What ratio of water to waterwetter is best?
Bottle says 1 ounce (3-4 capfuls) per quart.
Quote from: dylanfan53 on September 07, 2008, 03:12:48 PM
Bottle says 1 ounce (3-4 capfuls) per quart.
Per quart of water.
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Whatcha got, Joel?
He's putting a radiator on his Buell. Everyone's doing it. Didn't you know about that mod? Get busy. We expect to see it completed by the next BHF. ::)
I thought we were filling the tires with water this week. :banghead:
Quote from: Super Dave on September 07, 2008, 10:29:40 PMI thought we were filling the tires with water this week. :banghead:
Actually filling them with Mercury is the HOT TICKET!!!!! :biggrin:
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OMG...
Where did you find that old picture of your first love?
What you don't see is that Freddie is wearing Dave's leather chaps!
When I used to run Water Wetter I had at least 2 knowledgeable engine builders tell me to use 2X the recommended amount... I know Mark Stiles uses 2X the amount..... I think it has something to do with reducing the effect that regular water has on the cylinder liners.....
Just be sure to fill with Distilled water. Tap water has metals, lime and other impurities that cause corrosion.
Quote from: Chit Nuts on September 08, 2008, 02:37:10 PM
When I used to run Water Wetter I had at least 2 knowledgeable engine builders tell me to use 2X the recommended amount... I know Mark Stiles uses 2X the amount..... I think it has something to do with reducing the effect that regular water has on the cylinder liners.....
+ 1, I normally just use a whole bottle per system flush. The less water running through the heads and thermo stat is a plus for me. On the bottle it says anything more than the recomended amount wont provide additional cooling, however like said the more you use the more it can treat the system. IMO.
Quote from: Noidly1 on September 08, 2008, 03:29:24 PM
Just be sure to fill with Distilled water. Tap water has metals, lime and other impurities that cause corrosion.
Most of the time yes, however, certain types of pure aluminum radiators will be damaged if you run distilled water.
What about De-ionized or Reverse-Ozmosis water?
Actually, I believe Ed Key had a problem using de-ionized water.
Water Wetter is known for making a brown sledge too. I don't understand why it does that, but it can happen.
Ultimately, Water Wetter is only a surfactant, something that lowers the surface tension of water. I have used Palmolive, yes, you're soaking in it, as a replacement for Water Wetter. Doesn't seem to become as brown.
Water, ultimately, is a problem.
Asking for a friend I am trying to get to do a trackday. Palmolive sounds like it would create pressures with suds. Who in the hell was the first guy to think "I'll just put some Palmolive in there"?
Quote from: Redbuell on September 09, 2008, 08:00:24 PM
Who in the hell was the first guy to think "I'll just put some Palmolive in there"?
:lmao: I always wonder the same thing. I think someone just wanted silky smooth hands. :lmao:
Never heard of it...
However, it's one way to keep your cooling system clean. :biggrin:
Why would you want to run any kind of water through an engine?
Seems like kind of a pain in the ass to me!
Right Don? Right Dave?
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Quote from: dylanfan53 on September 09, 2008, 08:07:15 PM
:lmao: I always wonder the same thing. I think someone just wanted silky smooth hands. :lmao:
As the story goes, Water Wetter had an application of being used in pumper trucks for fire work to reduce some lubrication and corrosion issues. But some firemen recognizing that sirfactants in diswashing detergents did the same thing tried it. I think I first did it in 2000 or 2001.
Quote from: Burt Munro on September 10, 2008, 02:27:10 AM
Why would you want to run any kind of water through an engine?
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Water cooling is just a fad.
If you have any chemistry friends they will tell you that Water Wetter is actually considered a soap, and soaps by nature lower surface tensions, and that is how they improve cooling. That is the very basic jist...
Anybody ever use the stuff called pro cool?
http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/Silkolene_ProCool_Coolant_Additive--609801.html
Good or bad??
Quote from: Super Dave on September 09, 2008, 07:56:13 AM
Actually, I believe Ed Key had a problem using de-ionized water.
Water Wetter is known for making a brown sledge too. I don't understand why it does that, but it can happen.
Ultimately, Water Wetter is only a surfactant, something that lowers the surface tension of water. I have used Palmolive, yes, you're soaking in it, as a replacement for Water Wetter. Doesn't seem to become as brown.
Water, ultimately, is a problem.
No cooling problems with DI water. What Ed's problem was is that he had a poor engine to chassis ground. When he switched to DI water (which is not electrically conductive) The engine quit. We think that part of the ground path was through the cooant.
De ionizing the water should make it basically inert. Adding water wetter decreases the surface tension of the water. This gives the water the ability to make better contact with the surface you want to cool. This will only help to a certain extent. The water wetter is essentially dish soap. Soap has less capacity to carry thermal energy than water. So, if you add too much water wetter the efficiency of your cooling system will be reduced. I do not know how much water wetter it would take to impact the cooling system negatively, but I would guess allot.
Quote from: cbr600_mj on September 11, 2008, 04:52:12 PM
Anybody ever use the stuff called pro cool?
http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/Silkolene_ProCool_Coolant_Additive--609801.html
Good or bad??
Works good. I do not know why this stuff is legal in a race bike. It is just as slippery as ethylene glycol. I have heard it cleans up better than regular antifreeze.
So I guess the new question is, "What's the correct ratio of Palmolive and water?"
I usually just did it in same ratio as water wetter's instructions plus a little more.
Quote from: DakotaCBR on September 12, 2008, 03:56:42 PM
So I guess the new question is, "What's the correct ratio of Palmolive and water?"
I am assuming by palmolive you mean water wetter. If so, follow the instructions on the water wetter bottle. The people that designed the product would know what the best ratio of wetter to water to get maximum performance. I think it says 3-4 capfulls per quart of water. I have used this ratio with no issues.
If you do mean Palmolive, then I would recommend that you add enough to get the full bubbly lather your radiator desires!!! (lol)
Guy, I do actually mean Palmolive. No smilies.
Quote from: Super Dave on September 12, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
Guy, I do actually mean Palmolive. No smilies.
How are you planning to pour this elixir into your big chunk of Milwaukee iron?
Check your owners manual. I think your about to use the wrong orifice. (LOL)
I am sure that Palmolive would work. It is not like water wetter is expensive, so just buy it. If your in a pinch Palmolive to your hearts content. Just make sure you dump it in the correct hole!!!!
I was just kidding.
I just buy a gallon of distilled water and add Water Wetter's recommended ratio directly into the gallon container. That way it's mixed before I put it into the radiator and I have it handy in case I need to add to the reservoir.
Quote from: DakotaCBR on September 12, 2008, 05:29:49 PM
I was just kidding.
I just buy a gallon of distilled water and add Water Wetter's recommended ratio directly into the gallon container. That way it's mixed before I put it into the radiator and I have it handy in case I need to add to the reservoir.
+1
Quote from: Redbuell on September 09, 2008, 08:00:24 PM
Asking for a friend I am trying to get to do a trackday. Palmolive sounds like it would create pressures with suds. Who in the hell was the first guy to think "I'll just put some Palmolive in there"?
it does. The fan wasn't working on my R6 and it was pissing soapy water on a hot day, looked like a dishwasher overflowing. lol.
I am new here. In fact this is my first post, and I am new to sportbike racing. I raced motocross to put myself through college then raced outlaw sprint cars. In both we usd water wetter. the sludge happens if it gets mixed with any antifreeze. De-ionizign does not remove the metals form the water, make sure you use the distilled stuff, and doubling the dose doesnt hurt, if anything it makes the water pump last longer.