that is turn1 at the start of a race that i participated in,
uuuuuhhhh...... kane was ...uhhh railin ??
yeah, it took a while for us to get to turn one behind him.......
he was finishin like 14 seconds b4 2nd place
>:(
Only if he is racing against himself, does staying an amateur have any value to him. Otherwise, he should bump up. I agree.
Championships? They are nice on a piece of paper, but to the real world that has to wheel and deal sponsorships, it's not really much more than a piece of paper.
It does show commitment and some financial fortitude. Expert championships are nice too, but still not necessarily all they are cracked up to be. Following a major series with a regular group of players will really show who can do it.
Quotesenor DeSioux, (again) not to be out-done by you (tho my phone didnt ring)
i calls my buddy ( http://images.motograndprix.com/multimedia/85/85374.jpg )
valentino (fellow honda guy 8) )
and he's all....... "kane aint all that bad, but max aught not comment, he's the slow one ! "
just relay'n a message...............
Ike,
Giacomo Agostini just read your post and called me and told me to tell you to tell Rossi that he shouldn't talk about anyone being slow until he wins 15 World Championships. ;D
QuoteIke,
Giacomo Agostini just read your post and called me and told me to tell you to tell Rossi that he shouldn't talk about anyone being slow until he wins 15 World Championships. ;D
yes, Mr. DeSioux,
this board is an international one, and is viewable by us all.
first off, those words that Ike wrote about talking to me is untrue.
Max and i are not the best of friends, he's ok, but none the less slow ;)
you guys are making funny jokes here, but the real truth is that Giacomo
knows that I'm enroute to my personal goal of 25 World Championships,
and am in a comfortable place in my own mind, as I have a decent start at it.
and let that also serve as words of wisdom to you and all "you need a good start!"
pay attention to your 'contact patch'
8)
Quoteyes, Mr. DeSioux,
this board is an international one, and is viewable by us all.
first off, those words that Ike wrote about talking to me is untrue.
Max and i are not the best of friends, he's ok, but none the less slow ;)
you guys are making funny jokes here, but the real truth is that Giacomo
knows that I'm enroute to my personal goal of 25 World Championships,
and am in a comfortable place in my own mind, as I have a decent start at it.
and let that also serve as words of wisdom to you and all "you need a good start!"
pay attention to your 'contact patch'
8)
Valentino,
Congratulation to you for fantastic victory. I come from back after much bad start. I catch everyone including max then go behind you. You ride very fast and rhythm is very good. you see me and you try to go but I go with you. You try hard to go again and I go with you when I pass your rhthym not so good as me. So I push and push and try to go so I feel bad for championship so you win. Congratulation to you and team for good championship. So I feel good rhythm and Yamaha is very good. So next year win and win so to championship for me. Max ride good but rhythm so not fast as me so I overtake to win but not so good to push in the rain. So I give championship to you.
Carlos Checa
Factory Yamaha MotoGP Rider
2003 MotoGP Champion
QuoteValentino,
I come from back after much bad start.
Carlos Checa
Factory Yamaha MotoGP Rider
2003 MotoGP
hello Carlos,
remember....
"you need a good start!"
and 2003 not here yet ....
brian,
you play too much !!! LOLOL
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have mixed feelings about this. There's a lot of guys that have been in this situation, and they sometimes get bumped, sometimes not.
Nate Kern got bumped involuntarily after Daytona this year, he never got the chance to complete a full amateur season. Chris Beck had a great year last year and got his championship. Looking for more competition, Len Santangelo bumped voluntarily this year after winning just about every race he entered. Tomer Levy is now doing great. All of these guys will be (or already are) fast experts.
I argued pretty hard with Kevin Elliot about bumping Nate, and lost. In retrospect, it has been better for Nate, and Kevin made the right call.
On the flip side, an amateur championship is something that you should get only one shot at, and it's a shame if it's taken away due to good performance. Some guys are in this just for the fun - and an amateur championship means a lot to them. Other guys are using it as a stepping stone to (hopefully) something bigger.
QuoteValentino,
Congratulation to you for fantastic victory. I come from back after much bad start. I catch everyone including max then go behind you. You ride very fast and rhythm is very good. you see me and you try to go but I go with you. You try hard to go again and I go with you when I pass your rhthym not so good as me. So I push and push and try to go so I feel bad for championship so you win. Congratulation to you and team for good championship. So I feel good rhythm and Yamaha is very good. So next year win and win so to championship for me. Max ride good but rhythm so not fast as me so I overtake to win but not so good to push in the rain. So I give championship to you.
Carlos Checa
Factory Yamaha MotoGP Rider
2003 MotoGP Champion
LMAO!!! You guys are crackin my sh*t up!!!
QuoteValentino,
Congratulation to you for fantastic victory. I come from back after much bad start. I catch everyone including max then go behind you. You ride very fast and rhythm is very good. you see me and you try to go but I go with you. You try hard to go again and I go with you when I pass your rhthym not so good as me. So I push and push and try to go so I feel bad for championship so you win. Congratulation to you and team for good championship. So I feel good rhythm and Yamaha is very good. So next year win and win so to championship for me. Max ride good but rhythm so not fast as me so I overtake to win but not so good to push in the rain. So I give championship to you.
Carlos Checa
Factory Yamaha MotoGP Rider
2003 MotoGP Champion
Carlos!!!! You are the man! I believe you will win the championship in 2003. :)
QuoteCarlos!!!! You are the man! I believe you will win the championship in 2003. :)
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Quote drrrrrrrr
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Hola Rossifumi
for sure you cannot call Senor Checa dreamer. Carlos is so much determined maybe cause some crash. He possess the heart of lion to go very fast and brave. For sure maybe he will be champion in 2003! So you will be top speed of the Yamaha M1 very close to Honda for win in 2003. Dreamer you will be to call Spanish rider no good! For sure I will win Spanish Grand Prix next year so maybe you dream to grow full beard.
Adios
Sete Gibernau
Telefonica Movistar Suzuki
2003 MotoGP runner up
QuoteHola Rossifumi
Carlos is so much determined maybe cause some crash. He possess the heart of lion to go very fast and brave. For sure
maybe
he will be champion in 2003! So you will be top speed of the Yamaha M1
very close to Honda
for win in 2003.
Adios
Sete Gibernau
Telefonica Movistar Suzuki
2003 MotoGP
Senor Sete,
you say 'maybe', you say 'very close'.....
i show you 2003, in 2003.
thank you
http://images.motograndprix.com/multimedia/151/151563.jpg
isn't this the same stuff I heard last year about Matt (don't remember his last name). I whitnessed Matt race at Buttonwillow last year.. That dude was a FAST amatuer.. I've also seen Dave, and Kane running this year.. Both are fast..
Bottom line.. Quit whining.. just go faster.
or.. just do trackdaz ;D
QuoteSenor Sete,
you say 'maybe', you say 'very close'.....
i show you 2003, in 2003.
thank you
http://images.motograndprix.com/multimedia/151/151563.jpg
Valentino,
you have disgraced yourself and your famiry!
Sayonara
Daijiro
QuoteValentino,
you have disgraced yourself and your famiry!
Sayonara
Daijiro
i cant stop laughin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QuoteValentino,
you have disgraced yourself and your famiry!
Sayonara
Daijiro
Daijiro san..
It is not possible believing that you should race 250cc championship last year. You should have moved up to 500class because you are much faster than the rest of the 250cc class instead you win 11 races to win 250cc world championship. So like American says you are olive picker!
Ciao
Marco Melandri
Dude you guys... seriously... I'm gonna piss my pants... LOL!!!
"Olive Picker"
LMAO!!!!!!!
I hope you don't mind, I'm gonna use that one...
QuoteI have mixed feelings about this. There's a lot of guys that have been in this situation, and they sometimes get bumped, sometimes not.
On the flip side, an amateur championship is something that you should get only one shot at, and it's a shame if it's taken away due to good performance. Some guys are in this just for the fun - and an amateur championship means a lot to them. Other guys are using it as a stepping stone to (hopefully) something bigger.
I agree. You should be allowed to have the opportunity to get an amateur championship. Even a Daytona ROC win.
Our here in the Midwest, I've seen four to seven year amateurs race and start really winning. Obviously, these guys are expeienced enough that they are experts.
Then I've seen older riders (one who's son also races) get bumped to expert. He was a first year amateur, raced a good number of races during last season, and finished mid pack. Made him go expert even when he asked to remain an amateur, etc.
Don't understand why there is a standard for some and none for others.
QuoteOur here in the Midwest, I've seen four to seven year amateurs race and start really winning. Obviously, these guys are expeienced enough that they are experts.
Then I've seen older riders (one who's son also races) get bumped to expert. He was a first year amateur, raced a good number of races during last season, and finished mid pack. Made him go expert even when he asked to remain an amateur, etc.
Now this, I agree (or disagree with CCS) with. If there are guys that have been running Am for 5-7 years, and do reasonably well each year... YES, go to Expert.
ok, serious, lets use me......
i took class week one, (saturday gateway 3/23) didnt have backing to race on sunday (money), dbl points missed (even saturday), ....i race 2 races a weekend for the next two race weekends, then a few weekends with mechanical downs mixed in with a couple of falls (no major, just missed races)
so, i finish 14th overall, and the top 3 guys were/are just not catchable because basicly they raced 4 to 8 dbl points races in week one, plus they knew everything they needed to know to have a good year, i started out wanting to experience road racing, had no clue if i'd be competitive, ask
mike c.227/midwest/gp/gl points leader, i didnt know how to change a tire.
but i end up winning a race, got 3, 4ths and 3, 5ths ... not enough to brag on, but i feel comfy saying that im a top 5 racer, definately top ten,....
point is, im not intimidated to go expert, at all, so finishing just outside the top ten (of 300) maybe i should make room for new amatuers, but what are you guy's and girls' opinion on it ,that i dont think i had a real chance at a championship, note, i want to race at least 3/4 dbl points races to open the season, and with that i wont be comfortable staying amatuer, but i dont think i had a shot this year, mike, andy and dave were gone---> b4 i knew points were being tallied (joking)