So...who's gonna be a Yellow Plated Sand-Bagger, and who's going expert for '08?
Quote from: spyderchick on September 25, 2007, 03:01:23 PM
So...who's gonna be a Yellow Plated Sand-Bagger, and who's going expert for '08?
I am
I'm thinking about taking a few years off racing to practice at track days. :ahhh:
How many years do I need to take off before I come back as an AM??
Is it common for racer to move to expert without winning a race?
I will be AM in Florida region next year. 1st full season after running a few this year to get my feet wet.
Quote from: tstruyk on September 25, 2007, 03:21:51 PM
I'm thinking about taking a few years off racing to practice at track days. :ahhh:
How many years do I need to take off before I come back as an AM??
The magic number is two, or so I hear.
I have heard Buxton is coming back yeller :lmao: :lmao:
Quote from: tstruyk on September 25, 2007, 03:21:51 PM
I'm thinking about taking a few years off racing to practice at track days. :ahhh:
How many years do I need to take off before I come back as an AM??
Based on what I've seen, I think they'll let you back there now. ;)
well here's the guy to ask... Scott was it your 5th or 6th year as an Am that you decided to take the bump :ass:
LOL... you crashed at a track day trying to catch Probst :spank:
I'm struggling with the decision honestly. I did 2 weekends in '06 and this was my first real race season. I did all the SE races but the jennings rounds.
I preregistered for the whole SE region except jennings races so I started pole or front row in just about every race.
I've had a few top 5 finishes but mostly at less attended events like CMP or a less ran race like unlimGP on a non paying weekend.
I have a ton of points but I think it's more that I started up front and wasn't WAY off the pace than it is that I'm fast enough to run expert times. I did a lot of races and a lot of weekends and that's how I got all my points.
Part of me wants to stay back a year and gain more experience and hopefully some more speed but part of me wants to get a white plate and possibly get faster quicker. I just know it's a lot easier to stay yellow for another year than it is to go white and then wish you had stayed yellow.
Either way, I'm not going to be a pro racer so I'm leaning toward another year yellow but haven't fully made up my mind yet. :ahhh: :err: :wah:
:rollseyes:
Yes.... that and more!!???? :boink:
Quote from: tstruyk on September 25, 2007, 03:21:51 PM
I'm thinking about taking a few years off racing to practice at track days. :ahhh:
How many years do I need to take off before I come back as an AM??
Quote from: r1owner on September 25, 2007, 03:25:21 PM
Based on what I've seen, I think they'll let you back there now. ;)
You beat me to it Scott!! In Tim's case there isn't any doubt that all time limits would be waived!!! :ass:
I'll take a YPSB for 08 please.
Quote from: Hawk on September 25, 2007, 05:14:28 PM
I'll take a YPSB for 08 please.
You, my friend, are crusty, beat up coot, so we'll let you slide, just this once! ;)
I'm great out of the gate but not much for keeping the lead yet.
ypsb for me too please. ;)
I'd like to think I can finally be up for some contingency money next season if I stay an AM and imo I'm not good enough to be running a white plate yet despite my points
thinking I'm going to have to petition though....
Quote from: jgalt187 on September 25, 2007, 03:22:45 PM
Is it common for racer to move to expert without winning a race?
Yes.
Quote from: spyderchick on September 25, 2007, 05:57:18 PM
You, my friend, are crusty, beat up coot, so we'll let you slide, just this once! ;)
Thanks Alexa, I think...........
BTW, It looks like your creation will finally see the track tomorrow.
With any luck, to quote the Catman, the Hawk will fly again. I just hope the landing is a little softer than last year.
Quote from: jgalt187 on September 25, 2007, 03:22:45 PM
Is it common for racer to move to expert without winning a race?
...
Don't fear the White plates!Turning on rant mode!
Being an Expert racer is an Honor.
It means that you have pasted the point of being a new rider.
It has NOTHING to do with being fast, its about being safe and controlled.
If you are not winning races as a Yellow plate, chances are, you will not be winning again next year.
Each year, AMs come out of the wood work, that are stupid fast.
Some are control riders, some just ride a lot of trackdays ... or whatever.
Personally, I never won a race, AM or EX.
2006, racing almost took my life.
In 2007, I finished 2nd for me best finish ever!
An EX 2nd mean a whole lot more then an AM win to me.
So all you AMs, put down the letter to contest status, and step up.
Hell, you most likely will be passing me.
XIII
Oh, I'm sure if I don't move up, some folks will shoot me, such as Super Dave and Scotty. It's time, I'm ready. :thumb:
Face It...We are all losers... None of us are going anywhere anyway. Why even have plate colors, most races are combined and end up mixed by the 2nd lap anyways. :ahhh:
"The Trackday Whore"
After the horroably unlucky season I had this year... YPSB. But can I can I petition to do Friday BHF practice with the EX's?
Quote from: Jason748 on September 25, 2007, 09:19:03 PM
After the horroably unlucky season I had this year... YPSB. But can I can I petition to do Friday BHF practice with the EX's?
J--
I have determined that BHF practice days are evil and jinxed!
Should you be running in the front of amateur races, to be expert? I did a mix of wera and ccs races this year. I probably would have got 400 points had I done CCS the whole year. I run middle of the pack in the MW classes ('04 gsxr600) and have a good safety record. Like Sig, I did two weekends in 2006. 2007 was my first "full" season (mixed between clubs, but still got in almost 10 weekends)
Thoughts?
Quote from: supraking55 on September 25, 2007, 10:10:11 PM
Should you be running in the front of amateur races, to be expert? ...
No, just some balls.
Time to take off the panties guys.
I think once you race enough races and you have a feel for how the racing action is, what to do, enough skill to be consistent, etc... (IE: 500 pts or whatever it is), you should get the hell out of AM. That's enough experience. You could be at the top of your AM races, but you're still gonna get spanked in your EX race.
I've never won a race in my life, though in the late 90's I had a lot of 2nd place finishes both as an Amateur and an Expert. It seemed that everytime I was in a position to win something always happened, I was forced off the track by the 2nd place racer on the last lap, I ran out of gas with a lap and a half to go in a race that I was running away with (I led the entire race up to that point), I crashed from using a front tire 1 race too many, and on and on - it seemed it just wasn't meant to be for whatever reason.
In my opinion Expert status is a combination of knowledge and experience. Based on some really rough numbers I would guess I have somewhere around 15,000 race miles since I started racing in '96 - yet I will almost always be the last expert (or close). For a number of years I have not been in a position to spend the money required to go fast, yet I continue to participate in racing because I love to do it.
As Xian said, Expert status is an Honor, and it's an earned one at that. When I'm in a race with only other Experts I feel that I'm surrounded by other racers who have ability and respect for each other, who truely understand the risks involved in what we are doing. Something I've heard many times by new Experts is the comment "The biggest difference between Amateur and Expert is how smooth the Experts are while going REALLY fast". Take the last event at Blackhawk for example, on the Friday practice how many of the Amateur sessions were Red Flagged? The Amateur sessions seemed to be a crashfest while I was there, yet I never saw an expert session get Red Flagged, that speaks volumes to me.
Most racers who advance to Expert status are almost instantly faster once they do it. If your lacking confidence in your ability (knowledge and experience) then stay Amateur, if your motivations to stay Amateur are otherwise then I would be asking yourself if those motivations are truely in your best interest long term? This subject is one of the very reason's I believe there should NOT be any contingency or championships in the Amateur classes. Amateur status is for learning and developing your abilities, if your using it for something else then your missing what it's intended for.
Most people last about 3-1/2 season's in this sport (mostly due to going broke from racing), those of us who have been around a decade or more are rare. Unless you have a plan in place which will have you racing longer than the average you may want to consider this, when you leave this sport do you want to be able to brag to people how you got an Amateur championship and never went Expert, or would you like to have the personal accomplishment of knowning that you earned an Expert racer status and continued to develop your abilities as an Expert (even if you don't win a championship)? From what I have seen people with 1 to 3 years in the sport typically dump HUGE amounts of money into getting fast without planning ahead for their future in racing, that so often is what causes them to not be able to continue (constantly buying new tires, race fuel, lots of races, etc). If you don't have any long term goals in racing then maybe getting the Amateur championship(s) is the route for you, but if you do have long term goals as an Expert (or beyond) then developing your abilities as soon as your ready to make the jump to Expert will save you year(s) in the long run instead of continuing to doubt yourself by staying back when deep down inside you know your ready to advance.
Good luck in your decision either way. :cheers:
Great post! Really something to think about.
No comment. :cheers: (KC124)
a couple things were touched on as to why I would like to remain AM.
I was one racer away from getting a championship in Unlimited Superbike on my 05 600rr. And there was no way I could beat that racer in any of the classes we raced together in.
For GTO and MWGP I was a half step away from being in the top 3 for the season. But AM#66 took me out Hard in T6 at BFR which resulted in my second concusion in one month's time and it is a doozy.
I did well for my first year ever racing. I've only been riding on the track for not even a years time prior with Maybe 6 trackdays under my belt.
So in my book all that's a double negative or whatever you call it.
I want to stay AM so I can see if I can do what I did twice. Or better it.
Yes. I would like to see if I can win anything from it too as in contigency being as I got real close towards getting something for working hard at this racing thing. That would be cool
BUT... after reading a few replies during my breaks at work I've been pondering the white plate thing a lot.
And that's to go out there and race with racers that are more safe and calculated in their racing and not going all cut-throat like I've went through this season.
Some of the rude and down right Dangerous passes I've witnessed are just unreal.
Actually I should call them passes I should call them forces. because someone ramming their bike into mine to take my position isn't racing smart or safe.
so if I go EX it's to be in a more safe environment if that's even for real.
shieat. yeah, I should probably go expert because I have the entire circuit of experience now and I did rather well. Well enough that if I did go EX I wouldn't know one racer that would object it.
so am I being selfish to want to compare next years results with this years and possibly even do better?
I know for damn sure that if next season I miraculously became as fast as some of the AM's that did me in with their lap times this season I would bump myself up because that's just not fair to just go out there and dominate like there's no tomorrow because imo there's no challenge there and I'd rather go where there's a challenge.
Even down to the end of this season I was still finding racing AM was a challenge for me.
I did get better but grid positions helped with that along with the fact that I am good at starts.
ohh well. I'll have to ponder another rant later because my break is over and I have to get back to work.
It's all relative to your personal experience and learning curve, I did 2 seasons as an Amateur, but my entire 1st season I intentionally gridded at the back and worked the whole race to see how close to the front I could get (I went straight to racing - track days didn't exist back then). Then in my 2nd season I gridded at the front and did well, but I still learned alot that season as well by racing against the fastest racers. When I went Expert I was instantly faster and running with the front group at my very 1st event, which was a big accomplishment for me.
It all comes down to how YOU feel about it, if you feel you need more experince then you gotta do what you gotta do. If you feel that your a predictable rider, and especially if your within 120% of the lead Expert in your classes, then making the jump is probably the way to go. I think pride is a big issue in racing, so many people are so obsessed with being the best immediately that they aren't willing to take a step backward to gain 2 steps forward. What I mean by that is if you feel confident in YOUR ability, then go Expert and spend a season improving and look at being ready to contend for championships the following season (as a 2nd year Expert). Nothing says you have to grid at the front for your 1st Expert event, you could always just post enter and be mid pack on the grid and see how it goes.
With your previous results you might be suprised how well you will do as an Expert, but again it comes down to YOU making the decision for yourself, only you truely know if your ready or not. Go with what feels right! :thumb:
I can handle it no problem.
I'd just like to have a better sense of accomplishment before I claim an EX title.
To go up right now has me feeling like the filter from AM to EX is too loose and not geared towards step by step achievement. Like it's just a "bucket" rule if you catch my drift
ohh, BTW Mike, I respect your approach at racing with never being on the track prior.
that is how I handled my approach and working with yourself to start slow. It sure teaches you a bunch more than trying to remember what you did when you were going through an "oh shit" moment.
Its part of the natural learning progression. My expierence is that I was a little dejected my first year as an expert, b/c I had NO chance of running up front after having done that consistently as an amateur, was struggling in the bottom 1/3 of the pack, getting zero contingency, and had a crash trying to get up to speed too quickly.
It took me 2 years as an expert (and a year of doing team challenge -- good move) to get where I want to be. But this was my 3d season and I was running consistently in the top 5, won a race and got half a dozen podiums. Very satisfying seeing me get closer and race with talented guys. I'm not beating them, but I'm racing with them and we have a good camraderie. I have gotten a lot of satisfaction from that. This is the first season I've felt like an "expert", working on tires and set up to do better. The longer you put off the learning process of being a new expert, the longer it will take you to be a comfortable/competant expert.
Now my goal for next year is to run consistently in the top 3. For me, that is better than a slew of amateur "championships."
Great answers! I agree with the white plate being an honor. For me however, I have only raced 5-6 times over the past two years, so I don't have a choice. I have not earned enough points or been asked to move up, so I will have a yellow plate next year. My interest in this thread is because I think that at the end of next year(full season), I will be ready. I have spent a lot of time reading, talking to experienced people in racing, thinking, and improving my skills as a rider, so when the time comes I will gladly take a white plate. I would love to win a race in the process, but if I don't, oh well. My long term goals are to become a safe/fast racer, to enjoy racing as long as I can, and build a knowledge base that I can pass on to my son, if he decides to race.
The number one reason I would jump up as soon as possible, is because riding with fast guys will make you fast. I saw this first hand in motocross. I was killing guys in novice. I would have a half track lead and crash from goofing off, and get back up still in the lead. After getting enough points to win the championship, I tried a few advanced races. I got my ass handed to me in a gift wrapped box. lol In the off season I was lucky, and started getting invites to practice ride with some of the fast guys. I led the first race of the season for three laps in advanced before making a mistake, and finnished second. That second place was WAY better than all the 1st place novice trophies combined. Having guys, that I had no hope of beating the season before, coming up to me asking what I ate for breakfast was priceless, and worth every second of having my ass handed to me by my fast friends in practice.
the more I think about it the more a lot of the "move it on up" makes sense
question though,
does it go off of "points" or "adjusted points" ?
because I have over 500 points but only 300-some adjusted points.
To the best of my knowldege it's still simple points like it's always been, not the new adjusted points used for overall championships.
As per the 2007 CCS rulebook:
2.2 CCS LICENSE REQUIREMENT -
A. CCS Officials will issue Expert licenses to those riders with proven
experience or ability as follows:
(4.) Any Amateur Rider who scores 400 points within a 12 month
period.
after much though (ok ok waffling), consulting with fellow racers I think that I'll take the white plates - not that I would have any choice anyway with 707 pts, 16 podiums although with a lacklustre 515 perf. index. If I was to stay AM, I would feel compelled to go after a championship - cannot afford the time or money and stress to do that next year.
My gut feeling is that the AM MW LW crew this year was particularly fast and that we'll all be midpack or better experts next year anyway...
Thank you Mike.
I think I have to take the white plates to avoid abuse from my friends. Most of them are experts and I will permantently be the sandbagger in the group if I don't join them. I didn't win any races, I only had three podiums, but I did lead about 5 races, I got over 800 points and finished 5th for the season in MWSS despite only attending half of the Mid-Atlantic rounds AND racing an 01 F4i. I wish I had boutght a new bike for this past season and made it to more rounds. Maybe I'd have more plaques for my wall since I doubt I'll ever see one as an expert.
WHITE PLATES FOR ALL! I need people to race with at the back.
Jamie Ray to stay yellow plate..?? NO..!! I gotta ROLL..!! I only did 15 individual races for the year (4 weekends), and my friends/enemies will slash my tires if I keep a yellow plate!!
Wife says, "Go expert and get some $$, or you'll be back on a 89' CB-1!" :thumb:
That's how we ROLL!! :spank:
Quote from: Headdog122 on September 28, 2007, 10:39:56 AM
"...or you'll be back on a 89' CB-1!"
Hey, Ed Key won quite a few championships on his! CB-1s rule! :thumb:
Quote from: cornerjunkie on September 28, 2007, 09:33:33 AM
I think I have to take the white plates to avoid abuse from my friends. Most of them are experts and I will permantently be the sandbagger in the group if I don't join them. I didn't win any races, I only had three podiums, but I did lead about 5 races, I got over 800 points and finished 5th for the season in MWSS despite only attending half of the Mid-Atlantic rounds AND racing an 01 F4i. I wish I had boutght a new bike for this past season and made it to more rounds. Maybe I'd have more plaques for my wall since I doubt I'll ever see one as an expert.
WHITE PLATES FOR ALL! I need people to race with at the back.
Holy crap... Were you like AM #501......?? :wtf: That damn F4 was no joke. NO ONE PULLS ME ON MOTOR!! My bike is completely stock, filter, ecu, cheap as slip on and I have pulled everyone on motor except that damn F4... If you run that thing in MWSS, you need kicked in the DING DING..!!
:kicknuts:
BTW, Greg Bordeleau said you should have thanked me for not running you over in T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T7, T10, T14 (rear tire was a foot in the air), T15,T16...... :thumb:
Its all good in da hood.... I was going down the front straight thinkin... "How da foook did he get that bodywork on a 929..!!" :spank:
Quote from: spyderchick on September 28, 2007, 10:48:31 AM
Hey, Ed Key won quite a few championships on his! CB-1s rule! :thumb:
I "WON" a few trackdays on mine..!! :thumb:
Quote from: jgalt187 on September 27, 2007, 11:47:11 AM
Great answers! I agree with the white plate being an honor. For me however, I have only raced 5-6 times over the past two years, so I don't have a choice. I have not earned enough points or been asked to move up, so I will have a yellow plate next year.
Why not petition to move up?
I did that at the end of 1988. I never won a novice race, that's what we were referred to as then, but I saw no upside to continuing there. I asked to be moved up to expert. I raced well, but never had a ton of finishes in particular regions or with organizations to be moved up by their standards.
Honestly, I think more should request to be moved up rather than ask to kept in the lower class.
but then we'd have to repaint our bikes... :ahhh:
still don't have enough points. ::)
Yeah, that's me. IT IS STOCK!!!! Just a power commander, Hindle exhaust, and uni-filter. Tim Francis (RIP) experimented with fuel maps on his F4i and was nice enough to give me the one that worked best. Quite a noticeable difference when I started using it. The fuel map was from Erion Racing, I think. No motor work at all. It puts out 90 hp on the Factory Pro Mustang, just had it tested at Summit Point ASRA round. I had never tested it and I was curious. $10 well spent. The dyno guys said 90hp was good for a 2001, but a little underpowered compared to 2007 bikes. I usually use a good drive or a draft to pass on the straight, not that I did much passing on the straight. I mostly try to outbrake or carry cornerspeed on that bike since it is a little underpowered. Still liked reading how you thought it was a 929 though!
So thanks for not running me over. I was not late braking in that race? I am not always consistent but I am working on it.
Quote from: Headdog122 on September 28, 2007, 11:03:55 AM
Holy crap... Were you like AM #501......?? :wtf: That damn F4 was no joke. NO ONE PULLS ME ON MOTOR!! My bike is completely stock, filter, ecu, cheap as slip on and I have pulled everyone on motor except that damn F4... If you run that thing in MWSS, you need kicked in the DING DING..!!
:kicknuts:
BTW, Greg Bordeleau said you should have thanked me for not running you over in T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T7, T10, T14 (rear tire was a foot in the air), T15,T16...... :thumb:
Its all good in da hood.... I was going down the front straight thinkin... "How da foook did he get that bodywork on a 929..!!" :spank:
"IT IS STOCK!!!!"
Okay... I'll have to find the spark plug I lost while following you down the straight..... :thumb: I'm guessin you had the thing on "C" map..!! :boink:
Anyone want to buy my GSXR, I'm running honda now.....!! :err:
Maybe you just need to twist your wrist in the conrner instead of waiting for the straight. :ass:
I'am petitioning to the ccs office too be yellow again, think it will work, I've taken a 1.5 years off and had no track days and last time I ran I got my ass handed to me by this up and coming guy named Brian Hall.
QuoteMaybe you just need to twist your wrist in the conrner instead of waiting for the straight.
Umm.....I think that's kind of what he meant in regards to your 929, er I mean f4i....being as he almost ran you over in ....well every turn at VIR it sounds like. :lmao:
Quote from: cornerjunkie on September 28, 2007, 01:30:54 PM
Maybe you just need to twist your wrist in the conrner instead of waiting for the straight. :ass:
Ha! If there's one person who can match my drive out of a turn it's James Ray. And he definitely gets a pretty good drive out of 17A.
And I was pulling you on the exit of T10 at Summit, but as soon as we got out on the straight and higher into the gears you would just walk away from me. Like I was standing still. And my bike isn't fast by any means, but it isn't that slow either.
The ASRA dyno is way low. Somewhere around 10% to 15%
Joel, don't you have 98hp in ol' faithful?
In any case, I've done no engine work to it, it's stock. I've been told that the Factory Pro dyno is actual rear-wheel horsepower and that the dynojets correct for drivetrain loss and are supposed to estimate crankcase power. So, it's more like Dynojet reads high rather than Factory Pro reads low. The factory pro guys told me that my bike was slightly underpowered (at 90hp) compared to new 600s, but was pretty good for a 2001. They should know what they're talking about since they dyno bikes all day long.
By the way, I enjoyed racing with you guys and look forward to next year.
Yeah, but that was on a Dynojet Dyno. You have to factor in that 10% to 15% that I talked about a before.......
True. If you did 98hp on a dynojet, then my 90hp bike on a factory pro has a little more than your bike. But it's still stock unless somebody did some work I don't know about.
I feel like I need a little more experience. I am improving each time out, but not quite there, yet. I feel safe out there, but I don't want to get in the way. I would like my lap times to be fast enough that the fastest expert can't lap me in a 9 lap race.
Quote from: Super Dave on September 28, 2007, 11:14:11 AM
Why not petition to move up?
I did that at the end of 1988. I never won a novice race, that's what we were referred to as then, but I saw no upside to continuing there. I asked to be moved up to expert. I raced well, but never had a ton of finishes in particular regions or with organizations to be moved up by their standards.
Honestly, I think more should request to be moved up rather than ask to kept in the lower class.
Dammit spud, you need to bump! :)
I'll be a SBYP next year. I wasn't tearing it up in the yellow plates this year (my first year), so i don't see the need to move up, plus i didn't get close to enough points anyway.
I'm hoping thinking about racing all winter is enough to drop 4-5 secs off my lap times....if that happens, I'll think about asking for a bump. :P
Quote from: superspud on September 28, 2007, 12:15:08 PM
but then we'd have to repaint our bikes... :ahhh:
still don't have enough points. ::)
not like you weren't going to anyways ;)
I know mine needs a fresh paintjob after the last two race weekends :rolleyes:
not to mention it needing new # plate colors.......
yellow all the way!
Quote from: steve p on September 28, 2007, 08:42:55 PM
yellow all the way!
best of luck with that...
Championship Cup Series
Mid West Final Overall Championship Standings
As of September 25, 2007
Amateurs | Experts
AMATEUR SELECTIVE COMBINED POINTS Pos Adjusted Points Points Performance Index Name
1 1613.73 1912 844.0 DUSTIN BOYD, AURORA, IL. Pirelli,NESBA,DC-Decals,Loomis-Powerspor ts,Cycle-Path-Racing,Sharkskinz,Powersta
2 1381.76 1643 841.0 JASON RUNTE, WAUKESHA, WI. Suburban-Drywall,Wild-Inc-Motorgraphics, Vesrah,Pirelli,Silkolene,Vortex,PitBull,
3 1164.51 1481 786.3 AJ KRAUSE, FLUSHING, NY. Paul-Krause-Const,Pirelli,SharkSkinz,Vor tex
4 930.69 1273 731.1 RAY HOFMAN, WAUPUN, WI. Sam's-Well-Drilling,LP,Rush-Powersports, Lithium-Motorsports,Michelin,Vortex,Powe
5 737.95 886 832.9 STEVE PALELLE, HARVARD, IL. Michelin,Vesrah,Suomy,Ozaukee-Suzuki,Vor tex
...
yellow doesn't look bad with white either though.
yeah, sarcasm doesn't come through the web very well.
I'm going to go white plate just so I can finish one spot in front of that James Ray kid at barber.........of course then I'll have to skip the VIR rounds. :wah:
Ill be an expert next year. Getting my clock cleaned by batey/jensen/acree/junge/the rest of the top half on the national field. :wah:
Quote from: benprobst on September 30, 2007, 10:03:34 PM
Ill be an expert next year. Getting my clock cleaned by batey/jensen/acree/junge/the rest of the top half on the national field. :wah:
My great-grandmother who grew up in Bern, Switzerland use to tell me, 'Getting your clock cleaned is a gut ding!'
Quote from: cornerjunkie on September 28, 2007, 01:04:28 PM
Yeah, that's me. IT IS STOCK!!!! Just a power commander, Hindle exhaust, and uni-filter. Tim Francis (RIP) experimented with fuel maps on his F4i and was nice enough to give me the one that worked best. Quite a noticeable difference when I started using it. The fuel map was from Erion Racing, I think. No motor work at all. It puts out 90 hp on the Factory Pro Mustang, just had it tested at Summit Point ASRA round. I had never tested it and I was curious. $10 well spent. The dyno guys said 90hp was good for a 2001, but a little underpowered compared to 2007 bikes. I usually use a good drive or a draft to pass on the straight, not that I did much passing on the straight. I mostly try to outbrake or carry cornerspeed on that bike since it is a little underpowered. Still liked reading how you thought it was a 929 though!
So thanks for not running me over. I was not late braking in that race? I am not always consistent but I am working on it.
90 HP from and F4. I have been told my FZR should produce 95 hp in SS form and it is a 1991 some ten years older than your F4. I have also been told that it is all about the rider. Can you sense the sarcasm??
Mark
Quote from: Burt Munro on October 01, 2007, 12:02:04 AM
My great-grandmother who grew up in Bern, Switzerland use to tell me, 'Getting your clock cleaned is a gut ding!'
You know ...everytime I've had my clock cleaned it was a humbling experience... ::)
Rick your grandmother sounds like a wise person....
Quote from: roadracer22 on October 01, 2007, 11:35:21 AM
90 HP from and F4. I have been told my FZR should produce 95 hp in SS form and it is a 1991 some ten years older than your F4. I have also been told that it is all about the rider. Can you sense the sarcasm??
Mark
90HP on a Factory Dyno is probably like 102 or so on a Dynojet dyno.
Yeah, FZR600's were more powerful than the F2's in that era. 95HP in SS trim would be more than the 93HP that my F2 had in SS trim.
I am still down on power with my 630 kit FZR based on that info. I did find that this sucker drafts pretty good off the banks of Daytona. Bikes that I would pull up next to would run away from me, but if I get in their draft and get a run it was wonderful. Made several passes that way made headway through the infield and got a great drive out of the chicane leading onto the banking.
I would love to find out how much it weighs. Does the "one wheel on the scale" work?
Mark
forget the scale you need a back tire on that thing
Quote from: Ducmarc on October 01, 2007, 09:22:01 PM
forget the scale you need a back tire on that thing
Hahahaha...but you laugh everytime you see it on track.
A little birdie told me that a CB-1 rear wheel will bolt directly in the FZR swinger and an is SS legal because it is still 4.0". (Use the original honda cush, bearings, and rotor) Craziest thing I've ever seen.....!!
Man.. I'm full of useful information..!!
BTW... A well prepped FZR560 will put out 90+ hps.. and weigh less than 300lbs..... Want suma dat....?? :wtf:
I am looking at doing one up just to bring it out but I wonder about reliability and figure the motor-work would coast a mere $5000. Isn't that what speedwerks gets?
It will be fun though.
I am not sure what advantage the CB1 wheel will give me. I currently run a 155/635 18 from a 250gp bike on the rear, but it does look a little meager as compared to the 180 tire of a Ducati. I have also considered the GSXR750 wheel but I probably wouldn't be able to use it at my skill level.
Mark