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Racing Discussion => Rules and Regs => Topic started by: funsizeracing on June 16, 2009, 10:36:09 AM

Title: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: funsizeracing on June 16, 2009, 10:36:09 AM
It looks like they took away the hp to weight ratio and only use weight now?  Did I read that correctly?
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: spyderchick on June 16, 2009, 10:57:43 AM
Curious. I don't see an HP requirement either.
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Super Dave on June 16, 2009, 07:15:11 PM
I thought it was just a change in the weights.  Rather than allowing no minumum in Thunderbike, it has a floor.
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Xian_13 on June 16, 2009, 07:53:40 PM
Section 7 has been deleted.

That WAS the rule pertaining to dyno testing.
I would assume that is an effort to save money?
Or hopefully open up competition.

Lastly.. this made my chuckle..
added prior to testing.
(1.) Twin cylinder machines up to 700cc are required to meet
       a weight limit of 470 lbs. (Tested weight of machine including rider    
       in leathers and boots during post race inspection.)

Looks like Ed Key needs some Cake.

XIII
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Super Dave on June 16, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
Quote from: Xian_13 on June 16, 2009, 07:53:40 PM
Section 7 has been deleted.

That WAS the rule pertaining to dyno testing.
So, how you're reading it, there is no HP limit now?
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Xian_13 on June 16, 2009, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on June 16, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
So, how you're reading it, there is no HP limit now?

That is exactly how I perceive the updated rule.
It states "Section 7 has been deleted."
The section was the HP limits.

XIII
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Ducmarc on June 16, 2009, 09:31:41 PM
so i need a 220lb bike since i weigh 250lb with gear or a 120 hobbit rider with a 350lb bike? what about everybody else who doesn't ride an SV?
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Burt Munro on June 17, 2009, 01:58:41 AM
Quote from: Xian_13 on June 16, 2009, 07:53:40 PM
Looks like Ed Key needs some Cake.


Ed's been working on a new bike.............

(http://thechive.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/crawl-outside-photo-photoshop-trick01.jpg)
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Super Dave on June 17, 2009, 05:35:43 AM
Quote from: Ducmarc on June 16, 2009, 09:31:41 PM
so i need a 220lb bike since i weigh 250lb with gear or a 120 hobbit rider with a 350lb bike? what about everybody else who doesn't ride an SV?
Well, you can now have 7,000HP, so, who cares?
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: funsizeracing on June 17, 2009, 10:20:37 AM
If I remember correctly me and the bike weighed in at 480something.   Where do you put 90 lbs on a bike?
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: spyderchick on June 17, 2009, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on June 17, 2009, 01:58:41 AM
Ed's been working on a new bike.............

(http://thechive.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/crawl-outside-photo-photoshop-trick01.jpg)

That information was TOP SECRET!

Traitor!
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: RoyHefner on June 17, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
Looks like you're going to need some cake, too, Becka.  LOTS of cake!    :biggrin:
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: HAWK on June 17, 2009, 12:30:39 PM
What are you riding this year Becka?
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: funsizeracing on June 17, 2009, 04:25:29 PM
1000DS.  I weighed more than I thought, so I only have to add 50 lbs.
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: George_Linhart on June 17, 2009, 05:29:48 PM
Becka - maybe they will let you and I weigh both of our bikes together and then take an average?

This rule change does suck  I really liked the concept of a limiting power to weight ratio to keep things fair.   In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't go crazy with the Titanium, Magnesium and Carbon Fiber - as it stands right now I should be comfortably over the minimum weight but not to a crazy amount.

I'll see you at Topeka!

George
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: 123user on June 17, 2009, 05:43:19 PM
Dammit!!!  I'll either have to add 10lbs to my 1000ds or start drinking more beer.
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Ducmarc on June 17, 2009, 10:35:49 PM
well at least now you don't have to buy all the tricky electronics with 5 differant maps so you can hide all that extra horsepower just need a little shot of that special stuff we used to keep in the back of the refrigerator.
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: funsizeracing on June 18, 2009, 10:50:08 AM
I guess I'll put myself and the bike on the scale to see exactly how much I'd have to add.   
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: ekraft84 on June 23, 2009, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: Ducmarc on June 17, 2009, 10:35:49 PM
well at least now you don't have to buy all the tricky electronics with 5 differant maps so you can hide all that extra horsepower just need a little shot of that special stuff we used to keep in the back of the refrigerator.

Is that what a lot of guys were doing?  Also, how were people adding weight?

I always found the hp and weight numbers interesting when reading the results in RRW - how the same bikes could vary by as much as 10-15 pounds.  I would figure much of that could be fuel, but who knows what else.

As for the dyno'ing - do you think it was a cost cutting measure?  Or removed because it was difficult to enforce?
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Super Dave on June 23, 2009, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: ekraft84 on June 23, 2009, 03:02:52 PM
Is that what a lot of guys were doing?  Also, how were people adding weight?

I always found the hp and weight numbers interesting when reading the results in RRW - how the same bikes could vary by as much as 10-15 pounds.  I would figure much of that could be fuel, but who knows what else.

As for the dyno'ing - do you think it was a cost cutting measure?  Or removed because it was difficult to enforce?
I assume that it was a cost to Factory Pro?  Enforcement is still a "problem".  I've heard stories of different maps.  Never had that much financial opportunity to do anything like that.  I guess it leaves some bikes pretty uncorked.  Kind of sucks for those that are on a budget (me), but with LWSB based machines being more of the norm vs LWSS bikes there is some sense to be made of opening the rules in an attempt to attract a few more entries.
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Gino230 on July 09, 2009, 01:24:56 AM
I think it was just too hard to enforce.

According to the dyno, my Duc 1000 DS was within a few HP of the BMWs at Daytona in '08, and they blasted past our whole little frieght train in Nascar 4 during Thunderbike qualifying....

Don't give me any BS about drives or rider weight, an extra 15 MPH when you're flat out in 6th only means one thing.......more HP or better aero, which I doubt the Beemers had.

I don't know much about the latest ECUs, but I do know that they all have multiple maps and switching between them can make a huge difference, and can be as easy as pushing the high beam or start switch a few times once the bike is running.

I liked the idea of the HP limits, but it's just too hard to enforce. At least now I'll have an excuse for coming in 10th......
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: skiandclimb on July 09, 2009, 09:02:04 PM
Ignorant as I seem to be- does this have any bearing on the CCS Thunderbike class, or is my 996 still banned?  lol

-ski
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: apriliaman on July 09, 2009, 10:33:05 PM
for 1000 air cooled and under it is 570lbs?  My bike is 419 full tank so it will be around 400 after the race.I about 165-170,havent checked yet with all my gear on so i would be real close to the lbs limit.
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: Ducmarc on July 10, 2009, 06:24:54 PM
i think your 996 is still illegal
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: skiandclimb on July 10, 2009, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: Ducmarc on July 10, 2009, 06:24:54 PM
i think your 996 is still illegal

LOL- of course it is.....you know, what with the amazing 112 HP and all.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Updated ASRA rules
Post by: roadracer162 on July 11, 2009, 06:27:58 AM
Quote from: skiandclimb on July 10, 2009, 08:20:51 PM
LOL- of course it is.....you know, what with the amazing 112 HP and all.  Oh well.

Then you are probably doing something wrong. Send it to Marc at European Performance Cycles and he will get you fixed up. I am witness to his 748 as a very strong runner, if only I knew how to ride it.

Mark