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Title: Transponder Mounting
Post by: CCS765 on February 08, 2007, 02:39:27 PM
I have one of the black plastic transponder mounting brackets.  When mounted on the bikes tail section, which orientation is correnct or does it even matter?  Thanks

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Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Super Dave on February 08, 2007, 02:41:41 PM
Doesn't matter.  It transmits a radio code.  I've even place mine on the bottom of the tail bodywork.  Some have even put them inside the tail.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Eric Kelcher on February 08, 2007, 04:39:55 PM
Top of the tail, centerline of axle (aprox), with transponder slide in from the front so it hits the stops on the back with lights aimed backwards.

That does several things the radio signal is directional and comes out the bottom of the transmitter strongest, the lights are aimed backwards so pit out can quickly verify that your unit is working and by having it slide in from the front you are less to hav ethe transmitter get knocked or vibrated forward and lost on track/paddock.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: EX_#76 on February 08, 2007, 05:29:49 PM
If you have a carbon fiber tail section, mount it under the bodywork or your signal strength will be reduced and the tower will mwke you move it so you get scored.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: loc_dogg on February 08, 2007, 07:22:54 PM
My UNIT always works! Ya what they said! How do have white plates and not know how to mount your transponder?  :err:
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sobottka on February 08, 2007, 07:39:19 PM
Quote from: loc_dogg on February 08, 2007, 07:22:54 PM
How do have white plates and not know how to mount your transponder?  :err:
ooops...
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: paco on February 11, 2007, 06:34:51 PM
Do they issue this transponder mount at the track? If not, how do I get mine before going to the track? It would be less painless mounting it at home in the garage before the high stress track day. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sobottka on February 11, 2007, 07:07:19 PM
yes, i think at registration for $5 (first one may be free). just bring zip ties, a cordless drill and some bits. it only takes a couple minutes   
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: paco on February 11, 2007, 10:23:47 PM
Rob,

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Eric Kelcher on February 11, 2007, 11:03:32 PM
Quote from: EX_#76 on February 08, 2007, 05:29:49 PM
If you have a carbon fiber tail section, mount it under the bodywork or your signal strength will be reduced and the tower will mwke you move it so you get scored.

If you do have the underseat carbon fiber exhaust cans (Ducati water cooled, BMW R1x00S seem to be the bigger problem bikes R1, 600RRs not so much) or are told by scoring that there is a strength issue with your transmitter mount location then it should be mounted in a tech approved alternate location and there is a pouch type mount that allows for mounting the transmitter in differnet location and having the antennae pointed down.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sig on February 12, 2007, 06:13:54 PM
I've seen a lot mounted to the draft shield under the tail, facing backwards, with no issue.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Team_Serpent on February 12, 2007, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: CCS765 on February 08, 2007, 02:39:27 PM
I have one of the black plastic transponder mounting brackets.  When mounted on the bikes tail section, which orientation is correnct or does it even matter?  Thanks

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Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: CCS765 on February 12, 2007, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: loc_dogg on February 08, 2007, 07:22:54 PM
How do have white plates and not know how to mount your transponder?  :err:

Florida region did not use transponders until this year (except at Daytona and I could not remember from when I was there last year...I'm old and senile).

Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Team_Serpent on February 12, 2007, 11:45:39 PM
Hold on!  I may have told you the wrong way, it may be fine as is pictured.  It's hard to tell from the cropping of the pic which is the rear of the tail.  Can the back part of the seat be seen in the picture or is that the back point of the tail?
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: CCS765 on February 13, 2007, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Team_Serpent on February 12, 2007, 11:45:39 PM
Hold on!  I may have told you the wrong way, it may be fine as is pictured.  It's hard to tell from the cropping of the pic which is the rear of the tail.  Can the back part of the seat be seen in the picture or is that the back point of the tail?


The back part of the seat is to the left in the photo.  I mounted it the way you said (180 from the photo) with transponder slide pointed towards the seat.  It worked out fine last weekend at Homestead.  Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sig on February 13, 2007, 05:48:19 PM
Sweet, I didnt' know FL was going to have transponders this year!!
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Team_Serpent on February 13, 2007, 11:26:25 PM
Phew, cool, glad it worked out
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: ipscer on February 21, 2007, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: Paco on February 11, 2007, 06:34:51 PM
Do they issue this transponder mount at the track? If not, how do I get mine before going to the track? It would be less painless mounting it at home in the garage before the high stress track day. Thanks in advance.

I also would like to mount the bracker before coming to the track. Just permits me one less thing to fool with.

Any Chance CCS will let us buy it before hand i.e through the mail.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Grashopr on February 28, 2007, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: ipscer on February 21, 2007, 07:26:20 PM
I also would like to mount the bracker before coming to the track. Just permits me one less thing to fool with.

Any Chance CCS will let us buy it before hand i.e through the mail.

+1.   I'd like to purchase one prior to the first date...  how could we go about this?
And for those of us in the GP area..    is TrackAddix going to be using the same type of transponder as the CCS-ran events at HPT and RA?  If not, where can we get a mounting bracket for the TA transponders?
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sobottka on March 01, 2007, 01:17:59 PM
get your transponder mount @ the track.... if you dont have time to mount it ( a couple zip ties) your in deep doo doo  :thumb: :lmao:
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: tstruyk on March 01, 2007, 03:07:51 PM
GP series uses AMB transponders, if you have one... bring it.  If not you can get one at the track, along with a bracket.  they ziptie to your fork, and you return the bracket when you return your transponder.  you CAN buy the bracket if you choose to, your call.

Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Grashopr on March 01, 2007, 03:55:39 PM
They Zip-Tie to your fork?  Or your tail?  If I am going to be drilling holes in the tail, I'd prefer to do that at the shop, not at the track.  if all I have to do is zip-tie it to the fork, that's definitely something do-able at the track.   
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sobottka on March 01, 2007, 05:43:00 PM
 both- track addix uses the kind (amb) that zip tie to your forks, ccs uses the kind (?) that goes on the tail somewhere... either way its a couple zip ties and maybe drilling a couple holes in your bodywork.......
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: catman on March 01, 2007, 07:43:28 PM
----- :err: :pop:A HIGH STRESS TRACKDAY :err:
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sobottka on March 01, 2007, 08:39:15 PM
what are you guys gonna do if you have to change a tire before a race? run back to the shop?
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Grashopr on March 01, 2007, 11:13:58 PM
Quote from: robsob on March 01, 2007, 08:39:15 PM
what are you guys gonna do if you have to change a tire before a race? run back to the shop?

If that's the only way to get it done.  Why, are they not going to allow us to get ahold of tires before we show up at the track either?
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sobottka on March 02, 2007, 11:40:31 AM
i think you missed my point... you have to work on your bike at the track some... change tires, brakes,bleed brakes, clutch, crash dammage etc.  your transponder is a 5 min job
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Grashopr on March 02, 2007, 03:14:27 PM
I understand...  you just need to remember that my first race this year is going to be my first race ever, and it's pretty nerve-racking thinking that everything isn't 100% ready to go when I get to the track. 

The fact that it's an ASRA event, plus double region gives me the indication that there's going to be allot going on and ideally, I'd like to be as prepared as possible about 3 weeks prior to actually leaving (even though I live about 10 minutes away from HPT).  I remember my first dirt race, and even though I knew people there, there were things that came up in tech inspection and pre-race stuff that could have been handled had I known.  I dont want to end up missing anything because I either didnt' do something right, or I missed something that ends up getting me booted from tech.

If there is any way for me to buy myself an extra couple of minutes by doing something at home prior to the race, it'd make me feel a WHOLE TON better if I could get it done.  The chance that I'll forget a cordless drill, drill bits and zip-ties the morning of are enough of a reason to attempt to do this at home.  But if the only way is at the track, then we'll do it at the track.


I do appreciate you guys helping us newbies out.  Just stressing out a bit.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: catman on March 02, 2007, 04:05:54 PM
IN CASE of emergency( first raceweekend)     1 Smile   2tell someone your new and need a lil guidance or assistance- 3 enjoy and good luck(stay safe) your gonna love it and even more if you can pack the bike  :thumb:up in 1 piece! 4  8)relax! john
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Sobottka on March 02, 2007, 04:37:14 PM
just take a couple deep breaths... there will be plenty of people willing to help if you forget something or get caught off guard. if you have already done your basic race prep on the bike you will have plenty of time and should be fine  :thumb:
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Grashopr on March 02, 2007, 04:40:04 PM
I'm hoping to get someone in the know to look over the bike at the HPT trackday on 4/19 to see if there is anything obvious that will push me out of tech prior to the 4/26 run, but I'm sure there will be something stupid that I forget.  Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Super Dave on March 02, 2007, 05:20:02 PM
16th, Phil.  Don't be alone... :biggrin:
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Super Dave on March 02, 2007, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: Grashopr on March 02, 2007, 03:14:27 PM
If there is any way for me to buy myself an extra couple of minutes by doing something at home prior to the race, it'd make me feel a WHOLE TON better if I could get it done. 
Phil, I've got an extra bracket for the CCS transmitter.  I can bring it to Topeka, if you remind me in a couple weeks, like the warmers too...LOL!...and you'll have it.  Two holes and a zip tie.  The AMB trasmitter will go on your fork, and that doesn't require any drilling.  You'll be good.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: Grashopr on March 02, 2007, 05:57:53 PM
Is it the 16th?!?!    See!   I would have showed up on Thursday for Monday's trackday.    :sleeping2:

Awesome on the transmitter bracket.  I'll see you at HPT one way or the other.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: DougK on May 17, 2007, 12:41:10 PM
Ok, I gotta ask.  What is the scoop on transponders for CCS?  Is CCS using two different transponders depending on the region??  Different mounting then what the rulebook says?  Is there a switch to the AMB transponders for the whole org?  Can I use my AMB transponder in the MA region?
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: r1owner on May 19, 2007, 07:05:57 PM
Quote from: DougK on May 17, 2007, 12:41:10 PM
Ok, I gotta ask.  What is the scoop on transponders for CCS?  Is CCS using two different transponders depending on the region??  Different mounting then what the rulebook says?  Is there a switch to the AMB transponders for the whole org?  Can I use my AMB transponder in the MA region?

Not sure in your region, but... I think every region but the GP region uses the Westhold transponders.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: gixxerlvr on October 03, 2007, 06:24:12 PM
I thought CCS uses that other program, can't name it, but its not AMB transponder compatible.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: r1owner on October 03, 2007, 07:47:19 PM
CCS uses Westhold predominantly... the GP region uses AMB.  I'm not sure about the Southwest region.
Title: Re: Transponder Mounting
Post by: daviid on October 09, 2007, 01:09:00 AM
Quote from: r1owner on October 03, 2007, 07:47:19 PM
CCS uses Westhold predominantly... the GP region uses AMB.  I'm not sure about the Southwest region.
im pretty sure NE(LRRS) using AMB as well