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:-[ >:( :o ??? :-/ :'(
I DONT KNOW!!! MAYBE SOMEONE CAN HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND....
IS EVERY SERVICE CENTER ONLY IN RACING BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT CAN BE, AND SUBSEQUENTLY THEY WILL COLLECT?!?!?!
WELL, 4&6 RACING IN SKOKIE ILLINOIS HAS BY FAR, TAKEN THE CAKE . PERIOD .
QWIKLY; I DROPPED MY 2000 F4 OFF TO HAVE SPOOLS WELDED ON FOR MY REAR STAND (SWING ARM) SHAWN AT 4&6 RETURNS MY CALL FROM A MESSAGE I LEFT, SAYS " IT'S READY, WE'VE ONLY GOTTA PUT YOUR AIR BOX AND TANK BACK ON, AND OH YEAH, YOUR'E GONNA HAVE TO GET ANOTHER WIND SCREEN, BECAUSE WE BROKE IT. :o .........................HE SEZ "HELLO?" ,I SAY "YEAH, IM HERE," HE GOES " IT WAS CRACKED ALREADY", IN DISBELIEF, I SAY "YOU BROKE MY BOUBLE BUBBLE?!?!, AND TELL ME I GOTTA GET ANOTHER, HOW DO YOU WORK ON THE REAR OF THE BIKE AND BREAK THE FRONT END???", ... WELL WE SETTLED ON HALF (DUE TO MY WILLINGNESS TO SETTLE QWIKLY, AS I SAID, HE TOLD ME THAT I'D HAVE TO GET ANOTHER, DIDNT OFFER ANY CLAIM TO FAULT, BUT DID GO ON TO SAY "WELL, WE HAVE TO LEAN THE BIKE WAAAY OVER TO WELD THE SWING-ARM)(YOU COULD TAKE IT OFF, OR LEAN IT MORE RESPONSIBLY OR MORE STABLE)...... NEXT THING IS, I WASNT ABLE TO PICK UP THE BIKE, SO WHEN I GOT TO THE TRACK I NOTICE MY LEFT SIDE REARSET IS BROKEN SO THAT IT DOESNT GUARD MY BOOT FROM THE CHAIN ANYMORE, AGAIN I LEAVE A MESSAGE AND GET A CALL BACK, NOW FOR THIS, IM TOLD THAT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE SHOP NOTICED THAT IT WAS BROKEN WHEN IT CAME IN >:( THEY ARE BRAND NEW ...........SO I HANG UP THE PHONE, I MISSED THREE RACES SATURDAY TO FIND OUT THAT MY FUEL FILTER IS CLOGGED, AND I FIND AN AFTER MARKET HOSE FROM FUEL PUMP TO TANK, ASK 4&6 AND THEY SAY THE ORIGINAL WAS LEAKING AND THEY HAD TO REPLACE IT,SEZ "THE LEAK COULD'VE HAPPENED WHILE TAKING OFF AND ON" ...QUES: ANYONE THINK THAT MY FILTER GOT CLOGGED DUE TO SOMETHING AT THAT SHOP?
BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT DURING THE WEEKEND OF MAY 18/19 THIS SAME BIKE TOOK ME (THRU 6 RACES) FROM 79TH PLACE OVERALL (MIDWEST) TO 31ST.....IT WAS WORKING LIKE I COULD ONLY DREAM, ..... SO I GO ON TO RUN A STRAIT HOSE TO THE TANK ON SUNDAY MORNING AND END UP WITH A COMPLETED RACE 1, BUT MISS THE NEXT TWO DUE TO A FUEL SHUT-OFF RELAY (TWICE),( I COULDNT MAKE A HOT LAP ON 5 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS JUNE 1,2ND),.
MY PIT WANTED TO USE A BETTER REAR STAND, I WAS TOLD BY 4&6 THAT THEY'D CHARGE ME 60 OR 70 BUCKS, BUT AFTER KILLING MY BIKE, THEY SAID "$106.50" PLUS THE HALF ($40) ON MY BROKEN WIND SCREEN.
:-[ I HATE BEING STUPID >:(
I live 15 minutes from their shop and have been in there no more than 0 times. Geeez I wonder why. I feel for you. That sucks ass. Have you talked to the owner?
Oh by the way.. if they were only welding on spools... what the hell was the gas tank and air box off for? Or did you have other work done as well?
By no means am I defending them but any welding in a legit shop is going to force the gas tank to be removed do to risk of fire/explosion. And since the airbox can hold fumes that may be the reason it was removed. Again not defending it sounds like you got the royal on this.
QuoteBy no means am I defending them but any welding in a legit shop is going to force the gas tank to be removed do to risk of fire/explosion. And since the airbox can hold fumes that may be the reason it was removed. Again not defending it sounds like you got the royal on this.
True.. I forgot about the flammable aspects of a fuel :D
OUCH! I hate hearin' when a fellow racer gets screwed. I haven't had that pleasure yet but I limit my business with dealers as much as possible. Sometimes, like in your case, it is almost unavoidable.
I will go on to say that maybe looking around for someone who has experience doing jobs like that can save some time and money, and possible heartbreak. Of course finding someone with a TIG welder and the know how could be hard.
Anyway, sorry to hear that.
QuoteTrue.. I forgot about the flammable aspects of a fuel :D
Hmmm.....someone forgetting something about fuel. Where have I heard that before? :P
you do have to take the batt ground strap off. A fire blanket over the bike is all that is needed for the spools.
jeff
JeF4y
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Re:4&6RACING/ROBBERS
« Reply #1 on: June 5, 2002, 02:03:39 pm »
I was there and helped Mike through all this. Personally I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Things that I saw COMPLETELY unacceptable.
1. The welds are ridiculously poor. They should have welded blocks on the bottom of the swingarm and tapped
them to mount the spools, but noooooo they weld the spools to the sides of the swingarm. I haven't seen this bike
on a spooled stand, but bet there will be problems because the spools are mounted so high on the bike.
2. The broken windscreen was complete crap. The response should have been "we're sorry we broke your
windscreen. It was already cracked, but we will replace it anyway" and charge full price for the spool labor.
3. Broken rearset is completely unacceptable. The bike was dropped on both sides, there's no doubt in my mind.
4. I don't know WHAT they were doing or thinking by pulling the tank and leaving the VAPOROUS carbs wide
open! I had my stuff welded on with the bike full of gas, sitting straight up and down and all I needed to do was
pull off the battery wire, the R/R wires and ICM!
5. They removed the spark plugs for reasons unknown. Ike had problems with the bike running, and we found
ALL 4 spark plugs FINGER TIGHT! After tightening, we believe that the #2 hole is stripped.
All in all, it was the poorest excuse for any kind of labor I've seen. I don't know Ike other than our association at
the track, but this was such B.S. that it had me angry for 2 days.
I'd really like to know what exactly they did to the bike and why...
(oh yeah, Ike, take those caps off man )
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QuoteHmmm.....someone forgetting something about fuel. Where have I heard that before? :P
hey now... the only reason I ran out of fuel twice in one day is because I was conserving fuel since I only had enough for 3 races and a practice or two. So quit bustin my chops! ;)
I sorry. :'(
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:-[ >:( :o ??? :-/ :'(
I DONT KNOW!!! MAYBE SOMEONE CAN HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND....
IS EVERY SERVICE CENTER ONLY IN RACING BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT CAN BE, AND SUBSEQUENTLY THEY WILL COLLECT?!?!?!
WELL, 4&6 RACING IN SKOKIE ILLINOIS HAS BY FAR, TAKEN THE CAKE . PERIOD .
QWIKLY; I DROPPED MY 2000 F4 OFF TO HAVE SPOOLS WELDED ON FOR MY REAR STAND (SWING ARM) SHAWN AT 4&6 RETURNS MY CALL FROM A MESSAGE I LEFT, SAYS " IT'S READY, WE'VE ONLY GOTTA PUT YOUR AIR BOX AND TANK BACK ON, AND OH YEAH, YOUR'E GONNA HAVE TO GET ANOTHER WIND SCREEN, BECAUSE WE BROKE IT. :o .........................HE SEZ "HELLO?" ,I SAY "YEAH, IM HERE," HE GOES " IT WAS CRACKED ALREADY", IN DISBELIEF, I SAY "YOU BROKE MY BOUBLE BUBBLE?!?!, AND TELL ME I GOTTA GET ANOTHER, HOW DO YOU WORK ON THE REAR OF THE BIKE AND BREAK THE FRONT END???", ... WELL WE SETTLED ON HALF (DUE TO MY WILLINGNESS TO SETTLE QWIKLY, AS I SAID, HE TOLD ME THAT I'D HAVE TO GET ANOTHER, DIDNT OFFER ANY CLAIM TO FAULT, BUT DID GO ON TO SAY "WELL, WE HAVE TO LEAN THE BIKE WAAAY OVER TO WELD THE SWING-ARM)(YOU COULD TAKE IT OFF, OR LEAN IT MORE RESPONSIBLY OR MORE STABLE)...... NEXT THING IS, I WASNT ABLE TO PICK UP THE BIKE, SO WHEN I GOT TO THE TRACK I NOTICE MY LEFT SIDE REARSET IS BROKEN SO THAT IT DOESNT GUARD MY BOOT FROM THE CHAIN ANYMORE, AGAIN I LEAVE A MESSAGE AND GET A CALL BACK, NOW FOR THIS, IM TOLD THAT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE SHOP NOTICED THAT IT WAS BROKEN WHEN IT CAME IN >:( THEY ARE BRAND NEW ...........SO I HANG UP THE PHONE, I MISSED THREE RACES SATURDAY TO FIND OUT THAT MY FUEL FILTER IS CLOGGED, AND I FIND AN AFTER MARKET HOSE FROM FUEL PUMP TO TANK, ASK 4&6 AND THEY SAY THE ORIGINAL WAS LEAKING AND THEY HAD TO REPLACE IT,SEZ "THE LEAK COULD'VE HAPPENED WHILE TAKING OFF AND ON" ...QUES: ANYONE THINK THAT MY FILTER GOT CLOGGED DUE TO SOMETHING AT THAT SHOP?
BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT DURING THE WEEKEND OF MAY 18/19 THIS SAME BIKE TOOK ME (THRU 6 RACES) FROM 79TH PLACE OVERALL (MIDWEST) TO 31ST.....IT WAS WORKING LIKE I COULD ONLY DREAM, ..... SO I GO ON TO RUN A STRAIT HOSE TO THE TANK ON SUNDAY MORNING AND END UP WITH A COMPLETED RACE 1, BUT MISS THE NEXT TWO DUE TO A FUEL SHUT-OFF RELAY (TWICE),( I COULDNT MAKE A HOT LAP ON 5 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS JUNE 1,2ND),.
MY PIT WANTED TO USE A BETTER REAR STAND, I WAS TOLD BY 4&6 THAT THEY'D CHARGE ME 60 OR 70 BUCKS, BUT AFTER KILLING MY BIKE, THEY SAID "$106.50" PLUS THE HALF ($40) ON MY BROKEN WIND SCREEN.
:-[ I HATE BEING STUPID >:(
I am truly amazed by the power of the internet , it gives any uninformed or unintelligent person a wonderful place to spew their trash.
First off we did not remove the airbox or your spark plugs , this is not needed to weld spools on. The windscreen was cracked as whoever is the idiot that put the clip ons on doesn't know how to position them properly left them with no clearance to the upper fairing and windscreen.
The left rearset was cracked as i noticed that when i went to put the ground clamp on .
The fuel line was cracked when we removed it but that is from it being removed improperly several times before we even touched your bike.
yes we did offer to split the cost of the windscreen which is more than we should of due to your stupidity as far as your bar mounting.
If you don't want to do business with us thats fine , go ahead and flame us all day on here and for all of you other's that jump on ike's bandwagon go ahead.
if you want to race it cost's money , i am not here to support your hobby or fufill your fantasies about Troy Bayliss.
Things cost what they cost , if you want it for free thats why it is a pile of crap when your done.
Please feel free to bash me some more!
Jim
Hey, Jim...
I'll agree that the internet does give any one an opportunity to say anything. You hope that everyone is honest.
Regardless, I do thing problems are best taken care of at the sources. I would hope that a customer of mine would come to me if they had a problem. Doesn't always happen like that.
Jim's been doing business for quite some time. Longer than I can remember. At one time, Jim offered a generous contingency program of cash and certificates to riders in general.
Jim knows that I have never been a customer of his, but I do know his record and success of past work.
I hope that everyone can resolve this issue in a better manner.
QuoteI live 15 minutes from their shop and have been in there no more than 0 times. Geeez I wonder why. I feel for you. That sucks ass. Have you talked to the owner?
I don't wonder at all why you haven't been to my shop , I thank god everyday that people like you never frequent my shop , you listen to one side of the story but feel the need to blow your load , what a goof , probably have a 15 year old tz too! . See now that was mean on my part not knowing the whole story wasn't it. But anyway get the facts from both sides before commenting.
jim
QuoteHey, Jim...
I'll agree that the internet does give any one an opportunity to say anything. You hope that everyone is honest.
Regardless, I do thing problems are best taken care of at the sources. I would hope that a customer of mine would come to me if they had a problem. Doesn't always happen like that.
Jim's been doing business for quite some time. Longer than I can remember. At one time, Jim offered a generous contingency program of cash and certificates to riders in general.
Jim knows that I have never been a customer of his, but I do know his record and success of past work.
I hope that everyone can resolve this issue in a better manner.
Hi Dave it was good seeing you at Road America . Yes he could have called me and talked to me but that is too easy. It's better to get sympathy from people on a bulletin board to make him feel better. Yes at one time we paid out alot of cash and certificates to the local riders, not anymore it's not really worth it. There is no return to the shop for what we gave away , there is not a lot of loyalty only where can i save a penny. Silly isn't it. Jim
I myself own a business as well. If someone is talking shit about my work on the internet, the last thing I would do his bash him back. Jim, if you are the business owner why on god's earth would you bash you customers. The customer is always right, even if they are wrong. I have to put up with that everyday in my business. I would never trash or bash any of my customers in public, because other good customers will drop you like used rubber.
Obviously motorcycle shop owners make to much money. Otherwise they wouldn't be trying to run other customers off. :P
Can I have the Payperview rights for this upcoming fight? :P
QuoteI myself own a business as well. If someone is talking shit about my work on the internet, the last thing I would do his bash him back. Jim, if you are the business owner why on god's earth would you bash you customers. The customer is always right, even if they are wrong. I have to put up with that everyday in my business. I would never trash or bash any of my customers in public, because other good customers will drop you like used rubber.
Obviously motorcycle shop owners make to much money. Otherwise they wouldn't be trying to run other customers off. :P
Interesting point of view , unfortunately times have changed and in some cases the customer isn't always right , I am not Kmart , Home Depot , or any other big box store , yes at those places you are always right even when you break something they will happily take it back .
We are a speciality shop , if you screw something up we are not going to kiss your ass and take it back , very simple. If we screw up we admit it , it seems most people are not man enough to admit they screw up so they bash me on here.
I also guess a business has no right to defend itself , just cower down and let someone bash you.
Well that may be ok in your politically correct society , but it doesn't count in mine.
He could have called and talked to me , but no , he bashes on a bulletin board. not only in this forum but another. Jim
???
jim, uninformed may fit, because i dont know anything about how long you've been in business or anything about your past contingency/money give away's, however, i will not comment on my level of intelligence, or yours, except to say that im a college grad. and an electronic technician. not a mechanical technician, otherwise i would have done the bike work myself, i have however been through extensive automobile work, almost all but bodywork. that is why i drove from the far south side of chicago to your shop in the northern suburbs with bike in tow, to have the work done properly, you hint towards payment being an issue, i never asked anyone for a discount, i only asked how much i'd be paying.
and for your 'first off', maybe you can tell me why shawn told me that
" we've only got to put the airbox and tank back on" ..... and the plugs were loose, i wasnt there, and i dont know what happened. now, i get to duck the idiot comment concerning the placement of the clip-ons, because i didnt put them on, but i cant resist to ask, since you've been in business as long as you have, and you noticed that, how can you refer to anyone as an idiot when
you went ahead and broke it??? and if you're welding the spools in the rear of the bike, why is the front turned to the extreme ???
and if the rearset is cracked, when you notice it, and you've been in business for sooooo long, why dont you call me and tell me that when you notice it ???
and the million dollar question is.......drum roll..... why in the world did shawn tell me that it was broken when it came in ??? not craked and you guy's broke it on off!!! "one of our guys, jim, in the back, said he noticed that it was BROKEN when it came in" is exactly what he said on the phone to me.
and if it was cracked, and you were attaching a ground lead, why not attach it somewhere else?? thats not the only place you can find for a ground. is it??
the tank has been off several times, but ive got plenty spare hoses, and there was no leak, that much i know about my bike.
and no sir you did not offer to split anything with me, i had to ask your guy to split the bill for the windscreen! the only thing he offered me was the information about ME needing to get another.
ok, im to the part about my stupidity as far as my bar mounting, :-X im not going to comment, and it's hard, but im actualy not stupid. you can hurl names alone for now.
you go on to say " feel free "flamin" you, but i'll let you know that this was a form of release for me because YOU were paid for your services, I was burnt!
i KNEW that after talking to shawn, that it would have been a waste of time for me to try to talk to anyone else there (i can see clearly from your response) anything that shawn says to anyone there is going to stand taller than anything that this piss a$$ 'one hundred dollar' customer is going to have to say. nothing in your comments say anything close to " im sorry you didnt have the greatest service experience here at 4&6, give me a call at yada yada yada, and im sure we can work something out, something that will cause you to recant your writings, something that will have you to see that we realy do care about our customers, something that will see everyone happy" nope!!!
just, you're a stupid, uninformed, unintelligent idiot whose looking for a handout, and didnt get it, so im trashing your shop :-/ .........
and if you dont want to do business with us, thats fine.
you say racing cost's money,( and i paid you), the problem is, ive got to spend more than bargained for, because of your carelessness, and the only thing you can do is pass the buck and try to throw the attention from where it should be, i didnt ask you to support or fulfill anything concerning any big named racer. period. .so where did that come from??? i made a complaint about sh_tty work that i paid for, and you end with "that's why it's a pile of crap when you're done".........well........it ran great before you touched it. and the windscreen may have been cracked, along with the rearset, but cracked doesnt spell out b r o k e n ............
Round 4 ding ding. ;D
While I can certainly agree that the customer is "not always right", I would expect that a business operator in today's economy would always maintain the highest level of professional courtesy. No matter what. The inane tirades that are piling up on this thread are evidence enough that name calling and insults as a form of conflict resolution stopped being successful around the 3rd grade. It surprises me that a legitimate(?) businessman would engage in that manner of discourse. Granted, no amount of logic or professionalism can convince some people they're wrong, but at the end of the day, your professional image and integrity remain intact.
Having no connection to this dispute nor either party, I can safely say that based on the manner with which 4&6 has been represented on this thread, I would not do business with them. But it appears that's not really a concern of theirs...
Just a few worthless thoughts to pass the time.
QuoteHi Dave it was good seeing you at Road America . Yes he could have called me and talked to me but that is too easy. It's better to get sympathy from people on a bulletin board to make him feel better. Yes at one time we paid out alot of cash and certificates to the local riders, not anymore it's not really worth it. There is no return to the shop for what we gave away , there is not a lot of loyalty only where can i save a penny. Silly isn't it. Jim
no jim, i realy dont think it would have been easy to approach you, or anyone there, simply by the way shawn said " you gotta get another, we broke it"
...that in itself, tells me that im gonna get worked up, and the way you said in your earlier writing "offering half was more than you should have due to my stupidity" it seems to me that you have been in business so long that customers get on your nerve's, and that you look for any short-cut that you can find, which is why you didnt take better care of my bike.
just ask yourself, " if another bike comes in to your shop with a cracked windscreen and rearset, will it leave out the same way? or will you go ahead and break the two again ? "
i mean, you gotta admit that there is something different that you could have done to keep either of them from breaking. every one at the track that saw my bike said " man, they drop'd your bike"
and i didnt even mention that you gave me the worst spools around, and the worst weld, why didnt i get the ones that can be replaced, if these break, im done! my team-mate, got spools from you, he say's for not more than 60 bucks, and he got the good ones, they screw on and off.....but his skin is alot lighter than mine,.... what did i do or say, that made me a target, i sure feel like one, was it the braids, or the way i dress (or lack of).....
and being a new customer of yours, you looking for loyalty from me
:-/ ???? you've done nothing for me, and with that, i must say that you cant judge a book by it's cover, ive gotta look stupid to you! but again i tell you that im not. (you wrote that theres no loyalty, only where can i save a penny) but you're the one getting over, you saved on the b.s. spools you gave me, the b.s. weld you gave me, everyone at the track said 'eeuuwww!!!' .....you saved on the windscreen and rearset you should have been buying, and have the nerve to say im looking for sympathy, i shouldve talked to you?? YOU should have talked to ME!!! no doubt in my mind, if i need to come and make a presentation to you after you hand my bike back to me in the condition that you did, im fighting a losing battle from the start, ive been around jim, people told me i should roll my bike into your shop, and demand this and/or that, but jim, that's the stuff that im steering clear of, growing up on the ruff side of town, i know that people like you will only make me get myself in trouble, it's not worth it, ive been there, it's much cheaper (time and money)(for me) to give you a rearset a windscreen some spools, shit, take the bike, my freedom beats all of those totaled!
and for your 'sympathy' thing, and the " not man enough" part, it's all taking attention away from where it should be.
and jim, this is a joke you wrote:
"We are a speciality shop , if you screw something up we are not going to kiss your ass and take it back , very simple. ***If we screw up we admit it , it seems most people are not man enough to admit they screw up *** so they bash me on here."
and i dont know what kinda god you thank for keeping customers away from your shop, but i will tell you that it cant be much of a God, cuz yours dont even get a capitol "G" .....
but in closing, i pray for mine to Bless you and all that read our drama... //
QuoteI don't wonder at all why you haven't been to my shop , I thank god everyday that people like you never frequent my shop , you listen to one side of the story but feel the need to blow your load , what a goof , probably have a 15 year old tz too! . See now that was mean on my part not knowing the whole story wasn't it. But anyway get the facts from both sides before commenting.
jim
Jim,
Actually my TZ is a 98 and even it were 15 years old.. it's irrelevant. Perhaps I was out of line with my sarcastic comment and I apologize. I suppose I typed without thinking about how some people might take my comment. But on any note.. it is pretty juvenile that you would attack me or Ike's inability to put his clipons on properly especially since you are a businessman who makes a living off of people like us although I have never been in your Skokie shop which is not to say that I have never used your services while your shop was in the city. And isn't it typical that your side of the story is the exact opposite of Ike's story. Maybe there is some truth to each of your stories and maybe both of you are full of shit... but now that both stories are out.. is it safe for me to conclude that you're acting like an ass?
DING DING ROUND 5 ;D
There are 3 sides to every story.
Popcorn, anyone?
Quote Having no connection to this dispute nor either party, I can safely say that based on the manner with which 4&6 has been represented on this thread, I would not do business with them. But it appears that's not really a concern of theirs...
Just a few worthless thoughts to pass the time.
Well, I kind of have to agree here. From the things that this guy said about the customer, you can tell he doesn't care. That alone was enough for me to make my decision, regardless of who was really right in this situation. The fact that he would respond in the manner that he did shows just how unprofessional he is.
Just my $.02 worth.
4&6 LEARN TO RESPECT THE BIKES YOU WORK ON STOP JUST THROWING THEM TOGETHER LIKE U SAID THIS HOBBY IS A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY DONT NEED THERE BIKE BREAKING DOWN ON THEM OR CRAP FLYING ALLMOVER THE PLACE WHEN THERE DOING OVER 130 MPH!!! :P
AM125IKE,
I can't comment on your experience, because I wasn't there and didn't see your bike. However, I can comment on my experience with 4&6.
I have been working with 4&6 for a year and a half, since I started racing and track days. Jim and Ed have bent over backwards to accomodate me. I needed a fairing mounted the week before Daytona, and even with his busy schedule, Jim got me in and did a great job. I needed work done on a different bike, but Ed had a ton of work to do in the machine shop. He still made time for my cylinder bore work and it was well done and cost just what they said it would. Whenever I need dyno time with their EGA, they are more than willing to squeeze me in. Several other folks I know have had work done by Jim and Ed and have gotten great results, timely service and value for their money. 4&6 is my shop of choice in the Chicago area. Thanks Jim and Ed!
Dave Watson
SV650
CCS Am #357
One other note, I was riding to their shop earlier this year after using copious amounts of grip cement on my new grips. I got there and the throttle was just about frozen. Ed dropped what he was doing, helped me out for just about an hour and got my throttle moving again. Charge for that? Nada. Zip. Zero, Nothing. Made my day, and now I don't use grip cement anymore... :D
QuoteAM125IKE,
I can't comment on your experience, because I wasn't there and didn't see your bike. However, I can comment on my experience with 4&6.
I have been working with 4&6 for a year and a half, since I started racing and track days. Jim and Ed have bent over backwards to accomodate me. I needed a fairing mounted the week before Daytona, and even with his busy schedule, Jim got me in and did a great job. I needed work done on a different bike, but Ed had a ton of work to do in the machine shop. He still made time for my cylinder bore work and it was well done and cost just what they said it would. Whenever I need dyno time with their EGA, they are more than willing to squeeze me in. Several other folks I know have had work done by Jim and Ed and have gotten great results, timely service and value for their money. 4&6 is my shop of choice in the Chicago area. Thanks Jim and Ed!
Dave Watson
SV650
CCS Am #357
One other note, I was riding to their shop earlier this year after using copious amounts of grip cement on my new grips. I got there and the throttle was just about frozen. Ed dropped what he was doing, helped me out for just about an hour and got my throttle moving again. Charge for that? Nada. Zip. Zero, Nothing. Made my day, and now I don't use grip cement anymore... :D
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dave, maybe you indirectly commented on my experience, sounds like you're shock that ive been through (and am going through) the sittuation at hand.
maybe you should comment straight-away on what you've read here, i for one, would like to know your opinion on how i started the subject, and how your friend commented, please tell me that you think that i "made up" the issue, and the part about how shawn told me that my rearset was broken when it came in, but jim ends up saying that it was cracked when he went to attach the ground lead, and how my windscreen was cracked, and im a stupid idiot for it , cuz the clip ons are causing it (even though it didnt get broken till 4&6 got it) (and since you didnt see it, let me tell you, there were small circular cracks on the windscreen, and they brok off a quarter of my windscreen, it doesnt match).... and comment on how shawn told me that they had to lean the bike waaaaay over to do the welds (which you should have read that a stranger (jeff) comment on as be "unacceptable") .... comment, dave, on what kind of customer courtesy you would like to receive when you leave your bike somewhere and your windscreen and rearset are broken off when you see it again (even if they were cracked) please comment......
and dave, i must say to you, that i am very happy for you and anyone else who can receive what they pay for from anyone, not just 4&6 racing,
ive always felt it to be a great blessing from God to have means to pay for what i want in life. preiod. if you've read it all, i grew up on the dark side, ive got friends and ex-friends that get alot of illegal money, but me, i went to college, very much 'mostly' legal tax payer, i work daily, that's where my money comes from,..... 50, 60, 70k is nothing to sneeze at, but if you practice wasting it, tell me where you'll be???
i was refered to 4&6, this was my first visit, and i just think that it's sad that i was told "you're gonna have to get another windscreen, because we broke it" ......... and no mention of my rearset being broken, not til i called back from the track, and then it was "oh, that, one of our guys, jim, in the back, noticed that it was broken when it came in" >:( and then on this very forum, the truth comes out " it was cracked already when i went to clamp the ground on" ............come on dave, you read it, i doubt that every customer to 4&6 has a bad experience, but when a customer does, no one should be able to say "oh, this happened to you cuz you're stupid, uninformed, unintelligent, yada yada...
and i realy wonder how many stupid idiots you were when you left the shop behind the grip thing :-/
thanks for stickin up for your buds dave, but i'd like to hear (or read) about how you view this sittuation, even if you think im over reacting, realy, i didnt start this subject to read about how many satisfied customers they got, but it's not an issue, it's done, im not going to civil court or the bbb..... just releasing steam >:(
ike
Quote...but i'd like to hear (or read) about how you view this sittuation...
ike
I know firsthand a public forum is not the best place to air dirty laundry. In my experience, issues like this are best worked out through calm and cool discussions between the partys involved. I know 4&6 has been reasonable and flexible with me and my friends, which would lead me to believe they would be the same with others...
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dave, im just not into kissin butt :-X >:( ...................
i paid my money, thats easy enough to understand..........
4&6 knows first hand, what happened, not you nor i......... they were there!!!
i think it's profesional courtesy to see your customers happy,
....and dont believe it, that i asked for a discount, ive never met these people, i DID NOT ask for a discount, at all..........
maybe someone here can tell me how i should approach a company that doesnt offer me anything but "we broke it, get another."
i asked him to go half with me ...... and i got no reason to lie about my rearset, i told them they broke it, and i get an "oh,yeah, we noticed that when it came in (that it was broke) (not cracked, and we had anything whatsoever to do with it being cracked when we got it, and IT also got broken here)
so what im saying is that from the start, no ones taking blame, what does one do?? someone help me to know how to go about this, any one.........
they simply ducked fault. and what do i do? knowing that they know already, and they're fighting it right away, "one was cracked (not our fault we broke it) and the other was already broke when it got here (at least thats what i was first told).............that's a basic "you're on your own!!!" at least it is to me, i dont know how to approach people like that, but to go to court (the safest) but that's not worth it to me, i got racing on the brain, and court would take up to much of my time, which is money also.....
.....but you've gotta love this mans comments, you've just gotta!!!
"The windscreen was cracked as whoever is the idiot that put the clip ons on doesn't know how to position them properly "
"The left rearset was cracked as i noticed that when i went to put the ground clamp on . "
"The fuel line was cracked when we removed it but that is from it being removed improperly several times before we even touched your bike. "
"yes we did offer to split the cost of the windscreen which is more than we should of due to your stupidity as far as your bar mounting."
"If you don't want to do business with us thats fine "
"if you want to race it cost's money , i am not here to support your hobby or fufill your fantasies about Troy Bayliss."
"Things cost what they cost , if you want it for free thats why it is a pile of crap when your done. "
"there is not a lot of loyalty only where can i save a penny."
??? u got knocked the :o out this is better than tyson and lewis :P
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i couldnt resist,....
ike
joe wrote:
After reading the post about the shitty service from 4&6 Racing I thought I'd
post about my three customer service "run-ins" in the past week.
After my last spill, http://www.geocities.com/flyinsquirrelf4/racereports/VIR_CYCLE_JAM.htm
I needed a few things. It seemed someone out there really didn't want me to
put my bike back together again, because I had three seperate companies
screw up my order. Jeff was the only one out of four total that didn't screw
up. Thanks Jeff!!!
The first was Traxxion Dynamics, which I ranted about last week on the CBR
List. After getting things sorted out, I would rate their CS pretty damn good. The conversation went something like, "We f'd up, whatever we can do to make this right, just name it." As inconvienceing as the original f'up was, I
have to give the CS a 10 out of 10. Next up was M4. I blame this on the moron who took my order. After repeatedly explaining to him that I did NOT need the band that goes around the pipe, just the hanger bracket, guess what I received in the mail? Yep, the band. The CS service end took care of it and I'd give 'em an 7. Last but not least was CFM/Woodcraft. Somehow, my dumbass busted a clip-on in a way that, to quote Eric Wood, "Well, that's never happened before in the entire time we've made clip-ons." At least I'm the first at something!!! So Eric cuts me a deal on a replacement and all is good. Yeah, right!! Putting the bike back together last night and I find out he sent me a 41mm clipon instead of a 43mm. Called them today and the shipping label was printed before I got off the phone. Definite 10.
Joe
Quotedave, im just not into kissin butt...
I stated my experience and the experience of others I know who have had dealings with 4&6 and you say I'm kissing butt? >:(
Glad I could help you out...
QuoteI stated my experience and the experience of others I know who have had dealings with 4&6 and you say I'm kissing butt? >:(
Glad I could help you out...
BTW, when people work things out through calm, cool discussions it is called being adult. Just thought you needed that clarification... (https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F64.39.29.136%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fup_to_something.gif&hash=fe4516ba6c448ec932ec05e099bb7d36d14bad57)
MISUNDERSTANDING, dave,
i am not going to go talk to that guy, when he messed up my bike, he already knows what i am going to come and say to him (because he did it).....
so in essence, im going to have to either fight or kiss his butt, ...kinda beg him to see that he's got fault.........get it ???
i said that I'M not into kissin butt, never said anything about you kissin his butt......... i have no problem with you having good experiences and writing about it, doesnt sound like he paid you or anything, ive got a couple of places that i'll back.....didnt say you were a butt kisser, and i am very mature, thnx ....
ok, all....im done :-X :)
Holy Sh!t, was that fun! I couldn't stop reading. I own a business also.I always have to give small freebies, and never, I mean never would I leave a message like that, duking it out with a customer. You should see some of the sh!t people try to pull on me.Very childish and bad form 4&6.That does not seem like a business that's customer oriented, at least not when they're called to the carpet. It's easy to be nice when every things going fine, even Sadam's easy to get on with when he's got a nice fat new cuban stuck between his lips( maybe he gets them from Clinton)Anyway, can you say anger management classes!
This thread is like herpies, it just won;t go away. :P
Come on guys, this has gone far enough. 4 & 6, jjust make the deal right. I certainly don't know what happened but to have you do this to any customer is just not worth it. Everyone, including me, would not use your service because of this. Try, off the board, to get together with the customer and work this out. I have met you guys at Daytona before and you appear to be honorable men. But this is not honorable. Again , I don't know the details but this post has gone on way too long. End it and move on, please. :-/
QuoteTry, off the board, to get together with the customer and work this out. Again , I don't know the details but this post has gone on way too long.
>:(
Why don't you suggest that to Ike , who is the one that went to a public forum to accuse 4&6? He didn't try anything but to flame 4&6 on this board. From the first post and the post from jeff it sounds like the bike was not maintained properly and they want to blame 4&6 for it. This is common in any repair shop that the customer brings in a vehicle for one type and due to the poor condition of the vehicle other things need repair but the customer blames it on the shop.
I agree this post has gone on too long, It should never have been started by Ike. He should take responsibility for his own poor maintainence, not blame someone else.
And to call 4&6 robbers on a public forum is just childish and wrong.
:-/
steve, you must not have read it all, i tried to talk to 4&6, and they told me my windcreen was cracked, and it was, i know that, (tell me, does that mean they have to go ahead and break it???)
but they told me that my rearset was broken also (but not til i saw it), only to change that later (on this forum) and say that it was cracked when they first saw it. the rearsets were new, and i hadnt drop'd my bike, and i have no clue how my rearset could have gotten cracked, and you may have read that they offered to split the windscreen fee but they did not! i had to tell them that i would get another ( but i thought that good costumer service would be them spliting the bill, and they said ok, i didnt find out about my rearset till i got to the track ( and you want me to be childish, but what do you refer to that type of dealing, where they already know about the broken rearset( it broke in their shop) but they mention the windscreen to me, and maybe i wont notice the rearset ;) and they wont have to even go through the conversation, they'll be out of that ;D ............
my motives were to let anyone who was reading, know how i was treated at 4&6, they robbed me of a part of my manhood, they treated me like a fool (in my opinion) and it was only for a hundred dollars or so, and yes, i hope that this thread cost's them a hundred dollars or so, im not into ruining anyone, but as i wrote before, "what am i to do?" realy, what could i do ???
i cant force them to split the bill, i realy cant prove that any of it happened at their shop, i can only depend on them being upstanding businessmen and agree with me on a split, or even take full blame for the rearset, but when i talked to shawn at 4&6 from the racetrack and i asked him about my rearset,
(you read it) he said, "the guy,jim, in the back, noticed that it was "broken" when it came in"............... >:( :-X ...............
and because im not childish, steve, i hung up the phone on him.......
i know those were just installed !!! whatthefuk ???
everyone that ive met at the track has been unbelievably helpful to me as a total stranger (i maybe spoiled) i just started 3/23 and it's just been extremely humbling, the companionship that ive seen and experienced at the track ( AND THANX TO EVERYONE WHO KNOWS I APPRECIATE THEM, AGAIN)
i havent been able to stop thanking people (strangers that ive met) since i was leaving chicago on my way to gateway, i pulled my own bike, but was offered a ride and to be put up for the weekend, but when i go to the shop,
and i know they get busy, im new to racing, but the newness stops there, i was just looking to be taken care of, and .......oh, we broke this.............. no mention of breaking that, til i notice it, then oh, it was broke already,.............. then, in public "oh that ragged rearset was cracked, ...................well which was it??????? and if cracked, what does it take to keep it cracked (and not broken)
steve, i dont know where you come from, but i am displeased at being taken as a fool, im not stupid. i tried to address it with them, and they ducked it.
so i chose to let it go public, im not going to try to approach them again, and thats because i am comfortale in being in the right, along with the fact that ive been taken before, and for more than they've taken me for, and ive survived it. so i know that its gonna be ok, im gonna race, and that's what matters to me, i know that racers fall, and im prob gonna buy a few windscreen/rearsets,
thay dont want to take fault at 4&6, i let their peers decide..........you and 4&6 can say that my bike was or is poorly maintained, and you can say it loud, it wont bother me, cuz i'll be racing...........
and everyone who wishes this would go away, forgive me, but i just couldnt resist responding to steve, and thanx steve for your opinion, i realy welcome it, as i am able to voice mine...... 8)
;)keep speaking your mind ike your waking up a lot of people u go blade!!!!!!!!
because im not childish, steve, i hung up the phone on him.......
Yeah, hanging up on someone instead of discussing the problem is not childish at all. ::)
you and 4&6 can say that my bike was or is poorly maintained, and you can say it loud, it wont bother me, cuz i'll be racing...........
I know alot of people that race poorly maintained bikes, it just proves they don't want to do the hard work it requires to race and they are willing to race junk. They spend more time on bbs's than they do working on their bikes and then they wonder why they are having such a rough time at the track.
You can write as many paragraphs as you want, I still think it is childish to assume you will get nowhere talking to the owner about the problem and then go calling them names and bashing them in public.
they robbed me of a part of my manhood,
No they didn't, they just proved you are not a man yet by not resolving the problem but whinning about it in public.
Quotebecause im not childish, steve, i hung up the phone on him.......
Yeah, hanging up on someone instead of discussing the problem is not childish at all. ::)
you and 4&6 can say that my bike was or is poorly maintained, and you can say it loud, it wont bother me, cuz i'll be racing...........
I know alot of people that race poorly maintained bikes, it just proves they don't want to do the hard work it requires to race and they are willing to race junk. They spend more time on bbs's than they do working on their bikes and then they wonder why they are having such a rough time at the track.
You can write as many paragraphs as you want, I still think it is childish to assume you will get nowhere talking to the owner about the problem and then go calling them names and bashing them in public.
they robbed me of a part of my manhood,
No they didn't, they just proved you are not a man yet by not resolving the problem but whinning about it in public.
steve, maybe i can learn something here, ...........can you tell me what i should say next ????
"hey, shawn, how did my rearset get broken?"
"it was broken when you gave it to us....."
go here steve....................
I wonder if 4&6 is a sponsor of Team Chicago.
QuoteI wonder if 4&6 is a sponsor of Team Chicago.
wait.......
is steve "team chicago" ???
and im gonna let all your 'childish' / 'not a man yet' / whinning stuff stay with you.........just say those to my face.....
and when you get holdin their balls :-* .......... tell me when i started name callin, steve....//URL
Of course they are!! That's the main reason we won MWSS Endurance in '99 and why we are in the hunt to win it again this year!
Which means I have good first hand knowledge of how Jim treats his customers and the kind of work they do. I have seen Jim go over and above what was needed to take care of a customer.
If you notice, I did not get into the specifics of what the problem is, just the way it was handled by Ike.
Just for the record, I have not talked to Jim or anyone at 4&6 about this. Just didn't like seeing a friend get bashed without cause. Ike never talked to Jim, he just ASSUMED that Jim would not deal with him. AGAIN, IKE NEVER TALKED TO JIM just bashed him in public.
Quotewait.......
is steve "team chicago" ???
and im gonna let all your 'childish' / 'not a man yet' / whinning stuff stay with you.........just say those to my face.....
and when you get holdin their balls :-* .......... tell me when i started name callin, steve....//URL
1) No I'm am not Team Chicago, I just ride for them.
And If I was trying to hide I wouldn't be using my
real name, I would use some unidentifiable bbs
name.
2) We'll be at Summit for the 6hr 8/3, you should be able to find me there.
3) I'm not quite sure what that last line meant but you called them names by calling them robbers.
4) I thought my opinion was welcome? or isn't it because I don't agree with they way you handled yourself?
OK boys.... That's enough...!!!
There are always two sides to every story and Ike told his and Jim from 4&6 told his side also. I must admit, it has been an eye opener in regards to everyone involved.
Now... It is time to end this. No more calling any one names, no one threating another. Everone has an opinion as to how this was handled, let's leave it at that.
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steve, you have 1st hand knowlege of how they took care of YOU....not me...
and if you didnt talk to jim, how do you know that i didnt talk to him???
you won in 99' ??? i guess you were in the hunt in 97' and 98' and of course 2000 and 01' to go along with 02'
and for the record,steve, im not ashamed to be a fan of everyone that has a bike, in fact im a big fan of people who get to work on bikes for a living, like your friend jim, yep, a fan, but that does not mean that im going to be happy to be stiffed......simple.....
and when you talk to your friend jim, the one who takes care of costumers,...
you should ask him, as a friend, just between you and him, it's dead and gone for me at this point (this is just conversation between us now), ask him, since he is actualy the one who said it was cracked when he "went to clamp on the lead", why did he break it, or how, but most importantly, i'd like for him to tell you how he was considering himself taking care of me by giving me my bike back with absolutely no mention of resolution, with absolutely no mention of it eve being broken??? i told them due to my work hours, i'd have someone else pick it up, and they didnt tell my team owner when he ,picked it up, in fact, my team owner tried to talk to them about the windscreen, he thought they should pay the whole thing, they ran him out of there (cuz i was gonna get my brother to pick it up, they didnt know it was my team owner) told him it wasnt even his bike" why should i talk to you? this is ike's bike"....
steve, is this the guy you're speaking up for?? in fact, tell me your opinion, why would he not even mention the rearset being broken??? and then come online and say " people aint man enough to admit when they're wrong" (thats seriously comical) (im in this, me and 4&6, we two know what happened, and now unattached people know)
............and is that what you consider being a full fledged man? (not like me) to break a bike, not mention it, and then to say "IT WAS ALREADY BROKEN"???
ok, so shawn told me that, but it's clear to have been rehearsed(albiet poorly) cuz jim comes on here and attacks me, but let's me in on the fact that it broke in his very hands, he owns the business, and he takes care of costumers, but leaves me to do what ??? feel stupid and used, im a sucker!!! thats simple for me to see, but you, .....you're partial......but your friend broke my bike, (which, by the way, you havent seen, so you can be called a name or two for commenting on something that you dont have all the facts on, ask jim :)
you dont know the condition of my bike steve, do you ???
you talk about the way i handled this, but no fault on your friends part, heh?
i do welcome your comments, but i wondered why so partial, and as an imperfect human, i will not always conduct myself in a proper manner, your buddies are not perfect either, and they will not satisfy all their customers,but the just plain ole' dik'd me....flat out..... they got me, and rearsets are not as expensive as the time ive taken up from all of these readers, but they left me needing someone to talk to......so i brought it to my (new) people, the racers.... who will forgive me for carrying this sssoooooooo far......but you, i just wonder what you have to gain, i was the one screwed......why you tryin get some, you gone kick my a$$ cuz i didnt take the rape without screamin or something ???
:-X
ike
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and you cant brag about being faster than me, im too new :P
Not sure where alot of that came from but...
1) I never said anything about asskicking.
2) you talk about the way i handled this, but no fault on your friends part, heh?
I never said Jim was right or wrong just that
YOU NEVER TALKED TO HIM OR GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO DO RIGHT BY YOU./b] You talked to someone that worked for him NOT HIM. then you went on the bbs and attacked him. As you said, nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes ( I know I've made more than my share) but by not talking to the owner of the business ( any business) you never gave him, the owner, a chance. Again the only knowledge I have of this is from this thread, I have nothing to gain from this. I am not defending or attacking Jim's position I am only talking about tha fact that you did not talk to the owner, that's all.
3) We were not in the hunt in '98, or 2000.
4) I never questioned your riding ability and never would, it has nothing to do with how you handled the situation.
5)steve, maybe i can learn something here, ...........can you tell me what i should say next ?
How about... "Can I talk to the owner?"
and if you didnt talk to jim, how do you know that i didnt talk to him.
From reading this thread
I never said Jim was right or wrong just that
YOU NEVER TALKED TO HIM OR GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO DO RIGHT BY YOU.
5)steve, maybe i can learn something here, ...........can you tell me what i should say next ?
How about... "Can I talk to the owner?"[/quote]
the only problem with that (to me, steve) is, the owner, jim, is the one who broke it
::)
and the only problem that i have with you pointing out my fault, is that you are not commenting on both sides of "fault" .....like you said, you never said jim was wrong or right, i never gave him a chance.............. i disagree cuz he had a chance to do right by me at the very moment that he broke a part off of my bike, he (actualy broke two) didnt mention one....
ive been there, and at that moment you have to decide, im sure you and everyone else knows the moment im talking about, it's like......
"oh sh...!!" i broke this fuk'g guy's whatever"....................
jim was (obviously) like.....fukit......im not going to be the one who takes the blame for this ..&%*&#+*$~%#>&**.............
he could've been like.............oh crap, now i gotta get this guy another......
but he didnt, he chose to cover it up,....... steve? it broke in jim's hands???
wutts realy up with that????????
tho, i get your point, your buddy slaped me in the face (it was broken already),
and i was ready to fight, but i went public, however, he blacked his own eye when he tried to slap me around on this forum, made himself my advocate.......
i dont doubt that he's been good to alot of customers, but me, he screwed, and then dared me to retaliate, yeah jim had a chance to get me strait, but he didnt do it, and im not going to beg him to make up to me, and to let you know, i met jim when i drop'd off my bike, and i did not feel welcome there, and from my experiences, as soon as i ask shawn to let me speak to the owner, the owner ask's him what it's about, and when the "specialty shop" owner hears from his own guy, that this new guy on the phone is complaining
about "the broken rearset", and we're already going half on a new windscreen for him (and remember jim's writing ...."idiot, stupidity") my complaint is going nowhere, they already decided to say that it didnt happen there ??? com' on :-/
sorry dawn...
Pete and his brother Re-Pete were in a boat, Pete fell in. Who was left in the boat?
QuotePete and his brother Re-Pete were in a boat, Pete fell in. Who was left in the boat?
uh.... Re-Pete? 8)
QuotePete and his brother Re-Pete were in a boat, Pete fell in. Who was left in the boat?
Well said, I'm done.
Quoteuh.... Re-Pete? 8)
Exactly!!
wait, now, you wrote "pete fell "in"
???
sooo.... technicaly pete and re-pete are still hangin out....... ;D
or in.......
ok, ok, so im not funny,....but effort counts.......
Just make sure if you two ever meet at Summit let me know so I can hide the knives and metal cooking utensils..
;D
naaaaah.......
we'll be best of freinds, he's got a bike (or two) and he's fast........
those type's of guys are the best (to me)........
im a fan first.......
ike ;D
Doesn't anyone write R.O.s anymore? If something's broken on the bike, it should be noted on the R.O. I didn't want to get in the middle here, and I'm not taking sides, but as a mechanic, I've got to wonder why the damage wasn't noted on the R.O. If I worked on a vehicle at my shop without noting damage that the customer said I caused, the shop would be liable. I also keep a Polaroid in my tool box. Most of the time, I go over the vehicle with the customer there, that way misunderstandings like this are avoided.
I have just started using a dig camara
my team-mate, got spools from you, he say's for not more than 60 bucks, and he got the good ones, they screw on and off.....but his skin is alot lighter than mine,.... what did i do or say, that made me a target, i sure feel like one, was it the braids, or the way i dress (or lack of).....
and being a new customer of yours, you looking for loyalty from me
Well it seems this has been a busy place while i was away! Ike i just would like to know how i went from being a robber to a racist? Skin color has nothing to do with anything , Maybe get jesse jackson to boycott my shop , lets play the race card , that goes with being stupid. it is insulting to me , and my family that you would consider me in that way. My sister in law is black and so are my niece and nephew. I really don't care what color , or anything else a customer is , never have never will , It's interesting that your bike was in such perfect condition but in another part of this forum you were begging for pictures of your crash. Like i said the rearset was cracked when i went to hook up the ground clamp so i used a different location , and when i went to lean the bike over my hand was pinched between the bar and fairing . Thus the cracked corner of the windscreen. My hand really hurt , should i sue you for pain ? Why were you spark plugs loose who knows , we never removed them , no reason. Why was your gas line cracked ? probaly been yanked off a few times to many. i could probably fix all that for free but why should I , you never talked to me , you didn't pick up the bike yourself , maybe your team owner cracked the rearset more loading and unloading the bike I don't know , i am not a mind reader. I have been in business for 22 years , have i pleased all my customers , no. Have i or one of my mechanics ever broke anything , yes . In most cases if it was a perfect part without any prior damage we replace it.
To end this saga of yours just stop by and pick up your windscreen and the fork tubes , I still will split the cost of the screen. Thats all i will do because you never talked to me just went on here and flamed me and called me a racist. This will be my final comment on your matter . Jim
QuoteJim,
Actually my TZ is a 98 and even it were 15 years old.. it's irrelevant. Perhaps I was out of line with my sarcastic comment and I apologize. I suppose I typed without thinking about how some people might take my comment. But on any note.. it is pretty juvenile that you would attack me or Ike's inability to put his clipons on properly especially since you are a businessman who makes a living off of people like us although I have never been in your Skokie shop which is not to say that I have never used your services while your shop was in the city. And isn't it typical that your side of the story is the exact opposite of Ike's story. Maybe there is some truth to each of your stories and maybe both of you are full of shit... but now that both stories are out.. is it safe for me to conclude that you're acting like an ass?
The reason i choose to attack you was in response to your earlier post. at that time you only heard one side of the story but jumped on ike's bandwagon. My comment on your tz was an example of flaming without knowing the facts. So i would guess you calling me an ass is like the pot calling the kettle black.
QuoteThe reason i choose to attack you was in response to your earlier post. at that time you only heard one side of the story but jumped on ike's bandwagon. My comment on your tz was an example of flaming without knowing the facts. So i would guess you calling me an ass is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Jim,
Fair enough... I acted like an ass too. I'm going to bring my forks into you to get some of the traxxion stuff done.. I will judge for myself how you treat your customer :)
???
jim :o,
i am very shocked to see your post here this evening, after speaking with you this afternoon i was, and am very ready for this subject to go away, and thats why i was so agreeable. you didnt mention your post? i told you that i wanted you to watch the board as i was ready to post a "make-up" statement. while i must write that i now feel that i'd have rather spoken to you before i posted this topic due to the fact that i feel that it has gone further than i'd imagine. i know that i was seriously upset when i didnt have as good a weekend racing as i expected to, and that guided me to act hastily. had i been, or waited till i was more calm maybe we could have worked together to come to a more comfortable conclusion. i'll take the blame for that, and i'll give you a thank you for offering to weld the rearset for me, along with retract the racial implications that emitted from the phrase that i wrote earlier (i was very upset, and was guessing), i dont know enough about you to imply that. and again, im tired of this issue, as we all HAVE to be!!! i dont know why you didnt mention your post to me while we talked for 45 mins. today, but i dont know why you didnt mention the problem (you say) that you found with my rearset either (or like you said to me yourself today " i should've just welded it when i noticed it was crack"). i notice you like the word "stupid", and thats all im gonna say about that.
im gonna do what ive been wanting to do for several days now, and what i intended to do when i logged on: 4&6 racing is ok with me. i payed you for your services, and that was at no discount (though i forgot to ask why you didnt sell me the replacable spools, i'll get over it). we split the windscreen, and i dont see any foul in that. the rearset,...... i'll get over also.
oh, i fell in elkhart on my f2, not my f4
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hey..................take it easy
Can we get a group hug here! :D ;D
QuoteCan we get a group hug here! :D ;D
steve, bring that bike (with chik) and im allll in (the hugg thing)....
i realy dig chik's ;D :-* ::)
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