What is the logic behind CCS gridding race events by order of entry received? It seems to be more fair if grids were set based on points standings in that class followed by received entry date. This rewards the person who is working hard to attend the events and get good results.
asuumption here- Gets the committment in earlier?
Quote from: majicMARKer on April 06, 2011, 04:08:31 PM
asuumption here- Gets the committment in earlier?
Hell, yeah! It's a financially competitive market for grid position.
Grids are small enough that it doesn't even make a difference.
Quote from: Gixxerblade on April 11, 2011, 10:40:22 AM
Grids are small enough that it doesn't even make a difference.
Yep! AND we have already beat this horse to death! :spank:
I seem to remember Joe pointing me which way to pass on tje grid at Roebling.
Quote from: majicMARKer on April 11, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
I seem to remember Joe pointing me which way to pass on tje grid at Roebling.
Just trying to keep us all safe. Being a lonely 2-stroke in a sea of 4-strokes makes coming off the line much harder to do. Big 4T twins are so much easier to launch than my bike. I have zero toque until about 7,000 to 7,500 RPM and then it hits hard. I either wheelie or bog off the line. But, once rolling she runs pretty good.
Joe, you best start in the back and yeah you are ultrafast on that Aprilia. One of these days I will come to ride one.
I think we should all go to qualifying times ! ! ! But that is just MY opinion. . ! ! !
I personally would like to see the grids set by lap times.
For me it doesnt matter. Being on a smaller displacement bike I get killed on the start and many times get stuck behind them going into T1. I typically get by a few of them at T1 but lose out again on the straights.
They like to do it by entry so folks sign up sooner I suppose. It should be really easy to obtain grids from those timed practices. Shouldn't be too much work right?
In speculation the two issues would be first, there would be no need to sign up early. Didn't I see at east one round this year being cancelled due to lack of participation? If they don't see any pre-entries then why bother hold the round? Would you as the race promoter dish out the $16K for the two days only to take the hit with no participation?
Secondly, I can just see more of the folks trying to get a better starting grid and running harder in practice to accomplish this. could this relate to more crashes because racers are attempting to go faster by pushing the limits a little harder? Just saying.
Mark
Makes since to me.... Plus I can float a check at sign up and still make it to the races ;)
I have no doubt they do it to promote early entrys but to my mind it's an unsafe practise when it comes to racing. You want the serious fast guys up front so they are not having to carve through slower riders. I've been tossing up between WERA and CCS and this is one of the things that seriously puts me off of CCS
Quote from: schoops on August 12, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
I have no doubt they do it to promote early entrys but to my mind it's an unsafe practise when it comes to racing. You want the serious fast guys up front so they are not having to carve through slower riders. I've been tossing up between WERA and CCS and this is one of the things that seriously puts me off of CCS
Ah...
Yes, maybe it would be easier if there just wasn't any racing at all. We could just give out trophies by entry, and then just have a big practice day and give out cookies for the fastest lap times....
Quote from: schoops on August 12, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
I have no doubt they do it to promote early entrys but to my mind it's an unsafe practise when it comes to racing. You want the serious fast guys up front so they are not having to carve through slower riders. I've been tossing up between WERA and CCS and this is one of the things that seriously puts me off of CCS
In the event that a grid is set by points, wouldn't there still be a fast guy that doesnt race very round with less points than the slow guy? We can also speculate that the racer with more points made it to more of the races thereby being an avid supporter.
The safest would be the Isle of Man format where there is a ten second gap between riders.
Be is fastest time, the most points, or who sent their check first-let's go race
Maybe we have a "buy in" at the beginning of the year and then we set the grids by the previous finishing results.
It's funny, because every year there is the classic "Why don't we grid by points" thread. You can almost set your watch by it. And it is almost worded the exact same every time no matter who starts it. Forget it, never gonna happen. Go race WERA.
Steve you are right about the prediction each year. maybe we forgot about the conversation last year and just need to rehash it again.
I say we grid by height, short to tall, then I'll have a better starting position. :biggrin:
Quote from: majicMARKer on August 16, 2011, 10:06:01 AM
Steve you are right about the prediction each year. maybe we forgot about the conversation last year and just need to rehash it again.
I wrote comprehensive rules a few years back that would drop right into the rule book. It's on the board someplace.
AHRMA grids by points too.
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on August 16, 2011, 02:18:28 PM
I say we grid by height, short to tall, then I'll have a better starting position. :biggrin:
Oooo! I like! Kind of like stadium seating...
I gotta laugh, it's all I got left. :biggrin:
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on August 16, 2011, 02:18:28 PM
I say we grid by height, short to tall, then I'll have a better starting position. :biggrin:
This is a terrible idea.
Quote from: benprobst on August 17, 2011, 05:46:56 PM
This is a terrible idea.
Oh, definitely the back of the bus with you...
Quote from: benprobst on August 17, 2011, 05:46:56 PM
This is a terrible idea.
Well if you go tall to short, we wont be able to see the flagger. :)
Definitely against that one. :lmao:
Quote from: benprobst on August 17, 2011, 05:46:56 PM
This is a terrible idea.
I agree !!! The only way I wouldn't be last would be if you show up !!
Could do like other Org.s and have a discounted entry cutoff date to promote entries, then grid by the rider's averaged time. "Averaged" meaning; dropping the times of riders that weren't on pace, er; say 2 or so seconds over their on-pace runs and then grid them by their average time.
JMHO
Quote from: Noidly1 on September 14, 2011, 01:10:16 AM
Could do like other Org.s and have a discounted entry cutoff date to promote entries, then grid by the rider's averaged time. "Averaged" meaning; dropping the times of riders that weren't on pace, er; say 2 or so seconds over their on-pace runs and then grid them by their average time.
JMHO
Who does this? The only thing Ive heard of remotely simily is KFG rules out west, but not really very close to what youre describing.
Quote from: benprobst on September 15, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
Who does this?
Well, for the first part- trackday org.s like MCRA... The rest is my idea.
CCS already does the first part....
Pretty soon they will need a masters to figure the grids or have a contingency plan for every situation... Damn, just get on the grid and race.