Is the 08 schedule out yet, gots to plan. :biggrin:
Ty
I have mine, WERA has there's, but haven't heard of one from CCS.
Yeah, I saw WERA. Where do you ride out of?
Near Milwaukee myself. But I spend a lot of time between here and Topeka.
It's too bad CCS always waits so late. I'm filling my schedule up with series that give me time to plan. CCS should at least post a tentative schedule. I'm more likely to schedule racing where I can plan now, rather than figuring out CCS at the last minute.
I've looked at some track websites and have some likely dates for the Mid-Atlantic schedule.
Feb 28-March 2 Daytona
June 14-15 Roebling Road
June 21-22 VIR
September 6-7 VIR
Summit Point Main will probably be during Memorial Day weekend as usual and maybe another race there earlier in the month, as well as one in July and probably one at the end of the schedule.
And Road America TENTATIVELY July 4-6, 2008. :thumb:
If the schedule makers read this, please do not include Summit Shenendoa again in 2008. IMO, It is too dangerous for motorcycle racing.
i second getting rid of shenandoah!
keep shenadoah,it is one of my favorite tracks.
what do you like about it?
i wouldn't even do a track day there. just my .02.
Quote from: SVbadguy on December 01, 2007, 07:12:08 PM
I've looked at some track websites and have some likely dates for the Mid-Atlantic schedule.
Feb 28-March 2 Daytona
June 14-15 Roebling Road
June 21-22 VIR
September 6-7 VIR
Summit Point Main will probably be during Memorial Day weekend as usual and maybe another race there earlier in the month, as well as one in July and probably one at the end of the schedule.
The Sept VIR date is wrong and part of the reason it has taken a while to get out his year. When Kevin gets bak in town it should be posted and the license mailer will be going out with all the forms and formal announcements this week as well.
How late do they wait? What is wrong with Shanendoah
Quote from: steelcityracer on December 02, 2007, 01:42:55 PM
If the schedule makers read this, please do not include Summit Shenendoa again in 2008. IMO, It is too dangerous for motorcycle racing.
Summit Main has spots that are worse than any on Shenandoah. How many times have you raced on Shenandoah? I agree it is not the best track to race on, but only because it is so difficult to pass on- It is very one lined. But it is no more dangerous, in fact it is less dangerous than many other tracks on the east coast.
Quote from: ahastings on December 02, 2007, 10:20:43 PM
Summit Main has spots that are worse than any on Shenandoah. How many times have you raced on Shenandoah? I agree it is not the best track to race on, but only because it is so difficult to pass on- It is very one lined. But it is no more dangerous, in fact it is less dangerous than many other tracks on the east coast.
I havent raced on it. I have looked at it and do not want to race it.
Thanks for chiming in Eric. I'll be looking for the press release.
Quote from: steelcityracer on December 03, 2007, 01:19:46 AM
I havent raced on it. I have looked at it and do not want to race it.
++++++++++++ Attention Jeff +++++++++++++++
Please accept this as my nomination for post of the Month and in consideration for post of the year!
+1 LOL!
I raced on the Shenandoah for the first time this year and thought it was fun. It has it's issues, but so does the main track. Turn 4 on main scares me way more than anything on the Shenandoah!
Quote from: Simon on December 03, 2007, 12:23:55 PM
Turn 4 on main scares me way more than anything on the Shenandoah!
Exactly. And now with the re-pave the varying degrees of traction will be gone so it will be a little better in one sense. But now we will be going into 4 even faster.
I need to get kudos for starting this post LOL!!!
Quote from: Burt Munro on December 03, 2007, 10:39:52 AM
++++++++++++ Attention Jeff +++++++++++++++
Please accept this as my nomination for post of the Month and in consideration for post of the year!
Your kidding right? I've raced on it 4 times and think it is completely unsafe. I've crashed and hit the wall hard, I was fortunate to have turned around and hit feet first. As long as that track is on the circuit, I won't run another full series with CCS.
And it didn't take any rocket science to figure out that the walls were too close and the track too narrow for safe passing zones. Couple that with the sponge wall CCS puts out there and I think you can pretty much make a fair assessment that the track is unsafe.
I have yet to see a motogp race at Indy but they seem to be making some major renovations to make the track more safe.
Z
y'all are going to hate me, but i want an endurance race at Shenendoah, i h8 turn one, but the rest is like many other tracks, scarry, but i can go fast there without thinking i am going to get hurt if i go down. now if we could only do somethong about turn one
:ahhh:
Ah, I see that must be the symbol for Kevin is on vacation. :biggrin:
:banghead: ::) 8) :banghead:
So, heard Kevin went to a South Florida hip hop fitness camp...
(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffit2danceinc.com%2Fyahoo_site_admin%2Fassets%2Fimages%2FHip_Hop_1.26242339_std.jpg&hash=cea08ca094c57306450aac40f48c89b44895c8dc)
He'll be tanned, groomed, and lean? :biggrin:
Well, more than he is now...
Kevin! Where's the schedule! LOL!
Ha, that's funny!
The schedule is now posted on the CCS homepage.
Linky... (http://ccsracing.com/schedules/2008/schedule.html)
CCS Racing home page (http://www.ccsracing.us)
:banghead:
Thanks Eric :cheers:
Eric....breath deeeeeeeeeep - release - repeat until Daytona :biggrin:
Is Alabama really in the Great Plains region? :wtf:
Quote from: mwsportsimaging on December 06, 2007, 11:46:32 AM
Is Alabama really in the Great Plains region? :wtf:
That's EXACTLY what I was wondering... holy bajeezus
No. But you're racing there for regional stuff for GP, it appears.
Dumb, I think, but traditional. I was the first "South Central" champion (1993), and region was HPT and little Talladega, which I like more than Barber. But that's me.
750 miles or so from Milwaukee or KC, KS, but GP gets it.
Seems far out for Mid-Atlantic guys too...someone will say something I'm sure.
Here ya go Dave!
http://www.ccsracing.com/schedules/2008/schedule.html
Barber has been a part of the Mid-Atlanic schedule for a few years...and the turn out has gotten smaller - proably why it's opened up to GP...try to get more riders...
and on the MA schedule..no Shenandoah @ Summit Pt...but it looks as if the 2 TBA dates where they were for 2007...maybe a waiting game to see if the new track in NJ @ Millville will be ready.... and no Roebling....hmmmmmm
CCS GP schedule looks great. Might be able to make all the races.
Eric! I see you have 4 races sheduled in the Florida region at Moroso after April. I was at the track this weekend, and the grounds keeper told me they are repaving in May 08. Do you have any info on this? I hope we don't have the same issues with cancelled races like we did last year.
Thanks, Eric!
Quote from: BigJerm7 on December 06, 2007, 01:34:47 PM
CCS GP schedule looks great. Might be able to make all the races.
Anyone have the web address for Tuberculosis Downs?
That August opening in the MA schedule would be filled nicely by the August 22-24 opening for Thunderbolt Raceway at NJMP. :biggrin:
Thanks Eric. If your job was anything but thankless would it be as rewarding?
probably not
Coming up for the MW banquet, fingers crossed for more butt numbing weather and a chance to get out and try some ice racing (sorry MW guys but what good is winter if you can't enjoy it? TX water is too cold to water ski from Dec-Feb so might as well get on it :biggrin: )
It was nine below at my house this morning. Certainly promising, but the continued snow doesn't help allow the heat out of the lakes so they can really freeze up.
I'm hoping to ride next weekend.
Too bad Eric.........the 3 hour Steel Shoe Fund ice race is on Jan. 20th. You're a week early to ride that.
We'll be into spring by then...LOL!
Good Lord!
9 below and its not even winter yet?
F that, friend.
maybe one of the TBA dates for MA will be roebling thats a fun track. be nice and warm in july and august too.
or maybe another summit main or Vir.
that track in NJ will probably never be done
just checked the web site for NJ Motorsports Park...
they have a 2008 schedule up and pavement started going down end of Nov...
http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/html/whats_new.html :thumb:
I would love a 3rd trip to VIR!
4 rounds at Summit is plenty
I know Roebling has had its place on the schedule (MA) before, but thats a bridge too far for me.
The drive to Barber is hateful, but then again - its Barber, so all's well.
But the prospect for getting on the NJ track gives me wood!
Who doesn't like some strange?
Gary, you doubter they were laying pavement down this week. Weren't you with us though when we had dinner with Kevin and he said that the new track at it's current pricing level was WAY too expensive to consider racing there.
yes we were told that the nj motorsports park was to much money to rent
but a nj track would be nice and close
Quote from: PJ721 on December 07, 2007, 10:03:32 AM
just checked the web site for NJ Motorsports Park...
they have a 2008 schedule up and pavement started going down end of Nov...
http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/html/whats_new.html :thumb:
This should be a test for how well the asphalt holds up.....
'The ARCA RE/MAX Series, America's most diverse auto racing series, returns to roadcourse racing for the first time since 2001 on September 26-28 at Thunderbolt Raceway, wrapping up NJMP's inaugural spectator season. Spectators will get a look at the next generation of NASCAR hopefuls,
as they race stockcars around the 2.3-mile road circuit.' :ahhh: :ahhh:
Quote from: Burt Munro on December 07, 2007, 12:34:48 PM
This should be a test for how well the asphalt holds up.....
'The ARCA RE/MAX Series, America's most diverse auto racing series, returns to roadcourse racing for the first time since 2001 on September 26-28 at Thunderbolt Raceway, wrapping up NJMP's inaugural spectator season. Spectators will get a look at the next generation of NASCAR hopefuls, as they race stockcars around the 2.3-mile road circuit.' :ahhh: :ahhh:
It's always fun watching the roundy rounders try to turn right...or is it left :err:
What happened to Roebling in the SE schedule?
Looks good to me. Now I just need to get the money up so I can race.
Quote from: Sig on December 07, 2007, 03:48:44 PM
What happened to Roebling in the SE schedule?
I was wondering the same thing... I know last years turn out was low, but didn't think it was *that* low.
Quote from: Been-Jammin on December 08, 2007, 09:33:35 AM
I was wondering the same thing... I know last years turn out was low, but didn't think it was *that* low.
Turn out was low because everybody that does both CCS and WERA raced the track the weekend before CCS was there with WERA.
A litlte different scheduling and I think you would see a big difference.
Quote from: Super Dave on December 06, 2007, 12:03:14 PM
No. But you're racing there for regional stuff for GP, it appears.
Dumb, I think, but traditional. I was the first "South Central" champion (1993), and region was HPT and little Talladega, which I like more than Barber. But that's me.
750 miles or so from Milwaukee or KC, KS, but GP gets it.
Seems far out for Mid-Atlantic guys too...someone will say something I'm sure.
Yes it is far for us MA racers and the higher entry fees don't help. But not as far as Daytona, how would you like that added to your region. I guess it is about getting numbers. At least Daytona isn't double points for us this year and figures it might be the first year I will be going, but not because of the points.
Quote from: Burt Munro on December 03, 2007, 10:39:52 AM
++++++++++++ Attention Jeff +++++++++++++++
Please accept this as my nomination for post of the Month and in consideration for post of the year!
Can you tell me why this should be considered post of the year?
probably because you said you haven't raced on it. i guess he feels you need to actually race on it to see that it's not a good place for motorcycles. i would rather take a look at the concrete walls that outline the track and make my decision.
You guys race on Summit Main and turn 4 has a wall that you carry more speed on it then any turn on Shenny. Just to give you an idea of how slow the speeds are on shenny, an SV is competetive in any class. Also if you ran the same gearing that you ran on the main track you wouldn't get any higher than 4th gear on a 600 or 3rd gear on a 1000.
Quote from: ahastings on December 09, 2007, 11:19:23 PM
You guys race on Summit Main and turn 4 has a wall that you carry more speed on it then any turn on Shenny. Just to give you an idea of how slow the speeds are on shenny, an SV is competetive in any class. Also if you ran the same gearing that you ran on the main track you wouldn't get any higher than 4th gear on a 600 or 3rd gear on a 1000.
I agree that turn 4 is very dangerous, and I wish that they would fix it. It is definatly the most dangerout turn that I go through, and I ride through it accordingly. If I want to pass someone in turn 5, I pass them arount the outside so that I am no where near that wall. A traditional pass puts the rider right next to the wall. My line doesnt let me carry maximum speed, but i am not willing to go close to that wall. I am willing to make a concession for that one turn, but not a whole track.
As far as the post of the year thing, I dont see how people can say that you have to race a track to see if it is safe to race it. I can tell just by watching that the IOM tt and Macau GP are extremely dangerous, and I wouldnt want to race them, just like I can see the proximity of the walls to the track at shenendoa and decide not to race it. When I snowboard, I can look at a 60 foot table top, and just by looking at it, I can tell that I dont want to jump it. I understand that summit built the shenandoa in order to increase revenue, but it is a decision that I cannot support. I cannot see how you can build a new track in the modern era of safety couciousness, and have walls so close to the track. The decision is especially mind boggling, considering that summit already had a track that had issues (turn 4) that need addressed. Im sure that they could have fixed turn 4 (and 3, 8 and 9) with a fraction of the money that was used to build the shenandoa.
I am glad to see that shenandoa is not on the schedule for 08 so far. I hope it doesnt show up on those spots that are TBD.
I posted a poll on another forum, and the vast majority of respondants agreed that you can make a valid judgement on the safety level of a track, just by looking at it.
http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?p=1838064&posted=1#post1838064
I think you're missing your context in this whole thread. Surely, it wasn't funny to you, but it hit me like a great punchline.
I voted for neither in your poll as neither left me a reasonable opportunity to make the decisions in how I actually make them.
You have to make your choices no matter what.
Quote from: Super Dave on December 10, 2007, 02:01:52 PM
You have to make your choices no matter what.
I Agree :cheers:
Super Dave hit it on the head. It was more the way you're statement was structured that amused me. No harm was intended.
I'd be the last one to tell someone that you couldn't decide whether or not you should ride a track, just by looking at it in some cases. I've never been to Shenendoah so I can't make an informed comment about the track. I know a number of people who have never been to Daytona and feel like that track isn't for them. And for them, it's probably the best decision.
I guess I'm a little sensitive to people making decisions about tracks they've never been to based on the opinions of someone who knows someone who lived next door to someone who dumped his bike at that track.
Gateway would be a perfect example. Awful lot of people out there with very strong, vocal opinions about the track who have never even seen it. All they know is some guy (John Wascow) hit the wall there in '02 and nearly died. What they probably don't know is that John's serious injuries were from a rider behind him hitting him and not from John hitting an airfence protected wall - which can happen at virtually any track. I know this particular subject is still sensitive to a number of people so I'll back off for now.
I guess the way I look at it is that it's kind of like buying a car or truck based soley on the color. An educated decision always wins in my book!!
if a spot on a track is unsafe, then go a little slower through that section. i did that at gateway this year and ended up with 2 of my best finishes since i've started racing. or just don't go at all. if the numbers start dropping at tracks, then ccs will pull out for another track.
Man I dont have enough vacation for this. :banghead: The one event in the Midwest I am not scheduled to work is Heartland. WERA bound.
Quote from: jeyrod on December 11, 2007, 10:11:58 AM
Man I dont have enough vacation for this. :banghead: The one event in the Midwest I am not scheduled to work is Heartland. WERA bound.
i know exactly how you feel. i work every other weekend. cmra schedule is the same way for me. gonna make the move to ccs gp this year. looks like i'll be able to make all their events, and i was only able to make 3 cmra events.
Quote from: steelcityracer on December 09, 2007, 09:51:11 PM
Can you tell me why this should be considered post of the year?
Did you see I had your back Hank?
Quote from: Burt Munro on December 11, 2007, 12:42:10 AM
Super Dave hit it on the head. It was more the way you're statement was structured that amused me. No harm was intended.
I'd be the last one to tell someone that you couldn't decide whether or not you should ride a track, just by looking at it in some cases. I've never been to Shenendoah so I can't make an informed comment about the track. I know a number of people who have never been to Daytona and feel like that track isn't for them. And for them, it's probably the best decision.
I guess I'm a little sensitive to people making decisions about tracks they've never been to based on the opinions of someone who knows someone who lived next door to someone who dumped his bike at that track.
Gateway would be a perfect example. Awful lot of people out there with very strong, vocal opinions about the track who have never even seen it. All they know is some guy (John Wascow) hit the wall there in '02 and nearly died. What they probably don't know is that John's serious injuries were from a rider behind him hitting him and not from John hitting an airfence protected wall - which can happen at virtually any track. I know this particular subject is still sensitive to a number of people so I'll back off for now.
I guess the way I look at it is that it's kind of like buying a car or truck based soley on the color. An educated decision always wins in my book!!
Never being to a track and being at a track almost every other weekend all season long and driving over to look at the layout of a track is very different. I can vouch for Hank being at Summit no less then 6 or 7 times this past season. I'm sure he has had plenty of opportunity to view the Shenendoah, or perhaps saw video of the track or saw photos of the track. It doesn't take rocket science to see how close the walls are.
Z,
you get some extra caffeine or what.
hank,
you get that bike fixed?
i have a surprise for you.
Quote from: leone on December 11, 2007, 08:29:52 PM
hank,
you get that bike fixed?
i have a surprise for you.
not yet
I saw this earlier in the thread, but nobody responded.... WTF happened to Roebling????
First Road Atlanta went away, please tell me that a Roebling date is in the works...
The mailer shows a Oct race at Summit
But this is not reflected on the on-line schedule
I know its tentative
Just wondering whats what...
I'm with Biv, what the dillio? The mailer has it as a double points round also, but the online schedule has the last VIR race (actually both VIR races) as the double point round.
Bueller???
I saw somewhere that Roebling sold the CCS date to WERA by mistake, and the CCS staff made the decision not to add a different date b/c there usually isn't a huge turnout. Plus the only dates available would have been just before or just after the WERA date and having dates at the same track that close kills entries. I think Eric posted this on the BBS somewhere.........
they should have only one Shenandoah event that would be ok with me.
it is a cheap weekend i use all my used tires
and if you never raced there don't complain about it being a no good track
race there then make the decision
sure there are things they could do to make it safer but there are things at most track that could be done for safty inprovements