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Title: Daytona 200
Post by: supercarl on December 02, 2014, 07:47:34 AM
Anyone have more info on the Daytona 200 this coming March? Will there be qualifying? Any specific type of fuel/tires? Or will it be normal ASRA sportbike rules? etc... Definitely want to race in it this year.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Xian_13 on December 02, 2014, 03:31:11 PM
The press release states Friday Qualifying.

The rest I would assume, ASRA Sportbike rules...
So, open tires and open fuel.

I, as well... "Definitely want to race in it this year."

-X

Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: LWT Racer on December 02, 2014, 03:41:00 PM
Who wants to lend me a bike? :)
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: dpelt73 on December 02, 2014, 08:25:36 PM
rulebook for daytona 200 is posted. looks like no spec fuel or tires as of now. It says ASRA can choose a spec tire or fuel up to 30 days before the event.


I'll be there that weekend for the ccs races. It'll be interesting to see what the schedule is for that since the daytona 200 is friday and saturday, right in the middle of the whole weekend.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on December 03, 2014, 02:02:50 PM
I'm prepping to race it also..
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SVbadguy on December 03, 2014, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: dpelt73 on December 02, 2014, 08:25:36 PM
I'll be there that weekend for the ccs races. It'll be interesting to see what the schedule is for that since the daytona 200 is friday and saturday, right in the middle of the whole weekend.

Won't be any different than when the Team Challenge is run.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: LWT Racer on December 03, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
http://backmarker-bikewriter.blogspot.com/2014/12/if-asraccs-sanction-200-mile-race-at.html?m=1
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SVbadguy on December 03, 2014, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: Swiest on December 03, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
http://backmarker-bikewriter.blogspot.com/2014/12/if-asraccs-sanction-200-mile-race-at.html?m=1 (http://backmarker-bikewriter.blogspot.com/2014/12/if-asraccs-sanction-200-mile-race-at.html?m=1)


CCS/ASRA is aggrieved?   :lmao:    WTF is he talking about?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Doxgon22 on December 03, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
Apparently I'm one of the whinebags this idiot is referring to at the bottom of the article, but, where is there a race at ANY level that pays the amounts that he is talking about?  Does MotoGP pay out that much for their races?  As far as I'm concerned, drop the 115 per cent of the pole crap, and lets see  80 bikes on the track. 
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: tug296 on December 04, 2014, 02:00:40 AM
The fool that wrote that blog is delusional, I guess he'd rather have no event and everyone just stay home and relax. Moto America dropped the ball, which means they didn't have much respect for the history of the event, even though recently the 200 has not been well taken care of, that's no reason to just let it whither away. It's a great thing that ASRA / CCS is going to sanction the event, I forsee a much better job being done than the previous body did.
Of course the purse should be doubled, tires and fuel should be riders decision as long as all meets the standard in the rulebook.
I hope new Moto America hasn't turned it's back on the speedway and many years of tradition.
Makes me want to lose 25 pounds, trade my 11 year old 430 pound RC-51 for a newer 355 pound 600.
 
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Xian_13 on December 04, 2014, 05:57:20 AM
Quote from: Doxgon22 on December 03, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
...
  As far as I'm concerned, drop the 115 per cent of the pole crap, and lets see  80 bikes on the track. 

Based on last years best qualifying time (1:49.292), the 115% rule would let in anyone running 2:05.682.
That would allow 90% (Rough guess) of the 2014 ROC GTU field into the race... Expert or Amateur.

-X
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: vnvbandit on December 04, 2014, 09:49:02 AM
When last years west coast races were set up, (without DMG), Where was he bad mouthing them? NOT!
He is one of the biggest whiners out there!
Let it go and go racing!!!!!! :boink:
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: MACOP1104 on December 04, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
So, is the Daytona 200 part of the ASRA sportbike series?  Not doing the 200 pretty much screws you out of the ASRA Sportbike championship.   Pretty much sucks for those on a budget.  Gonna take minimum 10 grand for a front runner to add that race to you race season.     
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: sdiver68 on December 04, 2014, 09:04:29 PM
Note that fuel and tire situation could change with 30 day notice as per the proposed rules.

I think almost anyone with an expert license can qualify within 2:05.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: LWT Racer on December 04, 2014, 09:51:57 PM
Considering SV650's can do that, I'd hope so. :)
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on December 05, 2014, 10:46:39 AM
Yeah Mark Gardner is a little sour.  I don't understand his motivation in poo pooing ASRA sanctionning the D200.  Given that MotoAmerica and the track couldn't come to an understanding, I see it as the next best thing.  The purse will certainly attract some Pro teams.

Personally, it gives me a chance to qualify for this race without the cost/aggrevation of getting a MotoAmerica Pro license.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Cowboy 6 on December 06, 2014, 07:23:27 AM
What a tool.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: flyboy75 on December 06, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
I'm pumped CCS stepped up to run this. They actually have rules and are taking imput from potential riders. What a novel idea! MotoAmerica for all the hype still hasn't realeased rules or licensing requirements. Add to that a big payout.... I hope we'll see some great racing. My only complaint....I wish they were running 1000's so I could compete! Lol
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on December 06, 2014, 07:51:05 PM
Hmmmm so your basic ASRA sportbike, but you can run slicks. I think it's awesome that CCS / ASRA is going to run the 200.

Any word on the TV package yet?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: supercarl on December 15, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
Purse info posted...

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/daytona-200-purse-breakdown-released/

Gotta say I am really impressed and looking forward to this even more now! Big thanks to CCS/ASRA for getting this together. Now I dont have to sell a kidney :P
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: flyboy75 on December 15, 2014, 05:26:34 PM
Carl, you got a spare 600 I can race?? J/k sort of......
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on December 15, 2014, 09:24:26 PM
Wondering what the entry fee will be? I hope it's not crazy high, I've been ordering parts for the last week!
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: MELK-MAN on December 15, 2014, 11:41:06 PM
Quote from: Gino230 on December 15, 2014, 09:24:26 PM
Wondering what the entry fee will be? I hope it's not crazy high, I've been ordering parts for the last week!

Kevin posted on FB somewhere, that it's $250 pre entry, $350 post entry Gino.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on December 16, 2014, 10:24:45 AM
That's not bad.....When we did MotoST I believe it was $500.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: supercarl on December 16, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Quote from: flyboy75 on December 15, 2014, 05:26:34 PM
Carl, you got a spare 600 I can race?? J/k sort of......

Actually I very well might have one lol. I still need to finalize my plans yet, but its a possibility.

And yea $250 pre-entry fee is not bad at all. With the purse I think there are going to be alot of bikes trying to qualify. I wouldnt be surprised if 100 bikes showed up.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: flyboy75 on December 17, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Nice!!! I might consider that  :ahhh:
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on December 22, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Any word on TV package? Would be nice to know for support purposes.....
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: supercarl on December 22, 2014, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: Gino230 on December 22, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Any word on TV package? Would be nice to know for support purposes.....

I would also like to know this^^

Anyone know if we are allowed to use bigger gas tanks? Or is that against the rules? Did not see anything about it in the Daytona 200 rulebook.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on December 23, 2014, 10:13:53 AM
No restriction according to the rulebook.

I'm also wondering about the fuel spec. I would like to have the bike complete by Feb. to test at Homestead during the CCS race.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Eric Kelcher on December 23, 2014, 01:13:56 PM
TV is still work in progress, Not my department so I don't much beyond that.

No gas tank restrictions, safe construction and caps/connection systems that are sealed(safe controlled venting)

Working on fuel specifications, should have details first week of January.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on December 25, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
Starting to think about getting my stuff down there.  Probably going to do the Homestead race in Feb, then CMP in March before the D200.  Does anyone from the Chicago area want to join force in getting our stuff down there.  I'm thinking of bringing the KTM 250xc enduro also - ride with Melka..
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: MELK-MAN on December 25, 2014, 04:32:11 PM
Quote from: SV88 on December 25, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
Starting to think about getting my stuff down there.  Probably going to do the Homestead race in Feb, then CMP in March before the D200.  Does anyone from the Chicago area want to join force in getting our stuff down there.  I'm thinking of bringing the KTM 250xc enduro also - ride with Melka..

Roebling Road is right before Daytona as well.. when was CMP ? yes. i'm always down for some fast woods riding.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on December 25, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
yeah I meant Roebling Road.  CMP is later.  I'll probably fly down for Roebling, stay down there, race the D200 and drive back.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: airfreek on December 31, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
Does anyone have an idea how many tire changes would be needed during the race?  I think I remember teans changing the rear at least once from watching past 200s on TV.  Will a front last the whole race?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: MELK-MAN on December 31, 2014, 07:57:44 PM
Quote from: airfreek on December 31, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
Does anyone have an idea how many tire changes would be needed during the race?  I think I remember teans changing the rear at least once from watching past 200s on TV.  Will a front last the whole race?

TOTALLY depends on your pace.. and what brand/compound you use, as well as your setup.  I know guys that did the entire team challenge (few less laps than the 200) on 1 rear (NOT close to 1:52 lap times obviously). Others, not the case. Needed a couple changes.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: tug296 on January 01, 2015, 01:26:16 AM
Did the 1st. Moto ST 8 hour there in 2006, spec Pirelli hard compound slicks, went through 3 rears and 2 fronts, we logged 785 miles or so. Bike was a 1999 Honda VTR1000, notorious for eating tires, but lap times never broke 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on January 01, 2015, 11:26:35 PM
As Greg says it depends on your pace. I think the Dunlop Daytona compound front will last the whole race at anything other than extremely fast paces (1:55 and under) but you will need at least one rear tire change.

However remember Jason Disalvo? Almost won the race about 2 or 3 years ago on one front.....

We have done the Team Challenge on Dunlops, UK Medium+ compound slicks and the tire still looked pretty good after the race. Then again, the lap times were about 2:00 for my stint, considerably higher (2:05?) for my partner.

I'm thinking at least two fuel stops on your average 600. Team challenge we are usually running out of fuel with about 5 laps to go.....that's on the Duc. 848 with standard 15.5 liter tank.

YMMV, of course :)
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on January 12, 2015, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: supercarl on December 22, 2014, 02:44:43 PM
I would also like to know this^^

Anyone know if we are allowed to use bigger gas tanks? Or is that against the rules? Did not see anything about it in the Daytona 200 rulebook.

This changed.....there was no restriction, now there is:

I.   Original capacity fuel tanks must be used. Tanks may be modified to accept a female dry brake valve(s) as long as capacity is not increased. Additional or secondary fuel tanks are strictly prohibited.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: apriliaman on January 14, 2015, 04:37:00 PM
Would like to know about on Thursday there is CCS practice if it is included with the races or you have to pay extra like a trackday?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Eric Kelcher on January 15, 2015, 08:27:21 AM
Quote from: apriliaman on January 14, 2015, 04:37:00 PM
Would like to know about on Thursday there is CCS practice if it is included with the races or you have to pay extra like a trackday?
Thursday (Fri, Sat, Sun) practice is included with entry in any race of the weekend.
Practice only is not available, you must enter at least one race.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: apriliaman on January 16, 2015, 12:27:41 AM
That's good!
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: stimpee on January 17, 2015, 02:50:11 PM
Perhaps I am clueless or have not been paying attention, but will this weekend have "normal" CCS races with classes such as Ultralight GT and Ultralight Thunderbike in addition to the "big show" of the 200? 


If so, are there any constraints on running the other races other than being licensed with CCS and being 16 years of age or older?


Thanks,
Steve
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: apriliaman on January 18, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
All CCS races will be running.As long as your 16 you can race at Daytona.
http://www.ccsracing.us/schedules/2015/2015_schedules_pdf/dis%202015%20march%20schedule%20.pdf
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on January 21, 2015, 04:48:20 PM
I'll soon pick up the R6 from Matt and Uship it down to Homestead for the first race of the year.  On a middly modified R6...running race fuel.  1 stop or two for the big D?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: apriliaman on January 22, 2015, 10:46:56 AM
Most likely you will have to stop 2 times for the race.Bikes should be pitting on laps 18-25 on first stop.Then in the 40's second stop.Race is 57 laps.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on January 28, 2015, 01:06:46 AM
When we have done the team challenge on the MW bike, it was 2 stops. The bike can go 20 laps max on one tank. Duc 848. You must run stock capacity fuel tanks.

Of course you're supersport legal, right?........... :)

Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on February 02, 2015, 08:39:00 AM
We're racing the short course right?  Only 2 nascar turns (3 & 4).  Makes it more technical less power and balls.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on February 03, 2015, 11:39:43 AM
No it's the full course.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on February 03, 2015, 04:06:47 PM
Here is my update guys.....would love to know what everyone else is doing to get ready......!

I partnered with Ken Hill Coaching for physical prep, nutrition coaching, meal planning, etc. I partnered with Moto Corse Performance in Fort Lauderdale for bike prep and crew support. Chris Boy from Moto Corse is a friend and is going to help me with the mental aspect of riding flat out for 200 miles.

Ken Hill immediately set me up with Phil Horowitz, AMA racer and a member of his Ken Hill Coaching team for detailed nutrition analysis and physical training. Since I am in Florida, everything will be done through email, phone and some other tools such as Strava (cycling / running app). Phil gave me a pretty good nutrition program to start on right away. I travel a lot for work, 3-4 days a week but we were still able to come up with a program that fits my schedule. I had to transition from running 2-3 times per week with strength training a couple of days to a more cycling focused program.

It has been about 8 weeks. Of course the holidays were tough, but even with all of the distractions, I am about 10 pounds lighter and feeling much stronger and more flexible.

After about 6 weeks I attended a track day, and was quite surprised how much better I felt on the bike- moving around the bike felt much more natural, body position came more easily and it felt like I was not even exerting myself doing the laps.

I also found a place to train on the minibike, so I'm trying to get that in once a week too. So I'm biking 2-3 times a week at 2.5-3 hours per stint, plus once a week cross train or yoga, and one 2 hour minibike outing. At least I am confident I will be physically ready!

On the other hand, bike prep is kind of a pain. I ordered $2500 worth of parts right before the holidays....they showed up last week and only one or two things fits. The Quick change gear from Fast Frank is beautiful, but it requires some engineering to work perfectly. The forks have to come apart for the fender mounts to be installed, calipers have to be trimmed down with a grinder. Also we're going to have to Mc Guyver up some kind of rig for the Nemesis TC that I currently run, it takes the place of one of the axle spacers that are normally captive. I bought a tank from Larry Pegram that was used on one of his AMA bikes, it's a beautiful hand crafted aluminum tank that probably holds an extra 10 liters- but Jan 18th they changed the rules and mandated stock capacity tanks. It's going to be too much trouble to refit this one with ping pong balls to reduce capacity, re-fit the dry break fitting I already have, and move the steering damper to fit. So a fuel cell is on order with dry-break already installed. The stock tank is plastic and I'd rather avoid retrofitting that with the dry break.

Rumor down here has it that there are over 100 entries anticipated, max track density is 80 so it's going to be the top 80 qualifiers. Still no word on the TV package....
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on February 04, 2015, 12:43:50 PM
I'm picking up my R6 from Matt Drucker tomorrow evening and it will be picked up by uship Friday evening for the long ride down to Homestead.  I've been refereeing a ton of ice hockey and doing a bit of ice riding.  I'll be racing @ homestead, Roebling roads and may do a track day @ Jennings to prep. for the D200.  I'm in the mid 190's now and would like to drop 10-15lbs before the race.  The bike has a quick change rear but I have to come up with a quick refuelling system.  I play to run the race on 2 rears and one front with probably 2 gas stops.

ex racer Friends from Chicago, Valdosta, DC, my son and hopefully my nephew from Ottawa (Canada)  will be crewing for me.

Flights are booked as is hotel for Thurs and Friday nights on Daytona beach
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on February 05, 2015, 10:01:52 AM
get on that quick fuel right away.....fuel cell is backed up for weeks making tanks, I'll be lucky to have mine for the race. They make quick fill systems for dirt bikes now that are cheaper, so you don't have to pay $400 for an ATL cap. But your mechanic will have to do some welding and machining to make it fit.

As I have learned these past weeks, nothing is simple. If you get the parts the week before the race, it's almost guaranteed something won't fit. Of course with an R6 it should be easier. Good luck and see you out there!
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: L8 Braker on February 07, 2015, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: Xian_13 on December 04, 2014, 05:57:20 AM
Based on last years best qualifying time (1:49.292), the 115% rule would let in anyone running 2:05.682.
Can someone break this equation down for me, please?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on February 08, 2015, 12:43:44 AM
Quote from: L8 Braker on February 07, 2015, 09:19:26 PM
Can someone break this equation down for me, please?

Convert 1.49 into seconds (109 seconds) and add 15% (16 seconds) and that equals 125 seconds. Convert back to minutes is 2:05.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on February 17, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
Pre-entry deadline???  Can't find it anywhere..
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Backmarker760 on February 17, 2015, 02:39:29 PM
Its on the schedule page ...


Pre-Entry Deadline: February 27 5pm Central
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on February 17, 2015, 04:56:56 PM
Thanks BM760
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: supercarl on February 19, 2015, 02:30:42 PM
Does anyone know if you have to send this sheet in if you are only using your one free spot?
http://www.ccsracing.us/forms/2015/misc/2015%20d200%20wk%20ro%20lot%20payment%20info.pdf

Not sure if everyone staying there needs to send one in or only if you are having to pay for a spot?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: ahastings on February 20, 2015, 07:07:32 PM
I would say yes as the rider/owner camping lot spots are all reserved and you need a pass for your rv to park in there
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Eric Kelcher on February 21, 2015, 12:18:11 PM
.
Quote from: supercarl on February 19, 2015, 02:30:42 PM
Does anyone know if you have to send this sheet in if you are only using your one free spot?
http://www.ccsracing.us/forms/2015/misc/2015%20d200%20wk%20ro%20lot%20payment%20info.pdf

Not sure if everyone staying there needs to send one in or only if you are having to pay for a spot?
Yes, notate in the payment field that you are a 200 entrant, for add'l spots/non 200 entrant include payment info.

If you are needing more than 1 spot for team send in together and notate that.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: supercarl on February 23, 2015, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on February 21, 2015, 12:18:11 PM
.Yes, notate in the payment field that you are a 200 entrant, for add'l spots/non 200 entrant include payment info.

If you are needing more than 1 spot for team send in together and notate that.

Thanks for the info Eric! Just faxed the form in a little while ago.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on March 02, 2015, 07:45:10 PM
Now that pre entry is closed, can you tell us what the entry list looks like?

Also I remember seeing (Maybe on the WERA forum?) some extra contingency, such as Fast Frank, etc. Can we use the standard 2015 contingency form?

Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Eric Kelcher on March 02, 2015, 08:25:14 PM
Here is the awards and requirements for the 200 contingency.
http://www.asraracing.com/Forms/2015/2015%20Daytona%20contingency%20awards.pdf

I had to leave the office to get stuff mailed for the Roebling race this weekend, but I believe Kevin was getting a list together of the pre-entered riders that will be going to media outlets tonight/morning.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on March 02, 2015, 10:17:47 PM
Found it! BOOM!
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: smokey999 on March 02, 2015, 11:30:09 PM
So whats the max number of bikes are you going to run? Is it going to be a 40 bike field, I mean it can't be much more than that seeing as how pit road could get pretty busy.......

Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Eric Kelcher on March 03, 2015, 08:20:50 AM
80 bikes is max starting grid.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: sdiver68 on March 04, 2015, 09:49:54 AM
Quick question, when do payouts occur?  The same weekend?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: kpshreve on March 06, 2015, 08:54:13 PM
Has anyone heard anything about TV coverage yet??
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on March 07, 2015, 07:55:35 PM
I heard a highlight show was confirmed for a week or so after the race?
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: supercarl on March 09, 2015, 03:53:42 PM
I would also love to hear about tv coverage or online streaming!
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on March 10, 2015, 10:27:29 AM
I also spoke to someone about filming a show there. This person does a weekly show about motorcycle life in South Florida, it airs on Sun Sports network. Said he contacted ASRA and Daytona to get permission to film and they wanted a huge up front sum of cash to allow him on the property. So much for promotion :( I think it was the speedway people that were the issue.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: nevenelestate on March 10, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
It would definitely be nice to see the race, even if it is a week or weeks later. Some coverage is better than no coverage.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: SV88 on March 11, 2015, 12:01:12 AM
read that FansChoicetv.com was to provide live streaming.
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: Gino230 on March 11, 2015, 10:02:29 AM
Really? That wasn't for the flat track? If so.....great news!
Title: Re: Daytona 200
Post by: IFMracing on March 11, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
From what I've seen it is not going to be streamed.

"ASRA was also looking to set up online streaming with Fanschoice.TV, but was unfortunately unable to secure it for this year's big event and looks towards next year."


http://www.cyclenews.com/305/31652/Racing-Article/No-TV-For-The-Daytona-200.aspx