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Title: Racing in jeopody
Post by: xb12racerX on November 26, 2009, 10:47:32 AM
For me anyway. Our Son has gone to a Lutheran school from the very beginning.  Next year he's going into High School.
I just about passed out when I found out it's $7500 a year. Let's see....9th-12th will cost me $30,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But that includes the books. :kicknuts:

I guess if there is a choice to be made, my Son is much more important than racing. I just hope I can sneak a couple races in. :wah:
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: 2old2fat2slow on November 26, 2009, 11:49:04 AM
Send him to public school. You are already paying for that. You can always take theology classes after high school if he is considering a career in the field. Go racing man!!!!!
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: SV88 on November 26, 2009, 12:08:52 PM
I'm in a similar place although my daughter is @ Carthage College - can you fathom $28k/yr.  However, after scholarships we are splitting around $16k which is comparable to a state school.  Things are tougher now that my wife and i are both unemployed.  In 6 yrs, I'll have 2 kids in University so that will be an even greater challenge. 
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on November 26, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
Steve, my niece just started there also.

Ayone else remember when it was "only" $4k/yr for most colleges and we thought hat was pricey?
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: gearhead on November 26, 2009, 04:27:26 PM
Rocco, send him to public high school here.
I'd be one of his teachers, engineering classes, CAD drafting, etc. and
I'll bring him to the races on the weekends but he'll be wrenching for me!!

:thumb:
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: dylanfan53 on November 26, 2009, 06:00:09 PM
I feel your pain.  Had to cut back quite a bit last year.  No choice really.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: Super Dave on November 27, 2009, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: gearhead on November 26, 2009, 04:27:26 PM
Rocco, send him to public high school here.
Wisconsin has open enrollment too, Rocco.  There are some online, virtual school opportunities.  Leaves one the opportunity to keep some accountability there for certain things at the cost of what you're paying for in the public domain.  Just some more thoughts... 

Our oldest, not in high school yet, has went to two virtual schools, and my wife is an English teacher for the one virtual school out of the Waukesha School District.  February is the big push to make your decision on the possibilities.  Most have some information seminars in various locations.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: antirich on November 27, 2009, 04:55:44 PM
All of the private high schools in this area range from $23 to $40K a year. I don't know how people do it.

Catholic schools are a bit cheaper ($10K or so?), but they really don't do much better than the public schools in this area. I think most the local parents send their kids there because they live in bad neighborhoods, or they think it'll keep their little princess virginal until college (ha!)

Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: xb12racerX on November 27, 2009, 10:58:08 PM
I Live in a great neighborhood. I think you line of thinking is a little fucked up. We send our Son there because he has 17 kids in his class. Show me a public school that's not out in the middle of nowhere that has small class sizes. All the public schools around here are so overcrowded, it's not funny. I'm Catholic. My Wife is Lutheran. That part of his schooling doesn't matter as much to me as long as he gets a great education. He's doing algebra 2 and geometry in 8th grade. Not to many public schools doing that at his grade level. And that is not an advanced or honors class.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: Super Dave on November 28, 2009, 07:17:53 AM
Quote from: xb12racerX on November 27, 2009, 10:58:08 PMThat part of his schooling doesn't matter as much to me as long as he gets a great education. He's doing algebra 2 and geometry in 8th grade. Not to many public schools doing that at his grade level. And that is not an advanced or honors class.
That was my personal experience with public schools vs parochial schools.  I had to kick my ass in gear to do the work and I was expected to do well by teachers in the parochial schools.  In the public schools, it was just easier to cruise.  I know that some have told me that the expectations of excellence and the subject matter aren't as hard in all parochial schools like it was, but it sounds like you've got a good one there, Rocco. 
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: antirich on November 30, 2009, 01:11:58 AM
Whoa, let me rephrase that. Just re-read what I wrote, and that didn't sound right.

I meant that reference to the schools in my area, not everyone in general. I can't speak for places I haven't lived in. I just edited my past comment to reflect this.

Lots of parents in my area (including my in-laws) sent their kids to Catholic school as a way to protect their kids from the 'evils' of public school. I think this was out of fear more than the desire for a better education.  My wife did her entire pre-college education in the Catholic school system, and her experiences where no less worse than my public school upbringing. Drugs, violence, teen sex,  affairs with teachers, etc. were just as common. Only difference was the uniform.

By the way, my step son just finished High school with Algebra 1, 2, 3, Geometry, Calculus, and Trigonometry ; none of those where Advanced Placement or college prep classes. This was at our local crappy public school, nothing to be very proud of.  We have lots of wealthier neighboring towns with public schools that resemble private institutions (and property taxes that match!). Can't imagine what their students are learning.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: SV88 on November 30, 2009, 06:12:43 AM
It's somewhat of a choice.  Since moving to the US we've always been very careful about staying within good school areas (Waukesha in wi and Gurnee in il).  Spending more on taxes is a better deal than paying for private schools.  Plus the larger public schools have much more resources.  Tasha will finish her undergrad 1-2 semesters ahead (notwithstanding the double major) because of AP classes @ Warren.  Alex has been doing engineering in "projet lead the way" every year of HS and will graduate with engineering credits.
I haven't even considered moves to place like Tx, Fl, La etc.. in most of those states, private schools are a must. when our youngest graduates HS, my wife and I will move to a tent in summer and a cave in winter to escape taxes and help our kids thru university.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: Super Dave on November 30, 2009, 08:02:27 AM
Quote from: SV88 on November 30, 2009, 06:12:43 AMSpending more on taxes is a better deal than paying for private schools.  Plus the larger public schools have much more resources
Hmmm....

Make sure that you tell that to the folks that don't have children attending school.  Justify to them your reason to force them to pay for your kids education.

Next, sure, there may be some area that have "wealthier" districts, but the most expensive districts, which get money from all the other state districts too by general redistribution, cost the most and graduate the least with their monopoly on local education.

To quote James Madison...
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America."

Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: xb12racerX on November 30, 2009, 10:04:30 AM
I know I'm paying "twice" through taxes and tuition.  SV. Are you speaking of Warren Township High School. I'm installing the fire sprinkler system in the additions to that school.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: Super Dave on November 30, 2009, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: xb12racerX on November 30, 2009, 10:04:30 AM
I know I'm paying "twice" through taxes and tuition.
And don't forget when you're kids are out of school...you'll still be forced to pay.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: SV88 on November 30, 2009, 02:59:11 PM
Yep Alex is @ Warren in the fresh-soph campus.  Next year he'll be @ the new one and Rina is @ Woodland - off to HS next year.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: Ducmarc on December 01, 2009, 09:29:06 PM
I've heard the argument that you are paying for your previous education and your kids will pay for theres 'm not an economist so i don't know if that is true. i do know my oldest daughter went all public , middle one went half and half and my youngest daughter has been all private and is by far the smartest . they are all interested in medicine but the youngest maybe the surgeon in the bunchand has been tapped by a major collage while still in seventh grade. I think they have  better chance to focus in private school and there is a measure of respect demanded upon them . not  so much that the teaching is better. the kids all push to be better academically . and are not weighed down by outside pressures added to them in public schools.  keep them in private school there's always F40
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: gearhead on December 01, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
SV88,
  I am a Project Lead The Way teacher at a large public high school in Iowa.  I'd will agree that this series of courses have really kicked me and my students  up a few notches as far as expectations.  Since there is college credit connected to them, it's helped me see what they, the colleges, really expect out of our students and it's been as good for me as it has been for the kids!  By the way, in my district, the private school kids come over to take these engineering classes since they cannot afford to offer them and they are doing just as well as the other kids.
  Public, private, charter, it really doesn't matter.  What DOES matter is how motivated your child is to learn, first.  If he or she is indifferent to learning and or any kind of structure, they'll be flipping burgers regardless of where they graduate from.
  IMHO and 30 years of teaching.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: Super Dave on December 02, 2009, 05:03:57 AM
Quote from: Ducmarc on December 01, 2009, 09:29:06 PM
I've heard the argument that you are paying for your previous education and your kids will pay for theres 'm not an economist so i don't know if that is true.
Take the person that said that out to the shed...

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."  TJ

If we want our kids educated, we must pay for it ourselves rather than saddling them with a debt of our decision. 
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: xb12racerX on December 02, 2009, 02:33:23 PM
Ralph. Please don't take offense to my post. It's in no way meant to put down public school. It's just a personal choice.
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: gearhead on December 02, 2009, 08:20:45 PM
Rocco,
  My comments were not meant to be critical to anyone's choice of schooling options and I hope they were not taken that way.  I'm very fortunate that I have a great situation where I teach and I know it's not that way everywhere.
  I'm sure your son is a very good student and will be successful regardless of which school option you and your family choose.
p.s. - I'm now part of the Michelin tire gang, thanks for your input!!
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: SV88 on December 02, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
Thanks for chimming Gearhead.  We (actually my wife) monitor (I enforce) our kids progress in school.  I agree with the statement that parents make the difference except in extreme circumstances (inner cities and the South) where school are really poor.

My experience with private schools is around here.  They're typically underfunded, don't have much equipment, don't have the best teachers.  The local private HS (Carmel) is a haven of drugs - do I want to pay $7k/yr to sent my kids there?  I think not.

In the inner cities/rural America and the South, the quality of public schools leaves much to be desired.  If we had to live in Chicago, you bet  the kids would be in private schools if they couldn't get into the Magnet ones.  Same thing if we were in Lo, Mi, Mo, Fl, Ge etc...

To Dave's point - funding
We have not forced our kid (the others are too young) into upper education.  She made that decision and we are supporting her financially.  She's bearing a significant portion of the cost through scholarships, PEL grants and earnings.  The advantage of making the child responsible for her own future (ie paying at least half her way) is she is motivated, works hard and will probably finish in less than 4 yrs.  She lives @ home, drives our oldest car (pays gas, insurance on it) and works part time.   Giving her financial responsability insures that she's motivated, sticks to her goals and achieves independance early.  How many kids that have full rides even finish one degree much less on time?
Title: Re: Racing in jeopody
Post by: Super Dave on December 02, 2009, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: SV88 on December 02, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
To Dave's point - funding
Wasn't my point.