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Title: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: limelight on August 20, 2010, 03:01:42 PM
Just got off the phone with HPT and they confirmed the rumor that the CCS races have been cancelled.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Lucas W120 on August 20, 2010, 03:32:23 PM
I hadn't heard this rumor.... Why the f__k would they do that??? I was really looking forward to that weedend....
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Tornado Bait on August 20, 2010, 03:39:35 PM
WTF! Stick a fork in it....CCS GP is done.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: racerhall on August 20, 2010, 03:58:47 PM
real nice that ccs informs us of this
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: YellowRacer on August 20, 2010, 04:22:50 PM
What...? I had a couple friends coming out to cheer for me too! I was going to have a umbrella girl! A UMBRELLA GIRL!!!!!! COME ON!!!
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: gearhead on August 20, 2010, 07:16:21 PM
Thats a bummer! 
With this race on a three day weekend it was on my schedule for the first time.
I was really looking forward to going there, plus it was a combo GP/MW event.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: wirehairs2 on August 20, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
Nice way to find out! One would think that CCS would at least post it up on the front page as soon as it was determined. I had faxed my entry last night , I called CCS after reading this and got a recording that said they were on the phone and leave a message and they would call back-------never happened. :finger:  What a great way to piss off the very racers they and the track need to stage such events.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Andi on August 20, 2010, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: wirehairs2 on August 20, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
Nice way to find out! One would think that CCS would at least post it up on the front page as soon as it was determined. I had faxed my entry last night , I called CCS after reading this and got a recording that said they were on the phone and leave a message and they would call back-------never happened. :finger:  What a great way to piss off the very racers they and the track need to stage such events.
I agree 100%. I've always supported CCS since it was the only local racing organization. I won't anymore. I'd rather burn the gas for CMRA, MRA, or CRA events.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: grasslander on August 20, 2010, 11:44:53 PM
I've been told that HPT canceled the event and didn't inform CCS.  My understanding is Kevin found out about this today when called by a CCS member to confirm.   I do agree that this is probably the end for CCS-GP.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: kevinhuff on August 21, 2010, 01:28:13 AM
talk to nancy on thursday and ask her about this rumor and she said they had not heard of this and were planning on being there  sept 4,5. hpt pulled the plug
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 02:19:25 AM
I see everybody posting heard rumors and no hardcore facts.............  Why is there no comment from CCS?  They were quick to respond to the BFR schedule change.

The racers deserve the right to know the truth and all the truth. If CCS canceled they need to explain.....If HPT pulled they need to come clean and take responsibility  so that CCS doesn't take anymore of a bashing.... Like they really need that right now.

Either way an event doesn't just get canceled like this.. there is always talk and negotiation prior to the decision.

the truth ------ HPT event is canceled.
the unknown -------------- WHY???
the truth about the unknown ------ everybody deserves an explanation
the truth ----- this will effect the BFR turn out negatively because this was a make or break it event and CCS has let the racer community down and they are PISSED

the question ----- What now?
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Burt Munro on August 21, 2010, 02:46:28 AM
Take a breath Riderupred. 

The news on this broke with Limelight posting here at 2pm on Friday.  He got word of this from the track, who from accounts I've read here and at the kcsportbikes website, haven't formally advised CCS of this decision.

Kevinhuff posted less than an hour before you that he talked to Nancy Elliott at the CCS office on Thursday about this rumor and they (CCS) knew nothing about any changes...... talk to nancy on thursday and ask her about this rumor and she said they had not heard of this and were planning on being there  sept 4,5. hpt pulled the plug

I have a contract with HPT that says I'm supposed to be the Starter for this event.  The first I heard ANYTHING including rumors about this was Friday after Limelight posted at 2pm.

I wouldn't be so quick to throw CCS to the wolves on this.  Looks to me like they may be as blindsided by this as everyone else.  Afterall.....  this Forum is not run by CCS - it merely serves as a location for fans of CCS to communicate.

I know you said you considered earlier starting your own Track Safety organization.   Hopefully, your knee jerk reaction here is not representative of how that organization would be run. 

Let's take a deep breath and gather all the facts before we go to DEFCON 5!
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Burt Munro on August 21, 2010, 03:21:04 AM
Quote from: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 02:19:25 AM
I see everybody posting heard rumors and no hardcore facts.............  Why is there no comment from CCS?  They were quick to respond to the BFR schedule change.

Two important points:

Races at Blackhawk are run by CCS - CCS is on the hook for any losses.
Races at Topeka are run by HPT (sanctioned by CCS) - the Track is the one on the hook for any losses.

Concerning a quick response to the condensed Blackhawk race schedule: 
Info on this change became public on Aug 5th with a press release that appeared in roadracing world magazine.com and a thread was started here at 10pm on Aug 5th.  The initial official response here from CCS occurred on Aug 9th at 2:30pm.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 04:38:46 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on August 21, 2010, 02:46:28 AM
Take a breath Riderupred.  

The news on this broke with Limelight posting here at 2pm on Friday.  He got word of this from the track, who from accounts I've read here and at the kcsportbikes website, haven't formally advised CCS of this decision.

Kevinhuff posted less than an hour before you that he talked to Nancy Elliott at the CCS office on Thursday about this rumor and they (CCS) knew nothing about any changes...... talk to nancy on thursday and ask her about this rumor and she said they had not heard of this and were planning on being there  sept 4,5. hpt pulled the plug

I have a contract with HPT that says I'm supposed to be the Starter for this event.  The first I heard ANYTHING including rumors about this was Friday after Limelight posted at 2pm.

I wouldn't be so quick to throw CCS to the wolves on this.  Looks to me like they may be as blindsided by this as everyone else.  Afterall.....  this Forum is not run by CCS - it merely serves as a location for fans of CCS to communicate.

I know you said you considered earlier starting your own Track Safety organization.   Hopefully, your knee jerk reaction here is not representative of how that organization would be run.  

Let's take a deep breath and gather all the facts before we go to DEFCON 5!

WOOOO no decon 5 Here Burt...... I actually stated in my post that this is the thing that CCS  Does not need  right now and some facts are needed asap to stop the CCS bashing....   People are saying they are Pissed and rightfully so finding the information they did.

I am simply asking that the racing community  not listen to the rumors and pass judgments before they get the facts.  CCS has a responsibility to  inform the racers of such changes immediately and so far there has been no response from them on this issue.


I think the whole deal is shitty!!!!! and if HPT pulled , and blindsided CCS, they own the racers and CCS an explanation as to why.

This is a horrible situation for CCS!!!  This is beyond fucked up!!!  and I think that people ( racers ) need to get the facts. They have the right to be pissed but contain it untill you really know the whole story and not just being pissed based on a rumor.


In short ..... to the racers, please wait till CCS has a chance to provide you with the information before you freak out and say your done and walking away, your not supporting CCS anymore, Just wait for the details and statement issued by CCS..... If HTP is at fault here then why landbast CCS for it, it wasn't there fault.  Get the facts first.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 04:57:05 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on August 21, 2010, 03:21:04 AM
Two important points:

Races at Blackhawk are run by CCS - CCS is on the hook for any losses.
Races at Topeka are run by HPT (sanctioned by CCS) - the Track is the one on the hook for any losses.

Concerning a quick response to the condensed Blackhawk race schedule: 
Info on this change became public on Aug 5th with a press release that appeared in roadracing world magazine.com and a thread was started here at 10pm on Aug 5th.  The initial official response here from CCS occurred on Aug 9th at 2:30pm.

The change of the schedule is a whole different situation then canceling the largest event of the season, with the highest # of entrants and spectator turn outs. This was a huge event for alot of racers, a make it or break it for the season event.  This was not only a GP and MW combined event but it was also the double points weekend... Which happens to be being held at a track that was polled to be the favorite track over all of CCS riders and that they also wanted the ROC to held at this track. Now all of the sudden this is stripped from them with no word from the organiztion..... This is a devastating loss to everybody, with many un answered questions.

on August 5th CCS posted the BFR changes on there website, which was the same time RoadRacing world announced it. There was no lack of informing the racers of this change as CCS announced it the day they decided.

When you own an organization like this one or any business for that matter, when a crisis occurs, you deal with it immediately.... a business owner doesn't get a day off.... hell the president doesn't get a day off.. HPT date being canceled is a crisis for the racers and the organization and needs immediate attention, regardless of what day of the week it is or what time of the day it is.  Racer's should have heard it first from CCS, Not HPT.... that is really shitty.... Kevin gets to find out that his biggest event is canceled by pissed off racers.  Just horrible that HPT would tell the world they were canceling an event without informing the event holders first of the cancellation.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Andi on August 21, 2010, 05:11:24 AM
It doesn't matter who you blame as long as you blame someone! ;-)
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 05:35:17 AM
Quote from: Andi on August 21, 2010, 05:11:24 AM
It doesn't matter who you blame as long as you blame someone! ;-)

No body needs to be blamed, somebody just needs to be held accountable for their actions.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Andi on August 21, 2010, 05:55:06 AM
Quote from: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 05:35:17 AM
No body needs to be blamed, somebody just needs to be held accountable for their actions.
I agree. For either party to pull the plug this late in the game is pretty crappy. If it was HPT who did it I would really like to hear their reasoning behind it. A low amount pre-registration entries isn't a good enough excuse. Not everyone enters before race day. If it was CCS who did then their communication of it to the riders shows no class at all and will cost them a few more racers. Regardless of who did it this really sucks for the participants. I had been looking forward to this round for quite some time now.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: grasslander on August 21, 2010, 07:32:57 AM
BTW: as of yesterday evening, HPT's website announces that the September 5th CCS races have been canceled.  I'm thinking that HPT has some explaining to do to several folks...
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 21, 2010, 07:42:55 AM
For the record to all members: the CCS Forum has no official affiliation with CCS and as such is not an official outlet for them to communicate with racers and CCS support people.

Occasionally, Kevin and other staff of CCS will kindly answer questions and concerns and post information as it becomes available.

Regarding the cancellation of the HPT event, www.ccsracing.us is your official source for that info. Not here, RRW or the track website.

If the event has been canceled, that is unfortunate. However, it's not like someone drove 700 miles to find the gates closed. I'm sure explanations will be forthcoming as more info becomes available. Please remember the CCS is comprised of just a couple of individuals, and they need to check things out before they respond. In this age of the internet, not everything can happen at a lightning pace, especially with something that affects a large and geographically diverse group of folks.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 09:42:03 AM
HRRS confirms as a huge headliner on their home page that the event has been canceled with no make up date. But the Official CCS racing website is still showing this as an active date..... My concern is for the people that do not check the track site and are only going off of what the CCS schedule states that chose not to partake in forums.

Understandable that Kevin or other staff have not responded yet hence awaiting more information,........ Just a very crappy, and humiliating too CCS and the Racers way for HPT to announce the cancellation :(  It is advertised like it is a huge event on their homepage.

a couple of people prior said "well thats the end of the GP series", that maybe true, but HPT was not just a GP event, it was also a MW event. MW has been slammed hard enough with the recent cut backs at BFR :(

another mentioned the pre reg thought, many MANY many racers do not pre register and the people running the show should know this.... Nobody can tell the future thus canceling on a hunch that there might be a poor turn out due to the lack of pre registrants is..... effin retarded. 

so before we  :finger: and  :jerkoff: or  :whine: we need to wait to get the facts.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 09:53:24 AM
I would also like to point out that HPT has already book and is advertising MLRA  late model series presented by Lucas Oil racing @  HPT on the 4th.

is it possible that there was a scheduling issue where they mistakenly double booked the track?
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: limelight on August 21, 2010, 09:58:17 AM
I believe the MLRA late model series is run a the dirt track and not the road course.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: weggieman on August 21, 2010, 10:10:08 AM
SNAFU.....................
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 21, 2010, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: limelight on August 21, 2010, 09:58:17 AM
I believe the MLRA late model series is run a the dirt track and not the road course.

Thank you for that, I didn't realize.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: gonecrazy on August 21, 2010, 10:38:57 AM
I would say that the sept hpt was a huge event. the asra/mw/gp would have been there big one. all season long the entries and turn out has been horrible at HPT. look at the last round results, there were enough people there to make one good grid so they may have just bagged the idea. Kevin and CCS probably has not made a comment yet becausr they are still trying to figure out what going on and possibly trying to fix it before its a total loss. I wouldnt count the GP region done either after this year, theres alot to be discussed.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: vale46 on August 21, 2010, 10:23:29 PM
Screw HPT. Let's have the last round at Hastings. George loves motorcycles and the racing community. HPT does nothing to accommodate us show up the night before only to have to sleep in the parking lot , exorbent vendor fees. Just my opinion
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: TrophyGal on August 22, 2010, 01:01:00 PM
Quote from: racerhall on August 20, 2010, 03:58:47 PM
real nice that ccs informs us of this

We just found out yesterday for certain.  It was going to be announced at the BH riders' meetings. Unfortunately everyone who could update the website was out of town visiting relatives.  I will be handling that within the hour.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Andi on August 22, 2010, 01:05:37 PM
QuoteIs that the end of the GP region's season?

Don't know that yet.  Call the Fort Worth office.  (I'm just the webmistress and don't live or work in Texas)
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Noidly1 on August 22, 2010, 07:26:57 PM
I would like to make a motion that the last Blackhawk round include the GP region.

I have never been to BHF and want to go.

It would be nice if CCS made the last BHF round a dual region event so GP racers have a chance to fight for the championship and not have to settle for their current positions.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: kevinhuff on August 22, 2010, 08:44:24 PM
i would like to call it the end of the seson for gp
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: gixxer188 on August 22, 2010, 08:45:40 PM
Well, they updated the CCS front page with this.  I guess this is your answer as to why it was canceled.

SEPT 4-5 EVENT AT HEARTLAND PARK CANCELLED

Heartland Park Topeka track personnel have confirmed with CCS officials that their race event scheduled for Sept. 4-5, 2010, has been cancelled for economic reasons.

Racers who pre-entered this Heartland Park event should contact the CCS office ASAP by email (info@ccsracing.us) or phone (817-246-1127) concerning their pre-entry fees.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Andi on August 22, 2010, 09:43:43 PM
Quote from: kevinhuff on August 22, 2010, 08:44:24 PM
i would like to call it the end of the seson for gp
Might as well call it the end of the GP region.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: HAWK on August 23, 2010, 12:04:45 AM
CCS (Kevin Elliot) is trying to run a racing series. The current economic times are making that very difficult. The situations at BHF and HPT are both the result of this. The difference? HPT yanked the plug, Kevin did what he could to keep the schedule albeit condenced. Now Riders want to throw him under the bus?

                                   :preachon:


Times are tough right now and we're going to have to deal with that for a while but complaining that your favorite event got cancled or condensed is not going to help anything. If every rider that made this weekends BHF round had brought one rider that was not going to run (new racer or racer that was going to skip the event) then we might have been able to restore the full weekend in September. Stop bitching and get someone to sign up for 1 race in September. Remember how that first race hooked you, try to get some new blood hooked. Know a racer that can't afford the next round, share a ride, hotel room, whatever it takes to bring them back. The great thing about the racing community for me has always been that someone's always got my back. Let's stop thinking ME ME ME and start thinking US US US. While businesses are collapsing left and right maybe CCS can be one of the ones that makes it.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: roadracer162 on August 23, 2010, 08:33:53 AM
I'm with you there Paul. In speculation, the club racing model will need to be reviewed for a solution. I try to do my part and bring out other riders through mentorship of the new rider and in my brother's case I sought sponsorship from the family for his first race experience. He essentially did his first weekend including the licensing school for free. He borrowed my spare leathers, boots, gloves, and spine protector. He also rode on my other race bike(FZR400).

Another solution that we are using for the CCS Vintage racing is to have a three event championship. Keep in mind this Vintage class was nixed due to lack of participation in the past. Each event is held at a different track throughout the year. The Premier class racers will be racing for the "William's Cup". This cup is a wonderful piece costing some $500+ and put together due to the efforts of a local racer Michael Perry.

Here in Florida we have a two day event where Saturday is essentially a track day for $75. It works well for me because it allows me 7 sessions to get my bike right for that track and learn a thing or two about riding and bike set-up. I get to compare some notes to others that are under my canopy. Sunday is dedicated to a full day of racing. I typically race two races so I get a total of 10 "on-track" sessions for the weekend. For a total of $215 for Saturday($75), Sunday races($55 each race) and the weekend gate pass($30) to do a race weekend it's not half bad. A track day at that same tracks costs $205.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Jeff on August 23, 2010, 10:35:33 AM
Hey Jenny,

I'm gonna step out on a limb here and ask WTF your deal is.  Seriously.  What is your agenda here?  You get all "WooHoo, let's all rally and bring people to CCS" and then it's like your meds wear off and you snap into "Eff CCS! they can't run a business to save their lives!"

Seriously.  What is your purpose? 

If you're so confident that many MANY many people are going to show up at the last minute and race, perhaps you should put YOUR checkbook on the line to back that up!  Besides, (a) it's not like you race; (b) you wouldn't be going anyhow...

So allow me to post up a little community service by asking you to seriously think about what the hell you post.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: sasrocks on August 23, 2010, 12:19:44 PM
Quote from: vale46 on August 21, 2010, 10:23:29 PM
Screw HPT. Let's have the last round at Hastings. George loves motorcycles and the racing community. HPT does nothing to accommodate us show up the night before only to have to sleep in the parking lot , exorbent vendor fees. Just my opinion


+1
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Lucas W120 on August 23, 2010, 02:05:28 PM
Heartland is a great track and its so close to kc, but they have never tried overly hard to accommodate the racers. All us greatplains guys from kc travel 9-10 hours to road a. We can travel to another track too! screw HPT! 

I have to addmit i was one of the guys that was going to wait tell the morning of to regester, but still this was a combined weekend and a double points race for the GP guys. I would understand more if it was just a GP weekend.

I'm for sure not going to give anymore of my track day money to them!
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Team Spalding on August 23, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: Jeff on August 23, 2010, 10:35:33 AM
Hey Jenny,

I'm gonna step out on a limb here and ask WTF your deal is.  Seriously.  What is your agenda here?  You get all "WooHoo, let's all rally and bring people to CCS" and then it's like your meds wear off and you snap into "Eff CCS! they can't run a business to save their lives!"

Seriously.  What is your purpose? 

If you're so confident that many MANY many people are going to show up at the last minute and race, perhaps you should put YOUR checkbook on the line to back that up!  Besides, (a) it's not like you race; (b) you wouldn't be going anyhow...

So allow me to post up a little community service by asking you to seriously think about what the hell you post.

+1
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: Jeff on August 23, 2010, 10:35:33 AM
Hey Jenny,

I'm gonna step out on a limb here and ask WTF your deal is.  Seriously.  What is your agenda here?  You get all "WooHoo, let's all rally and bring people to CCS" and then it's like your meds wear off and you snap into "Eff CCS! they can't run a business to save their lives!"

Seriously.  What is your purpose?  

If you're so confident that many MANY many people are going to show up at the last minute and race, perhaps you should put YOUR checkbook on the line to back that up!  Besides, (a) it's not like you race; (b) you wouldn't be going anyhow...

So allow me to post up a little community service by asking you to seriously think about what the hell you post.

Jeff,

:finger: :finger: :finger: insert choice words here ( _________)  You obviously have not paid attention to the posts I have made........... In reference to Meds WTF are you talking about?!? You having the title Admin, admin of what?????

My agenda --- I do not have an agenda........... I was informed in March about the end of CCS racing at BFR by THEIR managment......according to the lastest opps leak, about a week ago on another site,  the new racing series in 2011 at BFR is going to be called the BFR championship cup..... by.... you guessed it, Motovid... Some higher ups can't wait for CCS to tank so they can profit...... If you only knew half of the shit/drama behind the scenes there, you wouldn't be asking so many stupid effing questions........

BFR is viral for CCS because of the tracks own agenda and lack of trained safety crew..(Yes i have seen the pics of the corner worker in 7 sleeping, reading the news paper, and using his laptop, sleeping while a man crashed and spent 3 weeks in ICU after a flight to RMH) PERIOD! I think while it would piss off alot of people, it would be in the best interest of CCS to not run there anymore.  

The BFR schedule change, at least CCS explained the reasons why immediately and the racers heard it first hand from the organization...... This HPT bullshit screwed over a lot of people, cost CCS a lot of money, and has possibly ended a regions season. This was causes by the track, announce by the track, and nothing was ever said by CCS about this until now...  The racers should not have heard this cancellation from HPT first, they should have heard it from CCS first and the amount of time it took CCS to address the issue is very bad for business..... I used to co own a business, I have been in management, I am currently working in my NEXT business degree............Business owners do not get a day off!!! When shit hits the fan you deal with it as it is happening not damn near a week later and it doesn't matter if it is your mother's funeral, x-mas or your wedding... Crisis's are not planned, they do not wait till you have a free moment and when you are dealing with the public like CCS does they can not just let it go.... If they didn't know, they needed to make a statement to the racers that at that time they are unsure of the facts of the situation, it was news to them, they are working diligently to find out the facts and will update as soon as they knew more about the situation..HPT if they didn't inform CCS prior to announcing the cancellation publicly they majorly effed up! And they should be paying the pre entry refunds out of pocket and not CCS. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY HERE! Somebody effed up business wise...... and there should be an explanation, take some responsibility for your actions from Christ's sake!!! The racers deserve at least that much!

I stated that no body is to be blamed at one point because nobody new shit except for rumors. Don't bash CCS if they got blind sided on this one.. People/ racers were pissed at CCS for this cancellation but didn't know exactly who or why they canceled the event... before you start pointing fingers make sure you know where and who to point it at. WAIT FOR FACTS OR A STATEMENT FROM CCS!

But, BUT at the same time CCS dropped the ball in announcing this to the racers. It was posted as flash on HPT's homepage in big bold font that the event was canceled......Why was it not posted on the CCS website at the same time as well? EVENTS DO NOT GET CANCELED LIKE THIS!!! There had to be talks about this event between CCS and HPT prior to this notice....

the above is called an unbiased opinion, looking at the situation from different perspectives, every story has two sides--- it pays to check out both and understand it from both.

if your house was burning down how would you like it if the fire department decided to stop off to get coffee on the way to put your house out and then shoved the investigation off until they felt like it.... how would you feel....... would you be a little pissed? Would you be asking WTF is going on and why? I know I would be.  

No I don't race..... But I do have the bike - 2 of them actually, and I did have the goal to race this year.. If I had the money and a set of leathers, I would race. I would be more then happy to pony up my check book Just not at BFR.

But I have been a part of this CCS world for 8 years now, I have 10 years of business experience under my belt and I am not fucking blind, def or dumb!

I have always been a big supporter of CCS and I always will even if they fail.. It is really sad that the organization has hit this point. I never thought I would see this happen.....

BUT IT MAKES ME EFFING SICK to go to a track and listen to the management and staff laugh at CCS and say I can't wait for them emmer effers to tank, they are has beens and washed up, can't we just boot them early, do we really need to let them finish the season?  HENCE MY HUSBAND AND I WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MOTOVID ANYMORE!!!! Yeah trackdays are poison to racing.... but some are worse then other's....owning motovid and then your wife being the track manager is a great way to get what you want..AND THESE PEOPLE MANAGED HPT PRIOR TO COMING TO BFR.. so I am sure there is some pull there too.. and O for those of you who have taken the MOTOVID racer clinics on fridays... yes that qualifies you to get your new BFR licence next year...




so Jeff WTF is YOUR agenda here?  Why are you targeting me? what is your deal? Who are you anyway? I do not recall knowing you.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 04:19:59 PM


BFR is viral for CCS because of the tracks own agenda and lack of trained safety crew..(Yes i have seen the pics of the corner worker in 7 sleeping, reading the news paper, and using his laptop, sleeping while a man crashed and spent 3 weeks in ICU after a flight to RMH) PERIOD! I think while it would piss off alot of people, it would be in the best interest of CCS to not run there anymore. 

... I used to co own a business, I have been in management, I am currently working in my NEXT business degree...........

the corner worker in 7 failed to recognized the fact that there was debris/oil on the track which caused this wreck because he was reading a novel

why don't I own the business anymore

it was an auto repair shop and the other owner was stealing from the business, so I signed off and walked so he could steal from himself.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: vale46 on August 23, 2010, 05:07:08 PM
From a business perspective CCS to me would be dropping the ball if they don't find an alternative place to finish out the season. Just because HPT pulled the plug doesn't mean the season should be over. CCS should have been looking for an alternative sight the minute they found this out. If they don't then they are saying they don't give a crap for the GP region. Who knows maybe HPT is pissed off the the Race of Champions is at Homestead but either way not to finish out the season is a joke.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Team Spalding on August 23, 2010, 05:12:43 PM
Hey riderupreped you must be Jenny since you replied to Jeff.

I did not mean to +1 ya on the whole quote. I just meant to quote the part about CCS having to make decisions based on pre entries. There was something like 9 pre entries at Gateway at the last round and more signed up that day but there was many races with only one or two riders. That just shows it is a gage of what to expect.

Thats all. Did not mean to get your name in there.

I do not know you(I don't think) and do not want you to take it the wrong way.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Sobottka on August 23, 2010, 05:21:38 PM
maybe after ruderupred gets her second buisness degree she can start her own race series! ....complete with a free safty crew!   :thumb:

.......jus sayin
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 05:30:08 PM
Quote from: Sobottka on August 23, 2010, 05:21:38 PM
maybe after ruderupred gets her second buisness degree she can start her own race series! ....complete with a free safty crew!   :thumb:

.......jus sayin

will be 2nd and 3rd degree :D doing them at the same time... hence no money :( takes money to make money.

Not a bad idea ;)    Or better yet help Kevin by sponsoring CCS  financially, provide CCS with their own safety crew, and do some marketing for him free of charge........... I want Kevin's dream to stay alive and well..... not replace it.

yes Joel we have met a couple times, the challenges, and a few races.No offense taken, no hard feelings :)
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Team Spalding on August 23, 2010, 06:14:24 PM
Quote
yes Joel we have met a couple times, the challenges, and a few races.No offense taken, no hard feelings :)

Do you have a last name? I know a few(in my best Forest Gump voice) "Jennys"

Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Burt Munro on August 23, 2010, 07:09:33 PM
I can think of only one appropriate thing to say......


Jim, you have my deepest sympathy.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: Team Spalding on August 23, 2010, 06:14:24 PM
Do you have a last name? I know a few(in my best Forest Gump voice) "Jennys"



Rodefer..... Jenna Rodefer


and Burt.............  Seriously!?!  Get a life! How old are you?  The personal attacks are really getting old..... GROW UP!! You are double my age, I should not be having to say this to you.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Mrs Jeff on August 23, 2010, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
You having the title Admin, admin of what?????

Who are you anyway? I do not recall knowing you.

ROFLMAO! Awesome!

Well, I do so wish I had the privilege of not knowing him on some days but just to throw a little food for thought your way...

I figure it might be a good idea for you to actually know whose sandbox you're playing in before you  start slinging sand at the OWNER of the sandbox (er, FORUM).

That being said... take aim & fire away at him all you want. I'm so looking forward the spectacle. I get to watch so little that amuses me lately. ; )

Mrs Jeff (The Sandbox Owner's Wife)
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 09:04:47 PM
Well ok then, my foot tastes pretty good right now, did not know that, good information to know though :)  I am glad to be playing in his sandbox. I just don't like sand being thrown at me with the expectation that I will smile and say do it again please.

My husband did inform me that I do know Jeff, even met him once or twice...... but it has been a while.

on another note, off sandbox topic :

I am not making any personal attacks on anybody here. I treat others the way I expect to be treated in return.  The name calling, slanders and down right immaturity going on here is completely uncalled for.... I am one of the younger members here and should not be giving manner lessons.  I have been very meticulous to not mention any specific names  in any of my posts. While you may not like me or what I have to say I have not said anything I can't back up. And the proof is in black and white and goes on for years......posts, phone records, pictures, video, self admissions you name it.

In short-- if you don't like me or what I have to say, simply do not respond. It is common sense here people.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: wirehairs2 on August 23, 2010, 09:21:35 PM
 :pop:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: The Hammer of Truth on August 23, 2010, 09:41:53 PM
OK Jena you are allowed to have your opinion but your opinion is boarder line slander. You speak of truth and facts please tell me about your facts of Motovid> OK So you say that they had influenced the pull out of CCS in KS Where are your facts here can you show me some documents backing this?
you claim to have heard from someone at (motovid) that they said that CCS was going to tank ? and claim that Because some ones wife works at Blackhawk they get what they want .Well what I do know from this weekend MOTOVID worked there butts off to save
Blackhawk from a big lose  from CCS pulling out on sat. Which to me is not only good business but not competition do to the fact that I am sure there are contract that where broken. I am not sure but Blackhawk would have rather worked it out with CCS vers sewing them for a broken contract.Do to the state that CCS seams to be in that would be bad business.
Once again you speak of knowing thing before you speak to Jeff but I am sure you do not know the plans of Blackhawk or motovid or CCS I hedge to bet that MOTOVID or Blackhawk would rather not take that huge responsibility of taken on that project I am sure it is not cheap to take on the insurance or the sanction body or to put the correct people in place. I would bet that  they would rather see CCS do well than take it on them self's .Jena please tell me why CCS never has came to a Motovid,STT or even a Nesba track day to market the NEWBIES as you like to call them if I was CCS that would be the first place I would go if I was having hard time filling my grids .I see you talking about doing things for free someone told me that your hubby was Paid from MOTOVID to do Video and that money help pay some bills that need to be paid and other Cr's gave him tires so he could race and ride during these days I  understand you may have allot to say but I would like to see you speak when your not so angry for anything that dose not effect you. I say that only cuz I have read that you or Jim where not going race or ride the track this year do to Vacation time being spent with family which is great and I understand that.
but you or hubby have not spent any $ at the track or the red flag fund which went very well considering that there where less participants this year .If you where so worried about CCS why wouldn't guys race? I am sure its not cause you do not care but because you cant afford it right ?! Well like many that is the case,I bet when you go shopping for food you look for the deals right ! more bag for your buck right.I am sure that is what going on In the race vs track days. I do know that at the track days they do try to get many of us to go racing but price it out Jena I bet you have know Idea what the cost difference is do to the fact your hubby got paid to ride the track days  and didn't have to pay.I read a post from you last year maybe sooner that you where pissed that the instructors had to try to get people to try and sign up for the All levels track days which from when I went through it. The instructors tried to better us so we could maybe one day go racing and there where a few racer there teaching I am sure they tried very hard to influence the go fast students to sign up.I know for a fact that 7 student from my day took LCR and got there license to go race that weekend which what I am sure they are trying to do with OUT CCS help! If we are looking for way to help maybe we get rid of a 35 dollar gate fee to watch or even race I think 5 $ per day would be better if we can get more people to watch maybe some of those friend might race! seeing how cool it is !
You speak of unbiased opinion to learn both side have you talk to Mike Case or even Paul M the owners of the two for mention companies what about Kevin E have you talk with him to learn about whats going on I bet not maybe you should try retracting most of your post till you get those three person in a room and talking and finding out whats really going on.
I am sure you probably do not care that much do you ! why should you care you have managed to piss off allot of people with non stop post of thing you don't have a total grasp of, once again you are entiled to but I wish you would keep to things YOU know not what you hear !! Jena you should really watch what you say so that when you do have something to say that is correct we may listen and give it more than sarcasm plus I am sure Jim may be having a hard time with some of the things you have been saying on his behalf I really have not seen many if any thing he had to say about all this. I am not trying to attack you just would like you to be aware of the things you may be doing to your self and or Jim cuz the last time I new he was liked by many of MOTOVID people and CCS crew I wouldn't want  to see that change over your POST that are sometime very angry and uncalled for !!!! just try and watch what you say till you know the hole truth.Thanks!! THE Hammer!!
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: The Hammer of Truth on August 23, 2010, 09:58:08 PM
Jena you have mentioned Names I E Motovid and there was plenty of slander in what you had to say please read what you write before post again ! Thank you !
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 23, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
For the record, slander is oral, libel is written. ;)
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: HAWK on August 23, 2010, 10:34:18 PM
You learn something every day.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 23, 2010, 10:36:38 PM
Hawk, You owe your teacher an apple for today's lesson.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: The Hammer of Truth on August 23, 2010, 10:44:07 PM
ya but she said when she was writting it !
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: HAWK on August 23, 2010, 10:45:55 PM
I'm not sure what it will look like when UPS gets done with it.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 23, 2010, 10:52:51 PM
Quote from: HAWK on August 23, 2010, 10:45:55 PM
I'm not sure what it will look like when UPS gets done with it.

Bubble wrap, it's your friend. I like Braeburns and Granny Smiths.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: skiandclimb on August 24, 2010, 12:48:28 AM
Quote from: The Hammer of Truth on August 23, 2010, 09:41:53 PM
OK Jena you are allowed to have your opinion but your opinion is boarder line slander. You speak of truth and facts please tell me about your facts of Motovid> OK So you say that they had influenced the pull out of CCS in KS Where are your facts here can you show me some documents backing this?
you claim to have heard from someone at (motovid) that they said that CCS was going to tank ? and claim that Because some ones wife works at Blackhawk they get what they want .Well what I do know from this weekend MOTOVID worked there butts off to save
Blackhawk from a big lose  from CCS pulling out on sat. Which to me is not only good business but not competition do to the fact that I am sure there are contract that where broken. I am not sure but Blackhawk would have rather worked it out with CCS vers sewing them for a broken contract.Do to the state that CCS seams to be in that would be bad business.
Once again you speak of knowing thing before you speak to Jeff but I am sure you do not know the plans of Blackhawk or motovid or CCS I hedge to bet that MOTOVID or Blackhawk would rather not take that huge responsibility of taken on that project I am sure it is not cheap to take on the insurance or the sanction body or to put the correct people in place. I would bet that  they would rather see CCS do well than take it on them self's .Jena please tell me why CCS never has came to a Motovid,STT or even a Nesba track day to market the NEWBIES as you like to call them if I was CCS that would be the first place I would go if I was having hard time filling my grids .I see you talking about doing things for free someone told me that your hubby was Paid from MOTOVID to do Video and that money help pay some bills that need to be paid and other Cr's gave him tires so he could race and ride during these days I  understand you may have allot to say but I would like to see you speak when your not so angry for anything that dose not effect you. I say that only cuz I have read that you or Jim where not going race or ride the track this year do to Vacation time being spent with family which is great and I understand that.
but you or hubby have not spent any $ at the track or the red flag fund which went very well considering that there where less participants this year .If you where so worried about CCS why wouldn't guys race? I am sure its not cause you do not care but because you cant afford it right ?! Well like many that is the case,I bet when you go shopping for food you look for the deals right ! more bag for your buck right.I am sure that is what going on In the race vs track days. I do know that at the track days they do try to get many of us to go racing but price it out Jena I bet you have know Idea what the cost difference is do to the fact your hubby got paid to ride the track days  and didn't have to pay.I read a post from you last year maybe sooner that you where pissed that the instructors had to try to get people to try and sign up for the All levels track days which from when I went through it. The instructors tried to better us so we could maybe one day go racing and there where a few racer there teaching I am sure they tried very hard to influence the go fast students to sign up.I know for a fact that 7 student from my day took LCR and got there license to go race that weekend which what I am sure they are trying to do with OUT CCS help! If we are looking for way to help maybe we get rid of a 35 dollar gate fee to watch or even race I think 5 $ per day would be better if we can get more people to watch maybe some of those friend might race! seeing how cool it is !
You speak of unbiased opinion to learn both side have you talk to Mike Case or even Paul M the owners of the two for mention companies what about Kevin E have you talk with him to learn about whats going on I bet not maybe you should try retracting most of your post till you get those three person in a room and talking and finding out whats really going on.
I am sure you probably do not care that much do you ! why should you care you have managed to piss off allot of people with non stop post of thing you don't have a total grasp of, once again you are entiled to but I wish you would keep to things YOU know not what you hear !! Jena you should really watch what you say so that when you do have something to say that is correct we may listen and give it more than sarcasm plus I am sure Jim may be having a hard time with some of the things you have been saying on his behalf I really have not seen many if any thing he had to say about all this. I am not trying to attack you just would like you to be aware of the things you may be doing to your self and or Jim cuz the last time I new he was liked by many of MOTOVID people and CCS crew I wouldn't want  to see that change over your POST that are sometime very angry and uncalled for !!!! just try and watch what you say till you know the hole truth.Thanks!! THE Hammer!!

Dude, my head hurts from trying to read that post!
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Firecat on August 24, 2010, 02:05:59 AM
Quote from: skiandclimb on August 24, 2010, 12:48:28 AM
Dude, my head hurts from trying to read that post!

+1 
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: KTG on August 24, 2010, 03:50:20 AM
Add another +

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Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Jeff on August 24, 2010, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
Snip 1056 words.

Jen (Jena, Jenny? Sorry, I don't know your name and don't want to offend you by getting it wrong)

First off, damn...  I do need to give you the long-post award.  I hope one of your degrees is of a literary nature.

Second, as you now know (not that it matters), I'm the guy who gets to read everything you delete.

Third, my agenda here is clear and simple.  I raced for 7 years.  I no longer race.  I own this site and continue to provide it as a place for CCS Racers and those interested in CCS Racing to share their common interests and exchange information. 

You'll notice that I don't post all that much anymore.  Why?  Because I have no real vested interest in CCS.  I wish them and everyone all the best at everything they do. 

Why I stepped in is this.  You seem to have a huge bone to pick with Motovid, BFR and the Midwest safety Crew.  Additionally, you really come across as a bit of a Malcom X here trying to "lead the people", "fight the fight: and "right the wrongs"; when quite honestly I don't see CCS roadracers as needing their own personal Jesus.

Seriously.  Go back and look through all of your posts.  Here's a link for your convenience:
http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4089;sa=showPosts

1.  You're pretty damned angry.
2.  You're saying the same things over and over.
3.  You're grandstanding like Jack Nicholson in a Few Good Men "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!" (aka " And the proof is in black and white and goes on for years......posts, phone records, pictures, video, self admissions you name it")

I'm told this isn't the first place this has gone on, but honestly I don't care where you go or what you say.  And to be clear, you're free to say whatever you want here.  Just don't expect people to be all Sunday-morning-after-church type nice when they tire of you.

Have a great day.

Your humble host.

-Jeff

P.S. There's no need to reply to anything I've written here on my account.  Again, I don't care.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Burt Munro on August 24, 2010, 01:31:05 PM
Quote from: riderupred on August 23, 2010, 07:36:02 PM

and Burt.............  Seriously!?!  Get a life! How old are you?  The personal attacks are really getting old..... GROW UP!! You are double my age, I should not be having to say this to you.
You do realize don't you, that you are talking to the resident shit disturber?
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: riderupred on August 24, 2010, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Burt Munro on August 24, 2010, 01:31:05 PM
You do realize don't you, that you are talking to the resident shit disturber?

:) LOL so I have heard
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: backMARKr on August 24, 2010, 04:16:14 PM
Quote from: Burt Munro on August 24, 2010, 01:31:05 PM
You do realize don't you, that you are talking to the resident shit disturber?
:biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Knightslugger on August 24, 2010, 04:18:33 PM
all interesting stuff going on here, and being a new racer this year myself, i'm a bit confused. like a child being told adult things... i have questions, but i'm not sure who to ask...
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Lucas W120 on August 24, 2010, 04:37:04 PM
About all you can do when your new is sit back and soak it all in. Your not alone though lol
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Burt Munro on August 24, 2010, 05:13:12 PM
I'll see if I can summarize it for you.

1. The races at HPT that were scheduled for Sep 4/5 were cancelled by the track for "economic reasons."
2. HPT chose to publicize this fact prior to notifying CCS that they were cancelled.
3. People got PO'd because of the way the cancellation was handled.
4. Mnay people in the Kansas City area are either:
  a.) Threatening to never race CCS again or
  b.) Threatening to never set foot on HPT property again or
  c.) Both a. and b.
5. The thread was led astray by a person who it is believed has never set foot on HPT property.
6. The thread was led astray by a person who has never raced.
7. The person leading it astray is:
  a.) Mad at CCS
  b.) Supportive of CCS
  c.) Mad at BFR
  d.) Mad at Midwest Safety Crew (cornerworkers at BFR)
  e.) Mad at Motovid who runs Trackdays at BFR.
   f.) Wanting to start her own races series where everyone would volunteer and do a better job than those        currently getting paid to run races.
   g.) Not wanting to start her own race series where everyone would volunteer and do a better job than those currently getting paid to run races.
   h.) Feeling it is her duty no, obligation no, right to educate everyone on all of the above.
    i.) Managed to call out all of the above as well as the owner and Administrator of the CCS Forum.
8. Provided hours of reading entertainment for those reading it and promises to continue to be entertaining.

Anyone else, feel free to add any pertinent items that I may have missed.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 24, 2010, 05:15:25 PM
Quote from: Knightslugger on August 24, 2010, 04:18:33 PM
all interesting stuff going on here, and being a new racer this year myself, i'm a bit confused. like a child being told adult things... i have questions, but i'm not sure who to ask...

Everyone feels that way when they start. Just ask your questions and we'll get them answered for you.

This is an unusual year. Lots of moving parts for everyone one to figure out. <wink>
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Jason748 on August 24, 2010, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: spyderchick on August 23, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
For the record, slander is oral, libel is written. ;)

Does this apply to Sex too? 
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: wirehairs2 on August 24, 2010, 05:36:05 PM
Well at least it has brought some life to the board, almost as entertaining as some of the threads on the WERA board.     :pop: :lmao: :spank: :whine: :wah: :wtf:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 24, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Quote from: Jason748 on August 24, 2010, 05:27:02 PM
Does this apply to Sex too?  

Everything applies to sex.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: backMARKr on August 24, 2010, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: Burt Munro on August 24, 2010, 05:13:12 PM
I'll see if I can summarize it for you.

1. The races at HPT that were scheduled for Sep 4/5 were cancelled by the track for "economic reasons."
2. HPT chose to publicize this fact prior to notifying CCS that they were cancelled.
3. People got PO'd because of the way the cancellation was handled.
4. Mnay people in the Kansas City area are either:
  a.) Threatening to never race CCS again or
  b.) Threatening to never set foot on HPT property again or
  c.) Both a. and b.
5. The thread was led astray by a person who it is believed has never set foot on HPT property.
6. The thread was led astray by a person who has never raced.
7. The person leading it astray is:
  a.) Mad at CCS
  b.) Supportive of CCS
  c.) Mad at BFR
  d.) Mad at Midwest Safety Crew (cornerworkers at BFR)
  e.) Mad at Motovid who runs Trackdays at BFR.
   f.) Wanting to start her own races series where everyone would volunteer and do a better job than those        currently getting paid to run races.
   g.) Not wanting to start her own race series where everyone would volunteer and do a better job than those currently getting paid to run races.
   h.) Feeling it is her duty no, obligation no, right to educate everyone on all of the above.
    i.) Managed to call out all of the above as well as the owner and Administrator of the CCS Forum.
8. Provided hours of reading entertainment for those reading it and promises to continue to be entertaining.

Anyone else, feel free to add any pertinent items that I may have missed.

You have reset the bar on shit disturbingness... :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Jason748 on August 24, 2010, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: backMARKr on August 24, 2010, 07:20:06 PM
You have reset the bar on shit disturbingness... :biggrin:

Damn and just as I though I was closing in, I bow to the master shit disturber...
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: The Hammer of Truth on August 24, 2010, 08:34:40 PM
spyder chick I would normally agree with you  as far everything applies to sex.
I would draw the line at gear oil and sand
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: dylanfan53 on August 24, 2010, 08:59:57 PM
Quote from: Burt Munro on August 24, 2010, 05:13:12 PM
I'll see if I can summarize it for you.
>snip>

On behalf of the outwardly silent masses, screaming inside their heads for the assault on reason and logic to end, thank you.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 24, 2010, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: The Hammer of Truth on August 24, 2010, 08:34:40 PM
spyder chick I would normally agree with you  as far everything applies to sex.
I would draw the line at gear oil and sand

:lmao:

Sand...yeah, I can see your point, but gear oil could be fun in a smelly, sticky kind of way.  :wtf:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Jason748 on August 24, 2010, 09:23:17 PM
Yea.. but when I think sand - I think exotic location, beach, moonlight, waves crashing at my feet, pie...
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wait a minute - Pie...  :wtf: shit,  I've been spending too much time reading old posts on the WERA BBS...
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 24, 2010, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: Jason748 on August 24, 2010, 09:23:17 PM
Yea.. but when I think sand - I think exotic location, beach, moonlight, waves crashing at my feet, pie...
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wait a minute - Pie...  :wtf: shit,  I've been spending too much time reading old posts on the WERA BBS...

:lmao:  Next you're going to ask me hamburger or cheeseburger... :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: danch on August 24, 2010, 10:31:59 PM
Can I bring a sandwich to the september BHF round?
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: spyderchick on August 24, 2010, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: danch on August 24, 2010, 10:31:59 PM
Can I bring a sandwich to the september BHF round?

LOL, it's sammich, fix yer spellcheck.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Knightslugger on August 24, 2010, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: spyderchick on August 24, 2010, 05:15:25 PM
Everyone feels that way when they start. Just ask your questions and we'll get them answered for you.

This is an unusual year. Lots of moving parts for everyone one to figure out. <wink>

i just don't know enough about what's happened, what's happenING, and how it effects the future. i don't know enough about anything to have an opinion or take a stand. what i do know is that i REALLY enjoy racing and that is what brings me back to Blackhawk or Road Am. and CCS.

i like racing. we all do. we wouldn't be here bitching about this if we didn't. that's all i really know about it.

I will say that i do know Jenny, and i do understand her frustrations with MSC. I cornered for a year on and off and i can tell you that depending upon who you work with, there's a BIIIIIG gap in training and dedication between the senior members. The issues with Motovid, CCS, and HPT are unknown to me so i cannot comment.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Jason748 on August 24, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
Better yet, BACON Cheeseburger!

Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: tstruyk on August 25, 2010, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: Jason748 on August 24, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
Better yet, BACON Cheeseburger!




BOOOO-YAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: skiandclimb on August 25, 2010, 07:45:25 PM
Quote from: Jason748 on August 24, 2010, 08:17:20 PM
Damn and just as I though I was closing in, I bow to the master shit disturber...

It's kind of like then Booger from Revenge of the Nerds met that Asian guy at the Hotel Coral Essex....I mean Hot Oral Sex!  LMAO.  Burt, watch out- you might end up with a kool-aid drinking group of followers if you keep setting the bar higher!

Best regards,
The subordinate shit-disturber
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: SHARKBOY66 on August 25, 2010, 08:31:24 PM
I just found out about this 5 minutes ago...
I fought my managers for the last month and a half to get the entire weekend off of work... I cannot transfer approved days off, and I am out of vacation and personal time... so BHF is out. That, and I am already going to STAR the 23rd.

If I didnt talk to Kuhn I probably would have shown up at the track Saturday morning...
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: skiandclimb on August 25, 2010, 10:44:31 PM
Jeff, don't trust ANYTHING that comes from my mouth.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: backMARKr on August 25, 2010, 11:55:13 PM
Quote from: skiandclimb on August 25, 2010, 07:45:25 PM

Best regards,
The subordinate shit-disturber   ???

nah Chris...you are just a glorified comer...all you do is use every discussion as an opportunity to try and get more classes created for your Duc. :kicknuts:

Rick consistently takes people's weapon away from them and shoots them in the foot with it, creating something beautiful for everyone to enjoy. :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: skiandclimb on August 26, 2010, 12:51:49 AM
Dammit! I need a new M.O. as the Duc is no longer mine.  Waitaminnit...I forgot- I'm buying an SV! So, instead of just me whining about Ducati, I'll be with a whole group, right?  LMAO

Cheers,

The Comer.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: backMARKr on August 26, 2010, 08:27:32 AM
Quote from: skiandclimb on August 26, 2010, 12:51:49 AM
Dammit! I need a new M.O. as the Duc is no longer mine.  Waitaminnit...I forgot- I'm buying an SV! So, instead of just me whining about Ducati, I'll be with a whole group, right?  LMAO

Cheers,

The Comer.

exactly...now you can bitch with the rest of the SV people as to what does or does not constitute a LW bike....
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: skiandclimb on August 26, 2010, 08:22:57 PM
awesome. Do I get a t-shirt?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Burt Munro on August 26, 2010, 09:05:13 PM
Only if you trade in all your Ducati shirts!
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: skiandclimb on August 26, 2010, 09:59:14 PM
Can't do it, Burt.  Wearing a Duc shirt under your leathers is the equivilent of putting an "R Type" sticker on the back of a Dodge Neon- it adds like 50 horse to the package.
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: Jason748 on August 26, 2010, 10:03:49 PM
And makes up for the lobotomy required to race a SV...     :biggrin:  right Mark :lmao:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: backMARKr on August 27, 2010, 08:28:31 AM
Quote from: Jason748 on August 26, 2010, 10:03:49 PM
And makes up for the lobotomy required to race a SV...     :biggrin:  right Mark :lmao:

you are no longer one of my favorite people on the planet.....  :err:



(f@#$in' Ducati owners....bunch a snobs) :biggrin:
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: gntbldr on August 27, 2010, 09:11:54 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on August 23, 2010, 07:09:33 PM
I can think of only one appropriate thing to say......


Jim, you have my deepest sympathy.

That is some funnny arse shite! I don't care what what bike you ride, that there is fun-eh. :)

Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: duckracer996 on August 27, 2010, 10:53:11 AM
Backmarker, I am not a snob!!!!...Im just better because I own a Ducati!!!!....hehehehehehe...Ski/Chris has just joined the coolaid club of clone racers on an SV. Dare to be different, buy a Mondial and race that!!!!...hehehehe
Title: Re: CCS Races Cancelled at Heartland Park Topeka September 4 and 5.
Post by: skiandclimb on August 27, 2010, 09:10:51 PM
Randy, I've been thinking ALOT over the past 24 hours. The writing is on the wall for GIR it seems.  Nascar Series- pulled. NHRA Series- Pulled.  I guarantee there will be no 2011 season there. With that said, and if it happens- one of the greatest joys I get out of motorcycling will be taken away- that is, being a Control Rider and helping out the noobs. I think I am going to wait until spring to make a decision on buying a bike...or racing in general. Just too much of a risk right now to throw $$$ at an SV, or anything else for that matter. The GP region will be gone next year- that's an absolute as far as I am concerned. So, we will be forced to haul bikes 5 to 7 hours in order to race or even do a track day.  If GIR closes, I have pretty much decided I will be done.

This sucks ass. I don't want to be done. I would get that coveted white plate next year, you know?  I was really looking forward to being pushed by the experts next year....see what I was really capable of.

Unfortunately, the writing appears to be on the wall for GP and GIR. Screw it, I'll just get back into building trail rigs and start my Jeep project. LOL