Here is a poll maybe the powers that be will look at it.
Now remember that qualifing would be the BEST way..but we know we are not going to get that so don't say no just for that reason ;D
No matter what way you do it I'm gonna be in 2nd wave. :P
That's ok you will be ahead on my i'll be in the 3rd ;D
Maybe Edmunds was onto something. You can't just demand an INC. CO. to abolish i'ts M/O or bussiness model on a whim. Company's you have sucsessfully run are ? I thought so. Let this Company generate revenue as they see fit. If it doesn't work for you, seek other avenues that do and they will flourish.
Polls are hipe and don't reflect reality.
Regards,
K Norris
Well then why did you bother looking at it then???? It says poll before you ever come in unless you want to come in and vote then don't bother....besides unless you have some dealings with this matter stay out of it..sound good?...thought so! ;D
Let me see. If I am a frontrunner every week or possibly I win every week, I should get the grid possition that would favor me winning again??? Hmmm, Yep I'm for that!!!!!
LOL...yeah..but if you are that good you have earned the right to be up front..everyone else gives the faster rider(racer) in anything the front...
QuoteMaybe Edmunds was onto something. You can't just demand an INC. CO. to abolish i'ts M/O or bussiness model on a whim. Company's you have sucsessfully run are ? I thought so. Let this Company generate revenue as they see fit. If it doesn't work for you, seek other avenues that do and they will flourish.
Polls are hipe and don't reflect reality.
Regards,
K Norris
Kevin,
Company that I successfully run is Philadelphia Web Creations. Custom Web Application/Software Development Firm. I am the president and founder. I have created and produced handheld/webbased solutions that is being adapted by more than 5 universities and 2 school districts in PA. Also on the way of receiving national recognition and growing in to an emerging post-crash technology company.
?'s ? thought so.
Lets not presume so much of who is club racing motorcycles and who is willing to bring out issues. You never know who you are talking to online.
Best Regards,
Dafan
Oh ya, while we on this subject,
Companies who does not listen to their loyal customers, and refuse to change its product based on demand is a failing venture (eventually). It does not sound like you run a very successful company, or even involved in doing so, Kevin.
Why does Walmart do so well and KMart files for bankrupcy, Kevin?
Well for one thing, there is 2 threads on the site that has to deal with real issuses that us, CCS racers have concerns with. Where is the CCS presence. They have been at the top of the board for over 3 weeks. The points were promised to be updated on 7/8 "tomorrow the latest"
That does not sound like a winning business practice, Kevin.
ClearChannel owes half of my block, why can't FUSA get on speed vision? Why they can't hire someone(oh god anyone) to keep the website updated?
I get the feeling that CCS was just a liability to CC, and they are just trying to rake in as much $$$ as they could right now, to recoup the past losses.
Now if me (or you) has a major sponsor lined up who knows nothing about racing, and gives you a 50,000 check, which series would you race in? Would it be the one who post the results with the sponsor name next to yours? Or a org. from whom you can't get results from? I thought so Kevin.
Next time I am taking the results with me at the end of race weekend. End of story. at least I can help some guys on here know how they did on Sat.
gay medic? is that you? ;) way to stir up stink!! {i'm so proud!}
kevin is a definite schleprock if he thinks that stagnant behaviour is good for a company. BTW kevin, i run a succesful business too.
the fastest guy in pro racing starts out on pole. why not in this application. why should the fastest "stamp licker" get pole only to get his paint sucked off into turn one? lap times win races, not pre-entries. why make it harder on the guys who deserve to be up front by passing the "stamp licker?"
so a racer who is slower but has more points by simply participating in more races gets gridded in front? Nope. Doesn't work for me. :P
A person could always improve their starting line skills if they wanted better position going into T1... ;D ;D ;D
Dave,
Are you suggesting using the class-specific Performance Index instead of overall or class points as a basis for determining grid positions?
I kinda like entry order right now. It gives me a shot a gridding in front if I just get off my lazy butt and register earlier.
I would really like to see gridding based upon fastest times from a friday practice used first and then "day of" practices, then your class specific performance index, then registration order. Sounds like a lot of work to me...
Quoteso a racer who is slower but has more points by simply participating in more races gets gridded in front? Nope. Doesn't work for me. :P
surely you weren't serious?!? you would be gridded by your points in each class. ::)
That's right, grid by CLASS points, not TOTAL points.
although someone who attend every race weekend would more likely to have more points, but finishing in the front awards more points. Thats why the point scale is staggered. 65 for first, and only 41 for 10th etc.
And also REMEMBER: ROC is grided by class points in the season. Does that mean people can buy national championship by attending every race weekend? Maybe, but that is an award for consistency.
I think the most important thing about gridding is I want to be in the first 5 rows (first wave). That is 21 spots. I think most of the contenders in any of the race weekends are higher than 21st in the class point standings.
Look at the class point standings, how many people who are tp 15 in each class have a less than 500 performance index? Not too many, so most people with more points have earned so by finish top 15, rather than attending events.
Look at me, I finish around 15th every race this season, with some better and worse finishes. I missed 2 races out of the first 6, and I am listed in top 15 in every classes I race in. To grid me 15th I think is fair. Because not one person have a lower performance index infront of me.
Ok i just feel like typing :-)...R6 i'm gonna pick on you..lol...only cause you were the last one to post here.. :-)...ok:
Say R6 and I are #1 and #2 in points and he leads me by..hmmm 20 points and the next race is worth 30 for 1st...now he has some money peoblems and is not able to reg. till like the day before the race. now he should not have to start way back when he is running for the points he should be up there with me racing for points...if i am going to beat him it is going to be because i won on the track...not because i had more money than him that month...that is not racing....ok...sorry just had to say that...lol
Out in the Mid-West, there are guys that enter ALL of there classes in January. They can consistently be in the way, and they can consistently keep toward the front even when loosing time. How far back can they go?
Points would be the most reasonable way. Make the grids by points. The updated points are usually available by CCS workers. However, pre entries have been lost or sent to the wrong place. Then you get that fixed by having a guy tossed into front row creating a safety issue.
You said it...hey and i'm one of them....i just started and i don't need to be on the front row..i'll slow everyone down...that BEST way to do it would be with qualifing but they will never have time for that
since I was "picked" on lol earlier, here is a real scenario.
I was at summit point racing. registered 17 days ahead of race. showed up and found myself on the 8th row.
I got a great start, and caught 1st wave by turn 3. spent 4 laps to get to 12th. Then I got behind the guy who started on pole, but slower than the faster guys. I could not make a safe pass and was behind for the rest of the race and end up 12th.
I don't have the experience and guts necessary to make a pass easily. so grid position makes a difference. I ride well on a clear track, and I don't want to risk anyone(including myself) by forcing a pass.
I run the same laptime as my buddy does who is always in the top 5 and even won his first race that weekend (congrats :D). but I can't even race him (its always fun) because I am so far back. He ended up winning by the whole straight.
Bottom line is, we should be able to race and win from any positions if the race is long enough (I don't care if I start GTU in second wave). But for safety concerns it is better to grid by ability and laptime. Assume you will aways finish in the top 20 if you are one of the faster guys, the the 1st wave would be series regulars.
Otherwise a guy who just took the race school in july and didn't even get in a race, can register now for Oct. and be gridded on the 4th row. Be in the middle of the 1st wave packing into turn 1. that is not something I want to think about. I was a part of such a pile up before... and have my knee to thank for it.
Right now there is no incentive for me to run the rest of the season. I still havent registered for the last 2 races, I am no where near the top of the standings, and I don't have the bike to compete at Daytona. I may have to wait til next year to try again, and save the money to register in Jan.
I agree with gridding by points by class, as i stated in the other thread. And I am saying that having the ability to pre-enter all races in January, because I feel by points is fairer regardless of anyones upfront entry $ situation.
R6_philly - your incentive to race should be to get better! The only way is with more track time. Nothing for nothing, but I entered this season not caring about anything but learning and getting better. Period. As you get better, you will be able to easily pass that 10th place guy, then better still the 5th plac guy, etc...
Granted, there are certain tracks where its harder to pass than others, but that is also part of the learning curve :)
QuoteR6_philly - your incentive to race should be to get better! The only way is with more track time. Nothing for nothing, but I entered this season not caring about anything but learning and getting better. Period. As you get better, you will be able to easily pass that 10th place guy, then better still the 5th plac guy, etc...
I was thinking about that when I was typing it. But here is how it goes: I am a control rider for Team Pro-Motion. So between paying $300 + expenses to go to a race and get 3 hours of track time, or go to as many trackdays as I can for just my expenses, plus getting as much as track time as I want, it becomes an issue.
And I can learn more, and learn fast at track days because there are faster guys there usually than my AM racer buddies.
I go to races to compete(because I don't do it at trackdays) not for tracktime.
OVER 500 views and onlt about 50 votes???? come on people...lol vote