I propose CCS change the number plate requirements, specifically for the tail section of the motorcycle. Allow us to run just one number, across the top of the tail. Just like the AMA. WERA currently has this rule, but requires you to run your number on both sides of your lower. I think it would mak it a lot easier for those with very tight tail sections.
Thanks for reading
Try emailing CCS directly with your suggestion.
XIII
Additionally, go to the rulebook, read the rule, then write a new rule as it would be in the rulebook. Send that to CCS, and even try posting it here for support and additions to make it useable in CCS if is acceptable to them.
Is there a cut off date for rules proposals?? Sorry for not reasearching more before this post.
Mark
Usually, sooner rather than later is good. I don't know a particular cut off, but a lot of people are at Daytona to give input. So, I'd say ASAP.
Cutoff for rule proposals is quick approaching as many of the committees convene at Daytona.
In regard to a change to a single tail number plate. Don't see it happening; if for some reason the Corner Worker groups suddenly say "Oh yeah those work" rather than "We can't read those" which is what we heard at the first round last year when AMA adopted them and again the reports this year fully support they are not as visible as the two numbers on the tail for bike identification.
FYI front numbers are used by scoring and by CW to get a bike off course once a safety issue has been ID'd, the tail numbers are used to ID a bike that is having a problem.
As an announcer- from raised position, (usually on top of a trailer) seeing a single set of numbers on the tail is easier, especially if the the number is triple digit. When the bike is leaned into a corner it is easier to see if you are on the inside of the turn.
I personally like how Robert Jensen has is rear numbers located on the lower at the back (below his feet) in the pics of the Honda he rode at Laguna. I have not, however, done any research to see how many of the newer machines have this space to do so. The numbers in that location could not be read ( much like the tail numbers as the rule allows currently) by a corner worker standing on the inside of the turn (usually prefered for safety).
8x10 number plates (add on) are horrendously ugly and tend to stigmatize lots of racers.
Reading a plate from the side is somewhat important in an on track situation- yet I have seen savvy Race Control persons use the corner workers to thier advantage (ex: Station three sees blue smoke for bike A. Race control (or station 3 depending on protocol) asks station four to identify by front number plate bike A using phrases such as- "Need number on third bike to to you station four" or "Station four can you give my the number off the _____ colored bike with rider wearing ______ color helmet/leathers"
When a bike is on the ground, side plates mean nothing to a corner worker 50 feet away.
A solution is needed as number plate area is only getting smaller every year. Number sizing rules would needs to be changed too.
Experimenting with other background colors for plates may be helpful to keep the three plate rule in place. I know yellow and three digit black numbers can be hard to see on a bright sunny (most of ours) day. A different background color may make the black numbers (or maybe white) easier for all to read.
I realize it probably doesn't matter now, but in the event the bike can't effectively display the 3 traditional number plate locations I really like the 4 number plate/location situation (front nose, top of tail, and somewhere on each side of the lower). With that set-up it doesn't matter what position the bike is in while racing, a number is always visible. On top of that isn't CCS the one's who say the bike is supposed to look somewhat professional, I think that would look one hell of alot more professional than having to attach gaudy flat number plates! :thumb:
I just spoke with one of my customers, who I had provided with free passes to the races. I asked him how he liked it. His reply "too boring, he said he could not identify any of the bikes on the track, so did not see any reason to watch them, since he did not know which one I was. He also said that there was one bike with numbers on the side, the only bike that he was able to pick out of the crowd.
needless to say, I am putting numbers on the side of my bike now
didnt realize this was an old thread
kumi has always told me the numbers on the side of the fairing are the most visible. and the ones on the undertail
Quote from: ahastings on August 21, 2012, 05:45:39 PM
kumi has always told me the numbers on the side of the fairing are the most visible. and the ones on the undertail
The single numbers on the top with the numbers on the side fairings is the BEST WAY TO GO, IMHO; and undertail of course ;).
There are a lot of bikes with a single number plate on the top of the tail, myself included. On few bikes you can't have two side plate numbers on the back (R6, Daytona etc.). However, I like the idea of having a number plate on the lower fairing as well.
I say put it on the most visible places for your bike. If that means the top and side then do so before they make it mandatory. If they never have an issue with visualizing the numbers I don't think they will waste their time chasing after something that doesn't need fixing.
For me I want the fans to be able to identify me on my bike, and having the numbers easily identified gives me the result that I want. You never know it just may bring some sponsors my way. I am not the fastest guy and certainly not the best looking, but I have had several that come up to me in the paddock who saw me or at least my bike out on the track.
Quote from: majicMARKer on November 19, 2012, 10:18:42 AM
I say put it on the most visible places for your bike. If that means the top and side then do so before they make it mandatory. If they never have an issue with visualizing the numbers I don't think they will waste their time chasing after something that doesn't need fixing.
For me I want the fans to be able to identify me on my bike, and having the numbers easily identified gives me the result that I want. You never know it just may bring some sponsors my way. I am not the fastest guy and certainly not the best looking, but I have had several that come up to me in the paddock who saw me or at least my bike out on the track.
I wish we could just say "Put the numbers in the right spot for your particular bike". I also wish it could be standard from one sanctioning body to the next. The one common thing I've noticed is, each organization allows some wiggle room at tech if the bike or bodywork manufacturers make it hard to stick to the rule book.
I agree with you. What I am suggesting is that if we can show that our placement of numbers work then there won't be an argument as to why not. Some reasonable judgement should be utilized when making a decision on the clarity of the numbering. Let's say for example if the numbers are legible from XXX distance.
Can anyone tell me how I am able to fit a 10" x12" number plate on the front of my 2010 R1? Anyone racing one I'd love to see pics that comply.
Quote from: StormTrooper on April 19, 2013, 07:10:13 PM
Can anyone tell me how I am able to fit a 10" x12" number plate on the front of my 2010 R1? Anyone racing one I'd love to see pics that comply.
Seen some use the side of the front fairing above the "headlight duct" and use 4" numbers. You will have to switch sides depending on where the tower is at the tracks you run. Most just go up from the ducts into the windscreen. Alot of bikes dont have 10x12 plates.
Heres an idea.
Would not having a 10X12 get me disqualified?
Storm, no it doesn't even though the rule book may state that. They have used some reasonable thinking when it comes to this and if it is legible they have no problems.
Like what Mark said, they are pretty easy about things. Just make sure its readable and definable. Just think about how will it read to cornerworkers and bridge staff while going at speed.
Quote from: majicMARKer on April 20, 2013, 10:15:20 PM
Storm, no it doesn't even though the rule book may state that. They have used some reasonable thinking when it comes to this and if it is legible they have no problems.
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on April 21, 2013, 02:19:14 AM
Like what Mark said, they are pretty easy about things. Just make sure its readable and definable. Just think about how will it read to cornerworkers and bridge staff while going at speed.
Cool. Thanks Guys!!
Sorry if this was already answered, but even tho against the rules, would you be able to race with just one number plate on tail with numbers going from left side to right side?
Brendan, the politically correct answer would be NO, you would not be allowed to race because you wouldn't pass tech inspection. Now reality, there have been many bikes that don't meet the criteria or the rules but does pass tech because the competition number is legible. Keep in mind any and all opinions on this forum is not the authority or the ruling. I like the four number plate format. One on the front, one on the rear, and one on either side as long as your machine can do that. The older machines like my FZR 400 will easily comply with the rules and there is no need for the four plates. I prefer the four plates due to the fact that no matter what side the bike is on a number plate will be visible. If the machine is on track and mid corner it will not matter what direction it is being viewed from by a potential corner worker. On the inside the corner worker can view the tail number, and if the corner worker is on the outside the number plate on the side can be viewed.
Keep those things in mind and you can't go wrong.
I guess the question should have been has anyone passed tech with one number across tail. I know that i didn't meet number size criteria all last season. I also would think that one number across is fine and possibly more visible.
Like I mentioned earlier many have passed tech. The size of the number comes into play for visibility. The number on the top of the plate is difficult to see when the machine is completely vertical. at mid corner the tail number on the top is more visible from the side as long as you are on the inside of the corner. If the observer is on the other side(outside of the corner) then the top of the tail is not visible at mid corner.
I would also venture to say that most bikes with a problem(smoky or trailing fluids) is not identified as the bike is approaching, but more confirmed as the bike passes. This negates the ability of the corner worker to read the front number plate and the corner worker must rely on the various other number plates to identify the rider/machine.
Quote from: ahastings on August 21, 2012, 05:39:14 PM
Didn't realize this was an old thread.
The subject just won't die!
I know this is an old thread, but seeing as this rule has now been implemented and I have a question about the new rule.
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If the tail section profile does not allow the machine to comply with Section 5.3.5.B, a single number display on the top of the tail section may be installed and orientated to be read from the rear of the machine. If this configuration is chosen, the riders competition number must be also be displayed on each side of the lower fairing as to be visible by safety crew and officials. It is the rider's responsibility to have the number display correct before coming to Tech Inspection.
Do the numbers on the sides of the lower fairing need to be 4" or is as big as practical ok? in 2013 I ran numbers on my lower just because, they were 2" tall numbers, as seen here.
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Additionally it does not specify if there needs to be a number plate behind them, in other words white or yellow background. Is this required?
I would say you would need larger numbers. Imagine trying to see those little numbers while you are going by at 80+mph. Wouldn't be very easy.
Agreed. I don't see those numbers being very visible.
And I would say use the number plate colors also. Some combined ex/am may have 2 bikes with the same number.
Talked to someone at CCS on the phone, not sure exactly who, that said they should be 4" numbers on the sides, and as expected background color to match the class (am/Exp).