So whats the deal with summit point?The track is coming up in turns 1,5,6,and 10.Its like a gravel pit.Lots of crashes this past weekend.Seems like a saftey issue to me.Hope its fixed by the 4th of july!
they sent a sweeper out twice on monday....it didnt really do much.. i would not race on that, unless they fix it. how? who knows. concrete again? maybe. but i wouldnt race with gravel all over the track and hole in 7
Have been advised by Summit Point personal that they have the track closed today and are using a type of epoxy ashalt repair material. I do not have any further details.
I hope that its not just sealer like they did last year.
Oh Boy !! Here we go.....
i wonder how its gonna hold after the 12 hour endurance race on friday
Why in these modern times can't someone come up with a track surface material that can stand up to the punishment of racing a lttle better than what they are using? It seems foolish to spend all that money to repave and have it come apart in such a short period of time. Or at least let the surface cure for a longer period of time before throwing vehicles back out on it.
The modern times can come up with a track surface that stands up.
Just don't expect Summit Point to use anyone with skills outside of paving driveways. It appears to me that they are not seeking the professional road race paving expertise and paving that they should be.
Its a damn shame. Resurface the entire track, dig it back up a couple of weeks later to take out the old concrete patches, resurface it again. Close it 6-7 months later to fix the "new" surface. One of these days they'll get it right...Maybe.
what 1 day isnt enough time for the track to cure (insert eye rolling emoticon here)
I roll my eyes when someone is surprised that their new paint job won't cure in one day.... These guys thought it was a good idea to run cars on who knows how think pavement within 24-36 hours?
I think their greediness to just use the track is causing some serious quality control issues.
There should not have been crashes due to gravel. I know there were no crashes in my turn 5 on Sunday. Several times throughout the day I had to sweep off gravel.
This is what it looked like at the end of the day.
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Sealant isn't a solution for the crappy loose gravel asphalt they used here. This is what happened with sealant on the track. Imagine what cars would do to it.
Guess I'll be running my supermoto if they don't fix it :-P
That is Nuts!
They better have it fixed before the 4th of July..
YAY!!!!
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on June 11, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Have been advised by Summit Point personal that they have the track closed today and are using a type of epoxy ashalt repair material. I do not have any further details.
are there any plans to inspect the track prior to the july event and possibly reschedule or cancel if the conditions are not favorable? those pics of the surface really dont surprise me, they do however make me not want to ride there.
SHENANDOAH!!! :biggrin:
.....just checked the schedule.... TPM is over there.... ::)
Shitty track surface or concrete walls, WOW what a toss-up! Don't know which I prefer.
uhhhhhhhhh.........
POCONO!!!!!!
sorry....just being a pain this morning.... :cheers:
but seriously...anyone in the Summit area that can get updates on the "patching"????
i got an idea. i've heard that concrete makes a pretty good patch surface. the best places to put it would be in turns 1, 5, and 6....
has anyone suggested this to the powers that be at Summit? :)
yes, insert sarcasm in my statement above...
Quote from: PJ721 on June 14, 2008, 11:13:26 AM
uhhhhhhhhh.........
POCONO!!!!!!
Don't mean to get off topic, but what's the word with Pocono anyway? How come nobody runs there? I've only ever ridden the East course and it wasn't that exciting, but the F-USA course looks interesting.
The only thing I've seen is that the closest hospital is quite a drive. Or is that the reason nobody races there anymore?
Just interested. I used to live 15 mins from there.
...a few years back at the mid-atlantic banquet we were talking with Kevin Elliott about Pocono...and at that time it was the cost involved to run it...seemed like they were loosing mega bucks each event there....
I don't know anything about the money, but the track surface and unspeakably shitty transitions make Summit look like VIR by comparison.
And don't forget the wall that is maybe 20 feet off of the apex as you enter the banked corner on the far side of the track
Pocono?
No thanks.
Lets get Summit right and look toward adding NJMSP for next year....
Pocono makes Datona look really safe IMO
Anybody get pics yet of the "fixed" surface?
Should I go on a fact finding mission? I wonder if they need cornerworkers for anything in the near future, or track broomers maybe?
I am going up there on Wed before heading to VIR.
I was at Shenandoah with Roger Lyle this morning and went over to check out the main course when I left at noon. The Porsche Club was there, and you see some of the corners where track wear was visibly noticed from a distance. Many of the cars coming in from the track had gravel stuff stuck to the rubber on the sides of the cars. I dunno if that stuff is normal or not though.
I know I'm probably getting worked up over nothing, but I'm less and less excited about missing July 4th weekend with Family to race at Summit.
So any chance of them digging up the new surface, leaving the old surface the way it was and laying down some new concrete....:o)
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on June 16, 2008, 10:28:03 AM
I am going up there on Wed before heading to VIR.
thanks Eric...we'll all be waiting for your thoughts and info..
Quote from: bel-biv on June 15, 2008, 10:42:22 PM
Lets get Summit right and look toward adding NJMSP for next year....
How about adding Beaver Run to the ticket?
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on June 16, 2008, 03:31:17 PM
How about adding Beaver Run to the ticket?
Not under the current restrictions which prohibt even stock exhaust machines from competition.
Due to sound limitations applicable to operations at BeaveRun, no vehicle will be permitted to operate with a sound level in excess of 95 dbA as measured at a distance of 50 feet from the vehicle under full throttle.The chance of a race event being stopped mid-event or riders fined for a regulation that our competitors cannot meet is not worth the risk of adding it to the schedule regardless of past history. If or when the noise ordinace is lifted/amended then we look at it as a viable race facilty.
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on June 16, 2008, 05:10:55 PM
Not under the current restrictions which prohibt even stock exhaust machines from competition.
Due to sound limitations applicable to operations at BeaveRun, no vehicle will be permitted to operate with a sound level in excess of 95 dbA as measured at a distance of 50 feet from the vehicle under full throttle.
OUCH! Thanks for the update/clarification.
The chance of a race event being stopped mid-event or riders fined for a regulation that our competitors cannot meet is not worth the risk of adding it to the schedule regardless of past history. If or when the noise ordinace is lifted/amended then we look at it as a viable race facilty.
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on June 16, 2008, 05:10:55 PM
Not under the current restrictions which prohibt even stock exhaust machines from competition.
Due to sound limitations applicable to operations at BeaveRun, no vehicle will be permitted to operate with a sound level in excess of 95 dbA as measured at a distance of 50 feet from the vehicle under full throttle.
The chance of a race event being stopped mid-event or riders fined for a regulation that our competitors cannot meet is not worth the risk of adding it to the schedule regardless of past history. If or when the noise ordinace is lifted/amended then we look at it as a viable race facilty.
Does'nt wera race there??
Quote from: gixster on June 17, 2008, 04:51:20 PM
Does'nt wera race there??
Yes, I think they race there on August 30-31.
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on June 16, 2008, 05:10:55 PM
Not under the current restrictions which prohibt even stock exhaust machines from competition.
Due to sound limitations applicable to operations at BeaveRun, no vehicle will be permitted to operate with a sound level in excess of 95 dbA as measured at a distance of 50 feet from the vehicle under full throttle.
The chance of a race event being stopped mid-event or riders fined for a regulation that our competitors cannot meet is not worth the risk of adding it to the schedule regardless of past history. If or when the noise ordinace is lifted/amended then we look at it as a viable race facilty.
You keep citing this as a reason for ccs not racing at Beaver, but the reality of the situation is that loud motorcycles race and ride there all the time, and no one is ever kicked off of the track for being too loud. WERA has been racing there since 2004 without any incidents of someone being kicked off of the track for being too loud. I have seen cars autocrossing there that are louder than any bike I have ever heard. Even louder than the ULGP bikes at Homestead.
This was all summit pavement on monday. I think 10-12 people went down monday alone. I know sunday had a number of people go down also. The heat coupled with the track conditions were terrible.
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Got a small vid of somebody going down between 6 and 7 on sunday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9DJpku7PY8
Will the race weekend still be held? Has Summit made an official statement on this? I checked the site and there is no mention of this.
I plan on running the weekend however, at this point I am hoping it is not cancelled.
Hopefully we will get some official word soon from someone we can trust.
I wish I was 8 hours away.
There is no discussion of canceling event.
Was unable to look at actual track surface today as the track was in use. Track is working on repairs and is looking at methods that will work within the time constraints that will minimize downtime and be the best long term solution. Concrete is an option but not preferred.
Thank you for the update Eric
Hey! Heres a novel idea, how about letting the blacktop cure before putting heavy cars out on it! I haven't been to the track since last year, but it sound to me that there was no cure time for the new surface. Just my 2 cents.
I heard some people got a letter that the event may be cancled...I didn't get anything. Is that true?
Quote from: Ant on June 21, 2008, 10:19:17 PM
I heard some people got a letter that the event may be cancled...I didn't get anything. Is that true?
Read the post from Eric about 3 posts up...
Quote from: LilJayRR on June 21, 2008, 11:48:04 PM
Read the post from Eric about 3 posts up...
I did which is why the news of someone getting a letter really surprised me. I'm assuming from your response you didn't get a letter either.
The event is not canceled, or even been discussed as canceled.
edit there is no letter regarding this event that has gone out as there is/was no reason for a letter to go out discussing status of event.
Information on CCS website (http://www.ccsracing.us) is the proper place for full facts regarding events
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on June 22, 2008, 08:30:18 AM
The event is not canceled, or even been discussed as canceled.
Ok, great, thanks, I appreciate that!
Any updates on the track condition???
Yeah lots of sealer, from 5 through 9. :jerkoff:
I just wonder how it is after this weekends Hyperfest car event. They were doing drift racing through the carrousel from turn 5 to 9. I'm sure that was great for the pavement!!
Porbably laid a lot of rubber down for us. LOL
Any other news on how the track looks for this wekend?
Geoff Doyer posted this on the WERA board
"They used an epoxy patching material that the scca boys say has fantastic grip. There are still ripples but supposedly they are able to get rid of these. Some additional repairs were expected to be made tonight but they were unable to complete them due to weather. The epoxy has a 4 hour cure time. They may be doing some work thursday night after the rog lyle day. They did not lay any sealer contrary to the BS spewed on BBSs across the land "
I'm not running either of the track days, but I'll see you up there for the races Saturday and Sunday
Could we perhaps get someone that is running one of those days to give us an update? Not that it would change my plans for the weekend though.
I am waiting for an update after Thursday, but eveidently they're doing more work to try and smooth out 5 (speculation garnered from Geoff 's post) AFTER thursday, with the epoxy stuff that only takes 4 hours to cure.
Who knows man, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that it won't look like it did when WERA raced there in June.
can only imagine what will happen if rains 40% scattered last report I saw, But who cares lets race!!!!!!!!
well lets hope we can race here next year
Thunderbolt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowVG...eature=related
you have a malformed video id, Now weather is 60% on Sat.
Enough with the freaking weather updates!
i suck at the internets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowVGe3RoVI&feature=related
try that one now
NJ motorsports park
http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=180757
THUMBS DOWN!!!!!
And that report is in dry, not very hot conditions......
I'm off to glue kneepucks all over my suit.
guess that will give out some pucker factors this weekend...http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USWV0726?from=dayDetails_topnav_undeclared
HEhehehehehe
boo-yah. Hate to have bought these Bridgestone Rains and not get a chance to use them! (I opted to not buy them at CMP and lost out, big time!)
I've been playing meteorologist (going to the animated maps and trying to project my own rain timeline...) and it looks like the worst should be over in about 24 hours. Sadly, I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night...
I was going to buy some slicks, but we'll see what the weather is like, may be buying some rains!!!
Any pointers out there from people who have ridden in the rain before? I was going to at CMP, but was too busy piecing my bike bike together from my stupid first lap/cold tire/first turn crash to get ready for the races on saturday. Plus I was pretty embarassed....
A few people I know are at the Roger Lyle day and say the track is horrible. Let's hope they put the sealer or figure something out because the people providing the information will ride anything so if they say it's bad, it must be bad.
Turns 1, 3, 5,6,7, and 10 have sealer (expoxy) which they are saying is very slick. Should be very interesting if it rains but whatever...it will be a challenge so let's do our best everyone.
I'm riding the track tomorrow with MARRC, if my EVDO card works I'll post some real time updates.
This is my first trip to Summit this weekend and based on these posts it hard to get excited about it.
Maybe I'll be the lucky to not have any experiance at Summit and just have to learn the track as is, as opposed to have to relearn it with all the issues.
Guess I'll find out first hand tomorrow ... should be a fun weekend anyway, rain or shine, smooth track or not. (=
I'm laying in my tent at summit point recovering from pulling my arm out of socket crashing in T-4 like a complete moron in the rain (on my blackberry)
The track is in ruff shape. There are bonafied woops in T1, T5 and T6.
The truth is when the track is dry it's still fast. T1 and T6 are slower with greatly diminished lines excet for a small line on the inside. T5 is horrible almost forcing eveyone to go wide/deep.
The bumps are several inshes deep so they just are,t ruff patches.
In the rain the track is tretourous. Extremly slick and standing water in several places (1mm or 2).
If it rains this weekend I would only recomend rain tires.... I wish I had better news.
You crashed in the rain on your blackberry? I'd try a bike and rain tires next time, better traction :-)
The place isn't that great in the dry either; just watched a dude bin it big time in T10 after touching the epoxy(*)
* The epoxy is like glass. I walked out on the track with some MARRC peeps; it is clear, shiny, and glass-like in texture (i.e. NO texture, therefore NO grip). A dude on a Buell dumped it on the EXACT same spot (approx 15' before the apex cone) in the rain during practice, almost straight up and down. The same stuff is in T1 and T6 according to the MARRC workers. After actually feeling the epoxy with my fingers, I'm in shock that they put it on the track knowing bikes would be riding on it. Nearly everyone who hit it wobbled/slid/fell. It's disgusting.
I believe this weekend will be last last time at Summit Point. I'm not driving 8 hours to support a track owner that is so careless and lazy. As much as I like all the Mid atlantic guys, I think I'll be driving to Louden instead (which I can't believe I now feel is way safer than Summit Point).
Maybe they will fix it before next time.
The rack is horrible for sure.. A few liness, inside and outside of the woops in 1, 5, and 6, but they are no where near as fast as a month ago.... I should be able to recover from my crash in turn 4 to be ready for the next summit round. I hope they do something, cuz its only going to get worsse..
Hope your shoulder feels better quick Russ... at least you didnt break anything like I did... :-(
The track is garbage now. In the wet, forget it. Even with rains on, you go near the epoxy, and you will get a 2 wheel slide even if you are barely leaned over. I crashed in T6 after touching the "whoops" trying to go inside. You can do it but you better hold a perfect line. An expert pitted next to me did the same thing as me but in T5 and crashed. Boo.
the track was awesome in my opinion. separates the men from the boys. Set a new personal best laptime for me this weekend on the 848.
Just kidding- track is tricky for sure in the dry, and really bad in the wet. But I did go faster then I have ever gone there- don't know how to explain that. If someone would have told me that on Fri, I would have said they were crazy.
Before I saw it with my own eyes, I thought everyone had to be overreacting.............once I saw it, I couldn't believe how bad it actually was......the bumps really are THAT BAD......I think they should start running motorcross out there.......1,5,6 are perfect rhythm sections. I never rode it with the concrete but everyone said it was better then. What do you think would have to happen for something to really be done about these places or even remove this venue from the schedule?
Quote from: Peter.BoyWonder on July 07, 2008, 12:25:41 AM
Before I saw it with my own eyes, I thought everyone had to be overreacting.............once I saw it, I couldn't believe how bad it actually was......the bumps really are THAT BAD......I think they should start running motorcross out there.......1,5,6 are perfect rhythm sections. I never rode it with the concrete but everyone said it was better then. What do you think would have to happen for something to really be done about these places or even remove this venue from the schedule?
I don't think removing it from the schedule is the level of reaction needed!!!! Summit Point HAS to be doing something about the track; i.e. consulting the paving company (I was told by a fellow in Wendy's before the Memorial Day round that the guys who poured the pavement that had to be repaved this last time, were racing their dumptrucks around the track. The guy worked for the paving company.) about what is going on with the asphalt. I'm sure the track management doesn't want this to be happening, and I'm willing to bet they address the situation very soon. As it stands, the new pavement was a complete waste of money, and I am sure they're angry about it.
That said, I'm waiting to see what happens before I pre-enter for September.
I was able to ride it about 2 seconds off my pace. What I wonder is what it will look like in a month or two months at the rate it is going down hill.
Turns 5 & 6 are especially difficult now, but there is an inside and outside line through both of them and both lines work
Turn 1 is the same, except the track isn't in as bad of condition
I too went faster than ever this weekend, knocking about 3/4 of a sec off of my times from Memorial Day
They need to fix it, but its not the end of the world
The rumor I heard is that they are replacing the entire track width in 1, 5, & 6 with concrete
Not a patch on the race line as before, but the entire track width in those corners
Stand-by to stand-by, I guess
Overall, I'm stoked
2 wins, a 2nd, a 3rd, and ummm......a last? (stupid false neutrals......)
Regardless, I had an awesome weekend
See you fools at the Barber
The track from a visual inspection was bad...really bad but riding it wasn't. I think it was hit or miss, personally I improved in all areas BUT...failed to figure out a line that worked for me turns 5-6. I'm curious on whether the track is going to change prior to the Sept. weekends. If it does a trackday will be in order otherwise, I know what I need to fix.
I was going very slow through turns 5-6 and my drive was hurt 7-9 by that but I was able to manage 23's which is a few seconds off my normal time so I was happy with my improvements 10 to the entry of 5...but kicking myself that I was unable to find a line that worked because I think I could have put down my best times.
I think it's the tough weekends that teach the lessons so I learned that I need to work harder and still have tons and tons to learn.
Hats off to everyone, the weekend was pretty smooth all things considered with no "major" incidents. See you all in September!
Time table on track mods that I heard was 2 weeks from now
I'm just guessing here, but listening to Mr. Hastings up top, it seemed like one thing to learn from Summit [and I wish I had learned yesterday] was the value in having a well thought out line.
I noticed that having to 'thread the needle' on Sat. in T8 between the slick epoxy on one side and the puddle on the other, that I was turning better just because I was more focused.
Like Chris said, I guess there's a lesson everywhere.
Good point guys, in all fairness I really didn't go any slower but you really had to be careful out there.
It's funny how much of a difference focus makes. We'd always have people who ran faster at night in 24 hour races because they didn't have the distractions and just concentrated on hitting their marks lap after lap.
Too true
The way Summit is now, you've got to be real precise
Full-time p's and q's
QuoteI'm just guessing here, but listening to Mr. Hastings up top, it seemed like one thing to learn from Summit [and I wish I had learned yesterday] was the value in having a well thought out line.
I noticed that having to 'thread the needle' on Sat. in T8 between the slick epoxy on one side and the puddle on the other, that I was turning better just because I was more focused.
Like Chris said, I guess there's a lesson everywhere.
Exactly...while the track wasn't perfect, I really cannot excuse my times or the fact that for the first time since I started racing that I went backwards on the track, I learned a valuable lesson which is that I need to pay a lot more attention to my lines and reference points, I wish I could say I have an excuse for not improving or going top 10 in my races but I don't...simply put...I did a very poor job at riding so I'm going to learn from it and use this to bring something more to the table in September. Important thing is that everyone for the most part was ok, no serious injuries, and of course we all had fun. Big thanks to CCS and MARRC for putting on a good show!
i got my lap record there this past weekend by .9 sec from may or 1.3 sec from last year to a 1:21.5 in lightweight supersport race.i was riding the inside of the patches.Turn 10 i was on the paint a few times as there was about 1 foot of space there without hitting the patch there.I'm real good at hitting the same spot every lap so it didnt effect me ,it just made me faster somehow,now i need 1 more sec to get to the lead.
Quote from: Chris410 on July 07, 2008, 10:19:13 AM
The track from a visual inspection was bad...really bad but riding it wasn't. I think it was hit or miss, personally I improved in all areas BUT...failed to figure out a line that worked for me turns 5-6. I'm curious on whether the track is going to change prior to the Sept. weekends. If it does a trackday will be in order otherwise, I know what I need to fix.
I was going very slow through turns 5-6 and my drive was hurt 7-9 by that but I was able to manage 23's which is a few seconds off my normal time so I was happy with my improvements 10 to the entry of 5...but kicking myself that I was unable to find a line that worked because I think I could have put down my best times.
I think it's the tough weekends that teach the lessons so I learned that I need to work harder and still have tons and tons to learn.
L8r
Todd Am 155
Hats off to everyone, the weekend was pretty smooth all things considered with no "major" incidents. See you all in September!
Chris.
I was the guy you rode with in that last race on Sunday (13)... That was a blast! new bike for me this past weekend so I was not expecting much. I improved my times by .5 of a second even with the crazy track conditions and scored the best finish to date in race 11. Anyway your a good safe rider and felt I comfortable racing with you. Some times it's a little sketchy out there.
sounds like most people did ok. My times were not consistent. they were all over the place. i did get a second place but I don't feel like it was legit since some of the fast guys were not there
Well I really enjoyed my first weekend ever at Summit. Just like everyone else, I wasn't impressed with track conditions, but we drove 8 hours to get there, so you just suck it up and race.
This is my 3rd year racing, but have only raced Loudon, so this was a great experiance. I couldn't believe how fast the track was! It was a hoot to ride on! I was able to run 1:23s all day Sunday, so I'm fairly pleased considering it was my first time. You folks in the front of the MW grids get a great start! I finished 13th in MWSB and 14th and MWSS. I was about there on Saturday as well in MWGP, but the scoring system missed a lap of mine, so I got scored as 30th ... hehehe
I really hope to make it back sooner than later!
Quote from: mikendzel on July 07, 2008, 08:31:02 AM
I don't think removing it from the schedule is the level of reaction needed!!!! Summit Point HAS to be doing something about the track; i.e. consulting the paving company (I was told by a fellow in Wendy's before the Memorial Day round that the guys who poured the pavement that had to be repaved this last time, were racing their dumptrucks around the track. The guy worked for the paving company.) about what is going on with the asphalt. I'm sure the track management doesn't want this to be happening, and I'm willing to bet they address the situation very soon. As it stands, the new pavement was a complete waste of money, and I am sure they're angry about it.
That said, I'm waiting to see what happens before I pre-enter for September.
you may be right....to be honest, those places on the track just do something to my confidence. I am a new racer/rider and still have alot to learn. I also have to admit that while I think the conditions were abysmal, I actually was also over a second faster than I was the last time I was there, so none the less, I was improving....I think that one thing those patches taught me was that there really is room for more than one bike going through a turn. When one guy would be taking the outside line in 5, It kind of dawned on me that hey, I can fit through that inside line there and actually get around him........so I guess there is progress there but overall, I think I would feel much more free if those sections were fixed for real
This weekend was great for me. I was able to do the school on Friday and get my race liscense and do my mock race in the rain :) I was kind of mad because I had to leave on Friday because I had a famiily event to attend, so I wasnt able to do the Sunday races. I was able to run low 1:23's all day, and finish 6th in my GTO race, 11th in GTU, and 17th in MW GP because I ran off at turn 5 =/ CCS will definitely be seeing alot more of me. I think I am going to VIR as well as back to Summit in September.
Quote from: andr3w on July 08, 2008, 10:32:05 AM
This weekend was great for me. I was able to do the school on Friday and get my race liscense and do my mock race in the rain :) I was kind of mad because I had to leave on Friday because I had a famiily event to attend, so I wasnt able to do the Sunday races. I was able to run low 1:23's all day, and finish 6th in my GTO race, 11th in GTU, and 17th in MW GP because I ran off at turn 5 =/ CCS will definitely be seeing alot more of me. I think I am going to VIR as well as back to Summit in September.
A couple of you cruising right along in the class. Good job in the races!
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Chris.
I was the guy you rode with in that last race on Sunday (13)... That was a blast! new bike for me this past weekend so I was not expecting much. I improved my times by .5 of a second even with the crazy track conditions and scored the best finish to date in race 11. Anyway your a good safe rider and felt I comfortable racing with you. Some times it's a little sketchy out there.
Good to hear, I was worried that I was messing you up in turn 1 because my bike kept shutting off :-o I figrued out the problem, I was downshifting too early so once I let the rpms come down the bike was fine. Good race though, that was the only race I truly enjoyed simply because you and I were fighting out there just about every turn. I'm happy to hear that I didn't cause you any problems...look forward to racing against you again...that was fun as hell! Likewise, your passes were clean so honestly I didn't know who would beat who but I did know it was some good racing. I was laughing in my helmet a few times because if I made even a slight mistake you'd fly by me so when I did I literally said...ok...c'mon I know you're there.
Hats off...see you in September and again, good stuff out there.
Quote from: Chris410 on July 09, 2008, 09:08:25 AM
Good to hear, I was worried that I was messing you up in turn 1 because my bike kept shutting off :-o I figrued out the problem, I was downshifting too early so once I let the rpms come down the bike was fine. Good race though, that was the only race I truly enjoyed simply because you and I were fighting out there just about every turn. I'm happy to hear that I didn't cause you any problems...look forward to racing against you again...that was fun as hell! Likewise, your passes were clean so honestly I didn't know who would beat who but I did know it was some good racing. I was laughing in my helmet a few times because if I made even a slight mistake you'd fly by me so when I did I literally said...ok...c'mon I know you're there.
Hats off...see you in September and again, good stuff out there.
Chris, get a slipper clutch man! Or you can buy my bike after VIR in Sept, it has one stock.
Endzel, You're selling your bike!???....was it something I said??
Hey, does anyone know when the results and laptimes will be available from this race?
Art, it's just to get a different bike!!! I'm not going anywhere!!!
I'm going back to Summit on 8/4; hopefully they'll have addressed the pavement situation!!! I think they need to look into the same guys that paved Brands Hatch, those guys evidently came up with a new HMA mix specifically designed for the race track. Either that or maybe an SMA mix for the turns??? From what I read SMA is supposed to have higher grip in the wet and is less susceptible to wear.... Something like that. Evidently asphalt comes in more flavors than just "road"......
Personally I like the black and grip-y flavor, but that's just me.
Anyone got any new news?
I heard AMA Motocross Pro is running an event on the track this weekend and are loving the new woops section in T1,T2,T5 & T6 and especially love the water hazrds in T1 & T8....
:biggrin: :lmao:
The NESBA guys are running Main today, so hopefully someone will chime in with a surface update....
Knowing how the owners of Summit have been handeling the surface if the asphalt epoxy stuff they put down is preforming to thier satisfaction and not degrading anymore. I'm sure they will have done nothing about it, and will wait until the end of the racing season to make the perminate repairs.
I think there's a trackday tomorrow and I know a couple of people who are running it. I have not heard anything so I'm guessing it has not changed.
I just saw video from the NESBA day. Same shit, no changes.
NESBA had cones on track @ T6, inside line...
(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstill428.com%2Ffunny%2Fconeswtf.jpg&hash=ea09a0d81062c363bd2ee3f70f3e9e5f8c026c03)
What?
Those aren't supposed to be there?
Cones? Seriously?
Reading over some input from different forums they have not changed anything, and honestly I expect the same if not worse conditions as last time.
With NJ running I hope at some point we visit CMP (8 hour drive for me) and NJ more often next year. While I raced Summit I am disappointed that they have not released any statements with the intent of improving it. There's a WERA weekend coming up so I will be curious to see how people react and how the weekend goes.
Either way...with the challenging conditions, as usual everyone did a great job and I look forward to racing with everyone again, at least I know that the people racing against me will do their job right so hats off.
If I hear anything I will post up...as of this post, I have not heard any updates on whether anything is going to be done.
CCS please drop a few of the Mid-Atlantic Summit Point weekends for 09. Just add 1 more CMP weekend and add two NJMP weekends and we'll be golden. I live 35 minutes from Summit but after the July 4th weekend track conditions I think it's time we take some of our money and play elsewhere.
BEAVER is all i have to say!! Or Nelson.
Quote from: MotoHick on July 24, 2008, 11:35:03 AM
CCS please drop a few of the Mid-Atlantic Summit Point weekends for 09. Just add 1 more CMP weekend and add two NJMP weekends and we'll be golden. I live 35 minutes from Summit but after the July 4th weekend track conditions I think it's time we take some of our money and play elsewhere.
I totally agree (except the NJMP thing....I think there should be more CMP).....the whole reason I ride on the race track is so that I can go balls out and not have to worry about the poor surface conditions, walls, and other hazards that are on the street.....shoot, maybe we should just have an event at the Dragon one time next season....
Well, a friend of mine who is an instructor for Ferrari was out there this week and said that the surface is similar to how it has been. No changes have been made to the track.
Would be nice to have fewer Summit dates with more NJ dates and maybe one more CMP.
I hope Summit fixes up the track because while racing one weekend on such a poor surface was doable...and many of us did it...to ride it like that for the next round is BS. I can understand one race weekend in poor conditions but where is the quality/pride of the owners of that track?
Im real close to Summit, and go pretty well there, but the surface is ridiculous. Shenny is way too dangerous, and Main is ruined.
How about this for 2009?
Daytona
CMP
Summit
VIR
NJMP
Beave
CMP
VIR
Daytona ROC
And can we add in a "throwaway" round, so we dont get penalized for not making the trek to Daytona?
That looks good to me
Throw in the Barber twin-sprint round and we're good
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't mind the run to AL
Totally agree w/ the proposed schedule! Think the powers that be are listening?
Re: Barber-- yeah, but does it really need to be AUGUST in Alabama!?
I hear you there
But its hot as all get-out in MD in August, so whats another few degrees?
I wish Barber were removed from the schedule...a CMP or NJ round in its place would be a lot better.
Sadly, I can't justify the time/cost to do Barber...
I agree barber is to far for mid atlantic
BeaveRun has been discussed many times...and as it is now...isn't going to happen....
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on June 16, 2008, 05:10:55 PM
Not under the current restrictions which prohibit even stock exhaust machines from competition.
Due to sound limitations applicable to operations at BeaveRun, no vehicle will be permitted to operate with a sound level in excess of 95 dbA as measured at a distance of 50 feet from the vehicle under full throttle.
The chance of a race event being stopped mid-event or riders fined for a regulation that our competitors cannot meet is not worth the risk of adding it to the schedule regardless of past history. If or when the noise ordinance is lifted/amended then we look at it as a viable race facility.
Eye-p,
You only allowed for eight events. I think we can do better than that. Also, if Barber is too far for Mid Atlantic (I agree BTW), Daytona isn't? I understand that the ROC is held there and that is another discussion all together. But, why the spring race as part of our series? Why not add in some mid-west tracks. I mean Daytona is only a 2100 mile trip. With diesel at $4.89/gallon that is only $855.75 just to tow there!! Sorry, I changed my mind, let's add MORE dates at Daytona!
I like Shenandoah anyway. It is a great technical track. The reason we were not there this year was due to scheduling not safety.
I think Shenandoah adds variety and challenge to the season.
If we do two events there like 2007, and add a second in NJ... Now we have a good ten races on our schedule.
Also, Paul, wasn't it mentioned before that WERA races there? Are WERA bikes quieter than CCS machines? NESBA? Team Promotion? Sportbike Track time?
Quote from: LongDogRacing on July 25, 2008, 02:20:43 PM
Totally agree w/ the proposed schedule! Think the powers that be are listening?
Re: Barber-- yeah, but does it really need to be AUGUST in Alabama!?
Replace Daytona in march with barber
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on July 25, 2008, 08:02:10 PM
Also, Paul, wasn't it mentioned before that WERA races there? Are WERA bikes quieter than CCS machines? NESBA? Team Promotion? Sportbike Track time?
I believe they all do...just re-posting the info from Kelcher....I've never been there - so can't say how strictly the track actually enforces the regulation....wouldn't be against it being added ....
and it sure would be nice to have an event @ NJ next year. I know the cost and 3 day rental was the issue with getting it on the schedule.
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on July 25, 2008, 08:02:10 PM
Eye-p,
You only allowed for eight events. I think we can do better than that. Also, if Barber is too far for Mid Atlantic (I agree BTW), Daytona isn't? I understand that the ROC is held there and that is another discussion all together. But, why the spring race as part of our series? Why not add in some mid-west tracks. I mean Daytona is only a 2100 mile trip. With diesel at $4.89/gallon that is only $855.75 just to tow there!! Sorry, I changed my mind, let's add MORE dates at Daytona!
I like Shenandoah anyway. It is a great technical track. The reason we were not there this year was due to scheduling not safety.
I think Shenandoah adds variety and challenge to the season.
If we do two events there like 2007, and add a second in NJ... Now we have a good ten races on our schedule.
Also, Paul, wasn't it mentioned before that WERA races there? Are WERA bikes quieter than CCS machines? NESBA? Team Promotion? Sportbike Track time?
I'm trying to be realistic about the number of events that people will be able to attend. I would like to see a few more, but the lack of suitable venues seems to be a real obstacle. Again, I have no special insight about this, it's just simply what I find reasonable.
Myself, I will almost surely NOT be going to Daytona- but I can certainly respect that it is and will be the first round of the series. That is my motivation for the throwaway round request.
With regards to Shenny, I will not be spending my money to race there. Nor will any of the 5 other guys that I pit with at every round. Remember how small the grids were last year? I just cant justify the risk of racing on that track. Trackdays...maybe, but no way at race pace.
I actually think that something will be done about Main, so that is really not a concern for me.
I think I can probably plan for roughly 12 events a year as long as we stay within 6-7 hours of DC.
I have read all the threads where Beave is discussed, and understand the issues. That said, every trackday org as well as "the other" race org go there, so the excuses have worn thin.
There is always this place that could eventually find its way into our schedule. http://www.racehighrock.com/home.aspx
I'd much prefer this to CMP at least for the MA region.
Have they even broken ground yet?
Quote from: Eye-p on July 25, 2008, 10:53:46 PM
Have they even broken ground yet?
Yes they have broken ground. Not only have I heard this from very well informed people, but I also read a thread on the WERA board where Mongo said they would be at HRRW in 09 if it is completed in time.
Now if I had it my way the schedule would look like this:
Daytona
CMP
Summit (If pavement is fixed)
VIR
High Rock Raceway
CMP
Summit (If pavement is fixed)
VIR
High Rock Raceway
Daytona ROC
All of the tracks are in WV, VA, NC, and S.C. with the exception of Daytona. All of those states are seriously mid atlantic........not...... kinda....... sort of..... middle of alabama.
Does anyone know why we dont race at Road Atlanta? I know the Sunday quite time is a bitch but why doesnt CCS race there? And what happened to Roebling Road this year too?
Quote from: Peter.BoyWonder on July 27, 2008, 10:59:02 PM
Yes they have broken ground. Not only have I heard this from very well informed people, but I also read a thread on the WERA board where Mongo said they would be at HRRW in 09 if it is completed in time.
Now if I had it my way the schedule would look like this:
Daytona
CMP
Summit (If pavement is fixed)
VIR
High Rock Raceway
CMP
Summit (If pavement is fixed)
VIR
High Rock Raceway
Daytona ROC
All of the tracks are in WV, VA, NC, and S.C. with the exception of Daytona. All of those states are seriously mid atlantic........not...... kinda....... sort of..... middle of alabama.
You forgot NJMP (Thunderbolt/Lightning)!!!!
A couple of the guys I race with went there (I had to stay home :banghead:) and really liked the Lightning Course. The Thunderbolt Course should be even better when it opens! We could race both of those.
I'm a noob so this may be out there but what about Mid-Ohio?
I would be in favor of Mid-Ohio if we can ditch Daytona. At least Ohio is somewhat near the Mid-Atlantic...
Just out of curiosity, are the powers that be listening? I don't expect you guys to say that anything will change one way or another just yet, but it would be nice to know that we were at least being heard.
Eric Kelcher @ CCS visits the board but you also can e:mail him
Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us
I'm going Monday to check out the "fixes"
Stay tuned.....
Should be a good indicator because from what I hear there are car events all weekend.
Rain evidently delayed the "fixing"
cough *bullshit* cough
I have a feeling that they are going to just leave it as is...
Well, your feeling is wrong. Bummer huh?
Quote from: Mongo on August 03, 2008, 12:47:48 PM
Well, your feeling is wrong. Bummer huh?
No, not really. I'd be thrilled to have them fix it.
The equipment to repave turns 1, 5, and 6 is on site at Summit Point now; the equipment, weather and time availability to mill/grade the turns has not been available. The track will be ready for the ASRA Pro and CCS regional at Summit on Sept 5-7 with track down time of 3-4 days.
The corners will be relaid with a polymer(unsure what previous mix was and forgot to ask) based airport grade asphalt.
Looking for more details on asphalt quality levels and type I found this article that I found interesting: Serious RPM (Race Paving Miles) (http://www.roadsbridges.com/Serious-RPM-Race-Paving-Miles--article5425)
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on August 04, 2008, 11:11:25 AM
The equipment to repave turns 1, 5, and 6 is on site at Summit Point now; the equipment, weather and time availability to mill/grade the turns has not been available. The track will be ready for the ASRA Pro and CCS regional at Summit on Sept 5-7 with track down time of 3-4 days.
The corners will be relaid with a polymer(unsure what previous mix was and forgot to ask) based airport grade asphalt.
That is great news. Am I correct in thinking that T10 is not being repaired?
1 , 3 , 5 , 6 , 10 would be nice.
At what percent does a track owner decide, well we royaly screwed up X percent of out track, lets redo all the corners... Obviously 50% isn't enough...
Quote from: Russell2566 on August 04, 2008, 02:32:59 PM
At what percent does a track owner decide, well we royaly screwed up X percent of out track, lets redo all the corners... Obviously 50% isn't enough...
Where it affects profit.
I was being facetious...
anywho, how about next year we don't run there at all... Maybe they will get their stuff in gear for 2010?
I hope they do Turns 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. All of the other... one is fine!!!!
The paving equipment is just outside of turn 7 guys and girls!
I cant believe what i see!!! Summit gonna be fixed for the sept.3-5 weekend?? WOW!
If "just" turn 1,5,6 gonna be fixed i am happy already. The rest of them i can deal with. And im pretty sure everybody else too. Come on guys! That is awesome!
nothing has been done yet.http://www.magicratvideos.com/magicvideos/video/Crash176_800/Crash176_800.html...wera at summit this past weekend
Wow! I am impressed. Here it is, Monday and the lap times for Barber are up already!! Somehow, lap times from Summit Point, a month ago, are still MIA !!
This thread is for bitching about pavement; take your laptimes elsewhere Joe!!!!!
:D
LOL! You are something else Mike!
The thread is simply titled "Summit Point."
But, OK!
Blah, blah, blah pavement, blah, blah, crash, blah blah, FIX IT PLEASE !!!
I did a roger lyle track day this past thurs and I know they hadnt performed any repairs by this past weekend and it looks like the only chance (according to the schedule) for them to make any repairs is today through this thursday. Nothing but sunshine this week and 4 days clear in the schedule so hopefully they will get it done (and done right).
Otherwise its not looking to be any better for sept 5-7 CCS weekend.
they will probably do the repairs at night and run cars on it within an hour of finishing it
They're going to delay the repairs until after a 7 day stretch of car events (just because something isn't on their published schedule also doesn't mean the track is empty). It should be done before any future bike events.
Well just going by whats on the schedule, if it isnt done THIS week it WILL NOT be done before the next bike event...aka CCS weekend sept 5-7. Unless they do some one or two day half-ass patch job again...
My guess is we will be lucky if its done before next season. Which is probably what should be done anyway. I mean its bad but still decent enough to race on. They should fix it RIGHT after the close of the season and let it be without running on it till next spring to let it all settle and cure really good. Then maybe it would last for awhile without cars immediately tearing it back up!
Despite the "bad" track. Lap times this past weekend were pretty much as low as they have ever been. I am sure there would have been a new lap record if not for the weather.
The fact is,, bikes are not near the top of the track owners' concerns. We are not where they make their money.
Not even close to where they make money yet they still want to do right by us and get the track fixed.
titr - I'm not sure where you're getting all of this information from that you're basing your guess on but mine comes from the owner and the management. They're not going to lie to me which means they will try to get it done between the 7 days of cars and the next bike event (which is a track day I believe). There also is no true close of the season at Summit or most tracks for that matter. They can't afford to have them sit for months idle.
Look im not trying to start any bs here just observing. I never claimed to have much solid information LOL just trying to use common sense and their schedule to estimate likely times of repairs. I happen not to be personal friends or contacts of anyone at summit but have posted about as much concrete info as mongo or anyone else for that matter. Mongo if you have good contact with them then maybe you could get the exact info on repair dates, what exact kind of repairs are going to be done, which turns exactly are going to be done, etc etc etc.....
The more concrete info we have here probably the sooner this thread would die lol!
The info I posted was just based on their schedule which shows no opening between today and the next bike event which is a Pro-motion trackday. They do still have a 4 day stretch open Aug 25-28 which could be a good time if they plan to repair before the CCS event which would be nice. But unless they repaired this week it WILL NOT be ready for next bike event (trackday).
I realize also that they probably never "officially" close but unless they have a helluva lot of private events common sense would dictate they have large times of inactivity in the winter months and would be good for repairs.
Like I said before it really doesnt matter to me because its not that bad as long as its dry. Just sucks for racers when they have to call off multiple races because the track isnt even close to being safe enough to use for bikes in the wet because of the amateur attempt at a repair last time that left nice slick patches.
That being said I understand that bikes arent their main source of money most likely and I do appreciate the fact that they hold so many bike events (races and trackdays) for everyone.
I just got off the phone with management at Summit. All I can do is confirm what has been said here already. Yes, they want to get the track fixed. Yes, it MAY be fixed prior to our event. But, they need to get three car events out of the way, the weather has to hold out, the local asphalt plant has to not break down, and the labor has to be available.
They are as disappointed with the condition of the track as we are.
[sarcasm]YAY!!!!![/sarcasm]
What a cluster this has become.
Quote from: Cowboy 6 on August 14, 2008, 02:14:42 PM
I just got off the phone with management at Summit. All I can do is confirm what has been said here already. Yes, they want to get the track fixed. Yes, it MAY be fixed prior to our event. But, they need to get three car events out of the way, the weather has to hold out, the local asphalt plant has to not break down, and the labor has to be available.
They are as disappointed with the condition of the track as we are.
Thanks for the info!
Could swear that's what I've been saying since I talked to them Sunday morning :-)
Quote from: Mongo on August 14, 2008, 07:22:37 PM
Could swear that's what I've been saying since I talked to them Sunday morning :-)
QuoteAll I can do is confirm what has been said here already.
Yep...
I was messing titr for his Thanks not you :biggrin:
Yeah, but you're one of the "others"
Hell, you're THE other
Surely you can appreciate the fact that you'll get no appreciation here.......
your sarcasm-alert-meter should be pegged right about now......
I know, I'm evil. But at least I'm cute! :lmao:
Summit point so bad that tpm did not run on it yesterday.Now turn 3 is coming apart :wtf:
Quote from: gixster on August 19, 2008, 12:51:42 PM
Summit point so bad that tpm did not run on it yesterday.Now turn 3 is coming apart :wtf:
Fack, thats not good
Well, they have Monday and Tuesday of next week to pave and still allow the 48 hours of curing time; there is a gap in events from the 24th to the 29th. (On their website's schedule anyway)
Turn three was coming apart a long time. When I was corner captain during the WERA races in June there were holes in it.
Wow.
At what point does BSR just shut things down regardless of events?
its a lawsuit waiting to happen... those wavers you sign mean shit.
Actually, they mean a lot. You have the choice to run or not run. It's not like the track condition is an unknown. You have ability to check out the surface prior to riding on it. The waivers will hold up just fine.
Just confirmed with Summit Point Raceway that the repair/repave is still on schedule to be be complete prior to the Sept 5-7 race weekend.
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on August 21, 2008, 05:13:11 PM
Just confirmed with Summit Point Raceway that the repair/repave is still on schedule to be be complete prior to the Sept 5-7 race weekend.
That is excellent news. Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on August 21, 2008, 05:13:11 PM
Just confirmed with Summit Point Raceway that the repair/repave is still on schedule to be be complete prior to the Sept 5-7 race weekend.
That would be awesome if it happens......I'll so be there if it does.
And what if it doesnt happen??
Bring extra beer for the weekend?
Quote from: gixster on August 22, 2008, 05:12:49 PM
And what if it doesnt happen??
Ride with nesba for two days at CMP.
Good news they have Drifting scheduled the 28th!!
Quote from: ktd on August 27, 2008, 10:37:17 AM
Good news they have Drifting scheduled the 28th!!
Well since its being held on the shenandah course, I don't think it would affect the main track............. :spank:
And the schedule shows it on the 24th 'Drift Nirvana'.
Hey Endzel,
you live close, you should go install a webcam so we can all watch the progress real time!
:biggrin:
-mark
Man, I'm like 2.5 hours away!!!!
So did they pave Summit?
From what I hear on the other boards, the track will be closed Wed for paving? We shall see?
I will be there thursday for the roger lyle trackday so if they pave it tomorrow that would be awesome...
Will let everyone know how its looks!!!
from what i read on the wera board it was repaved and they did a decent job, hopefully the roger lyle trackday doesn't tear it up today, i want it nice and smooth for some rain racin on saturday
here's some pics off of the wera board some are a little wavy
http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s...20point%20fix/
Quote from: tpadden on September 04, 2008, 12:15:00 PM
here's some pics off of the wera board some are a little wavy
http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/jennthebiker/summit%20point%20fix/ (http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/jennthebiker/summit%20point%20fix/)
Link Fixed
http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/jennthebiker/summit%20point%20fix/ (http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/jennthebiker/summit%20point%20fix/)
any word on how the transitions are from old pavement to new?
Quote from: Peter.BoyWonder on September 04, 2008, 12:44:30 PM
any word on how the transitions are from old pavement to new?
Really nice. I would be thrilled if this pavement held up for a while.
T3 still has that sealer on it, and T10 still has that strip of sealer also, but the rest of the track was great.
The visuals are very different however and might take some readjustment on your part. Sure did for me.