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Title: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: jigs on June 25, 2009, 05:13:45 PM
Reading proud wifes post of spectator point of view,it made me think again on how so many people are missing out on great action,human excellence,danger,drama skill and so on.How many times have I been to a town and at a restaurant,they don't even know there's racing going on.You look at the cost of most sporting events that aren't even close in terms of excitiment,it's unreal.Where else can you go and picnic,spend a day at a nice facility,and watch some great action.I think we all somehow could do a better job at promoting this thing we do.I know money's tight for advertising,but there are people that would really enjoy this sport that don't even know we're runningon a particular weekend.I know not all people are bike people,but may come once and might like it if they knew we were here.I read her post and feel the same way,I love watching you guys compete,the heart and courage and skill that you guys and gals show every weekend you race,the adversity,the ups and downs,it's awesome.Would something as simple as making fyers and sendung them to Bike dealers,putting them in grocery stores,telephone poles fior that matter,I just think alot of people are missing ouy on a huge value in entertainment,and we're missing out on gate and consessions revenue,can CCS afford an add the local sports sections?? How many of us would volanteer some time to help promote?? Do you guys agree with this?? Have you thought of this....am I smoking dope??
I look forward to BHF in July where I will compete and do my best and watch all of you do the same,you guys are all stars,and more people should come atch you race...that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: truckstop on June 25, 2009, 06:04:23 PM
I think lowering the fee would help. I'm fine with it since I'm going to be there anyway, but to lure in more friends, and family, it would help if it didn't cost $25 to watch on Saturday. IMHO that's kind of steep to watch club racing. I've been told that BHF used to clip wristbands and gave a partial refund if people left Saturday night. If registration is going to be up front at the gate now, could we start doing that again? (I realize that charging for Saturday only is impossible because you'd have to check everyone on Sunday.)

Putting some advertising out in the local community around the track would be cool, but I think it also starts with us - talking friends into coming out to hang, posting on message boards about events, etc. It's hard for sure. I used to pester the crap out of my coworkers and friends and so far not a single one has shown up.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: GIGOLO on June 25, 2009, 07:38:09 PM
I get that too Jen, my own family (other than the wife) hasn't come out to watch.  I finally got my brother to come out the end of July.  He's going to try and and get his license that weekend and maybe race Sunday. 

I think its hard to promote mainly because the tracks are generally a couple hours away from big cities, the weather has a big impact ( how often is it 72 and sunny).  I think that you are both right, it starts with us.  I'm bigger than most people I could physically threaten them. :biggrin:  There are alot of sport bike riders around here (Chicago) they would come to watch if they knew about it.  Playing in rock bands has taught me that if you don't spread the word nobody is going to come watch.  If Kevin Elliot printed fliers for C.C.S. events in the Midwest and sent them to me, I would get them put up in all the Chicago-land bike dealers, and bike night spots.  John could promote it at dealerships that he knows and Jen could go to the bike dealers.  Kevin, if you like this idea I can send you my address.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on June 25, 2009, 08:36:52 PM
For me I started telling my story in 2005. I began by the casual email to friends and family reporting the happenings of the weekend. There was also a free to the reader publication "Cycle Scene Magazine" owned by John Marley here in Florida. I took the chance and sent an email to Mr Marley. To my surprise he responded and requested further articles. I did and I enjoyed the response of the readers and fellow racers. Sadly John Marley has passed since then and the publication is no longer. Maybe one day I will start it back up in his memory.

I still write articles for friends and have recently introduced them the the staff at PBIR. They will possibly use it in their publication reaction times.

Here is one from the past.
http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php/topic,22657.0.html

Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Super Dave on June 25, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
This is a pretty heavily beaten topic, so I'll try to throw in my quick two cents.

From the CCS side, it's sportsman racing.  It is racing for the racer.  The person or persons that come to the events are in general competitors.  Yeah, there's some neat action, but there isn't the hospitality or show available to pull in much for significant numbers to make much sense in generating much of a spectator base beyond that. 

There's only a small percentage of commited racers that attend every event, and most of those individuals are focused primarily upon their individual program occuring at the track.  Again, that doesn't generate much beyond the sportsman concept of racers racing racers and the sponsorships basically furthering exposure to other racers.

If one really wanted to make an impact, do it for yourself.  Generate your press releases, your fliers, your team, your rider, your "hospitality", and other items to attract others to come see you at the races.  No one goes to a race to see an organization.  Generally, they don't go to see a bike.  Few people would enjoy seeing me ride a Ducati GP09.  However, seeing Hayden or Stoner on it, that's a different story.  And that's my immediate illustration.  Make yourself an attraction, and that will help your program and drag CCS along with it.  It's not in the necessary interest of CCS to generate substantially more expenses, even if one could figure out some minimal ones, that could necessarily have a measureable impact upon getting more "spectators" to races. 

Reducing spectator gate fees?  Free ones have been tried in the past with no substantial change in attendance.  It sucks, I know, but really the best focus is to focus on yourself.  Additionally, it offers one the best opportunity to control the immediate product.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: RoyHefner on June 25, 2009, 10:22:35 PM
QuoteMake yourself an attraction, and that will help your program and drag CCS along with it.

I've been crashing quite a bit this year.  Spectators generally like that, yes?   :lmao:
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: George_Linhart on June 25, 2009, 10:26:53 PM
I know this is going to be unpopular, but, why can't we raise the race entry fee by a few bucks per race and eliminate the track entry fee?  I've got a handful of friends and family that actually would drive 2 + hours to watch a race and hang out, but with 3-6 person families they are not going to pay the entry fee on top of it.

When we say free entry didn't change attendance much, even 10 more people attending the races is better than none.  They will buy drinks and hotdogs, track will come out ahead.

Why on earth do we want to penalize people who just want to come watch?  Net-net it could be structured so that the racers will pay the same, lets give the break to the people who may want to actually be spectators at our little show!

George

Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Ducmarc on June 26, 2009, 12:18:43 AM
i kinda thought the new ama would have come out with the advertizing guns ablazing and we would have rode their coat tails a bit but that didn't happen not even a good show for people to watch still think home grown films on fuel fuse or cmt .that's the channels the teens and young adults watch and that's the ones to target . hey dad let's go watch those guys break their necks and get flown out in a chopper. add to the entry and cut the gate might work but i think it's 2 different pockets one ccs and one the track
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Super Dave on June 26, 2009, 05:44:42 AM
Quote from: George_Linhart on June 25, 2009, 10:26:53 PM
When we say free entry didn't change attendance much, even 10 more people attending the races is better than none.  They will buy drinks and hotdogs, track will come out ahead.
What the gate fee is used for varies.  Often, it's split between the organization and the track.  So, a portion of the gate goes to rent the track.  Hotdogs and the like are often sold at the track, but those folks are often contractors making their own money and leasing that space from the track. 
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: jigs on June 26, 2009, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: RoyHefner on June 25, 2009, 10:22:35 PM
I've been crashing quite a bit this year.  Spectators generally like that, yes?   :lmao:
Knock on wood Hefner!!
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on June 26, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
I don't necessarily believe that promoting CCS means cheaper gate prices. The meaning it does have for me is "talking it up". Let others know what a great weekend you had and the total events of the weekend. Yes it would be nice to have a few VIP passes to hand out, but I am not a business owner either. I believe that telling my part of the story helps to get others interested. After each weekend the guys I work with all clamour around to here some stories. Some have even attended and enjoyed themselves even though they are not enthusiasts like I am.

I like the idea of a hospitality tent. I am also giving more thought to the free magazine stuff. Each person can have a chance to tell their stories, and then some advertising too.

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Burt Munro on June 27, 2009, 03:00:02 AM
Maybe I go to too many football and hockey games...............

I think we could do more for the casual spectator who drops in and doesn't really know anyone there.  I can't tell you how many times when I've been working Grid that I get into casual conversations with spectators who are thrilled when I share info from the Grid Sheets with them.

Just little things like where the riders are from, what kind of bike they're riding.  People seem to eat this up - being able to make a connection with someone. 

' #31 is from my home town! '
' #675 is riding a Triumph - I've got an old Bonneville! '
' I know a guy from St. Louis named Probst - I wonder if he's any relation? '

I'm not talking about a full blown program - that wouldn't make sense financially.
Just a one or two page sheet they could take with them as they wander thru the pits that has just the basics......

#        Rider Name         Type of Bike        Hometown

I think spectators would love to make more of a connection with the riders if they had a little more info.

With the way things are now it just isn't that easy.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: ProudWife on June 27, 2009, 08:35:25 AM
As a spectator and part of the racing team, I do find the gate fee to be a little too high, especially when a family of 5 and some of their friends come altogether.  I believe it should be a fee per vehicle, say $25.00 per "spectator vehicle," per day, not $25.00 per person in the vehicle for both days.  The racers should be charged perhaps a $10.00 vehicle fee for parking, instead of a gate fee as well.  It's really not fair to pay such a high price on a gate fee then have to be hit for an intro fee for each race. Then perhaps riders would enter more races. Then that way, families would be more inclined to spend money on other things such as food at the tracks or other things like t-shirts, key rings, parts for the riders, etc.  Also while at the gate, such as in round track racing, raffle tickets can be offered at $1.00 to $2.00 a piece in order to raise extra money. What a good way for the track businesses to get involved there as well, as even track businesses could sell raffle tickets for parts and other prizes, keep the money for the cost of the item, then volunteer the remainder to the track if they'd like for advertising. It would be good advertising for everyone involved, and if you have a good accountant, many write off's as well.

When you look at what a family has to spend to get into the gates, on a hot day, most families will out weigh.. well do we go to the track today or do we go to a water theme park?  It's almost just as expensive.  When families come, bringing teenage children and even younger, they quickly spread the word as well.  It would be neat to see each track some how ensure the middle aged or older children could some how get involved, like say some one has a set up to where kids can get on a bike and get a feel for it.  Children are great when it comes to spreading words of excitement.  And like they do in theme parks, there could be an area where there is a tunnel of misting water, so the children can have fun and cool off.  I would say misting of water could be set up on the bleachers where everyone sits, but I can imagine that too many women in their "skivies" would be most distracting to the riders as they go by...lol.  I for one would find that an exciting way to work on my tan while I watch the races.

And I strongly believe with Mark Tenn in sharing your stories on how the events of the weekend went for each rider.   I have read many stories from Mark Tenn, and as a spectator, it gives me such an exciting insight of how the rider feels while they are on the track.  All I can say is, to everyone here.... ask Mark to post a sample of what he writes, and you will find it to be most interesting and impressive. I constantly tell him that and he doesn't believe me...lol.   I would "so love" to see other riders do the same. To me, it completes the view of the rider in whole and brings the spectators for a moment into their lives to see what it would be like as a rider as they spend their day at the track, getting ready for the races is just as interesting as the races themselves.  There are plenty of people at the tracks that can contribute to their own form of advertising one way or another.  My husband owns a business, and we promote the CCS Florida track dates and try to get people interested.  I also think that if each business owner is serious about adding followers to their cause, if you have a business web site, then add a link that takes them to your racing world and schedule.  I see many bumper stickers advertising the racing series, say for an example, CCS Stickers, they are nice, but I don't see a web site on the sticker, so if you're in a parking lot, that doesn't tell much to the person reading the sticker.  Make it more of advertising sticker that every rider will be glad to add to their vehicle or trailer. 

On another side of advertising, what if riders donated money to have a couple of stories published in the Entertainment Section of their most popular News Paper?  For instance, in Miami, we know it's the Miami Herald.  Writer's of the News Paper would love it and while the article/s are being published, then the opportunity for the next race event can be listed.  Unfortunately, more people will purchase the News Paper before they go to the book store to purchase Motorcycle Magazines.  There are so many opportunities to get it going, and when it does though, then definitely there will have to be changes to put more races onto Saturday's. 

And one more exciting thing that is missing, is someone being able to video/film each of the races.  Pictures are nice, but I for one would be willing to pay some bucks to purchase a DVD of the race day.  Just some things to think about...........
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: chaplain220 on June 28, 2009, 07:03:36 PM
Surviving in this economy is an accomplishment unto itself, but it would be great to watch CCS grow as the word gets out through racers.  I believe that roadracers as a whole, in the eyes of our neighbors, friends and family, are a type of super-hero, (at least to the ones who dont think we are smokin crack), that many young people can look up to because they see that we are living out our passion and dreams of adventure.  There are so many young adults and kids in our culture that could learn from our success, failures and brotherhood on the track.  The point being, contact your local paper or news, and find the reporter who would like to come and see how average Joe citizen becomes larger than life during pitched battles on track.  Guaranteed the reporters will not go away empty-handed with pics and interviews for a great feature or bit piece.  Another great tool is the trackday.  Make some time between your sessions and on the lunch break to cruise the paddock and meet the track-day guys.  Yeah, you'll get the same questions every weekend, but it really means something to them when you wrench on their bikes for a few minutes or share some of your experiences, skills, or in my case...mishaps.  You'll be surprised how many bros you'll influence to make the jump to racing, and that translates into more racers, more family and more friends coming to watch.   Some of life's finest hours in my life have begun with rolling my racebike on its trailer and heading off to the track.  More bros need to know about what we do, and why.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: xb12racerX on June 28, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
I like the idea of a $25 fee per car. Say no more than 4 people, then a per person fee after that. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the $25 per person fee keeps a lot of people out.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on June 29, 2009, 09:25:19 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on June 27, 2009, 03:00:02 AM
Maybe I go to too many football and hockey games...............

I think we could do more for the casual spectator who drops in and doesn't really know anyone there.  I can't tell you how many times when I've been working Grid that I get into casual conversations with spectators who are thrilled when I share info from the Grid Sheets with them.

Just little things like where the riders are from, what kind of bike they're riding.  People seem to eat this up - being able to make a connection with someone. 

' #31 is from my home town! '
' #675 is riding a Triumph - I've got an old Bonneville! '
' I know a guy from St. Louis named Probst - I wonder if he's any relation? '

I'm not talking about a full blown program - that wouldn't make sense financially.
Just a one or two page sheet they could take with them as they wander thru the pits that has just the basics......

#        Rider Name         Type of Bike        Hometown

I think spectators would love to make more of a connection with the riders if they had a little more info.

With the way things are now it just isn't that easy.

Burt - I like that idea of sharing stats. I had the idea to make up some business cards sized information cards. The color of my bike-yellow and my competition number in bold on one side then my stats on the other. This has motivated me to move forward with it again. Now how do I do this on the coputer?

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: truckstop on June 29, 2009, 11:54:10 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on June 27, 2009, 03:00:02 AM
Maybe I go to too many football and hockey games...............

I think we could do more for the casual spectator who drops in and doesn't really know anyone there.  I can't tell you how many times when I've been working Grid that I get into casual conversations with spectators who are thrilled when I share info from the Grid Sheets with them.

Just little things like where the riders are from, what kind of bike they're riding.  People seem to eat this up - being able to make a connection with someone. 

' #31 is from my home town! '
' #675 is riding a Triumph - I've got an old Bonneville! '
' I know a guy from St. Louis named Probst - I wonder if he's any relation? '

I'm not talking about a full blown program - that wouldn't make sense financially.
Just a one or two page sheet they could take with them as they wander thru the pits that has just the basics......

#        Rider Name         Type of Bike        Hometown

I think spectators would love to make more of a connection with the riders if they had a little more info.

With the way things are now it just isn't that easy.

Love this idea. It could be done with existing information - say it's a black and white photocopied 8.5x11 double sided sheet folded in half - front page is the schedule - reduced to fit. Middle spread is all the riders names, #'s, city, and bike from that region. Back panel is a short description of what the classes are. (Cos the schedule is mighty confusing to a first timer) Include links to the website to get more detailed information. Make it available to people at the gate when they get a wristband. Not sure if a spectator would know to look for a schedule in registration. There used to be names and rider #'s on the back of the schedule, but I don't think that's done anymore?

The numbers get added to as new people get licensed, but really the only thing that would have to change is the front with the weekend's schedule on it.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Ducmarc on June 29, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
a name face and bike number would help us too. sometimes you meet on the grid and then can't pick the rider out with their helmet off .so you know it's impossible for the spectator.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: truckstop on June 30, 2009, 10:40:37 AM
Including a picture is a nice idea, but I would imagine organizing getting headshots from everyone to be a bit like herding cats.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on June 30, 2009, 12:20:11 PM
How about a really willing umbrella girl?

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: DEVINC on June 30, 2009, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: skidMARK on June 30, 2009, 12:20:11 PM
How about a really willing umbrella girl?

Mark



:boink:    :thumb:  ya
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: xb12racerX on June 30, 2009, 08:12:16 PM
we could all do the Rossi thing and get our face on the top of our helmets.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: weggieman on July 01, 2009, 04:06:58 PM
Lots of ideas here but back to the beginning................you're smoking dope!
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on July 01, 2009, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: weggieman on July 01, 2009, 04:06:58 PM
Lots of ideas here but back to the beginning................you're smoking dope!

I know that I am smoking, but why do you call me dope?
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: jigs on July 02, 2009, 11:19:09 AM
Although it's true,I have smoked dope,BUT,I think I'll have some fun and make some flyers out and visit the local cycle dealers and I'm sure they'll let me put them on the front door,who knows,maybe it'll get a little something going.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: ProudWife on July 02, 2009, 01:06:45 PM
List of riders, pictures, and their bikes can be something that can be done at the beginning or ending of each year.  The problem with updating that information for each race, it becomes too costly.  A flyer can be put together or just a list of race stats can be printed out and handed out at the next race for the spectators to review. It seems like the stats, and the list of riders would benefit the riders themselves, not the spectators.  That way each riding similar bikes can share experiences and/or parts if necessary.  For example, many times, I hear on the loud speaker that someone's bike is not working or went down, and then the announcers ask over the air for someone with the similar bike who can help to come forward to meet up with the racer. 

But to be honest, many of the spectators are not there for the stats, just good racing. So the question goes back to, what can be done to bring more spectators into the racing arena to produce more reasonable income where it's needed.  The more reasonably collected income from spectators, could possibly mean a decrease in the prices of races, therefore allowing the racers the opportunity to enter more races. 

I still believe that if in every area, if the most popular News Paper is contacted for racing articles to be published in (usually the entertainment or sports section), then at the end of the article, state where the next race will be held. And if they bring in the article they get $5 off at the gate for either one vehicle or one person - or a free meal for the family from a restaurant that is willing to get some free advertising as well - this will result in creating incentive to come and that would be a good way to see if the News Paper articles are working.  In addition to the News Paper, Flyers, and Internet working would be a good way to get the word out.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: ProudWife on July 02, 2009, 01:11:08 PM
PS - Mark, I am sure Lori and Michelle will be happy to be umbrella girls. Umbrella girls were drastically needed at Homestead this past weekend. :]
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Gbord on July 02, 2009, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on June 25, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
This is a pretty heavily beaten topic, so I'll try to throw in my quick two cents.

From the CCS side, it's sportsman racing.  It is racing for the racer.  The person or persons that come to the events are in general competitors.  Yeah, there's some neat action, but there isn't the hospitality or show available to pull in much for significant numbers to make much sense in generating much of a spectator base beyond that. 

There's only a small percentage of committed racers that attend every event, and most of those individuals are focused primarily upon their individual program occurring at the track.  Again, that doesn't generate much beyond the sportsman concept of racers racing racers and the sponsorships basically furthering exposure to other racers.

If one really wanted to make an impact, do it for yourself.  Generate your press releases, your fliers, your team, your rider, your "hospitality", and other items to attract others to come see you at the races.  No one goes to a race to see an organization.  Generally, they don't go to see a bike.  Few people would enjoy seeing me ride a Ducati GP09.  However, seeing Hayden or Stoner on it, that's a different story.  And that's my immediate illustration.  Make yourself an attraction, and that will help your program and drag CCS along with it.  It's not in the necessary interest of CCS to generate substantially more expenses, even if one could figure out some minimal ones, that could necessarily have a measurable impact upon getting more "spectators" to races. 

Reducing spectator gate fees?  Free ones have been tried in the past with no substantial change in attendance.  It sucks, I know, but really the best focus is to focus on yourself.  Additionally, it offers one the best opportunity to control the immediate product.

Is this really the view that CCS/ASRA takes and practices?  I find it hard to believe that they would not want increased exposure, attendance and, with proper management, more profit.   The very simple idea of program listing participants is an improvement.  My bet is that spectators would even pay for it!  Just the other week at VIR I heard people saying that they wish they had a program.  We need a way to get new people to the track and good ideas like the ones in this thread implemented to keep 'em coming back.  Having those veterans at Summit was a great idea.  Was it promoted outside of the roadracing community? That could have been a catalyst to get others to attend.   I for one would be happy to print out a pdf file designed and approved by CCS and distribute them around my local area a few weeks before a "local" race.  Bottom line is that the stake holders have to work together to evolve the product and this "sportsman" theory doesn't cut it!   Maybe it's time to take another look at things and start promoting and championing this sport we all love.  It isn't much, but I take my "gently used" roadracing mags to the gym and put them on the racks for others to read.  Seems like the obstacle is not a lack of ideas, but the lack of willingness and teamwork to implement them.  Maybe pick one date at a suitable track and have a raffle, a mist tunnel, BBQ, a big bouncy castle for the kids, hell just have the local carnies set up shop and promote, promote, promote.  Begin it Now!
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: mx558 on July 03, 2009, 11:49:39 AM
Its the gate fee that keeps the spectators away.  I had some freinds that came out last year and were defintly put off by the gate fee. It should be 5 or maybe 10 for each person. People are not going to pay 25 bucks to watch us slugs racing. I don't mind paying it myself as I have already fiqured on spending a G for the weekend. We could use more advertising for sure as most people don't even know theirs a race going on in the same town were in.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on July 04, 2009, 01:27:34 PM
I'm not totally convinced that it is the gate fee that keeps them away but it is a contributing factor. We share a common enthusiasm when it pertains to motorcycles and then even moreso when it invloves racing. There are many in the genaral population that just don't get it, but they can watch golfing for hours.

How do I make what I do attractive? I do a little dance, make a little...

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Burt Munro on July 04, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
Get down tonight!   Get down tonight!


:biggrin:
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Ducmarc on July 04, 2009, 07:32:58 PM
well robin comes in on sunday because of the price and we are the racers hear we are right next to the largest city in florida and if you count ft lauderale probably the south east and it was a ghost town think what you can do in a depressed economy on 25 bucks 2 movies and popcorn gun show about 10 bucks( and they advertise) fish in the keys since your almost there. primerib dinner with a drink and salad.parrot jungle monkey jungle viscaya metro zoo several rum runners at the tiki bar in key largo  and its june in miami. so the only spectators are hard core. we live 1 hour from disney but we only go every couple of years  because of the cost. arena football was canceled cut ticket prices at daytona and still did not sell out.we may have to weather this out.  i haven't seen cycle news in a bike chain store in a long time nevermind RW so how does a new rider find out about word of mouth
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on July 05, 2009, 01:22:58 AM
Cycle Scene Magazine.

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on July 05, 2009, 01:23:32 AM
Now you're onto something Burt
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: GKBuzz on July 14, 2009, 09:27:42 PM
There are some businesses in Beloit that don't know BHF is even there! Maybe we should have a Saturday night parade of bikes through downtown. I've always wanted to get some larger (big) size CCS decals for the trailers. Fliers and posters around the midwest with the whole schedule printed on it could really help.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Super Dave on July 14, 2009, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: Gbord on July 02, 2009, 06:49:50 PM
Is this really the view that CCS/ASRA takes and practices?  I find it hard to believe that they would not want increased exposure, attendance and, with proper management, more profit.   The very simple idea of program listing participants is an improvement.  My bet is that spectators would even pay for it!  Just the other week at VIR I heard people saying that they wish they had a program.  We need a way to get new people to the track and good ideas like the ones in this thread implemented to keep 'em coming back.  Having those veterans at Summit was a great idea.  Was it promoted outside of the roadracing community? That could have been a catalyst to get others to attend.   I for one would be happy to print out a pdf file designed and approved by CCS and distribute them around my local area a few weeks before a "local" race.  Bottom line is that the stake holders have to work together to evolve the product and this "sportsman" theory doesn't cut it!   Maybe it's time to take another look at things and start promoting and championing this sport we all love.  It isn't much, but I take my "gently used" roadracing mags to the gym and put them on the racks for others to read.  Seems like the obstacle is not a lack of ideas, but the lack of willingness and teamwork to implement them.  Maybe pick one date at a suitable track and have a raffle, a mist tunnel, BBQ, a big bouncy castle for the kids, hell just have the local carnies set up shop and promote, promote, promote.  Begin it Now!
Well, again, you've proposed some ideas...

How much do those cost?  How much profit would you bank on?  Clear Channel Entertainment did own CCS and FUSA for a period of time.  They had a national series in FUSA and even bought major network TV time.  But the results of that were no increase in attendance. 

Who is at the race?  If you charge $25 a head to see me race, would most people that like racing rather keep their $25 and put up another $25 to go see Mladin race? 

The sanctioning body is there to provide the format.  Get spectators to come see you.  Yoshimura spends millions to get people to come see Mladin, Tommy, and Blake, and that works to get spectators to the AMA sanctioned event.  Do people go to ASRA races to see Danny Bilansky on his Hal's Buell?  Sure.  It's an attraction.  Each "team" in CCS should strive to make their program a sportsman attraction to move forward...if that's what they want.  But most racers are just in it for the recreational activity just above a track day.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Super Dave on July 14, 2009, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: GKBuzz on July 14, 2009, 09:27:42 PM
There are some businesses in Beloit that don't know BHF is even there! Maybe we should have a Saturday night parade of bikes through downtown. I've always wanted to get some larger (big) size CCS decals for the trailers. Fliers and posters around the midwest with the whole schedule printed on it could really help.
Blackhawk has been a member of the local Chamber of Commerce.  In the past, they had political activities for local politicians.  I have been to the Rockton Christmas parade twice with the Blackhawk staff in my leathers (I had Tom from the track in a set too) with a Blackhawk float. 

Make your Blackhawk schedule.  Hand it out to get people to come see you.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Cowboy 6 on July 23, 2009, 08:56:23 AM
Quote from: xb12racerX on June 28, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
I like the idea of a $25 fee per car. Say no more than 4 people, then a per person fee after that. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the $25 per person fee keeps a lot of people out.

+1

I have always felt that CCS has a family atmosphere. The problem is, the gate fee is more of a discouragement for family participation. Making a guy choose between a new(safe) set of tires or bringing his family along is the wrong answer. He or she needs the new tires to keep not only themselves safe but the rest of us as well. I think that encouraging families to participate or at least attend would produce a far better outcome and future for the organization.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: xb12racerX on July 23, 2009, 06:37:55 PM
exactly. there is still money to be made at the food stands and stores. save at the gate, spend inside.  it will be interesting to see how the attendance will be this weekend at BHF. Both in racers and fans.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: mx558 on July 27, 2009, 06:20:48 PM
attendence looked to be down and grids were small except all the fast guys in my class. (haha) That said I have people that would come if the gate fee was 10 per person each day but are not going to pay 25
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: xb12racerX on July 27, 2009, 07:48:23 PM
I agree 100%. Sucks too. I had 2 podiums and no friends there to watch. I realize people can't always make the races, but I also know that the cost makes people think twice about coming to the track.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Over-ReActor on July 27, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on July 23, 2009, 08:56:23 AM
+1

I have always felt that CCS has a family atmosphere. The problem is, the gate fee is more of a discouragement for family participation. Making a guy choose between a new(safe) set of tires or bringing his family along is the wrong answer. He or she needs the new tires to keep not only themselves safe but the rest of us as well. I think that encouraging families to participate or at least attend would produce a far better outcome and future for the organization.
Quote from: xb12racerX on July 23, 2009, 06:37:55 PM
exactly. there is still money to be made at the food stands and stores. save at the gate, spend inside.  it will be interesting to see how the attendance will be this weekend at BHF. Both in racers and fans.

I seen these arguements before and it was explained very well from a simple business sense by a race organizer.  I'll try to paraphrase.

If CCS was to cut it's ticket prices in half, it would have to double its attendance just to break even.  Now, you would have twice the people and be making the same amount of money.  Or would you?  With twice the people comes more headaches and services that you have to provide.  Toilets, security, attendants etc.  So, why deal with more people to make the same or less money.

It was also found out that attendance really didn't increase that much anyway.

Also, the food vendors and such are normally not the profit of the race promoter.  So, that money goes to someone else.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on July 27, 2009, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: mx558 on July 27, 2009, 06:20:48 PM
attendence looked to be down and grids were small except all the fast guys in my class. (haha) That said I have people that would come if the gate fee was 10 per person each day but are not going to pay 25

It used to be $10/day. But due to the retards who stayed overnight on a one day wristband, they went to the wristbands bought on saturday also include sundays gate fee. Thats the reason for the $25 on sat (well used to be $20 until they raised it to $25) and $15 on sunday.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on July 28, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
"If CCS was to cut it's ticket prices in half, it would have to double its attendance just to break even.  Now, you would have twice the people and be making the same amount of money.  Or would you?  With twice the people comes more headaches and services that you have to provide."

I see how that works, but then I could extrapolate and say raise the gate prices through the roof have one attendee and thereby getting rid of even more headache.

Usually though and I think many times the spectators are the family and friends at this club level racing. $30 now for Saturday (practice day) and Sunday (race day) here in Florida. I limit my racing to just a couple races and thus being a better deal than a track day at the same track.

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Over-ReActor on July 28, 2009, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: skidMARK on July 28, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
"If CCS was to cut it's ticket prices in half, it would have to double its attendance just to break even.  Now, you would have twice the people and be making the same amount of money.  Or would you?  With twice the people comes more headaches and services that you have to provide."

I see how that works, but then I could extrapolate and say raise the gate prices through the roof have one attendee and thereby getting rid of even more headache.

Usually though and I think many times the spectators are the family and friends at this club level racing. $30 now for Saturday (practice day) and Sunday (race day) here in Florida. I limit my racing to just a couple races and thus being a better deal than a track day at the same track.

Mark
Mark

I think the organizers have found the fine line in pricing. I've heard people complain that their mother, brother or wife wouldn't pay to come see them (they must really suck).  So why would a stranger at any cost?  Club racing isn't a spectator sport. It's like softball or amatuer golf, you pay to play.

I am curious to how your racing day is cheaper than a trackday. My trackdays are $150-$180. I ride 7 times a day. What does it cost you for a couple races and your family to attend?
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Ducmarc on July 28, 2009, 10:36:35 PM
yeah go ahead tell us chang
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Ducmarc on July 28, 2009, 11:12:08 PM
this is the SCCA theory no spectators  but go to a drag race or a dirt track i drag raced for twenty years we would not take the car off the trailer for less than a thousand bucks and they did this by packing the stands at ten bucks a pop.went to see my friend race at the local dirt track a couple of weeks ago there was 5 of us i was kind of sweating the ticket booth10 bucks each and if you brought your unemployment stub or military ID you got in free had a 5 hour show with the heat races even could afford drinks and popcorn. one of my other friend races club enduros he was interested in road racing i told him how much i spent in a normal weekend he liked to passed out. one weekend would cover about 4 weekends for him I don't know what the answer is I'm not a promotor and i know Henry thinks about this day and night ( he's the one trying to make a living out of it) but with the shrinking grids we are definitely going in the wrong direction i think there will be a time when the ccs series my shrink to a few races a year in each division. Henry is already talking of canning homestead in the summer. here's a world class track right next to a huge metropolitan city free garages free electric all paved paddock and he can't break even.we only go to Jennings once a year now and i don't think it would hurt his feelings if we never went back. i think another year in this climate we will have 2 races at homestead and 4 or 5 races at palm beach. and if want to race more your going to have to travel I'm surprised ccs and wera haven't merged of at least combined like the AFL and the NFL  everyone else has  also for the spectator drag racing you see the whole race short track super cross football baseball hockey you see the whole thing road race you see 3 corners at best. we may have to think about shorter tracks like large cart tracks where you sit in the stands and watch the whole show
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Over-ReActor on July 28, 2009, 11:34:53 PM
Quote from: Ducmarc on July 28, 2009, 11:12:08 PM
this is the SCCA theory no spectators  but go to a drag race or a dirt track i drag raced for twenty years we would not take the car off the trailer for less than a thousand bucks and they did this by packing the stands at ten bucks a pop.went to see my friend race at the local dirt track a couple of weeks ago there was 5 of us i was kind of sweating the ticket booth10 bucks each and if you brought your unemployment stub or military ID you got in free had a 5 hour show with the heat races even could afford drinks and popcorn. one of my other friend races club enduros he was interested in road racing i told him how much i spent in a normal weekend he liked to passed out. one weekend would cover about 4 weekends for him I don't know what the answer is I'm not a promotor and i know Henry thinks about this day and night ( he's the one trying to make a living out of it) but with the shrinking grids we are definitely going in the wrong direction i think there will be a time when the ccs series my shrink to a few races a year in each division. Henry is already talking of canning homestead in the summer. here's a world class track right next to a huge metropolitan city free garages free electric all paved paddock and he can't break even.we only go to Jennings once a year now and i don't think it would hurt his feelings if we never went back. i think another year in this climate we will have 2 races at homestead and 4 or 5 races at palm beach. and if want to race more your going to have to travel I'm surprised ccs and wera haven't merged of at least combined like the AFL and the NFL  everyone else has  also for the spectator drag racing you see the whole race short track super cross football baseball hockey you see the whole thing road race you see 3 corners at best. we may have to think about shorter tracks like large cart tracks where you sit in the stands and watch the whole show
Are you talking about trying to make money at this?  AMA teams can't do it.  This is your hobby, not a job. Peoples wives won't pay admission to see them.  There is no cure. You pay to race and go broke.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on July 29, 2009, 12:58:02 AM
Quote from: Over-ReActor on July 28, 2009, 10:01:25 PM
Mark

I think the organizers have found the fine line in pricing. I've heard people complain that their mother, brother or wife wouldn't pay to come see them (they must really suck).  So why would a stranger at any cost?  Club racing isn't a spectator sport. It's like softball or amatuer golf, you pay to play.

I am curious to how your racing day is cheaper than a trackday. My trackdays are $150-$180. I ride 7 times a day. What does it cost you for a couple races and your family to attend?

Before racing as a spectator I would come up to Moroso just to spectate with the rest of my friends, who incidentally didn't race. I think I am the only one out of that group that finally took up the challenge and take it to the track.

I typically would race just one race and sometimes two in the Florida region. Saturday all day is practice $75, and each race is $55. So practice with one race is $130 and practice with two races $185. I have been lucky to have won a couple regional championships and so with the help of Henry Degouw each champ gets a VIP gate pass for each championship. In 2007 I only won the Ultralight Superbike championship so that has emtitled me to one VIP gate pass. It is on occasion that my wife Nancy will attend mostly due to work (she is a 911 dispatcher and it is difficult to get time off). Saturday practice usually includes about 7 sessions but mostly 6 session at least. Sunday morning is a morning warm-up session and then all races are on Sunday.

So a typical race weekend at PBIR can be $185 or a track day will be $220. Homestead is a little cheaper with the race weekend being the same and the trackday being $200. At PBIR they do have their own trackday which they charge $175 and I think a gate fee for 5 sessions.

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: fz6rider on August 06, 2009, 08:17:33 PM
My initial reaction, is "Talk it Up!"   I don't know that the $25 gate fee is keeping people away. Yes, I can see it's a challenge for families. Maybe $10 would attract people... that's little enough that most every one can afford it. Perhaps offer every one under 16 for free.  However: people need to know about it. The non-racing public. I saw my first races (and only ones to date) at HPT in Topeka. I drove 4 hours one way to get there.  There is a new track near Denver I want to check out. It's closer.   I loved the races I saw. All you racers were friendly, as was the staff. I thought I got a heck of a value for my $25.  I would suggest you use your trailers. They are moving billboards. Put "Motorcycle racing " in huge letters on the side, with a silhouette of dragging knees. Maybe add the weekend's race location on there. People will attend for the fun experience. They do need to know about it, and be invited.  If I knew all the answers, I'd be rich.   Is the cost prohibitive? I do'n t think so. Look at the prices the pro sports charge.  And NASCAR.   I don't consider that a good value. Apparently I am in the minority!
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on August 06, 2009, 09:35:10 PM
Some points to consider:

1) This is club racing where the club is for the members.
2) The organizers make the money on racer participation and not so much on the spectator. The emphasis is the racer.
3) Spectators are there because they are motorcycle enthusiast much like the racer except they haven't raced.
4) A motorcycle billboard on a trailer advertises what is in the trailer and provides the thief with inside information. The thief after lawn equipment breaks into a lawn trailer while the thief after motorcycles break into motorcycle race trailers. If I put graphics on my trailer advertising bio-hazard waste I really don't think that anyone would break in.
5) How many of us, motorcycle enthusiasts, actually attend SCCA racing? Not many I am sure unless there is a personal reason such as a buddy who is participating.

Can we get the word out? Yes, I think so.
Who do we attract? Other motorcycle enthusiasts, track day participants that may want to race.

I am hoping to emphasize a fan base; hospitality canopy(in my case), baseball caps with my competition number hopefully to get the crowd cheering for me, information post cards with rider information, bike information, race schedule, etc...

..and then maybe a free magazine to spread the word around the State.

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: DEVINC on August 07, 2009, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: skidMARK on August 06, 2009, 09:35:10 PM



If I put graphics on my trailer advertising bio-hazard waste I really don't think that anyone would break in.


:lmao: do you have any extras because i really need to put some all over my house and garage. maybe i wont get any more things stolen
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: baatfam on August 07, 2009, 01:59:30 PM
New member - First post - Hope no one minds if I join in...

This is a timely and interesting topic as my wife and I were planning on coming up to Blackhawk on the 22nd or 23rd.
I want to check out how things work up there.
Looks like we'll be there on 23rd now, ($15) and not the 22nd, ($25)...LOL
One thing to note...until I read this thread, I had no idea what we would have to pay to get in as a spectator.
I checked both the BHF site and the CCS site...if it is there, it is not easy to find.

I'm a regular bike racer, down the road from you, at Byron Dragway...(no jokes now...its a lot of fun even without the turning part)
Road racing is something I've been considering trying for some time, (heck...I've already got a trailer and gear)
Of course, I'm old and I do need to get my wife on board, hence the trip to Blackhawk....

Of interest to this thread, may be the fact that Byron packs in the spectators at $10 each...heck for $25 you can make runs on the track.
Car loads of families and kids and grilles and coolers and canopies...
Oh, and they handle two day events with different colored wrist bands.

OK...this is really an intro...hoping for good weather that weekend and a chance to meet some of you.

Bob T.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: truckstop on August 07, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: fz6rider on August 06, 2009, 08:17:33 PMI would suggest you use your trailers. They are moving billboards. Put "Motorcycle racing " in huge letters on the side

Which would turn it into a moving billboard to steal all our stuff.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Apriliapilot on August 07, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
Has anyone considered partnering with various organizations , causes and functions, I've partnered with different groups and functions with our team it helped get the word out and get people out to see what it was all about.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: truckstop on August 07, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on July 27, 2009, 11:27:18 PM
It used to be $10/day. But due to the retards who stayed overnight on a one day wristband, they went to the wristbands bought on saturday also include sundays gate fee. Thats the reason for the $25 on sat (well used to be $20 until they raised it to $25) and $15 on sunday.

But I thought at one point they also tried charging the full amount Saturday, and then if you leave, you get your wristband clipped and $10 or something back, which would prevent people from trying to sneak the whole weekend.

Or you do 3 colors of wristbands - 2 day, Sat only, Sun only.

There were about 6-8 guys parked in the "party trolley" that was in T4 at Blackhawk the last weekend there who had never been to an event before, and didn't appear to know anyone racing. They thought it was cool and were asking a lot of questions.

I think the draw for them was the band playing Saturday night, but they came back on Sunday too.

If it's promoted more, I think more strangers would come.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Burt Munro on August 07, 2009, 05:06:32 PM
There's an article in todays STL Post-Dispatch about the ADRL, a new Drag Racing organization whose business model is focused on getting as many butts as possible into the seats.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/columnists.nsf/davidnicklaus/story/D98FEBD1786170378625760B0002FF98?OpenDocument (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/columnists.nsf/davidnicklaus/story/D98FEBD1786170378625760B0002FF98?OpenDocument)

The basic concept of revenue is to give tickets away and make money off of parking and concession sales.  With that approach they've latched onto major sponsors, Hardee's and the National Guard and are expecting to bring 60,000 people into Gateway this weekend.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: KTG on August 15, 2009, 10:29:54 PM
Quote from: truckstop on August 07, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
There were about 6-8 guys parked in the "party trolley" that was in T4 at Blackhawk the last weekend there who had never been to an event before, and didn't appear to know anyone racing. They thought it was cool and were asking a lot of questions.


Half were passed out on the trolley Sunday :D
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: xb12racerX on August 16, 2009, 09:35:26 AM
I don't see how anyone can't believe that the $25 per person fee is a detriment. Do the math. Family of 4 is.....blah, blah.   I know I have friends that stay away because of that reason. People don't have the extra $$, especially in today's economy.
I think the tracks make a bigger deal about the 3 colored wrist band deal than it really is. But they stand the most to lose. Me? I'll just not race. I've only done one race weekend this year. Sucks for me as like all here, I love to race. But I also live in the real world.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Ducmarc on August 16, 2009, 11:04:18 AM
anybody know how the turn out was for the drag race?
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: KTG on August 18, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
Way to promote CCS...How bout an 8hr enduro at BHF's into the night!
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Burt Munro on August 18, 2009, 03:13:12 PM
If you're asking about the ADRL drags at Gateway Aug 7th and 8th they had to turn people away and close the gates for awhile on both Friday and Saturday due to the crowd.   

I don't know the final attendance figure but I heard 60,000 being tossed around fairly often.

A guy I know helped out with the event and he told me they distributed 800,000 free tickets.
Parking was $20 per car and the concession and souvenir sales were through the roof.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Ducmarc on August 18, 2009, 10:55:26 PM
i rest my case
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: SVbadguy on August 22, 2009, 06:35:25 PM
Create a simple flyer in Word or PowerPoint and post it wherever you can get away with it.  I posted them on bulletin boards at work.  Only a few people know I race.  Because I did this one guy and his wife will be coming out, camping and making a weekend of it.  I posted one at my sponsor's shop too.  Printing a few flyers is really cheap.


(http://home.earthlink.net/~devildawgracing/flyer.jpg)
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: jigs on August 24, 2009, 07:29:22 PM
Now that's a nice flyer!! :thumb:
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: MJFRacing on August 25, 2009, 06:02:00 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on June 25, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
This is a pretty heavily beaten topic, so I'll try to throw in my quick two cents.

From the CCS side, it's sportsman racing.  It is racing for the racer.  The person or persons that come to the events are in general competitors.  Yeah, there's some neat action, but there isn't the hospitality or show available to pull in much for significant numbers to make much sense in generating much of a spectator base beyond that. 

There's only a small percentage of commited racers that attend every event, and most of those individuals are focused primarily upon their individual program occuring at the track.  Again, that doesn't generate much beyond the sportsman concept of racers racing racers and the sponsorships basically furthering exposure to other racers.

If one really wanted to make an impact, do it for yourself.  Generate your press releases, your fliers, your team, your rider, your "hospitality", and other items to attract others to come see you at the races.  No one goes to a race to see an organization.  Generally, they don't go to see a bike.  Few people would enjoy seeing me ride a Ducati GP09.  However, seeing Hayden or Stoner on it, that's a different story.  And that's my immediate illustration.  Make yourself an attraction, and that will help your program and drag CCS along with it.  It's not in the necessary interest of CCS to generate substantially more expenses, even if one could figure out some minimal ones, that could necessarily have a measureable impact upon getting more "spectators" to races. 

Reducing spectator gate fees?  Free ones have been tried in the past with no substantial change in attendance.  It sucks, I know, but really the best focus is to focus on yourself.  Additionally, it offers one the best opportunity to control the immediate product.

Well said and I agree!
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: weggieman on August 25, 2009, 09:26:43 PM
Nice flyer, now ask CCS how much they will contribute for advertising their business. This may get a few people out to see you but it won't change anything else.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on August 25, 2009, 10:46:58 PM
Henry with the Florida region does a bancg up job with his flyers much like that example. He does put loads of information on it. Mail and local bike shops are within the circulation. It even has sponsors for the series giving good exposure. Each month it features a different rider on the cover picture.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Court Jester on August 25, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
Personally, I would put 5k down if speedvision would switch out Pinks for CCS races. God I hate that fucking show. 
"I don't know really. We've worked real hard. I'm going to slam the peddle down for 8 seconds and see what happens."

Anything but that ^^^^^^^

Thank god South Park's on at the same time. 
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: DEVINC on August 25, 2009, 11:20:29 PM
Quote from: Court Jester on August 25, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
Personally, I would put 5k down if speedvision would switch out Pinks for CCS races. God I hate that fucking show. 
"I don't know really. We've worked real hard. I'm going to slam the peddle down for 8 seconds and see what happens."

Anything but that ^^^^^^^

Thank god South Park's on at the same time. 

Haha. I could go for CCS over pinks... DEFINITELY. Henry Degouw does a nice job to getting the flyers out. I will say that I was kinda put out that i had to pay $40 gate fees for two just for sunday. (i was there for sunday only) i  thought it was 25 for two days and 15 for sunday. I mean ten bucks doesnt break the bank but i'm on a tight budget and $25 a piece for the weekend seems enough as it is then when gate prices are more than advertised i was kinda aggravated.  :blahblah:
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: roadracer162 on August 26, 2009, 07:55:13 AM
It is $30 for the weekend. $20 for Sunday. You must consider that $75 for a track day on Saturday is pretty inexpensive and $55 per race is a bargain too.

Mark
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: DEVINC on August 26, 2009, 08:33:54 AM
this is true. i agree. $75 track day on sat. is good deal. It was more that I was caught off guard because I had the wrong info. Florida region is still awesome though!
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: Ducmarc on August 26, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
lets see here its 6pm and I'll scroll through the o'l sat guide unique whips ,crap pimp my ride, same show crap,pass time somewhat crappie, the new American thunder,pretty crappie, pinks outtakes total crap, pass time again, wrecked(fail to see the speed in that), total crapola ( I'm in the truck business and this is shit) then loops back topimp my ride 3am finally get some real racing altough it's cars ihra nitro jam. years ago i upped my sat. plan just to get speed . now i don't watch it at all  VS sometimes , outdoor channel on gun night ( tonight) fuel  and sometimes mtv2 i think fuel gives us the best chance of someone listening. all these channels start looping after about 4 hours ( no material) i really think the type A male and female is longing for more but the powers that be don't get it so i stare at another rerun of top gear wishing i could complain about how bad my Italian launch control works.
Title: Re: How can we promote CCS racing??
Post by: tug296 on August 26, 2009, 10:56:11 PM
CCS Florida Region, best run in the Nation!