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Motorcycle Racing => Wrenching => Topic started by: smoke on February 01, 2004, 07:05:31 AM

Title: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: smoke on February 01, 2004, 07:05:31 AM
Has anyone had an issue with the bike going past 43o lean angle in a turn?
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: WebCrush on February 01, 2004, 04:25:00 PM
the issue isn't that you'll trigger it from simply leaning over, but in the case of a slide/catch its quite easy to set it off.

I filled mine with silicone.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: smoke on February 01, 2004, 04:44:26 PM
Does the silicone do? make the sensor think is at 0 all the time or clog it so at can't move to the 43o mark?
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Tourdot675 on February 01, 2004, 11:17:03 PM
Hopefully this (http://www.mototuneusa.com/tip_over_switch.htm) will explain it a bit better for ya...

P.S. your banner loads way slow there WebCrush
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Nate R on February 01, 2004, 11:47:18 PM
Webcrush, all your site pics were loading REAL slow when I was just there.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Steviebee on February 02, 2004, 05:31:47 AM
I never filled mine in.

I've had the bike leaned over far enough to grind the stock pegs.  

But i like that fact that when i crash and the bike is on its side the motor shuts off,  instead of running on for a minute without getting any oil !

my 2 cents
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: tzracer on February 02, 2004, 05:45:23 AM
Note that the newer Suzuki tip over switch (at least on the 03 SV650) is completely different than the one in the photo.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: lilbuj on February 02, 2004, 12:17:18 PM
fill the sensor with glycerin.  It will slow down the reaction time but in the event the bike is on its side it will still shut off.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Thingy on February 02, 2004, 03:00:48 PM
Quotethe issue isn't that you'll trigger it from simply leaning over, but in the case of a slide/catch its quite easy to set it off.

I filled mine with silicone.

Filling with silicone is common fix.  However, silicone makes it very hard to convert it back.  I simply put two zip ties on eah side of the ring.  The zip ties don't give the ring enough room to move and are easy to remove when the time comes.

PS - Crush is right about how it triggers.  You shouldn't have any problems just leaning over in the corners.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: WebCrush on February 02, 2004, 05:11:43 PM
damn virus out on the public networks is clogging up all the local routers so everything is running slow.

reason I siliconed my dead was cuz

1--it was a racebike with no chance of going back

2--i've yet to crash on the damn thing and have the engine keep running
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: smoke on February 03, 2004, 01:10:26 PM
cool  thanks all
I will be filling it in as its never going to be anything but a race bike and I've had bad rear slides that have almost put me on my azz on the old bike.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Decreasing_Dave on February 11, 2004, 01:17:15 AM
Any idea where I can find the one on an '03 R6.

Mine caused me not to finish a race 'uz I couldn't get it to cycle back on. :-/

Until I got back to the pits >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Steviebee on February 11, 2004, 08:33:12 AM
Quotedamn virus out on the public networks is clogging up all the local routers so everything is running slow.

reason I siliconed my dead was cuz

1--it was a racebike with no chance of going back

2--i've yet to crash on the damn thing and have the engine keep running


really!! the bike stops running.  I guess i thought it would keep running.  maybee i will glue mine.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Eric Kelcher on February 11, 2004, 04:48:58 PM
They do keep running for 30 secs or sometimes more if you have a full fuel load. ANd three possible problems.

1 suck dirt into a compromised intake system

2. no oil at pick-up

3. catch the bike on fire with leaking fuel/grass/hay etc
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Tourdot675 on February 12, 2004, 07:56:05 AM
My take on it is do you want to be safer while riding and avoid a possible crash because of it...or be safe after a crash?  Anything can happen, and to try to provide for every possible circumstance is impossible.  I would think that most people would be more prone to avoid the incident all together than to try to provide for the possibilities of a crash.

I realize that it's pretty much a matter of time before we all crash...that's the nature of the sport.  But to focus on the 'when I crash' seems like the wrong thinking to me...

Just my two cents.  ;)
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: WebCrush on February 12, 2004, 05:19:03 PM
of course it shuts down, do me a test favor sometime.

take your bike, come to a full stop and don't pull in the clutch--tell me what happens
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: Eric Kelcher on February 13, 2004, 03:33:48 AM
When bike is laying on its side rear tire is off the ground.

I totally agree with need to keep bike from shutting off in highside recovery scenario, but eliminating tip over switch is not really the answer using a system that doesn't shut down instantly is. The R6 system has a 4-5 sec delay and would be what I would use.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: WebCrush on February 13, 2004, 10:49:31 AM
yes, if you lay your bike on its side, there is a chance the rear tire will be lifted off the ground, though definitely not a guarantee with the Y2k gixxers.

At the same time, I have found the bike will stall before it gets to that point
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: tzracer on February 16, 2004, 10:22:52 AM
I think shutting off the fuel pump is more important than whether the bike continues to run or not. If the fuel system is compromised, the fuel pump can continue to run pumping fuel all over the place regardless of whether the bike is running or not.
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: GregR6 on February 19, 2004, 07:19:08 AM
QuoteAny idea where I can find the one on an '03 R6.

Mine caused me not to finish a race 'uz I couldn't get it to cycle back on. :-/

Until I got back to the pits >:( >:( >:(

Dave, on the 03 R6, it's the furthest back electrical component inside the battery tray on the left side. It's kinda under a subframe crossmember. It will say "UP" on it and has 2 screws holding it in.

My .02 is I don't think it's much of an issue for most bikes, but now I'm curious to open it up just to see it...  8)
Title: Re: Tip Sensor on 2k2 gsxr 600
Post by: G1K@work on February 25, 2004, 04:46:55 AM
You can put a capacitor in the tip over system to delay the circuit from cutting the engine.  I can provide details if anyone is interested.


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