So, the new site still sux!
Still can't change password.
Also, they have the Team/Solo events messed up. It seems that they have accidentally omitted the 2nd round at carolina motorsports park. In the dropdown list there are still 8 rounds, but it goes from Daytona (round 1) to HPT (round 2) which should actually be round 3.... This is confusing! It really looks like they have last year's (2006) schedule posted because I see Barber and Summit point on the schedule. Hmmm, don't they have lots of money and resources to get this website straight? I mean how hard is it? I guess I have to give them a call again.
Anyone know when they are going to mail out the cards?
First thing is that you have to re-register for your contingency program all over again, annoying but easy. Second you have to post your results on their site.
Here is the key different part. We, us racers, need CCS to log into the pirelli site and post the results and not just send them to them. It does not work that way any more. I will call tomorrow and see if they know about this change and have their login to post the official results.
Maybe pirelli did not give CCS folks the correct site or log-in. I will try to call tomorrow, as I still have not gotten my contingency from Carolina
Ivan
Carolina??? I havent gotten mine from VIR from the second week of March. It has results date of april 23rd, which is what I am assuming is the date they got the results from WERA. Rewards cards were SUPPOSED to be mailed BY April 30th. At this point I will be shocked if I see anything by middle or end of May. It's a shame, it shouldnt take 2 months to get your contingency.
I havent got my daytona certs yet!!!
twin sprint events???? do they pay both sprints????? cuz you can only enter 1 race on their site.
just the solo challenge. I haven't been doing sprints; too crazy and difficult to win on an underpowered machine
Ok, I just checked out the status of my claims on their crappy website.
Found out that my Daytona ASRA Solo Challenge (round1) claim was rejected. I can hardly believe this. There were 24 entries in that race and I took 2nd. I put lots of effort into that event/race. If pirelli is going to continue to give sh1tty racer support, I'm going to switch tire brands. This is totally not cool. They promised those debit cards would be mailed out april 30th, now its may 9th, no cards and they still haven't even got their website to function properly.
I tried calling Shelly Eliot at 706-368-5426 but she wasn't in. Left a message, hope she calls back.
At this point, right now, I feel like "F#ck pirelli..." :finger:
Quote from: zeroice on May 09, 2007, 01:16:00 PMFound out that my Daytona ASRA Solo Challenge (round1) claim was rejected.
Does it say why it was rejected?
Did you list Pirelli as a sponsor (it's one of the contingency requirements)?
I know you're upset but traditionally contingency payouts by most every company that pays have been slow coming. There are a few factors as to why this is the case and some are out of their control.
I'm still waiting for VP contingency for 2006, I doubt I'll ever see it.
Moving to a different tire because your upset at the time it takes to receive contingency would be a mistake IMHO.
Pirelli has an awsome tire this year and you may not find the "contingency grass" any greener somewhere else.
It didn't say why it was rejected.
Pirelli is always listed as my 2nd sponsor after my main sponsor. And I always turn the sponsor list in before the race, usualy to tech while I'm getting my tech inspection. Funny thing is the sponsors aren't listed in the Daytona results (http://www.ccsracing.com/results/2007/030207%20DIS%20ASRA%20TC%2007.htm (http://www.ccsracing.com/results/2007/030207%20DIS%20ASRA%20TC%2007.htm)), not sure why. Maybe that's why it was rejected?
But they are listed in my CMP results, http://www.ccsracing.com/results/2007/041507%20CMP%20TC%20Results.htm (http://www.ccsracing.com/results/2007/041507%20CMP%20TC%20Results.htm)
Not sure if Pirelli sees the same results that we do... Any opinions?
Seems like the Pirelli site still has the wrong Team/Solo Challenge 2007 schedule; looks a lot like the 2006 schedule. So I can't claim the correct races...
I've done my job, they should do theirs!
Quote from: zeroice on May 09, 2007, 03:53:08 PM
It didn't say why it was rejected.
Pirelli is always listed as my 2nd sponsor after my main sponsor. And I always turn the sponsor list in before the race, usualy to tech while I'm getting my tech inspection. Funny thing is the sponsors aren't listed in the Daytona results (http://www.ccsracing.com/results/2007/030207%20DIS%20ASRA%20TC%2007.htm (http://www.ccsracing.com/results/2007/030207%20DIS%20ASRA%20TC%2007.htm)), not sure why. Maybe that's why it was rejected?
I bet that is the problem, contact Eric Kelcher at Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us to see if you can get the mix-up straightend out. I believe you are suppose to turn in your sponsor list to registration not tech. If your sponsor list was not uploaded for Daytona when they searched the data base for contigentcy requirements then it is likely your results were not submitted because a requirement was missing.
Quote from: zeroice on May 09, 2007, 03:53:08 PM
Not sure if Pirelli sees the same results that we do... Any opinions?
No, they don't. They go by what CCS sends to them.
Quote from: zeroice on May 09, 2007, 03:53:08 PM
Seems like the Pirelli site still has the wrong Team/Solo Challenge 2007 schedule; looks a lot like the 2006 schedule. So I can't claim the correct races...
I've done my job, they should do theirs!
My guess is that ASRA sent them what they had for the TC schedule at the time Pirelli requested it (maybe they only had 2006 at the time), which may have been during web site construction during the off season. When the 2007 schedule was finalized it was probably not communicated to the Pirelli web master. Pirelli probably wasn't on the look out for a change because they thought they had a good schedule. Just a guess but probably not too far off.
Remember, you will attract more bees with honey than vinegar :thumb:
Sorry if I sound upset... Don't mean to be so negative.... Sometimes I just get so frustrated.
Team_Serpent, I know you were at Daytona. You know how much of a pain it is to go ALLLL the way outside the track to get to registration!
But actually now that I think of it, I filled the sponsor list out while I was waiting in line at registration and turned it in there? Not 100% sure if I turned it in there. I know I filled one out, no doubt about that.
Ok spoke with Pirelli today.
They thought the Team/Solo challenge all ran on the same weekends as ASRA sprints ran, they don't, so they are correctling their website with another dropdown for that series.
Another thing Pirelli needs your SSN number reported from us in order to correctly identify you into their system. If you did not provide a SSN number (or EIN) to us then your results would not be uploaded.
The information that is reported to them is going to be done once this year get it right the first time; with a sponsor list, product usage, stickers, contingency tech inspection; they are holding to the 30 day policy that is in place that they need the info within 30 days of the event. We are going to electronic transfer of information and normally that means Pirelli will have the information from us by the Thursday following the event (if I am traveling it may be the Wed of the week after).
The cards have been printed by Am-Ex and just verifying that everything is working as it should and they will be sent out shortly.
Thanks for the update Eric
I noticed that my Dayton results have now been Validated
Zeroice, sorry you're having the problem, I know how frustrating things like this can be.
Spoke with Pirelli again. This is what has been sorted out. Rider must register once and have a valid US SSN or EIN number. Rider will claim their winnings after I have submitted them to Pirelli, I will be doing it electronically now to speed stuff up both in getting to them and hopefully it will be a cut and paste into the new payout program.
Now onto the point of this thread
It appears that Krishna's name is in the system twice (registered twice maybe?) and the payout is under the other name/SSN or it shut out his name from the system due to a perceived hack, unsure at this point but they are looking into that.
As for CMP team/solo challenge, the system was set up as the national pro side and not the regional club side. The contingency was done for the 8 National pro events (there are 8 sprint dates and 8 endurance dates 4 of which are on the same weekend, so 4 that do not overlap) and the 61 regional events. The system is set for 8 ASRA events but there are 12 but the budget and all the paperwork think the 8 sprint and 8 endurance run together so to fix this we are going to have the remaining TC events linked under the ASRA pro sprint races for the payouts. IE
Supplement Round 4 (TC Roebling) for ASRA VIR payment
Supplement Round 6 (TC Blackhawk) for ASRA Barber payment
Supplement Round 7 (TC VIR) for ASRA Summit payment
This is being done from this date forward as it was just discovered and how to make this right for the riders for the rest of the year.
Thank you Pirelli for working to insure that our riders can have another option for tires at these events with money available to them.
They need to fix their dropdown menus that show the tracks when you enter results, so you can see the dates, because if you pick the wrong one you don't know it untill you actually enter the results.
Okay we sorted out CMP TC payouts we are going to resubmit with the Summit Point ASRA round on Memorial Day weekend and they will be under that tab. So it will be a little longer before they are paid but they are being taken care of. So round 2 of TC will under round 3 of ASRA sprints.
Eric,
Thank you very much for being our advocate!
How soon should we expect Pirelli stuff from the ASRA and CCS event In HPT that took place In April? Also Blackhawk May 12-13th. Just wondering mainly about HPT. Thanks
That mail must be slow since Pirelli Supposedly was mailing the cards by April 30th. Post up when you receive yours. Pirelli people ,if you reading this how about an update.Inquiring minds want to know.
Eric? Any idea on this? Thanks
still have not recieved mine, it still says "waiting for results from org"
???
Mine said it was validated from Daytona, but I have not received anything yet. Isn't there like a card or something they are issuing?
Hey guys, the Pirelli people don't read this board. The 2 people that I talked to at Pirelli, some manager guy Richard, was somewhat familiar with the club name. The other person that does all the leg work (took Debra Penro's position), Shelley Elliot, never heard of CCS or ASRA till I called...
I havent got my card yet. Nor has my Daytona certs been validated.
I know they have a problem w/ my account such as no SSN and there being a second username registered under my name (maybe my mistake if I re-registered). In any case, its been a week and it seems that my stuff still hasn't been fixed. Its getting close to the next race and I'd like to spend those certs on a set of tires... These certs wont be good if the season is over... :err:
I got an email from shelley 2day... I was inquiring about twin sprints.. they r only paying for the sunday round of twins @ HPT. BOOOO!
Got my Pirelli card in the mail today (with contingency from Daytona).
That's news to me about Pirelli only paying the second of twin sprint races. Is that written somewhere?
That's news to me about Pirelli only paying the second of twin sprint races. Is that written somewhere?
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I have no clue.. I thought they were paying both sprints.. I got 5th in the Unl. Supersport on Saturday and 5th on Sunday.. she said I will only get my contingency for Sunday. I don't know. Im pretty new to getting anything at all so..
Card received yesterday
Mine STILL says "Waiting on club/org. to send results" for CMP round!
I have no idea on why it says waiting on club/org to send results it must mean it is still in process.
As of today all contignecy reporting has been sent out for all rounds.
For Pirelli we have electroncially transferred information for May rounds.
As to the payout for twin sprint rounds they contacted me about it, awaiting final word.
Shelly just called me back. She said she received the results from CCS, she just has to enter them into the system, a report will be run on Friday and there's a good chance our cards from BHF will be here by the end of next week. 8)
I just got my Daytona card in the mail. Seems like everything is sorting out. Got my SSN fixed too...
I also jus talked to shelley 5 minutes ago and re-explained the ASRA sprint vs TC scheduling differences. She said that she'll make sure I get paid for round 2(CMP) and 3(HPT) when the cards go out this friday.
Cards are supposed to mail out every 2 weeks from now on. So, starting this friday and every other friday thereafter, new cards will be mailed out.
:thumb: :thumb:
Quote from: cbrf4_269 on May 22, 2007, 02:22:44 PM
Mine STILL says "Waiting on club/org. to send results" for CMP round!
Most of the classes at CMP didn't have enough riders to pay. In the past Pirelli has always paid anyway , but it looks like they aren't this year. I only got about half of what I should have from CMP.
Arnie, yeah, the pay cut does suck. Seems like they made some internal changes. Wonder how it is with the other brands like bridgestone, dunlop and michelin... Guess I'll look into it...
Quote from: ahastings on May 22, 2007, 10:54:50 PM
Most of the classes at CMP didn't have enough riders to pay. In the past Pirelli has always paid anyway , but it looks like they aren't this year. I only got about half of what I should have from CMP.
Yeah, unfortunatly the grid started with the min that they requeire, but that is not how many finished. I will just wait and see what happens. I figured there was a chance they would not pay out, it is what it is.
Okay just few things
Pirelli will be paying on the second running of races on twin sprint events.
Min field numbers are based on the grid size for the race ie if someone crashed out or for whatever reason they are not scored they cannot earn contingency but are still part of the reported competitors for the race.
If you have questions about contingency reporting/status use this form (http://www.ccsracing.us/forms/2007/contingency/contingency%20status%20report%20form.pdf) and fax or email it to contingency@ccsracing.us Our goal is to have all reports out no more than two weeks after an event most are out the same week.
Eric,
Thanks for all your hard work and due diligence.
If CCS can meet the goal of submitting results within 2 weeks of an event you will probably set a new standard for motorcycle racing organizations. It will also be a huge benefit to racers competing at CCS events.
Thank you!
thank you for your hard work... much appreciated!
Yes thank you very much Eric and I do appreciate all the work you do. :)
Thanks for all of your help Eric, I am sure it is something with Pirelli at this point, I will call them
Has anyone received their card for the Heartland Park round yet? :banghead:
No and you may want to see if they even got your results. :rolleyes: Pirelli told me they received the results from HPT but that my name was not in them. So now it's back to CCS.
Quote from: SuperSpud on May 22, 2007, 03:56:36 PM
Shelly just called me back. She said she received the results from CCS, she just has to enter them into the system, a report will be run on Friday and there's a good chance our cards from BHF will be here by the end of next week. 8)
get your card yet?
I haven't got mine that were supposed to be mailed out on 5/25. I just called Shelley, she's going to look into it and call AmEx to find out whats up, then call me back... 8)
Today is 6/5/07
As you can read my last post, I called her Friday and she said she'd look into it and call me back quickly. Today, Tuesday still no call back. I called again today and left a follow-up message... Also tried calling several times from different phone numbers just in case she is screening her calls.
Still no cards in the mail... No even sure if my contingency card from Daytona will work because when I talked to her Friday, she asked if I had recieved any cards recently and I said no. She called AmEx and told me that she canceled my card for daytona. I said no, don't cancel that one, just check into my other contingency from rounds 2 and 3. She said She'd call back but never did...
She sounded awfully confused about this whole Team/Solo Challenge schedule being different that the normal ASRA schedule... I think she is clueless.
ARRRGGHHH!!!!!
I'm so frustrated!!! I need that contingency to buy tires. The season is almost half way through and I can't spend anything. WTF??? Why is pirelli so incompetent? Why can't they get their Team/Solo schedule fixed? How hard is it? Seriously! they got deep pockets and plenty of talent.
Pirelli, if you can read this, get it fixed!!! Please!
not paying for all the sprints in twin sprints kinda sucks. :(
I just checked the status on mine and it says that 1 of the races from Heartland was validated but the other is still "waiting....." The other was validated on June 3rd. wonder why both didn't get validated?????????
None of mine have been validated. Between HPT, Blackhawk, and MAM I have 12 wins and no money or cards yet... I left a couple messages for Shellie and am still waiting for a call back...
Quote from: red900 on June 05, 2007, 07:30:34 PM
None of mine have been validated. Between HPT, Blackhawk, and MAM I have 12 wins and no money or cards yet... I left a couple messages for Shellie and am still waiting for a call back...
glad you won't be at Hastings.. You won't be at Hastings right?? haha.. my turn for a win dammit.. ha ha
As of 6/5, all of my HPT and BHF results have been validated and waiting the next payout date which is estimated to be at the end of ... NEVER!? It's probably Amex's fault.
None of my stuff is validated yet....go figure....still waiting....and waiting.....
What does this mean: "Results validated. Reward card to be mailed on pay out date"
Of course the legend/key has no explanation of what a "pay out date" is or when that may happen.
Quote from: jgordon on June 06, 2007, 12:48:35 PM
What does this mean: "Results validated. Reward card to be mailed on pay out date"
It means - The results have been validated and the reward card will be mailed on the pay out date. :lmao: sorry, couldn't resist :biggrin:
Quote from: jgordon on June 06, 2007, 12:48:35 PMOf course the legend/key has no explanation of what a "pay out date" is or when that may happen.
True, there is no explanation.
Things are working smoothly for me on this contingency program. I post my results, they are validated within a reasonable time period and the card comes in the mail shortly there after.
Quote from: jgordon on June 06, 2007, 12:48:35 PM
What does this mean: "Results validated. Reward card to be mailed on pay out date"
Of course the legend/key has no explanation of what a "pay out date" is or when that may happen.
According to Shelley the next payout date is June 8th. I think if the class doesn't have enough riders it will continue to say" waiting on results..." which sucks because Pirelli has always paid in years past even when the grid was below the required number of 8 riders.
Please take note of this post, because it should answer a majority of the questions.
1) First you must register for the Pirelli web site. If you registered for contingency last year, you should be able to use the same login/password. In the event you forgot your login/password, you may either re-register or request a new password.
http://www.us.pirelli.com/web/loginCookie/startAction.do?membership=pm_contingency_web_registration
2) Then you must "register" for the contingency program. This means nothing more than completing a profile (which includes SS# and home address). This information is needed for taxt purposes, as well as to mail out the cards.
3) You must enter your results. The bike information is optional. The easiest way to enter your results is click on the FIND MY RESULTS button and enter the Series, Race Type, Class, Category, and Date range (allow for a couple days before, and a couple days after.) Once the results come up, select the TRACK that applies, and then click on the link beside your PLACE.
4) The results from the race organizations can arrive as late as 15-30 days from the event that takes place. It takes approximately 3-5 business days to "Validate" the results. This comprises an import of the results from the race organization, and a "comparison" of the data. If YOU claimed 2nd, and the race organization has you placed in 2nd, then you given out that earned reward.
5) Validation does take time, because if you consider, there are about 25 organizations whose staff prepares the results in different formats. It must be validated, otherwise, there is a risk of paying out the reward YOU deserve to someone else.
6) The cards are mailed once every 2 weeks, beginning April 30th. It takes 1 business day for the card provider to generate the cards, and about 2 business days for them to be delivered. Any and all rewards you have earned in the two week period is compiled into one card for the total amount. This card can be used at any authorized Pirelli race tire vendor, and the card expires 6-months from the issue date. You can obtain balance by visiting the website on the back of the card, or calling the number listed in the same place.
7) If you have questions, please send an email to contingency@pirelli.com. Please be as specific as possible with your issue, and include information such as your telephone number, so that you may be reached if necessary.
8) Look forward to a great season!
I have done all that and have recieved one card so far, but why does it still say waiting on results after some classes for the same weekend that I got paid for other classes. Shouldn't it say something else.
Could it say waiting on results because you didn't earn anything in that class? I don't know as I can't check so someone tell me what it says if you go to a class you didn't run, didn't finish high enough in, or there were not enough riders for min field (8)requirement.
1 of mine says "waiting....." cuz there were only 7 riders.... not enough.
i did all of that and also sent an email to that email address with no response.
Quote from: racer911 on June 11, 2007, 10:18:21 AM
i did all of that and also sent an email to that email address with no response.
Bobby send me an email with event and classes you are wiating on info for and I can check what was reported for you and if it is missing I can research it.
still waiting....nothing validated yet....
Quote from: Eric Kelcher on June 11, 2007, 12:27:52 PM
Bobby send me an email with event and classes you are wiating on info for and I can check what was reported for you and if it is missing I can research it.
email sent. thanks!
I've done all that too and more... The one contingency card that I recieved from Daytona was canceled when I tried to use it. Someone fucked up and accidentally canceled it. Left shelley 4 messages in the past 2 weeks, no response.
I got one of mine (the other not validated because of grid size.. im assuming) from HPT.
got a new card for Daytona today... hope it works. These guys are funny. What a waste of time.
I've got to list as a sponsor too?
Shit! I won two races last weekend and I'm gonna get bupkis.......which is what I usally get contingencywise from anyone.
Anyway to fix this after the race event is now over?
Just got my Pirelli card in the mail from May Blackhawk. New program seems to work just fine.
still waiting for results to be validated.
Mine says 'waiting for club/org to send results'
One race was at the beginning of April! :wtf:
Mine said they were validated before last BHF. Now I'm still waiting for my cards. I guess if they don't come tomorrow I'll just call again. I submitted my results before CCS did. :banghead:
i give up Pirelli can kiss my ass
Shelley told me to send her the paper work she needed and she would confirm everything with CCS
well that was over 3 weeks ago and she hasn't gotten back to me and i have left her 2 messages and 2 emails in the past 2 weeks
I'm in the exact same boat as gary...
It is working for me. I have recieved 2 cards so far over $2000 total worth.
Quote from: zeroice on June 15, 2007, 03:59:21 PM
I'm in the exact same boat as gary...
+1 and this is getting really old
Quote from: ahastings on June 15, 2007, 04:14:20 PM
It is working for me. I have recieved 2 cards so far over $2000 total worth.
Now that is just outright bragging Mr. Hastings!
As a not so talented, way slow - can't go fast to save my life rookie white plate racer I'm thrilled with my meager $40.00 Pirelli card.
George
I couldn't help myself, but I run at least 8 races a weekend and race at least twice a month.
i just spoke to shelly. she told me that the system was having a problem recognizing any entrant with a social security number that starts with a zero (like mine), which is why the results have not been validated. she said they are working on the problem and should have it resolved within the next couple of days, and the next round of cards mailed out this friday. i really hope this does it.
Seems their system missed my validated May results too. Richard said wait 10 more days and then send an email if they still don't come. :banghead:
On the plus side, I'm probably have a free set of tires by time they finally send out the cards and after two race weekends I'm still running on mostly the original set I bought. :lmao:
At least shelley is calling you back... Gary and I never get our phone calls returned!
Quote from: zeroice on June 19, 2007, 03:40:05 PM
At least shelley is calling you back... Gary and I never get our phone calls returned!
oh i've left messages and emails and she's never called me back. i just kept trying until i got her.
I spoke with Shelley today she was away do to a medical emergency she is now back in the office and she is working on fixing everything
she did say she had a few email address there and it is taking her some time to check everything
so maybe try giving her a call during the day this week
Quote from: Garywc on June 19, 2007, 08:12:36 PM
I spoke with Shelley today she was away do to a medical emergency she is now back in the office and she is working on fixing everything
she did say she had a few email address there and it is taking her some time to check everything
so maybe try giving her a call during the day this week
hey gary stop your bellyaching. this is bobby by the way.
Gary, did you call shelley or did she call you?
Cuz I thought you gave up on pirelli, ie you fill out forms or call them anymore.
If she called you, I'm jelous... I left her just as many messages as you did! LOL
I have noting to do with all my time but complain bobby (sandbagger)
I called her which now she hasn't called me back like she said she was so i may try to call her to see if she is going ot get me paid since i didnt fill out all the forms correctly so if i dont get any money its my own fault. but she could at least call back with an answer either way
well I Shelley called me back and straightened everything out. as far as what i did correctly and what was not filled out. so now after talking to Eric at CCS all my paperwork should be ok for the rest of the season as long as i fill out my papers at tech.
and as far as collecting for the rest of the rounds of the solo challenge if i should place in the top 3 Shelley told me to call her after round 6 and 7 because the site doesn't have them listed and she said she don't think they are paying for road America. as far as which races besides the solo i am not sure.
Anybody get the June 9th Blackhawk stuff validated yet?
NO :wtf: :banghead:
I have a question I cant even make a profile and after 5 calls and email to Richard
still no help anyone Ive registered when the second page comes up it says
no profile has been created https://www.pirelli.com/Contingency/profile.aspx
Help
John
Quote from: Beaz on August 02, 2007, 07:01:45 PM
I have a question I cant even make a profile and after 5 calls and email to Richard
still no help anyone Ive registered when the second page comes up it says
no profile has been created https://www.pirelli.com/Contingency/profile.aspx
Help
John
call shelley elliot, 706-368-5426.
I finally got all my contingency this week. no bs, i got the cards! I called repetitively to her phone and finally got her. She is very kind and helpful, just a little forgetful. Anyways, tell her your problem and she'll help you out.
i had the problem where somehow there were 2 profiles created and they conflicted, but she got on the phone with some guys in italy (webmasters) and got it straightened out. Took a few days of discussion back and forth, but it is now straight...
old thread, but related. Pirelli made my tire choice easy for this year. No resolution to the contingency from them. Fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice........
I will not do a third year with Pirelli after being screwed for the second year in a row.
Thank you, come again