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Title: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Gixxerblade on November 22, 2008, 02:46:06 PM
Is it too early to ask? I know some other org's *cough*WERA*cough* have their schedule posted.  :pop:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: honda60071 on November 22, 2008, 02:59:03 PM
Check the web site, it's up!  No Daytona for mid atlantic?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on November 22, 2008, 03:03:10 PM
Quote from: honda60071 on November 22, 2008, 02:59:03 PM
Check the web site, it's up!  No Daytona for mid atlantic?
Thanks for the heads up!

Road America in the first weekend in May?  Um, I think there was ice on the track when that was tried last in 1995 or so.  Nice!

I see that Gateway is being by passed for HPT in the Midwest region.  And has TA/GP imploded?  Three regions represented in Mid-America, HRRS, and MCRA championships between two tracks, HPT and GIR. 
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: 2old2fat2slow on November 22, 2008, 03:34:18 PM
Whazzup with Daytona for MA??? Check out all the twin sprints. Looks like I need to start buying Grecian formula now.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: honda60071 on November 22, 2008, 03:51:35 PM
That is awesome for twin sprints, looks like i'll get to run more races this year, if the money is there of course. :boink:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: SVbadguy on November 22, 2008, 04:10:17 PM
I like the MA schedule.   Less weekends but not really less races.  I was planning on cutting back anyways.  Traveling is often one of the biggest expenses.  Good to see NJMP on there too.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on November 22, 2008, 05:14:54 PM
It's a pdf on the home page, right side. 
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: yetidave on November 22, 2008, 06:20:09 PM
Any truth to the rumor that we're racing Lightening and not Thunderbolt at NJMP?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: 2old2fat2slow on November 22, 2008, 07:40:28 PM
Quote from: yetidave on November 22, 2008, 06:20:09 PM
Any truth to the rumor that we're racing Lightening and not Thunderbolt at NJMP?
Does that mean I have to bring a Buell???
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: xb9racer on November 22, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
Championship
Apr 25 Heartland Park**
Apr 26 Heartland Park**
May 1-2 Rd America**
May 2-3 Rd America**
May 30-31 Blackhawk Farms
July 10-11 Heartland Park **
July 11-12 Heartland Park**
July 25-26 Blackhawk Farms
Aug 22-23 Blackhawk Farms
Sept 11-12-13 Mid-Ohio (AMA RRGC)
Sep 26-27 Blackhawk Farms*

Very disappointing. Seems to get crappier every year. Almost makes it not seem worth it.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: gearhead on November 22, 2008, 10:50:09 PM
Won't adding three more regions, HRRS, MCRA and Mid-America, thin fields even more?
I sure hope the Great Plains schedule shows up soon!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: PJ on November 22, 2008, 11:09:56 PM
Hmm. Anyonne else think it's ironic that the new Mid-America region doesn't run at Mid-America??

And with this schedule, it's hard to imagine the Great Plains region is going to continue. Anyone know anything about Dean's plans?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on November 23, 2008, 07:33:35 AM
Quote from: PJ on November 22, 2008, 11:09:56 PM
Hmm. Anyonne else think it's ironic that the new Mid-America region doesn't run at Mid-America??

And with this schedule, it's hard to imagine the Great Plains region is going to continue. Anyone know anything about Dean's plans?
Well, yeah, I kind of thought the same thing. 

Seems very illogical to drive out of region for two MW combined events at HPT at a 600 mile drive vs the 300 mile drive to Gateway.  I think BeaveRun is closer to Chicago than HPT.  I might understand the ASRA event, but after that...
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: xb9racer on November 23, 2008, 08:28:13 AM
Is it just getting that much more difficult to secure  the tracks for events? Or is it lack of effort?
Costs getting out of control? I know a lot, including myself, were looking for different tracks to be included in the MW region because Blackhawk was getting to be a little redundant, but something a little more IN the MW was what I had hoped for.
I know the schedule isn't "set in stone", but they say that every year and I've not seen it changed much after the initial posting. I guess if it stays this way, I will be running a very limited schedule this year. Maybe that's a good thing, as my Son wants to head up to the U.P a lot over the summer for some fly fishing for trout. I can deal with that I guess.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on November 23, 2008, 08:50:34 AM
Well, a bit of both.  Some tracks fall into disrepair or are just not attractive to some riders, regions. 

Rental costs change.  Insurance has probably gone through the roof because of the huge down turn in the markets.  It happened after all the stuff that started in May of 2001 and continued then through 9/11.

MW looks to only have eight event weekends, but eleven "rounds" of sprints.  Might help on the insurance side, and the big rentals for HPT, RA.

Still just don't get why Gateway isn't on the MW schedule.  I'll probably go though.  The MCRA folks are good people.  Always have been.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Tornado Bait on November 23, 2008, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: gearhead on November 22, 2008, 10:50:09 PM
Won't adding three more regions, HRRS, MCRA and Mid-America, thin fields even more?
I sure hope the Great Plains schedule shows up soon!
Looks like Mid America encompasses the HRRS and MCRA schedules completely.  Perhaps that will help with grid sizes as I'd expect a good amount of crossover in the region.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: gonecrazy on November 23, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
Yea dave I was under the impression that the gateway weekends was going to be double points with the midwest region. Atleast that what was discuse at the last board meeting.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on November 23, 2008, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: gonecrazy on November 23, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
Yea dave I was under the impression that the gateway weekends was going to be double points with the midwest region. Atleast that what was discuse at the last board meeting.
Well, I'd say the MCRA got screwed.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: CCS on November 23, 2008, 12:25:03 PM
Gateway's dates are not firm so they weren't included in the tentative schedule for Mid-West. There is still a chance one could be added after we see the Track Addix schedule. (Dean is working on the Great Plains Schedule, I do not know when it will be out.)

We have been trying to set the schedule since July, so it is not for lack of trying. Riders did not support Autobahn, Gingerman or Grattan when we tried to go there so why beat the proverbial dead horse. (The rental was more than Blackhawk with 50% to 60% of the turnout, a big loser anyway you look at it.)

Road America has the SCCA Runoffs this year, so we lost our July date. (They wanted us to run Mothers Day, but after the losses at BHF on that date, i respectfully declined. They then offered the date we got for 2009 only, at least that is what Gail told me.)

Summit Poiint took the May 2-3 date back to reserect the Jefferson 500 and did not have a date to replace it for us, that is why there is a Twin Sprint at Summit, to keep four races in the Summit Point Track Championship Series.

NJMP is on the Lightning Course, they had no dates that would work for us on Thunderbolt, and it is a Twin Sprint because the track rent is actually higher than Road America. All we're trying to do there is just break even at least, and by our projections, that is just what we'll do there. (Obviously the economy doesn't scare off too many racers or track day groups since they don't havemany weekends left.)

The number one request we got from Mid-Atlantic riders was to drop Daytona from that championship, so we are trying it for this season. If that disappoints you, you all need to write in ASAP before the schedule gets set.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: race712 on November 23, 2008, 12:31:29 PM
couple mid-atlantic inquiries -

Summit Point is listed as either "Summit Point Circuit" and "Summit Point" depending on the date.  Which makes me wonder - are all SP events on the main track or are we returning to the Shenandoah Circuit?

Is the NJMP event on the Thunderbolt or Lightning track?  And does it really include Friday?  

and just my opinion on all the twin sprint events - "two thumbs down"   Kind of forcing me to take a long look at what I'm willing to chase after in 2009.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on November 23, 2008, 12:31:59 PM
Quote from: CCS on November 23, 2008, 12:25:03 PM
We have been trying to set the schedule since July, so it is not for lack of trying. Riders did not support Autobahn, Gingerman or Grattan when we tried to go there so why beat the proverbial dead horse. (The rental was more than Blackhawk with 50% to 60% of the turnout, a big loser anyway you look at it.)

Road America has the SCCA Runoffs this year, so we lost our July date. (They wanted us to run Mothers Day, but after the losses at BHF on that date, i respectfully declined. They then offered the date we got for 2009 only. (Or so i was told.)
Thanks, Kevin.  I understand about Gingerman, Grattan, and Autobahn. 

As for Road America...puts it into context.  HPT's decision to not host the run offs is our loss at Road America...LOL! 
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: gonecrazy on November 23, 2008, 01:01:59 PM
Kevin, the date we had is june 6-7 and aug 15-16 at gateway so I think there might be a type-o there.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: CCS on November 23, 2008, 01:15:11 PM
See
Quote from: gonecrazy on November 23, 2008, 01:01:59 PM
Kevin, the date we had is June 6-7 and Aug 15-16 at gateway so I think there might be a type-o there.

See, that is why dates are tentative....LOL Please get some one to send me the real dates so i can correct them.

Quote from: race712 on November 23, 2008, 12:31:29 PM
couple mid-atlantic inquiries -

Summit Point is listed as either "Summit Point Circuit" and "Summit Point" depending on the date.  Which makes me wonder - are all SP events on the main track or are we returning to the Shenandoah Circuit?

Is the NJMP event on the Thunderbolt or Lightning track?  And does it really include Friday?  


Summit Point means Summit Point Main Circuit. We will not be returning to the Shenandoah Circuit, both the track and CCS lost enough money there trying to run races so we agreed to let that track be used for training and track days.

NJMP's Friday is practice, it is the Lightning Course...Thunderbolt was booked on the dates that would work for us.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: gonecrazy on November 23, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
They are Kevin, it was already brought up on our board. I am excited about the mid america series although I will have to still try and make road america
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on November 23, 2008, 02:45:22 PM
Quote from: CCS on November 23, 2008, 12:25:03 PM
The number one request we got from Mid-Atlantic riders was to drop Daytona from that championship, so we are trying it for this season. If that disappoints you, you all need to write in ASAP before the schedule gets set.
Speading of Daytona in Spring, it's listed as only being two days:  February 28, March 1.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: CCS on November 23, 2008, 03:05:04 PM
No, Daytona is Feb 26-27-28 & Mar 1...sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on November 23, 2008, 03:18:22 PM
Quote from: CCS on November 23, 2008, 03:05:04 PM
No, Daytona is Feb 26-27-28 & Mar 1...sorry for the confusion.
Thanks, Kevin.  I thought you should have said, "That's why the schedule is tentative..."   LOL!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: eh427 on November 23, 2008, 04:47:23 PM
I liked having Daytona as part of the mid atlantic schedule. It was a race to go to in the middle of winter after waiting 4 long months without doing any racing. I can still go down and race, but don't know if I will because the points don't count for my region. I think the turnout might be a bit less also because alot of other racers in the mid atlantic region might feel the same way. What are anybody elses thoughts?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Gixxerblade on November 23, 2008, 05:07:08 PM
I think Daytona is real expensive and I can do two to three races for the price of one Daytona. Those are my thoughts.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: LongDogRacing on November 23, 2008, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: eh427 on November 23, 2008, 04:47:23 PM
I think the turnout might be a bit less also because alot of other racers in the mid atlantic region might feel the same way. What are anybody elses thoughts?

i never quite understood that.  i would think that Florida would always have a wealth of riders/racers who would fill up a venue like Daytona.  i had to go to Daytona this past season (for the MA region) and hated every minute of it.  it took it's toll on me mentally (because of all the stresses associated with it) as well as the hit on my wallet.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Cowboy 6 on November 23, 2008, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: CCS on November 23, 2008, 12:25:03 PM


The number one request we got from Mid-Atlantic riders was to drop Daytona from that championship, so we are trying it for this season. If that disappoints you, you all need to write in ASAP before the schedule gets set.

Excellent decision.


Quote from: eh427 on November 23, 2008, 04:47:23 PM
I liked having Daytona as part of the mid atlantic schedule. It was a race to go to in the middle of winter after waiting 4 long months without doing any racing. I can still go down and race, but don't know if I will because the points don't count for my region. I think the turnout might be a bit less also because alot of other racers in the mid atlantic region might feel the same way. What are anybody elses thoughts?
No one is stopping you from going to Daytona to race. It is just too costly and not relevant to a Mid-Atlantic series. I have to agree with others here stating that we can run almost three weekends for the same money. Not to mention the saved vacation days just to drive 19 hours each way...
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: bel-biv on November 23, 2008, 09:07:01 PM
No Daytona for Mid-Atlantic = Great call.
I was planning on skipping that round and am happy to know that I won't take a big hit in points for doing so.
There is nothing about Florida that has any relevance to the "Mid-Atlantic"
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Chris G. on November 24, 2008, 12:03:25 PM
Could someone please email or post the MA schedule- I can not for the life of me get it to open- Adobe updates, or not.

Thank you

cgorel@gmail.com
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Cowboy 6 on November 24, 2008, 12:20:54 PM
18-19 APR               Carolina MP             Twin Sprints
23-25 MAY               Summit Point
20-21 JUN                VIR
4-5 JUL                    Summit Point          Twin Sprints
24-26 JUL                Lightning/NJMP        Twin Sprints
15-16 AUG               Barber                    Twin Sprints
28-30 AUG               Summit Point
19-20 SEP                VIR                         Double Points
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Chris G. on November 24, 2008, 11:30:42 PM
Props Cowboy- and also to Mrs. Elliot who emailed- thank you!

:thumb:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: R1Racer99 on November 25, 2008, 06:20:22 PM
I know the Trackaddix series schedule is always late but does anyone have an idea when that will come out?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Burt Munro on November 25, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
Keep checking the website for MAM and Hastings and see if they have any updates.  Dates for any other combined races are already set.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Tornado Bait on December 03, 2008, 11:12:23 AM
Looks like TrackAddix GP region is officially out for 2009.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: wolf44 on December 03, 2008, 11:15:18 AM
just got the email...too bad...I always loved running at deans events
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: backMARKr on December 03, 2008, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: Tornado Bait on December 03, 2008, 11:12:23 AM
Looks like TrackAddix GP region is officially out for 2009.


Not a big shock....
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: gpz11 on December 03, 2008, 12:34:07 PM
So do have any idea when the schedule is going to be final?

I also noticed that the online schedule shows the Carolina MP TC as being double points but the actual mailer doesn't have it as double points. Which one is correct?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: CCS on December 03, 2008, 12:58:11 PM
Official Schedule should be up by next Wednesday. There may be some small changes, hoping to get it solid by then.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: kl3640 on December 03, 2008, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: LongDogRacing on November 23, 2008, 05:17:57 PM
i never quite understood that.  i would think that Florida would always have a wealth of riders/racers who would fill up a venue like Daytona.  i had to go to Daytona this past season (for the MA region) and hated every minute of it.  it took it's toll on me mentally (because of all the stresses associated with it) as well as the hit on my wallet.

There are a lot of riders in Florida, but we have always been just a subset of the riders who show up at Daytona for the kickoff or for the RoC.  If it was Florida only, it wouldn't be nearly as large as with the other regions having incentive to go.  Also, I surmise that Daytona is a very expensive venue (for the promoters, not only the riders), so I doubt that the usual FL event turnout would be sufficient to make the event worthwhile for the sanctioning body...but I'm just speculating on that, I of course don't know any actual figures.  Still, there's probably a reason that it's not on the CCS FL calendar separate from the nationally organized bi-annual events.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on December 03, 2008, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: kl3640 on December 03, 2008, 12:59:45 PM
Also, I surmise that Daytona is a very expensive venue (for the promoters, not only the riders)...
Very expensive is an understatement for CCS.  Incredible to massive might be better terms.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: vnvbandit on December 03, 2008, 02:29:54 PM
I don't know if the attendance from Florida and the South East Regions are enough to support this event.
Could this be the beginning of the end for CCS at Daytona?? 
I hope NOT!!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on December 03, 2008, 04:34:17 PM
Well, the AMA structure is more around something more reasonable.  AMA riders from all over use the CCS event to set up.  It was in my career yet in racing at Daytona that we'd have practice and races with Mike Hale, Eddie Lawson, Ru$$ell, etc.  It's an expensive but unique venture in motorcycle racing.  Some will hate it, but it is what it is.  I have a lot of very cool memories from the place. 
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Cowboy 6 on December 03, 2008, 05:03:16 PM
You will
Quote from: vnvbandit on December 03, 2008, 02:29:54 PM
I don't know if the attendance from Florida and the South East Regions are enough to support this event.
Could this be the beginning of the end for CCS at Daytona?? 
I hope NOT!!

You can still go to the ROC in October!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: R6Chick on December 03, 2008, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: Tornado Bait on December 03, 2008, 11:12:23 AM
Looks like TrackAddix GP region is officially out for 2009.

I think its a really sad loss for us. I really enjoyed the race weekends with Dean & Kim's crew.
So there's plenty of races picked up at Heartland Park but with TrackAddix out is anyone picking up races at Hastings or MAM????
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: xb9racer on December 03, 2008, 09:48:46 PM
the  more I look at the MW season, the more it blows.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: ton on December 04, 2008, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: xb9racer on December 03, 2008, 09:48:46 PM
the  more I look at the MW season, the more it blows.

how so?  i'm new in the region.  how is it better or worse from last year?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: xb9racer on December 04, 2008, 09:03:02 PM
seems to me to be spaced out rather strange. R.A in May? I'll pass. I know CCS can only do so much. Just seems goofy to me.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: backMARKr on December 04, 2008, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: xb9racer on December 04, 2008, 09:03:02 PM
R.A in May? I'll pass. I know CCS can only do so much. Just seems goofy to me.

beats the hell out of Road A in April :thumb:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: kl3640 on December 04, 2008, 09:35:13 PM
Quote from: xb9racer on December 04, 2008, 09:03:02 PM
seems to me to be spaced out rather strange. R.A in May? I'll pass. I know CCS can only do so much. Just seems goofy to me.

I'm not from that part of the country and I've only been to Road America once, over 4th of July this past year, but wouldn't the weather be questionable a full two months earlier?  Over the 4th of July the nights got chilly pretty quickly once the Sun started to set, and the days were pretty long at that point.  The mornings didn't warm up immediately either.  At Topeka this past year, which was around the same time, the weather was downright miserable - 50's and rain; and I would think that the climate in KS is much more temperate than in WI, especially that area in particular, which is a little bit further North in the state and where there is a little bit of elevation and a lake nearby.

Again, I'm not from that area, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me to be a little risky, weather-wise.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: backMARKr on December 04, 2008, 09:43:25 PM
Truly not trying to stir the pot here...BUT

show me any region that doesn't have the possibility of weather that can thoroughly screw up a race weekend at some point in the season.

(1) Hurricane's in the SE and Mid Atlantic
(2) Tornadoes in the Great Plains
(3) YES --- cold and snow and ice in the upper Midwest and NE and NW in late spring
(4) Extreme heat out in the Southwest

I am sure there are other examples....but if what the weather MIGHT DO becomes our barometer (no pun intended ::)) as to whether the schedule sucks or not.....well...might be time for all of us  to buy a Playstation and throw in the towel.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: HAWK on December 04, 2008, 09:52:44 PM
RA was raced many years in April so it can and will work. My concern is back to back weekends between HPT and RA. With the number of MW riders that were unwilling to drive to Michigan how does CCS expect to get a decent turnout at either of these events. After traveling to Heartland Park who has the time or money to get to RA in 4 days (assuming you don't want to run practice) not to mention that both are twin sprints.

Too much for me in a week and a half.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Burt Munro on December 04, 2008, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: backMARKr on December 04, 2008, 09:43:25 PM
 
....but if what the weather MIGHT DO becomes our barometer (no pun intended ::)) as to whether the schedule sucks or not.....well...might be time for all of us  to buy a Playstation and throw in the towel.

Uh Mark......  isn't that almost exactly what you just did?   :kicknuts:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: backMARKr on December 04, 2008, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: Burt Munro on December 04, 2008, 09:54:01 PM
Uh Mark......  isn't that almost exactly what you just did?   :kicknuts:


I bought the Playstation to get through winter :biggrin:... not throwin in the towel :thumb:

I would go racing in March at RA or Blackhawk or Gateway or HPT or where ever if I could or die trying to get there....

I just am just glad to get to go racing at all...not gonna spend my time moaning :blahblah: about stuff that is out of my control.

I have to agree with the guy who posted the  "Christmas Special" thread, with everything that is bad in the world right now and so many truly suffering, if we are talking about going racing and planning schedule to actually go....oughta just be happy there is ANY schedule to do ....period.

let the discussion continue....MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Burt Munro on December 04, 2008, 10:17:27 PM
In case anyone hadn't noticed (thanks for pointing it out Mark!) it appears this schedule is aways away from being set in stone.

Revision date 12/2/08 had at least one significant  change in the Midwest.

Gateway June date is now the 6th and 7th (same weekend as AMA at Road America) and is now listed as part of the Midwest schedule.

So for me personally, I'll have Topeka and Road America back to back weekends in April/May, 2 weekends off and then 3 weekends back to back to back - Topeka May 23/24, Blackhawk May 30/31 and Gateway Jun 6/7. 

Not complaining mind you......  but maybe it's time to get rid of the Boxer Cup Replika and get something more touring friendly!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: r1owner on December 04, 2008, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: Burt Munro on December 04, 2008, 10:17:27 PM


Not complaining mind you......  but maybe it's time to get rid of the Boxer Cup Replika and get something more touring friendly!

Wanna buy my R6... it's got a few scratches, but that's ,only from falling over in the garage...
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Burt Munro on December 04, 2008, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: r1owner on December 04, 2008, 10:22:38 PM
Wanna buy my R6... it's got a few scratches, but that's ,only from falling over in the garage...
Not exactly the direction I was thinking...... but thanks for the offer Scott!!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Burt Munro on December 04, 2008, 10:37:20 PM
And for the record, as Vas pointed out, Road America the 1st weekend in May could be a bit of an adventure. 

I didn't think they started taking down snow fence in Wisconsin until June. :thumb:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Scotty Ryan on December 05, 2008, 01:50:16 AM
Not sure if it was 05' or 06' But I remember trying to wrap myself around my rear tire warmer so that I could try to heat myself up before I went out for ASRA qualifying - Got out onto the track and it was snowing - Not alot - But it was snowing..... The Billy Mitchel bridge was TONS of fun....
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: SnacktimeKC on December 05, 2008, 02:46:25 AM
Quote from: Scotty Ryan on December 05, 2008, 01:50:16 AM
Not sure if it was 05' or 06' But I remember trying to wrap myself around my rear tire warmer so that I could try to heat myself up before I went out for ASRA qualifying - Got out onto the track and it was snowing - Not alot - But it was snowing..... The Billy Mitchel bridge was TONS of fun....

It was '05, my fist race weekend. I put my gloves on my warmers and stayed in the car with the heat full blast. -Snack
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on December 05, 2008, 07:20:11 AM
Quote from: SnacktimeKC on December 05, 2008, 02:46:25 AM
It was '05, my fist race weekend. I put my gloves on my warmers and stayed in the car with the heat full blast. -Snack
The FIST.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: kl3640 on December 05, 2008, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: backMARKr on December 04, 2008, 09:43:25 PM
Truly not trying to stir the pot here...BUT

show me any region that doesn't have the possibility of weather that can thoroughly screw up a race weekend at some point in the season.


You said it...we all know that weather forecasting is far, far from accurate, but trends for different times of the year are generally pretty good.  Sure, there were times in the NE when we've had a week of 60F days in Feb, and other times in South FL where the nights have been in the 40's for several days...but generally speaking, you can predict about what will happen during a certain time of year.  We race through hurricane season here in FL and in fact, one weekend this past August at Homestead, we raced through Hurricane Gustav.

Again, I'm not from Wisconsin, and I've been camping there all of once and racing there all of once, but judging by the feeling of the nights and mornings there in early July, I would think that a full 8 weeks earlier would be a bit riskier than any other normal race weekend.  Also, someone else mentioned turnout at Topeka.  Turnout at Topeka this year during the Spring ASRA weekend was pretty dismal (in fact, I recall there being a thread about it here).  I'm not sure if it was the miserable weather that weekend, competing events, a tight schedule, or what, but as someone else pointed out a few posts back, if that weekend and RA are now back-to-back, that might affect turnout even more, especially if the weather isn't looking good for one of the weekends.

BTW, on a completely separate note, since there seem to be a lot of mid-Westerners here on this thread, let me once again say how great you all were this season.  I did 3 or 4 events in the MW this year as part of ASRA TC, and you guys really made us out-of-towners feel right at home.  I never had any trouble finding someone who was willing help out with the pit crew, provide advice, offer help, etc.  That includes at Topeka when my bike wouldn't start at 3rd call due to a drained battery and a couple of guys helped push start me so that I barely made the 5 min board!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on December 05, 2008, 10:05:54 AM
All the actual numbers for Topeka were that it was up in CCS/ASRA classes vs 2007.  I had some inside info on that.  I think it was 800+ entries?  Maybe some more?  But with everyone hiding inside garages, it never looked full. 

With it being 2F this AM here, 90 miles from Road America, it's cold.  Being from the plains of Nebraska, they don't get much more snow here in Wisconsin, it doesn't really get colder, but this is what I have seen from my years of being here.  It doesn't get as hot or as humid as Nebraska does, and there is no Spring.  It's late-winter through May if not sometimes June.  I understand that CCS got the short end of the stick with scheduling, but April and May here are not my favorites for trying to decide if I'm gonna have to blow money running rain tires in the dry.

I'm going to try and remain optimistic about it until we get closer though. 


Oh, and it was nice meeting you!   :cheers:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: SV88 on December 05, 2008, 12:07:13 PM
I'd be leaning to Topeka if I wasn't planning to put the house up for sale @ the beg. of May because it's a better track for the UL, LW and MW that I'll be running compared to RA.  RA is closer and will have a TC so I'll probably pop up there for a day. 
Like Mark said - why complain/worry about things we cannot control.  The back to back weekends of RA & Topeka are tough.  I would suggest that CCS go away from the twin sprints @ RA.  It's relatively close to the Cheeseheads and FIBs (& even the stray Canuck) so attendance should not be a problem.
Topeka had miserable weather last year but a bunch of us got together, rented a garage, ran a TC and made the best of it - it was good fun!!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: El Guapo on December 06, 2008, 11:54:50 AM
Road America has the SCCA Runoffs this year, so we lost our July date. (They wanted us to run Mothers Day, but after the losses at BHF on that date, i respectfully declined. They then offered the date we got for 2009 only, at least that is what Gail told me.)

Both Road America and SCCA 2009 schedules show June Sprints at RA June 18-21 and National Run-offs September 24-27.  RA's 2009 schedule appears open for three weekends between June 21 and July 16, so why on earth can't CCS fit into the usual July 3-5 weekend right in the middle?  Please tell me we didn't actually get punted to early May because of some Skip Barber school or Chicago Ferrari dealership event!  Is there money involved?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Scotty Ryan on December 06, 2008, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: El Guapo on December 06, 2008, 11:54:50 AM
Road America has the SCCA Runoffs this year, so we lost our July date. (They wanted us to run Mothers Day, but after the losses at BHF on that date, i respectfully declined. They then offered the date we got for 2009 only, at least that is what Gail told me.)


Both Road America and SCCA 2009 schedules show June Sprints at RA June 18-21 and National Run-offs September 24-27.  RA's 2009 schedule appears open for three weekends between June 21 and July 16, so why on earth can't CCS fit into the usual July 3-5 weekend right in the middle?  Please tell me we didn't actually get punted to early May because of some Skip Barber school or Chicago Ferrari dealership event!  Is there money involved?

I am assuming that there are many things involved - Usually racing comes down to politics

Please don't misconstrue this - As I can't speak for CCS or Kevin Elliot - Just my observation over my time racing.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: SV88 on December 07, 2008, 05:22:49 AM
We can complain about the CCS MW schedule but at least we are not in the GP region...

Ran the new R6 @ Oak Hill yesterday (1.8 miles, very tech. track) - had the whole track to ourselves - the guy I drove up with.  Amazing - that factory motor pulls from 6K to red line - nothing like the stock 04 I had.  Now I've got to learn to ride the beast and get into much better shape!!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: 123user on December 07, 2008, 10:25:12 AM
Except for going to Gateway, I think the new schedule is great!  Especially for people that don't live in the greater Chicago region.  Mid-Ohio will be on my calender for sure.  Running RA in April is OK too.  If its snowing, raining, or perfectly dry and warm... its still racing!  The only people I feel bad for in bad weather are the corner workers.

The only real weather related complaint should be directed at the decision to return to GIR.  Warm or cold... Gateway is a bowl that fills up with water and takes 3 days to drain.

Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on December 07, 2008, 11:22:51 AM
Temperatures for Road America:

May 1 - Avg. temp's --> 61°F / 40°F           Record temp's --> 88°F (1952) / 23°F (1978)
May 2 - Avg. temp's --> 61°F / 40°F           Record temp's --> 90°F (1959) / 22°F (1966)
May 3 - Avg. temp's --> 62°F / 41°F           Record temp's --> 89°F (1959) / 26°F (2004)
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on December 07, 2008, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: GSXR RACER MIKE on December 07, 2008, 11:22:51 AM
Temperatures for Road America:
In 2008

May 1 - 44/29
May 2 - 57/40
May 3 - 46/34

Just bring lots of clothes. 


As for Gateway and three days for drainage?  Does MAM ever drain?  I always looked for the lake front property.  LOL!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: 123user on December 07, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
Yes, MAM is a swamp... however, not surrounded by walls.  The wet part doesn't bother me, the sliding in the wet while staring at a wall or stack of tires does.  Besides, who heck wants to ride around a track counter-backwards? 

Here's a good conspiracy theory. Its probably some conspiracy cooked up by Buell- they want it cool to keep cyl. head temps down at RA.  Ya! Its all buell's fault.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: gearhead on December 07, 2008, 02:27:33 PM
Why do you suppose both MAM and Hastings have been eliminated from Mid-West and Mid-America's schedules?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Burt Munro on December 07, 2008, 08:33:30 PM
Quote from: GSXR RACER MIKE on December 07, 2008, 11:22:51 AM
Temperatures for Road America:

May 1 - Avg. temp's --> 61°F / 40°F           Record temp's --> 88°F (1952) / 23°F (1978)
May 2 - Avg. temp's --> 61°F / 40°F           Record temp's --> 90°F (1959) / 22°F (1966)
May 3 - Avg. temp's --> 62°F / 41°F           Record temp's --> 89°F (1959) / 26°F (2004)

Notice the trend???   Global Cooling!!!
No record highs since the 1950's and all the cold records have occured since 1966. 

The ICE AGE is upon us!!!  :lmao:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Cowboy 6 on December 07, 2008, 09:30:02 PM
Quote from: Burt Munro on December 07, 2008, 08:33:30 PM
Notice the trend???   Global Cooling!!!
No record highs since the 1950's and all the cold records have occured since 1966. 

The ICE AGE is upon us!!!  :lmao:

Yep, Al Gore is right, global warming....
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: R1Racer99 on December 08, 2008, 06:48:58 PM
So this might be a dumb question but is there not going to be racing at MAM and Hastings this year? I hope that's not the case.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Greg_Williams on December 08, 2008, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: R1Racer99 on December 08, 2008, 06:48:58 PM
So this might be a dumb question but is there not going to be racing at MAM and Hastings this year? I hope that's not the case.

That's the way it looks.  CRA will probably race at Hastings.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Jason748 on December 08, 2008, 10:56:05 PM
CRA... Not this year - and I can't see them ever running there.  I'm guessing you mean the CMRA?
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: wirehairs2 on December 08, 2008, 11:15:11 PM
MRA will race one race at Hastings this year.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Greg_Williams on December 09, 2008, 06:19:45 AM
Quote from: wirehairs2 on December 08, 2008, 11:15:11 PM
MRA will race one race at Hastings this year.

Sorry, meant MRA.  CRA seems to now be a one track org. 
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: SV88 on December 09, 2008, 09:49:40 AM
The farthest north CMRA goes is Hallett.  All of the other races are in the Dallas area.  Unfortunately, MSR Houston has been dropped for cost reasons and the surface is bad - another Autobahn story... 

Ran Oak Hill on the new R6 on Sat. with one SV guy - we had the track to ourselves.  Which was good and bad ... we couldn't ride real aggressively since there were no ambulances/corner workers but on the other hand we could go out when and how much we wanted.  It's a very tight, technical track with constant elevation changes - a total blast and safer than BHF other than you are miles from good med. care.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: wolf44 on December 10, 2008, 06:44:49 AM
I love Oak Hill.  I did a couple endurance races there on a mini.  I don't see how some of those guys get around there as well as they do on the 1000's
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Tornado Bait on December 10, 2008, 04:17:33 PM
Ok, now I'm confused.  GP 2009 schedule posted

http://ccsracing.us/forms/2009/misc/2009%20asra%20ccs%20schedule.pdf
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: tstruyk on December 10, 2008, 04:39:25 PM
that heart of america region... or whatever it was called is now called the GP region... which is basically the MCRA and HRRS combined... plus RA...  :thumb:


:err:


I think...


Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on December 10, 2008, 05:08:44 PM
Gateway has been moved to June 6-7?

In 2002, CCS scheduled Gateway the same weekend as the AMA Road America event, and it was a very poor turn out for Gateway. 
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on December 10, 2008, 05:12:57 PM
Quote from: tstruyk on December 10, 2008, 04:39:25 PM
that heart of america region... or whatever it was called is now called the GP region... which is basically the MCRA and HRRS combined... plus RA...  :thumb:


:err:


I think...
Looks like they have made GP yet another region that includes Road America. 
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: gonecrazy on December 11, 2008, 12:08:15 AM
the first schedule was only a quick draft, now as trackaddix left and more contract from the tracks are getting signed everything is becoming more permanant.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: cbusa on December 14, 2008, 09:28:27 AM
Is Roebling once again not going to be on the CCS Schedule this year? Last year it didn't make it due to scheduling conflicts, but I thought it would make it back this year. That's too bad there are some people like that place.

Is there any point of even keeping the SE region?

Thanks
Charlie
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: CCS on December 15, 2008, 05:40:55 PM
We gave Roebling 5 different dates that would work, and none of them were available or anything close. We will try again in 2010.

The Gateway event is hosted by MCRA and that was the one June weekend they could get.

As far as MAM, it is too late for us to change plans we already have in place, but we will look to schedule them in 2010 with Heartland, Gateway Road America and a possible event at Mid-Ohio with the AMA RRGC for the Great Plains Series.

Right now, like everyone else, we're just trying to make it through 2009.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to Y'all.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: MELK-MAN on December 16, 2008, 09:29:22 PM
i too was bummed that Robeling Road was not on the SE schedule, but maybe next year!! Good to hear ya made an effort. Some things just don't work out.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: danman67 on December 22, 2008, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: SV88 on December 09, 2008, 09:49:40 AM
The farthest north CMRA goes is Hallett.  All of the other races are in the Dallas area.  Unfortunately, MSR Houston has been dropped for cost reasons and the surface is bad - another Autobahn story... 

Really??? More CMRA whining about a track! NPR in Louisiana wasn't good enough for them and now MSR Houston!!! I figured they would wind up being a bunch of chumps yet again when I saw that it was not on the schedule.

Well...I guess if I am going to go racing, unless CCS South does something, I will be making a few road trips to the Eastside.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: SV88 on December 23, 2008, 12:12:29 AM
I think that the MSR Houston thing is partially justified however the fact that most Tx racers are from FW/Dallas area doesn't help.  Have not heard good things about NoProblem raceway - isn't it a drag strip back & forth with some turns @ one end?

The CMRA seems to have great competition - I'm not crazy about their schedule for sprint racing - not a lot of practice.  Heavy emphasis on big bike and mini endurance - Big bike endurance is a blast but come on, minis on tracks like TWS? - give me a break-would you ride a Ninja 250 @ Daytona or RA?

Yeah, the demise of CCS South is disapointing but not unexpected...
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: danman67 on December 30, 2008, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: SV88 on December 23, 2008, 12:12:29 AM
I think that the MSR Houston thing is partially justified however the fact that most Tx racers are from FW/Dallas area doesn't help.  Have not heard good things about NoProblem raceway - isn't it a drag strip back & forth with some turns @ one end?

The CMRA seems to have great competition - I'm not crazy about their schedule for sprint racing - not a lot of practice.  Heavy emphasis on big bike and mini endurance - Big bike endurance is a blast but come on, minis on tracks like TWS? - give me a break-would you ride a Ninja 250 @ Daytona or RA?

Yeah, the demise of CCS South is disapointing but not unexpected...

Back in the RPM/WERA days I really liked NPR, true that the main straight was the run off for the drag strip and the concrete retaining walls ran the length of it there was not as much of an issue that the whiners at CMRA made them out to be. The back section of the track was a blast, although it is a flat track the turns were technical and a lot of fun.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Mongo on December 30, 2008, 10:32:08 AM
My problem with NPR was the left hander that came back towards the front straight up by the tower, just not enough runoff there and if you did crash you could land on the straight.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Super Dave on December 30, 2008, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: Mongo on December 30, 2008, 10:32:08 AM
My problem with NPR was the left hander that came back towards the front straight up by the tower, just not enough runoff there and if you did crash you could land on the straight.
That was what was told to me by some local Wisconsin guys that went down there for some of those first festivals.  Sounded kind of scary.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: honda60071 on December 31, 2008, 09:40:38 AM
Some of the dates weren't matching up between the main schedule and when you clicked on that event. The individual schedule for that track was correct as far as matching the calendar. For you MA guys here's a little printable one.(Pre-Entry Deadline for all events is Friday, 2 weeks prior)      
Date                   Event                                   Regions
April 18-19   Carolina Motorsports Park **   MA SE TC

May 23-25   Summit Point Motorsports Park - Summit Point Cyclefest   MA

June 20-21   Virginia International Raceway - 9th Annual V.I.R.    MA SE TC

July 4-5                   Summit Point Motorsports Park - Main Circuit  **   MA

July 24-26   New Jersey Motorsports Park - Northeast Festival of Speed **   MA

Aug8-9                   Barber Motorsports Park - Barber Festival of Speed **   MA SE SO

Aug28-30    Summit Point Motorsports Park - Main Circuit - Summer Cyclefest   MA TC

Sept19-20   Virginia International Raceway - End of Summer Cyclefest   MA* SE* ASRA

Oct15-18     Daytona International Speedway - 26th Annual Race of Champions   ASRA TC

Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Andi on December 31, 2008, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: Mongo on December 30, 2008, 10:32:08 AM
My problem with NPR was the left hander that came back towards the front straight up by the tower, just not enough runoff there and if you did crash you could land on the straight.
That huge zit thing at the end of the front straight always had me worried. If you hit that thing you and your bike would be in a 1000 pieces upon landing.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Andi on December 31, 2008, 10:17:52 AM
Quote from: wolf44 on December 10, 2008, 06:44:49 AM
I love Oak Hill.  I did a couple endurance races there on a mini.  I don't see how some of those guys get around there as well as they do on the 1000's
+1. It's a fun track but to do it on a 1000....scary.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: smoke54 on January 01, 2009, 12:07:47 PM
the zit is gone at npr now.  couple guys launched off that.  there is a tire wall now to prevent coming back down the straight from turn 8.  we have 14 trackdays a year there, but the last racing was cmra a couple of years ago.  it is a fun track.  tigertrackdays.com has bought 10 sections of airfence for the turn 14 to the straight transition.  http://www.noproblemraceway.com/track_facts.htm#roadcourse
tim
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: ktd on January 02, 2009, 11:18:26 AM
..on all the convesation about Daytona and the MA.  I think the MA races should be in the MA region so travel is minimized.  Who knows where gas prices will be next summer or the following.  I'm thankful Daytona is gone and hope Barber is the next to go. 
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: bel-biv on January 02, 2009, 12:49:18 PM
i'm torn on that
i love the track (barber)
but there are no words for how much i hate the drive

it'd be great to add another njmp date in 2010
or add hi-rock to the schedule

still, its kinda funny how long this thread is
i just want to f-ing race
come on april and cmp!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Gixxerblade on January 03, 2009, 05:16:25 AM
Quote from: bel-biv on January 02, 2009, 12:49:18 PMi love the track (barber)
I know. We have all seen the video. :)
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: bel-biv on January 03, 2009, 04:10:46 PM
it was going so well
right up until it went so, so very bad


and who needs a toe anyway?
;)
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: yzl337 on January 04, 2009, 03:42:49 AM
Quote from: GixxerbladeI know. We have all seen the video. :)


BURN!   :lmao:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: bel-biv on January 04, 2009, 02:09:32 PM
Were you not entertained?

:biggrin:
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Rick Johnson 29 on January 04, 2009, 09:19:28 PM
What's the link for the video? Some us new guys haven't seen it.
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Gixxerblade on January 05, 2009, 05:20:54 AM
I want to say it is on YouTube somewhere but belbiv will have to give you the link. It looked real real bad. That's why we are laughing about it now. Could have been worse but he has such a thick skull that I don't think anything can crack that. :) j/k Steve. You know we love ya!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: bel-biv on January 05, 2009, 10:53:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaU1mFmrHM4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaU1mFmrHM4)

A less than enjoyable day at the races.......

And yes, I need to get into turn 6 deeper


Hey Craig and Steve -  :finger:
:biggrin:

Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Scotty Ryan on January 05, 2009, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: bel-biv on January 05, 2009, 10:53:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaU1mFmrHM4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaU1mFmrHM4)

A less than enjoyable day at the races.......

And yes, I need to get into turn 6 deeper


Hey Craig and Steve -  :finger:
:biggrin:



Well - It happens from time to time.... For some of us - More so then others....

I have had the bike step out on me a number of times in that exact same spot.... Gotta get the suspension working right for that track - Otherwise - There quite a few spots at Barber that can suck.....
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: yzl337 on January 06, 2009, 03:37:07 AM
Hey! you got wins this season while I floundered on lesser steps of the podium...I'll take my cheap shots when I get em  :biggrin:  Plus, I don't get to race anymore!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: Rick Johnson 29 on January 06, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
Thanks Steve hope you were not hurt too bad.I'm new to racing but did the two weekends at VIR in 08.I got 8th in GTO and ULSS on my 05R1.I was happy with those finishes bieng new to it.I also picked up a 05R6 which I raced some as well.Look foward to racing with you guys in some of the MA events.Come on April!
Title: Re: 2009 Schedule
Post by: bel-biv on January 06, 2009, 03:34:26 PM
I hear you with "Come on April" - can't get here fast enough
Good luck to you this year
I'm planning to be at every Mid-Atlantic event - see you out there
:cheers: