I know it's too early to be thinking of this but has anyone seen or ridden the NCM Motorsports Park in Bowling Green KY? MCRA has an event there October 25 and 26th.
Anyway we could get that on the calendar for next year for the Midwest?
Bump!
Rode on it yesterday it's an awesome track surface and the layout is very cool. There is way too much Armco too close to the track for CCS to even think about racing there. That would have to change before any organization would probably consider racing there. Although with enough air fence I guess anything is possible. Remember this is just my opinion.
When can we expect to see a 2015 schedule?
I know the Corvette racers liked it.
Quote from: Gino230 on October 27, 2014, 12:11:20 PM
When can we expect to see a 2015 schedule?
Most likely mid November.
I just wish ccs went to barber! Talk about everyone coming out to race that weekend!
Quote from: smokey999 on October 27, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
I just wish ccs went to barber! Talk about everyone coming out to race that weekend!
They have.
it's incredibly expensive to rent Barber, and as i understand it, that was usually a money loser for ccs..
Quote from: MELK-MAN on October 28, 2014, 10:42:36 AM
it's incredibly expensive to rent Barber, and as i understand it, that was usually a money loser for ccs..
More so expensive than Road America? When CCS was there, I think the 1st year CCS went there, they had it in the Midwest schedule. Kinda silly. think they went there 2-3 yrs total. Unsure about that.
the last year that CCS went to Barber there was a very low turnout of racers. was my first full year racing and had been super crowded earlier in the year with the other org. i was really surprised at the lack of turnout. if i remember correctly the other org raced in May and the CCS event that year was August! summer vacation, Sturgis and school fixing to start back up may have contributed. heat and humidity couldn't have helped. 2009 i think. i love that track! still some corners i haven't crashed at yet, haha!
tim
Same money issues as Road Atlanta, could no longer afford it.
CCS went to Barber from '03 to '09. Turnout dropped every year.
My first time was in' 04. Huge turnout. http://www.ccsracing.us/x/results/2004/081504-barberccs.htm
But it's a really long drive for most. 12 hours for me in middle of the Mid-Atlantic. And the rising cost of gas+recession in those final years wasn't helping.
Although the AHRMA folks had a great turnout at Barber and over 63,000 paid spectators.
Yep 44 in GT Lights in 2004!! i was there in 2006 and there was like 35 then by 2009 only 6 bikes.
AHRMA has so many people that want to race Barber that they won't accept your entry unless you've raced with them elsewhere that season.
Definitely going there next season with them.
Everyone must be drunk at the ahrma weekend. The laptimes are slowwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Quote from: MACOP1104 on October 30, 2014, 02:57:22 PM
Everyone must be drunk at the ahrma weekend. The laptimes are slowwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Have you seen the bikes???
I was watching one race at Daytona and I swear I thought it was the Harley parade lap.
PS They do have free beer during the awards presentation after the races. Kinda neat hearing "the bar is open!" over the PA.
Quote from: Gino230 on October 30, 2014, 09:52:19 PM
Have you seen the bikes???
I was watching one race at Daytona and I swear I thought it was the Harley parade lap.
PS They do have free beer during the awards presentation after the races. Kinda neat hearing "the bar is open!" over the PA.
Gotta spell it out for you... :)
He's talking about all you FL guys on your Ducati's. Slow as hell at Barber.
I can't say, I wasn't there. Maybe you should come out for AHRMA so we can settle this discussion once and for all? But then again, it will just be me "cheating" on my big bore Duc Hybrid, right? :whine:
In all seriousness, I have never been but I am aware that Barber is a very technical track, and not easy to learn.
And I do get the inference (however tiring it may be) that the WERA championship is so much more "real" because it's at Barber and not Daytona. So I guess that's why at the GNF there is only half the # of riders in the MW fields? And all those AMA regulars I raced against at Daytona must have just been going for an easy win, right? Pinning it around the banking is all?
Sv's don't win at Daytona, no chance with big ducs. But at barber, if you look at lap times. SV can win. Xaiver Zayat with a 1:33.6, stock bore SV650. Mavros, 1:45 on his 800, 1:38 on his 848. Peulo was 1:48ish on his 1170rs. So Please try and back up Daytona and how it's not pin it to win it (in light weight classes) when the guys that do very well on those all FL pin it, poin and shoot tracks can't do shit at Barber?
There are other who will do well where ever, like Melka. Obviously the guy can flat out ride anything, putting him on that duc depot 1100 hybrid is just insane combination and very fun to watch.
lightweight grids were HUGE at GNF.
http://lwtracer.com/roadracing/x-man-crushes-barber-at-2014-wera-gnf/
Quote from: Gino230 on October 30, 2014, 09:52:19 PM
Have you seen the bikes???
I was watching one race at Daytona and I swear I thought it was the Harley parade lap.
PS They do have free beer during the awards presentation after the races. Kinda neat hearing "the bar is open!" over the PA.
I'm not clear on the AHRMA class rules, I just looked at the lap times of known riders and the machines they were on. I'm assuming some of it had to do with the more relaxed atmosphere of Ahrma racing, but that is pure speculation on my part.
Xavier's performance certainly threw off the bell shaped curve. But even after removing Xavier from the equation, there is a huge difference in lap times between the AHRMA and WERA weekend. During the WEERA GNF, over 1/2 the field in lwtss were running sub 40 lap times with the majority running in the 38s on 75ish hp SV650s. Robby McClendon (a very talented and fast rider) won an AHRMA race doing 40s. At the WERA weekend on the same SV, he got down to 35s and that got him a 3rd place in F2.
No doubt Barber is a very technical and challenging track. It is a track that favors rider's talent over HP. Perfect!
Quote from: Swiest on October 31, 2014, 10:38:33 AM
Mavros, 1:45 on his 800, 1:38 on his 848. Peulo was 1:48ish on his 1170rs. So Please try and back up Daytona and how it's not pin it to win it (in light weight classes) when the guys that do very well on those all FL pin it, poin and shoot tracks can't do shit at Barber?
Puleo has never won anything at Daytona to my knowledge, (except last year when we co-rode to second in the TC) so how is comparing the 12th place rider to your local ringer apples to apples? Yes Mavros is a winner, against guys like Ricky Orlando, John Gaelefke, etc at Daytona. They were also on fast bikes.
I submit that Pony (Rodolpho Ramirez), or Silva could have been top 3 on an SV at Barber too?
Sure, the Ducs have an advantage at Daytona. I won't argue that one bit.
But to say that the GNF is a better judge of talent is horse sh*t and you know it. The fastest guys are going to win, period. By the way, I didn't see your name on any of those results so what exactly are we debating here?
Quote from: MACOP1104 on October 31, 2014, 01:08:26 PM
I'm not clear on the AHRMA class rules, I just looked at the lap times of known riders and the machines they were on. I'm assuming some of it had to do with the more relaxed atmosphere of Ahrma racing, but that is pure speculation on my part.
Xavier's performance certainly threw off the bell shaped curve. But even after removing Xavier from the equation, there is a huge difference in lap times between the AHRMA and WERA weekend. During the WEERA GNF, over 1/2 the field in lwtss were running sub 40 lap times with the majority running in the 38s on 75ish hp SV650s. Robby McClendon (a very talented and fast rider) won an AHRMA race doing 40s. At the WERA weekend on the same SV, he got down to 35s and that got him a 3rd place in F2.
No doubt Barber is a very technical and challenging track. It is a track that favors rider's talent over HP. Perfect!
I agree in principle. However the level of competition is not the same in AHRMA. It's a laid back place to race. Of course people are always trying to win. But rarely would the top 5 in an AHRMA race also be the top 5 in the same class at another club.
Quote from: Swiest on October 31, 2014, 12:42:27 PM
lightweight grids were HUGE at GNF.
http://lwtracer.com/roadracing/x-man-crushes-barber-at-2014-wera-gnf/
I'm glad to see that, really. If I were an SV rider, I would not look forward to Daytona either. The rules in WERA favor the SV and that's great, CCS clearly uses a different formula and it works for us.
Didn't say win, I said do well......
It's not horsesht. yes in most cases, the best rider will win but in other cases best rider couldn't win at Daytona if he doesn't have the $$$ to buy HP. That's is problem with Daytona, even if you are the best, you could not win if you don't have the pockets to buy the bike. But at barber, you can win with a $3,000 bike.
You don't see me on either list because it's a very far drive and I'm a poor SV rider :cheers:
Quote from: Gino230 on October 31, 2014, 01:18:32 PM
I'm glad to see that, really. If I were an SV rider, I would not look forward to Daytona either. The rules in WERA favor the SV and that's great, CCS clearly uses a different formula and it works for us.
I did 3 CCS weekends this year. Roebling in March, VIR in June and September. In 2015, I might do one CCS weekend. It makes no sense spending money on a series if I'm not participating at the end of year championship round.
Quote from: Swiest on October 31, 2014, 01:21:54 PM
Didn't say win, I said do well......
It's not horsesht. yes in most cases, the best rider will win but in other cases best rider couldn't win at Daytona if he doesn't have the $$$ to buy HP. That's is problem with Daytona, even if you are the best, you could not win if you don't have the pockets to buy the bike. But at barber, you can win with a $3,000 bike.
You don't see me on either list because it's a very far drive and I'm a poor SV rider :cheers:
Well I'm glad to see we're all friends again :cheers:
Quote from: MACOP1104 on October 31, 2014, 02:15:03 PM
I did 3 CCS weekends this year. Roebling in March, VIR in June and September. In 2015, I might do one CCS weekend. It makes no sense spending money on a series if I'm not participating at the end of year championship round.
I understand how you feel. I did that this year, hitting almost every CCS round for FL. I missed a couple due to work, but for the most part I was at every round. I am right there for a couple championshps, and I did pretty well at Daytona so I'm happy. But next year I'm ready for something new. 15 years hitting the same tracks, I am ready for a new challenge. Of course the MW races are very different, so I'm feeling great about that, too.
I'm thinking about doing AHRMA in Laguna and Sonoma, (back to back), then Barber in Oct. and Daytona. I was hoping to do AMA SS in Daytona, but looks like that event isn't going to happen. So maybe Road Atlanta or ?
Bucket list time :)
Well the CCS FL schedule is up. Should be down there with the R6 potentially in Dec, Feb, Mar.
Quote from: Swiest on October 31, 2014, 10:38:33 AM
Sv's don't win at Daytona, no chance with big ducs. But at barber, if you look at lap times. SV can win. Xaiver Zayat with a 1:33.6, stock bore SV650. Mavros, 1:45 on his 800, 1:38 on his 848. Peulo was 1:48ish on his 1170rs. So Please try and back up Daytona and how it's not pin it to win it (in light weight classes) when the guys that do very well on those all FL pin it, poin and shoot tracks can't do shit at Barber?
There are other who will do well where ever, like Melka. Obviously the guy can flat out ride anything, putting him on that duc depot 1100 hybrid is just insane combination and very fun to watch.
At Daytona in the LWSS race Darrin had the lead on the first lap till he went on the banking then he got passed like he wasn't even there.By the time he got to the finish line he was 4 seconds behind in the first lap.His top speed on gps was only 136 mph on a Supersport SV 650.He can do 1:31 at NJMP and as you know that is fast on that bike.
1:32 at NJMP is best Mavros could do on their big HP fancy duc, what's that tell you about Daytona? :)
Quote from: Gino230 on October 31, 2014, 01:18:32 PM
If I were an SV rider, I would not look forward to Daytona either.
Completely agree.
QuoteThe rules in WERA favor the SV and that's great,
Complete BS. The WERA rules do not 'favor' the SV. Unless of course, you consider the lack of stacking the deck for the Ducati favoring. The WERA rules are very fair and either bike can win on any given weekend. In fact, if you are a Ducati guy, you should LOVE WERA! You have to run the 1000/1100 with SS rules. Not only do you save a boat load of cash on bike prep, the darn thing will run for EVER without a rebuild.
QuoteCCS clearly uses a different formula and it works for us.
Yes, they do and oh yes, it does. CCS rules are wanting in so many ways when it comes to the lightweight classes. CCS not only uses LW as a dumping ground for uncompetitive MW bikes (748,749 etc), they have zero contact with reality when it comes to classing by potential vs current configuration.
Cowboy for president.
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on November 01, 2014, 06:15:25 AM
Completely agree.
Complete BS. The WERA rules do not 'favor' the SV. Unless of course, you consider the lack of stacking the deck for the Ducati favoring. The WERA rules are very fair and either bike can win on any given weekend. In fact, if you are a Ducati guy, you should LOVE WERA! You have to run the 1000/1100 with SS rules. Not only do you save a boat load of cash on bike prep, the darn thing will run for EVER without a rebuild.
Yes, they do and oh yes, it does. CCS rules are wanting in so many ways when it comes to the lightweight classes. CCS not only uses LW as a dumping ground for uncompetitive MW bikes (748,749 etc), they have zero contact with reality when it comes to classing by potential vs current configuration.
I agree with some of your points, but I think you're a little bitter when it comes to the CCS rule book.
I did run a stock 1000DS for 5 years, and the bike was very competitive, even at Datyona where I won the EX LW SS race in '08. At that time the bike to beat was the Buell 1200 and it was a very competitive matchup. Even a well built SV could keep up. And yes I ran it on pump gas with only basic maintenance the whole time.
Of course that was SEVEN years ago and progress marches on, and of course the SV hasn't kept up as well as other designs that have proven that they can be built to a higher limit. How long before it's eligible for WERA Vintage??
The 748/749 argument is complete horse crap, they are allowed in Thunderbike and LWF40. Sportsman classes, not "all the LW classes". Do you know what Thunderbike used to be called? MW Sportsman. In addition, CCS has added Ultra LW which is similar (if not more restrictive to the Ducati) to the WERA LW classes, Ducs limited to 800 cc.
So let me get this straight- the SV is a 15 year old design, you have your own class, SV's still win the majority of LW races in CCS, and still the SV riders are claiming "no fair" because a new Ducati Paul Smart is beating them at Daytona??
And before Sam chimes in with "LW is ruined because you can't be competitive on a $3,000 SV anymore" let me say this: LW is no more a "budget" class than MW Supersport is. The riders with the newest and best equipment will always have an advantage. You want a fixed budget? 500 Supersport.
Quote from: Swiest on October 31, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
1:32 at NJMP is best Mavros could do on their big HP fancy duc, what's that tell you about Daytona? :)
It tells me you're trying to use one rider's times to justify a complete remake of the class structure while throwing out every other piece of the puzzle.
By that logic, let's look at Jon Foy or Kat Zimpel's times. They are running MW machinery and by using their times, the R6 should be allowed in LW at Daytona.
All this arguing about the lightweight class is a moot point.
Does Kevin even read any of this stuff? If he doesn't, we are all just talking to ourselves.
What is the point to having this discussion if the people that make the changes are not even listening or, only listen once a year during the rule change proposal time.
Second, with no modern viable options for LW there is nothing we can do but live with the current situation.
Of course, when there are new options, like the KTM RC390 or Yamaha R3 they are ignored in order to preserve the 250 ninjas...
We don't know what's happening until 2015 rulebook comes out
Quote from: Capitalview on November 02, 2014, 06:29:37 PM
All this arguing about the lightweight class is a moot point.
Does Kevin even read any of this stuff? If he doesn't, we are all just talking to ourselves.
What is the point to having this discussion if the people that make the changes are not even listening or, only listen once a year during the rule change proposal time.
Second, with no modern viable options for LW there is nothing we can do but live with the current situation.
Of course, when there are new options, like the KTM RC390 or Yamaha R3 they are ignored in order to preserve the 250 ninjas...
Of course you're correct! I'm just happy to have someone to talk racing with, even if it means re-hashing the same argument 4 times a year. Guess that doesn't say much about my personal life. Really, I've got plenty of people to talk to.....just not many of them care too much about racing unfortunately. :cheers: :blahblah:
How about letting the new Ducati 821 into LW then!
get out.
Ha! Not going to happen. That's a destroked 848 and it would be too easy to make it too fast.
If anything, the SV crowd should be happy about this bike. With Ducati ceasing production of the air cooled motors, it's going to be harder and harder to keep the big bore ducs going. The only way to get real power is by using the latest set of cases from the hypermotard with the top ignition pickup. Those are getting rare already. Unfortunately the writing is on the wall :(
Which leaves us with the FZ-07 ( if it doesn't suck) otherwise SV and air cooled Ducs will stay popular.
Quote from: Capitalview on November 02, 2014, 06:29:37 PM
All this arguing about the lightweight class is a moot point.
Does Kevin even read any of this stuff? If he doesn't, we are all just talking to ourselves.
What is the point to having this discussion if the people that make the changes are not even listening or, only listen once a year during the rule change proposal time.
Second, with no modern viable options for LW there is nothing we can do but live with the current situation.
Of course, when there are new options, like the KTM RC390 or Yamaha R3 they are ignored in order to preserve the 250 ninjas...
CCSforums is no direct affiliation with CCS Racing other than using CCS in the forum name and that most of us race with CCS. This site is owned by a CCS racer. I don't even remember if Kevin even has an account on here.
Gino, close. But Thunderbike was HW Sportsman not MW. :)
Quote from: Gino230 on November 02, 2014, 10:28:03 AM
I agree with some of your points, but I think you're a little bitter when it comes to the CCS rule book.
Yes I am. I've never said I wasn't so no discovery here. I would love to see more folks come out and have the CCS LW grids up where they used to be. I am not in Florida. Our situation is different here. I know many ex CCS LW riders who either run WERA now, changed class, or just quit racing altogether as a result of said rule book.
QuoteI did run a stock 1000DS for 5 years, and the bike was very competitive, even at Datyona where I won the EX LW SS race in '08. At that time the bike to beat was the Buell 1200 and it was a very competitive matchup. Even a well built SV could keep up. And yes I ran it on pump gas with only basic maintenance the whole time.
Thanks for making my point.
QuoteThe 748/749 argument is complete horse crap, they are allowed in Thunderbike and LWF40.
I NEVER said "all LW classes." LW F40 is a LW class..... Never said anything about Thunderbike. I think that they (748/749) do indeed belong in that class. The SV does not and is upclassing to run it.
QuoteSo let me get this straight- the SV is a 15 year old design, you have your own class, SV's still win the majority of LW races in CCS, and still the SV riders are claiming "no fair" because a new Ducati Paul Smart is beating them at Daytona??
Plain answer. No. I have many different bikes including a very potent 1100 DS. From the seat of that bike, I say that it doesn't belong in LW. So your argument of me "having my own class" (as a lowly SV rider) is baseless.
QuoteAnd before Sam chimes in with "LW is ruined because you can't be competitive on a $3,000 SV anymore" let me say this: LW is no more a "budget" class than MW Supersport is. The riders with the newest and best equipment will always have an advantage. You want a fixed budget? 500 Supersport.
Wow... I think there is a real communication issue here. First, LW used to be a great budget class as well as a starting point for riders to determine if racing was for them without getting rides to the ER from the chaos of the MW meatgrinder. You are correct in your description of the current status of CCS LW classes. However, you seem to overlook that many of us have been discussing this issue for YEARS. And, there was no such animal as 500SS in the first place. In addition, the MW class has always been very volitile as far as machinery goes. You have to plan on getting new bikes all the time to keep up with technology. LW was never like that. Your comparison is false. However, what we do have is someone being able to go out and buy a $40,000 Bimota that comes with every "superbike" option from the factory on a world class chasis and because it has a 2 valve air cooled engine and comes off the showroom floor, it's allowed in LW Supersport. What MW bike fits that description and performance differential? I would propose that it would look a lot like a BMW S1000RR. However, every current 600 still has a world class chasis so the difference is only in HP. And, the BMW is still well under $20,000 so I guess you could buy two? I think that would very much indeed make a great MW pit.
Our position has been that with the small (at the time) rule tweaks we proposed, there would have been no need for the 500 class (it would still be Ultralight) in the first place. And, no one would have to buy a bike (Ninja 300, CBR 500 etc.) that they really wouldn't want to ride on the street in the first place.
Please stop seeing our argument about the CCS LW classes as some sort of complaint. The facts are that certain bikes that are currently allowed in LW are regularly running lap times that would put them in the top five in the MW classes. I own two very fast SVs and a well built 1000DS. I have raced them both. I am here to tell you that the superbike prepped 1100 Ducati is not a good fit in LW. I do this not to "whine or cry" but to try to promote a positive change that will allow others to have a reasonable entry point to our sport that will allow them to learn in a slightly safer environment and still have fun without having to run an anemic 250 (for a full grown adult here).
Apologize in advance but I don't know how to multi quote....
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on November 03, 2014, 01:01:40 PM
the MW class has always been very volitile as far as machinery goes. You have to plan on getting new bikes all the time to keep up with technology. LW was never like that.
What about when the SV came out? If you didn't have one, your EX500 or Hawk was getting left in the dust. I agree it doesn't happen as often, because these are not bikes that are constantly updated. If they were, we wouldn't be having the discussion over which 10 year old design is more "fair"
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on November 03, 2014, 01:01:40 PM
I would love to see more folks come out and have the CCS LW grids up where they used to be. I am not in Florida. Our situation is different here. I know many ex CCS LW riders who either run WERA now, changed class, or just quit racing altogether as a result of said rule book.
At Roebling in March of this year there were 38 bikes in the GTL race. 28 experts and 10 Amateurs. That's more than the WERA GNF! We are running the same rule book as you are, and yet the grids are big. So perhaps it's not the rule book's fault that the grids are smaller where you race?
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on November 03, 2014, 01:01:40 PM
However, what we do have is someone being able to go out and buy a $40,000 Bimota that comes with every "superbike" option from the factory on a world class chasis and because it has a 2 valve air cooled engine and comes off the showroom floor, it's allowed in LW Supersport.
Not to squabble over $10,000, but the Bimota was $30K in full race trim. I agree that is exorbitant. However, there aren't any that are running LW supersport, are there? And the only one that I know of that has won ANY races lately was at Daytona this year with Robertino Pietri riding. I'm sorry but he would have won on almost anything.
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on November 03, 2014, 01:01:40 PM
The facts are that certain bikes that are currently allowed in LW are regularly running lap times that would put them in the top five in the MW classes.
Maybe so, and of course there are riders running MW machines who's lap times would place them in the top 5 in the unlimited races. I don't see that as proof of anything.
I don't really get what you mean about the 500 class and LW?
What I do know is that LW rules are always going to be a bit of a mashup. It's not like the 600 class where machines are designed to have some parity. LW is a class that is made up of the "rest of" the machines that are not on par with Middleweights. Of course over time that standard has advanced. Surely you don't propose that we go back to the EX500 days? And I'm sure you wouldn't want to see participation drop even further- sure, we could go back to 800 cc limit on Ducatis, kick the Buells out completely, and basically have the Ultra LW rules for all the LW classes. Do you think that would accomplish your goal of attracting new riders?
I for one think the rules are fine as they are, if someone doesn't want to go into the MW "meat grinder" they can still get the much talked about $3,000 SV, have Ultra LW as their most competitive class, and still be able to race and learn in 4 or 5 other LW classes. Try telling Pony or Lucas Silva you can't win on an SV against the Ducatis and Bimotas.....
Why should we restrict the entire group so that the occasional newbie can be competitive? Racing is not like that. Most people get their start on a less expensive, less competitive machine and move up from there.
Just remember, when it's over out there, we're all on the same team.
Time to buzz the tower.
Since I am relatively new to the CCS race scene I was curious about the origins of these lwt discussions. It seems this has been going on since beginning of time. Back in 2006 it was about Buells and BMWs with some Ducati too.
light weight legal bike? http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php/topic,14589.15.html
I did like this quote though for 8 years ago...but you have read down through the rest of it.
Quote from: PJ on August 20, 2006, 10:17:41 PM
I think the LW classes provide the most diverse, entertaining and competitive grid in CCS. Liquid-cooled Ninja and SV 650/700s, air-cooled Ducati 900/944/1000s, air-cooled Buell 984/1200s, and air-cooled BMW 1150/1200s. Add GP 125s and 250s for the GP class, and it's a pretty cool mix.
Check the results and you'll see that riders of each of these bikes can and do win LW races (and some bump up and run competitively in Thunderbike and SuperTwins).
Maybe it's time for you to man up and learn how to ride faster, Mr. Lightweight. You're lucky you have a rider of Nate's caliber to race against and learn from. He will make you faster for chasing him, just as racing against Ed Key in the Midwest region has done for me and many others.
Sigh......
Now THAT was entertaining! That thread was a great read. I remember racing against those guys, they were some fast dudes. Of course that was before Ed and Nate's encounter at Daytona....
Seriously, we should start a thread called "trophy girl photos" and see how long it takes for it to turn into a LW rules discussion.
No thread is safe.
Quote from: Swiest on November 04, 2014, 10:56:38 AM
What's the matter Joe?
Oh nothing..... just switched to a conversation with the wall in my office. Already making better progress....
Any chance of going to Putnam for the MW next year?
Quote from: Capitalview on November 03, 2014, 08:56:56 AM
How about letting the new Ducati 821 into LW then!
I dynod a 2013 821 hypermotard SP. Made 99hp and a bunch of torque.
I understand the 2015 schedule isn't ready yet. anybody know when the 2015 license applications will be available? I'm a new racer so I have no idea
Listen Ghost, we're way off topic here, how dare you interfere!
Seriously, I think you can send in the 2014 application and they will process it. Email Kevin Elliot or Eric Kelcher and they'll help you out.
eric.kelcher@ccsracing.us
Welcome to the club!
Thanks Gino, Eric said hopefully this week.
I'm looking forward to next season...
Quote from: Capitalview on November 04, 2014, 04:43:32 PM
Any chance of going to Putnam for the MW next year?
Doubtful. Heard the track owner(s) don't like us. Also no camping nor electricity there.
Hell I'd like to see other tracks added and maybe get back to 10-12 weekends a season like it was when I started. Maybe other tracks like Autobahn, Gratten, Gingerman (usually low turn out but maybe that could change), Brainerd (oh THAT would be fun), MAM, Hastings and maybe even Mid-O. Maybe even a couple newer tracks Prairie Hills Motorsports Club (NW Indiana),
Brainard woudl be great! They repaved a lot of it I understand.
Quote from: bruce71198 on October 27, 2014, 11:13:10 AM
Rode on it yesterday it's an awesome track surface and the layout is very cool. There is way too much Armco too close to the track for CCS to even think about racing there. That would have to change before any organization would probably consider racing there. Although with enough air fence I guess anything is possible. Remember this is just my opinion.
Rode on the corvette track on the 27th also. I was told the track is considering moving guard rail and adding more air fence. It's fast and very technical. I hope it is considered.
MW schedule: I'm speculating a lot here but I'm deducing that RA will be July 3-5 and two BHF dates are July 18-18 and Sept. 26-27. Can anyone fill in any other dates? Curious if Topeka will be back on...
Does anyone know the reason the Topeka was dropped last year? I asked around a few times but no one really had an answer. Just curious...
Quote from: jfboothe on November 26, 2014, 03:37:33 PM
Does anyone know the reason the Topeka was dropped last year? I asked around a few times but no one really had an answer. Just curious...
Scheduling conflict. Tough Mudder rented that weekend first even though they also told ccs they had it also that weekend is what I heard. Apparently goofballs running around in mud takes more priority than using a race track to hold races.
Ok...more somewhat informed speculation..Motovid's only Friday date @ BHF is May 15th, so it's highly likely that will precced a BHF weekend.
Quote from: Capitalview on November 08, 2014, 11:50:05 AM
Brainard woudl be great! They repaved a lot of it I understand.
Brainerd is awesome! Excellent repave!
http://www.ccsracing.us/schedules/2015/2015%20asra%20ccs%20schedule.pdf
Is the April round at CMP actually dropped from MA this year??
yes why is daytona added to mid atlantic and CMP dropped? this back to back weekend rounds for RRR and daytona is alot of travel for MA competitors unless us people with jobs are expected to take a whole week off of work and just stay down there....when i think of the mid atlantic region the state of FL doesnt come to mind
CCS/ASRA picking up Daytona makes perfect sense, but making it a MA round doesn't. They are just doing it in hopes to create a bigger turn out.
So yes Jason, if you live up north, you gotta take basically a week and a half off of work. Already know of people considering it.
CMP should be MA because besides VIR, it's the most "MA" track .
The MW schedule is disappointing. No ACC or Gingerman. Will probably run WERA Grattan in early May if the snow is gone...lol. Any date on the MW banquet? no danger for me to have won anything but want to come out on the ice with the newish KTM...
I won't be missing the shift lever this time...lol
If you look at the bottom to the MW schedule it clearly states that (Additional dates and locations TBD) I "have" heard from Kevin regarding the MW region, and he says that he is working on 1 maybe 2 different venues and dates. He just has not heard back from them yet. Be patient young Jedi....
He did not say.
Quote from: JWZelibor on December 02, 2014, 10:13:42 AM
yes why is daytona added to mid atlantic and CMP dropped? this back to back weekend rounds for RRR and daytona is alot of travel for MA competitors unless us people with jobs are expected to take a whole week off of work and just stay down there....when i think of the mid atlantic region the state of FL doesnt come to mind
Georgia either (South Carolina for that matter)... and lets make it double points so you don't have a chance at a championship if you don't go.....
Oh well, I guess I only hit the convenient rounds again in 2015 since there's no incentive to hit them all....
Sooo CMP is remaining off the MA schedule then??
Rookie here so please forgive dumb questions... When do race #'s get assigned?
When you sign up for your licence
Ok, did that quite a while ago. Let me re-structure.....When do we find out? via mail, e mail??
Mail. When you get your licence. You can call or email their office , otherwise be patient and you will soon get it.
They certainly can't call / email each racer individually just to relay their number.
The are plenty of opportunities to ride National Corvette Museum track this year. I encourage everyone to ride it and see for yourself. I found it to be no more dangerous then certain configurations of Road America or Road Atlanta. Improvements are being made this winter and continuously after that.
Just my $.02 it's a very fun track, IMHO.
I totally agree with sdiver68 come out and ride NCM ! Midwest Trackdays has 3 weekends scheduled there this season may 2-3 june 27-28 and sept 5-7 labor day day weekend !