I have read a lot on the subject of tire warmers: The pro-cons on high wattage warmers versus low wattage warmers (thanks tyresox), how high quality warmers have great insulation and more consistant heaters to prevent burning the tire, etc.
I also understand that digital tire warmers let you set the temperature to match the tire and effectively limit tire cycles.
However, I have the following questions.
1) Assuming, 170 degrees is the performance temperature, is it really bad to keep a tire heated to 170 degrees for a long time versus keeping them at 130 or so. That is, why is it a problem to keep the tire at its performance temperature between races or practice sessions.
2) If I have a single temp set warmer. Should I put them on between races/sessions but not plug them in. Why?
Thanks for the responses.
Greg
Hey i believe its better ifyou can lower the temp to 130 if youre not on track for an extended period maybe 4 -5 races - cooking the hell out of things reminds me of my cooking(they dont let me in the kitchen anymore) if you can afford to get the variable digi bakers - and plan on goin through a few sets of tires, it probably pays off soon enough- Peace! john
My suggestion is to talk with the tire reps about warmers first.
good point- just always wonder which co makes a tire that enjoys full oven all day- never hurts at the start to chat with them tire guys, prolly have the most important info :boink: youll need :boink:regularly-Peace-john
Every one you talk to will give you a different answer. So I will put in my 2 cents.
1st. When it comes to the digital temp gauge warmers. If you are at a regional level, I find them to be a waste of time and money. What temp are there measuring? The air, the outer tire or the carcass, and witch one of those should be at 170 deg.. That's the first thing you have to find out. But really who cares what exact number your tires are at when you leave the pit. The reason I say that is because how many times have you used tire warmers and got the temp at the right spot just in time to wait on the grid. So you have now warmed your tire up in the pit, cooled your tire down a little on the way to the track, warmed them up again on the warm up lap, just for them to loose a couple of deg. Waiting for the flag to drop. That seams like a lot of run around.
2nd. Witch tire warmers cover and heat the best. If you look at the edge of a chine's made warmer like Chicken Hawks ect.... They have no consistent heating pattern all the way around the edge of the tire. The coils are in a v shape witch at first will give you hot then cold spots. If you look at a set of Tyresox, the heater cords cover every spot of the tire so you get a good consistent hot spot pattern. They have one setting, just plug them in and let them warm for 45 min. There are pros and cons to every tire warmer out there. Warmers like chicken hawks and BRG are great warmers. They are very easy to use, just unplug them and pull them off and go. The Tyresox are a little more finicky. When you take them off you have to hang them so that they will not burn together.
I Have raced with and with out tire warmers, and have used both Tyresox and Chicken Hawks. The reality is who really needs them at our level. Now I am not speaking for the Brian Halls, Andy F or the Tommy G. out there. Ect..., I am speaking as the weekend worrier like myself who knows they have no plan/chance going for the #1 board.
No matter what traditional tire warmer you have (for the exception to the fast heating warmers), this is what you do (in my opinion).
Racing. Plug them in at the recommended time that they say from the factory before the race. When you are done racing, put the warmers back on but do not plug them in unless you have another race coming right up. You want to rap them so that the tire does not go from hot to cold in such a short amount of time. By rapping them they will lose heat at a slower pace and you should get better tire life.
If for some reason you think you need Tire warmers for track days: Most track days go 20 min on 40 min off. (3 groups) Plug them in 45 Min. (or factory recommended time) before your first session. When you get off the track put the warmers on but do not plug them in for the first 20 min. Then the next 20min. before your next session plug them back in. The reason for that is, you don't want to have your tires baking for 7 to 8 hours straight. By having you warmers on but not plugged in gives your tires a break from the heat yet won't let them cool all the way off and go through a entire heat cycle.
Now every tire warmer is different and every ones situation is different so that may not apply for you. But I hope it gives you a better idea of what to look for or do.
Have a cold tire crash and then say "who needs tire warmers?" Really, it only takes 1 cold tire crash to exceed the cost of a set of warmers...
That's good Jeff. Pick out the one thing you don't like and make your point. I believe I said that it was my opinion on the subject, that's all.... From your comment I see you have had a cold tire crash. Think back now, can you blame the tire, maybe a foreign object on the track or were you trying to win the race on your first lap, maybe that was it.
Again my opinion on the thread, that's all. I do still love it when the site moderator makes comments against guys who are simply trying to help someone out. Way to go Jeff, job well done.
i think the evidence for tire warmers "at our level" is overwhelming...
Quote from: kvanengen on January 24, 2007, 11:54:33 AM
Think back now, can you blame the tire, maybe a foreign object on the track or were you trying to win the race on your first lap, maybe that was it.
Way to go Jeff, job well done.
:biggrin:
Quote from: kvanengen on January 24, 2007, 10:24:41 AM
No matter what traditional tire warmer you have (for the exception to the fast heating warmers), this is what you do (in my opinion).
Racing. Plug them in at the recommended time that they say from the factory before the race. When you are done racing, put the warmers back on but do not plug them in unless you have another race coming right up. You want to rap them so that the tire does not go from hot to cold in such a short amount of time. By rapping them they will lose heat at a slower pace and you should get better tire life.
If for some reason you think you need Tire warmers for track days: Most track days go 20 min on 40 min off. (3 groups) Plug them in 45 Min. (or factory recommended time) before your first session. When you get off the track put the warmers on but do not plug them in for the first 20 min. Then the next 20min. before your next session plug them back in. The reason for that is, you don’t want to have your tires baking for 7 to 8 hours straight. By having you warmers on but not plugged in gives your tires a break from the heat yet won’t let them cool all the way off and go through a entire heat cycle.
Now every tire warmer is different and every ones situation is different so that may not apply for you. But I hope it gives you a better idea of what to look for or do.
Even if some people don't like all of his opinions, that last part is pretty good advice ipscer.
Quote from: kvanengen on January 24, 2007, 11:54:33 AM
That's good Jeff. Pick out the one thing you don't like and make your point. I believe I said that it was my opinion on the subject, that's all.... From your comment I see you have had a cold tire crash. Think back now, can you blame the tire, maybe a foreign object on the track or were you trying to win the race on your first lap, maybe that was it.
Again my opinion on the thread, that's all. I do still love it when the site moderator makes comments against guys who are simply trying to help someone out. Way to go Jeff, job well done.
I'll agree that a cold tire crash can be prevented with warmers. Now dont blow me up, I'm not a moderator... isnt this a discussion?
My one and only crash last year was the ONLY time I went out on cold tires (rushed to get them changed for qualifying), no time to warm and still get my time in... so I went out slow... VERY SLOW!!!
Talking outload the whole time... coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires, coldtires
ask my pitmates...
I went down the front straight at MAM to the far right, hard on the gas. then hard on the brakes (making sure of course there was noone behind me, hand up except for under braking) just trying to generate some heat. Tiptoed through one fine, scrubbed off some speed into 2 and tipped it in gingerly... and just kept on going all the way to my ass. I was running on a scale of 1-10...about a 4
Fairing stay $70
Clip on bar $10
Wind screen $65
not to mention the big ass dent in the tank and the cost to freshen up the paint (would not have been necessary if not for the crash).
$100 for paint and prep work (assuming the minimal damage I had)
$100 tank (its an 06R6, tanks tend to grind through and leak, its a precaution)
No debris, foriegn objects, fluid, dirt, grass, dust... just cold tires.
Yes you could get by without replacing all of that, but to get it back to the way it was would cost you a decent set of warmers.
Yes some guys can get by without them, yes your risk of a cold tire crash increases.
the rest of the info is great stuff! My opinion is that (for me) tire warmers arent optional. If I ever have to race without em I'd rather be on pilot powers... thats just me.
i've wrecked one time on the first lap. i wasn't using tire warmers and the front end just wouldn't hold the track. tire warmers aren't always a 100% cure, but they are better than nothing.
First, "tire warmers" do more than warm tires.
Ever do hot laps and check hot pressure of a tire? It changes because the tire transfers heat to the air, the rim, even the rotors. There was a time just before tire warmers where I used to really use an excessive amount of brake front and rear to put heat into the rotors and then the rim as that was very effective.
Similarly, when a tire warmer goes on, it heats the air in the tire, the rim, the rotor. Yeah, on a cold day, it's harder to get that heat in as it gets transfered into the outside air a little quicker through the rims and all.
When you have a nice warm tire, with the air and the rim being warm, and you wait on the grid, the outside rubber might cool down a bit, but the rim and the air inside that is a little more insulated keep that heat in the tire.
Don't need it at club races? Fine, guys like Robbie Jensen make more money at club races compared to AMA races, so I guess it's a difference of opinion.
Temperatures. Long term temperatures can do things to the tire. Some warmers don't regulate temperature very well. So, the tire can be brought above it's proper temperature. This can cause the tire to go through a heat cycle, which can generally be though of as bad but can be an advantage...depending upon the tire, or it can just be warmed above the tire's operating temperature. Take a tire that has been heated to 180 when it's supposed to be 140, and the tire can feel greasy for about two laps, during which it cools down to operating temperature.
After a practice or race, yeah, I like to put the warmers over the tires minimally to slow down the temperature crash. Will make it faster to get up to temperature for what ever you have coming up.
Thoughts for someone needing help.
tstruyk: That was a good post. The reason why I have such strong views when it comes to tire warmers is that I have work at motorcycle shops for nearly a decade and I have talked to enough track day guys that say they NEED tire warmers to go out on the track. I'm sorry, but that is one of the most outrageous thing I have ever heard. After a wile I stopped using them so I wouldn't be a hypocrite telling guys they don't need them and then race day you see me putting them on. I went 2 years without using them and had know problems. I bought a set of tyresox lat year, though a great warmer I only used them for about a half a season then realized that my times were no better and all it did for me was take up space in my garage. I think a lot of it comes down to tricking your brain to let you think that you can ride harder with them, and if that is the case, great. Like I said before, every one rides different and has different need. Some guys believe in them and some don't. For the guys out there that are 100% pro tire warmer, that's great. More power to you.
Best of luck next session.
Great post dave. I with you there. That would be a first. haha
Quote from: kvanengen on January 24, 2007, 01:38:34 PM
I have talked to enough track day guys that say they NEED tire warmers to go out on the track. I'm sorry, but that is one of the most outrageous thing I have ever heard. After a wile I stopped using them so I wouldn't be a hypocrite telling guys they don't need them and then race day you see me putting them on. I went 2 years without using them and had know problems.
"Need" for warmers on a track day is related to a few things.
First, the tire itself. Some are very able to go from a colder state to warmed up.
Second, how important is your time? If you've got a fifteen minute session and it takes you two laps to warm up the tire, well, that's wasted time.
Third, tire warmers can help one use tires that are finished for short periods. Maybe I should leave that one as an extra credit answer for people. I use some pretty worn out tires some days, not when I need to go fast, and there's a method to the madness. It's risky, but, again, I'm not out at those times to put down the fastest laps.
Warmers for racing? I suppose it depends upon your competition and your goals.
Quote from: kvanengen on January 24, 2007, 11:54:33 AM
That's good Jeff. Pick out the one thing you don't like and make your point. I believe I said that it was my opinion on the subject, that's all.... From your comment I see you have had a cold tire crash. Think back now, can you blame the tire, maybe a foreign object on the track or were you trying to win the race on your first lap, maybe that was it.
Again my opinion on the thread, that's all. I do still love it when the site moderator makes comments against guys who are simply trying to help someone out. Way to go Jeff, job well done.
A bit touchy are we?
I made a generic statement since the topic comes up quite often. Sorry it seems to have hit home with you. To be completely honest, I didn't even read much of the thread so I'm sorry you've taken offense at something not directed toward you.
Yes, I had a cold tire crash. Tires were cold, track was cold. It was at Gateway in the first practice session. I crashed on the first right hand turn after a long series of lefts (think it was T4). It was a total rookie mistake and one which you can show up on any race weekend and watch repeated.
There are many reasons for using tire warmers (as pointed out here and in every other thread like this one). Yes, there are still people who don't use them. I myself have gone without them before from time to time based on certain situations... Personally on the WHOLE, I find it an unnecessary risk, so I use them. If you don't, that's fine...
I put in my opinion just like you did yours. I'm really sorry that somehow my OPINION isn't as valid as yours is...
Have a great day!
Here I thought you were going to ban him like those other guys last week....
:biggrin:
yep... me & my iron fist...
Maybe you should send him a dictionary and an English level one grammer book.
As far as my OPINION goes, i am in agreement with the majority here. Some people use them, some don't. I use them because i use race compound tires, and i attended a manufacturer seminar where the guy told us the tire benefits from warmer usage. it takes a lot longer than two laps to get your whole tire heated from being dead cold.
I didn't know you could ban someone for clarify there statement. What you made was more so a statement than an option. Dave R. gave an opinion, and a good one at that. One where he provided insight to the conversation. Making a statement that you crashed on cold tires with out saying anything helpful to the conversation isn't helping anyone. All it was is you saying that I am wrong with nothing to back it up. I made it very clear from the start that everyone has a different opinion for different reasons. This is the way I look at thread like this one, and why I think it is so disaponting. Some guy has questions about tire warmers. That's great. The right thing to do is to help him by giving positive info on your experience with them. That is what I did. What I find funny about all of these treads is that it always ends like this. A guy with nothing better to do but watch the CCS form to criticize what someone had posted. Instead of bring something that could really help the original question to the table, they follow it up by making some general stab at someone just make them look bad and you look better. I am done with this he said she said crap. My suggestion to you is next time you want to put in your 2 cents make it something worth reading not just your wrong I'm right. If you feel compelled to ban me from this site, that is your call. If you really feel that banning me who tried to help someone out with there question, that's your call. I'm sure you will do the right thing, you're a professional. for that grammer book goes. it is a tread not a wrighting contest. anytime you have the option to put in a smiley face in your text i don't think grammer really matter. FYI- i have attended a tire seminar as well. you did a great job for answering the original post.
Im done. Have a great day guys.
Quote from: ipscer on January 23, 2007, 08:20:21 PM
I have read a lot on the subject of tire warmers: The pro-cons on high wattage warmers versus low wattage warmers
Thanks for the responses.
Greg
You should start with an affordable set that matches your tire brand. In example, I believe Dunlops are closer to the 170 degree range for recommended heat range of a warmer versus 130-150 for Pirelli and Mich.. (Not sure where the 'stones are recommended for temps.) Approximately 45 minutes is the max bake time for Michelins on an "average" day. There's tons of variables here to play with;
A. Just rolled bike out of trailer and practice starts in an hour; wait 20 minutes to half an hour to put warmers on.
B. Came off from a sprint race and the next race is in 20 minutes; throw em back on ASAP.
C. Came off from sprint race and next one is after lunch in 1hr 20 minutes; personal decision on this one that will vary as much as "What kinda oil do you use?"
If you have been racing/riding w/o them you will love the difference and T1 wide open will take a while to find the trust for.
I believe the Michelin rears require more heat than the C front... IIRC
I have old Chicken hawks that have the exchangeable plugs. I run 135 front (PRC) 170whatever rear (PR5)...i refer to it as the TIM plug...its the hot one :boink: :biggrin:
I run my warmers all day at at least 135, give em 20-30 mins on the "TIM" plugs (ok I'm kidding)
I also allow my tires to "cycle" slowly once, hardens em up just a hair... Tommy says they last longer.
I always cool em slowly with warmers on but unplugged.
damn, i didn't know tire warmers could become such a heated topic.
If you put them under your sleeping bag and plug them in occasionally during the night, tire warmers can make all the difference when camping at that first Midwest round of the season....
:preachon: Jeff is a dodohead! :preachon:
also allow my tires to "cycle" slowly once, hardens em up just a hair... Tommy says they last longer.
[/quote]
can you elaborate? cycle slowly?
Quote from: Dario808 on January 24, 2007, 09:13:46 PM
can you elaborate? cycle slowly?
sure... I do this when time permits. After my first stint on new tires I'll come back to the pits, throw on the warmers and leave them unplugged to allow them to cool slowly. Thus getting the first heat cycle done but not allowing the temp to drop fast.
The rest of the day they stay on at least 135.
It was a suggestion from Tommy, mentioned it may give the tire a little extra life by allowing it to harden just a hair.
Using digital warmers, I heat Michelins to 140 front, 180 rear. On cold days, it's almost impossible to get them up to that temperature without using blankets, etc. to get them to that temperature. And they will loose heat on track on cold days, reducing traction each lap.
Look Kevin, I'm not going to continue the back/forth on this between you and me either.
I made a statement which was my opinion and it had nothing to do with you.
I said nothing about your spelling/grammar
I said nothing about banning anyone. In fact, I personally have never banned ANYONE on this forum.
I have no reason to "make myself look good" as it would be horribly unsuccessful. Additionally, I have nothing to benefit from putting ANYONE down. Hence my long drawn out explanation and apology that you have taken offense to anything I posted!
If there's anything else I can do to clear my end up, please email me - jeff@cbr600rr.com, PM me or call me 262-993-5416.
i will never go out on the track without using tire warmers
when i get on the track i want to be able to go as fast as i can right away, like super dave said i dont want to wast any time warming up tires
last year in practice i had my warmers on but needed to use the drill for something so my crew chief unplugged my rear tire warmer and forgot to plug it back in and so 40 minutes later when it was time to go my crew chief took off my front warmer and i the rear but at that time i already had my cloves on so i couldnt feel if they were warm or not i just assume they were hot
so i leave hot pit at blackhawk and get halfway threw the first turn and lose the rear and crashed and had alot of damge on a brand new bike because of the rear tire not being hot, i was pissed and the corner worker was like what did you do
so my comment is if you want to go fast and want to do it right away then tire warmers is the way to go
YEAH, JEFF!
I talked about banning! :spank:
Moderators still have opinions and knowledge. Generalizing based on their own experiences is still allowed, isn't it?
Quote from: Jeff on January 25, 2007, 10:52:05 AM
In fact, I personally have never banned ANYONE on this forum.
Not even me! :err: :ass:
For you K3, I could make an exception... LOL...
I thought you banned Wong Long from the board. He was really adding to the racing community. :ahhh:
Quote from: kvanengen on January 24, 2007, 03:58:11 PM
What I find funny about all of these treads is that it always ends like this. A guy with nothing better to do but watch the CCS form to criticize what someone had posted. Instead of bring something that could really help the original question to the table, they follow it up by making some general stab at someone just make them look bad and you look better. I am done with this he said she said crap. My suggestion to you is next time you want to put in your 2 cents make it something worth reading not just your wrong I'm right. If you feel compelled to ban me from this site, that is your call. If you really feel that banning me who tried to help someone out with there question, that's your call. I'm sure you will do the right thing, you're a professional. for that grammer book goes. it is a tread not a wrighting contest. anytime you have the option to put in a smiley face in your text i don't think grammer really matter. FYI- i have attended a tire seminar as well. you did a great job for answering the original post.
Jeez dude - chill out 8)
Don't get your panties in such a bundle. No one was slamming you or trying to make you look bad.
Your opinion is yours and everyone is entitled to their own, just as Jeff is entitled to his.
For the record - my opinion on the subject - I never go on the track without using tire warmers first and would recommend even beginners do the same. It doesn't matter how fast you are - running on race rubber that's not up to temp (or at least some what warm) is a cold tire crash waiting to happen. Sure you could go out and slide around (or ride around if you're not fast) for a couple of laps until they're warmed up but why take the chance and waste the track time?
I've never attended a tire seminar but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night :biggrin:
Now can't we all just get along? :kissy:
Quote from: Team_Serpent on January 25, 2007, 03:44:39 PM
Jeez dude - chill out 8)
Don't get your panties in such a bundle. No one was slamming you or trying to make you look bad.
Your opinion is yours and everyone is entitled to there own, just as Jeff is entitled to his.
For the record - my opinion on the subject - I never go on the track without using tire warmers first and would recommend even beginners do the same. It doesn't matter how fast you are - running on race rubber that's not up to temp (or at least some what warm) is a cold tire crash waiting to happen. Sure you could go out and slide around (or ride around if you're not fast) for a couple of laps until they're warmed up but why take the chance and waste the track time?
I've never attended a tire seminar but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night :biggrin:
Now can't we all just get along? :kissy:
Screw you hippy!!
:)
Quote from: Spooner on January 25, 2007, 04:30:41 PM
Screw you hippy!!
:)
I love you to man :boink: :biggrin:
Peace :cheers:
Quote from: Super Dave on January 25, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
I thought you banned Wong Long from the board. He was really adding to the racing community. :ahhh:
Doh! you got me... I did ban him/her/it.
Quote from: jimmyboost on January 24, 2007, 12:38:29 PM
Even if some people don't like all of his opinions, that last part is pretty good advice ipscer.
Agree!
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all the advise!!
It is great!!
Regards,
Greg
Tire warmers are for sissies! :ass:
Ok, since I made the move to race rubber I never (well not by choice) go out with warming my tires, would anyone in the know care to elaborate on cold tearing?
a good point cold tearing- might fit in nicely here- if rubber isnt warmed up and pliable like in its natural ductability condition does the tire rip(cold tear) with hard use- ? great thread :pop:chill and learn
Jason i think you meant you stayed at a holiday inn express last night
hehe
Quote from: racerhall on January 26, 2007, 09:47:10 AM
Jason i think you meant you stayed at a holiday inn express last night
hehe
Oh Yeah, that's right! Express that's it :biggrin: guess this hippy has had to much........uhm what were we talking about? :lmao:
I almost always use tire warmers unless there's no power available. I much prefer to be able to go 100% off the start seeing as with my horrible starts I can't afford to take a lap to heat up tires.
Quote from: Monkey_Star on January 26, 2007, 02:05:51 PM
I almost always use tire warmers unless there's no power available. I much prefer to be able to go 100% off the start seeing as with my horrible starts I can't afford to take a lap to heat up tires.
You ridn a 2-stoke or sumpin?
Hey - i believe that excessive baking is like leaving them stored out on your asphalt driveway in the sun- gonna let a longer term racer post up any difference in opinion at 51 i can be "fixed"in my ways- when i listen carefully i usually find the error of my ways- - :err: :spank:
I believe earlier I talked about that.
Yes, you can put the tire through a heat cycle by leaving them on too long.
If that's what you want to do, then it's a tool to do it. If not, well...
If they are left on too long with out control, the tire and the internal air can be brought above a temperature that is reasonable. Then, your first laps aren't going to have the best traction until everything cools a bit.
On cold days, sometimes, you can leave the warmers on all day and never get them up to temperature. They are certainly better.
How long is too long varies by tire manufacturer and model.
Not that I really know what I'm talking about here, but I have a set of PD warmers (Company is out of business now, and that's a damn shame!) with thermostats. I don't really know how hot they get the tires, but judging by touch it's not quite as hot as when I come fresh off the track. On days when I'm riding 40 minutes out of every hour, I leave the warmers on for the other 20. This method has kept one set of slicks wicked sticky all day. Now if only they'd invent warmers that could grow the worn rubber back between sessions....
Quote from: KC_124 on January 27, 2007, 02:31:44 AM
You ridn a 2-stoke or sumpin?
Yeah! What of it? Kevin, you should definately come to Road America this July so you can watch me whoop your ass in LWGP and then watch me get my ass kicked in in USGPRU 250GP. :)
Quote from: Monkey_Star on January 30, 2007, 02:33:57 PM
Yeah! What of it? Kevin, you should definately come to Road America this July so you can watch me whoop your ass in LWGP and then watch me get my ass kicked in in USGPRU 250GP. :)
Sorry. I've been slacking. I'm planning on Road Am. (Hopefully)
It has been briefly mentioned, but the time/money you can "save" (not waste is more accurate) using warmers at a practice session or track day is worth it to me, not even considering all the other factors discussed. Let's say you get eight laps in a session, and you run two of those to warm up your tires. You are spending 25 percent of your laps warming up tires. So, you are effectively getting 75 percent of the track time you paid for at full speed. At 25 percent of the cost of a day of track time, you can pay for warmers in, what, 10-12 track days?
Quote from: kvanengen on January 24, 2007, 10:24:41 AM
Every one you talk to will give you a different answer. So I will put in my 2 cents.
1st. When it comes to the digital temp gauge warmers. If you are at a regional level, I find them to be a waste of time and money. What temp are there measuring? The air, the outer tire or the carcass, and witch one of those should be at 170 deg.. That’s the first thing you have to find out. But really who cares what exact number your tires are at when you leave the pit. The reason I say that is because how many times have you used tire warmers and got the temp at the right spot just in time to wait on the grid. So you have now warmed your tire up in the pit, cooled your tire down a little on the way to the track, warmed them up again on the warm up lap, just for them to loose a couple of deg. Waiting for the flag to drop. That seams like a lot of run around.
2nd. Witch tire warmers cover and heat the best. If you look at the edge of a chine’s made warmer like Chicken Hawks ect…. They have no consistent heating pattern all the way around the edge of the tire. The coils are in a v shape witch at first will give you hot then cold spots. If you look at a set of Tyresox, the heater cords cover every spot of the tire so you get a good consistent hot spot pattern. They have one setting, just plug them in and let them warm for 45 min. There are pros and cons to every tire warmer out there. Warmers like chicken hawks and BRG are great warmers. They are very easy to use, just unplug them and pull them off and go. The Tyresox are a little more finicky. When you take them off you have to hang them so that they will not burn together.
I Have raced with and with out tire warmers, and have used both Tyresox and Chicken Hawks. The reality is who really needs them at our level. Now I am not speaking for the Brian Halls, Andy F or the Tommy G. out there. Ect…, I am speaking as the weekend worrier like myself who knows they have no plan/chance going for the #1 board.
No matter what traditional tire warmer you have (for the exception to the fast heating warmers), this is what you do (in my opinion).
Racing. Plug them in at the recommended time that they say from the factory before the race. When you are done racing, put the warmers back on but do not plug them in unless you have another race coming right up. You want to rap them so that the tire does not go from hot to cold in such a short amount of time. By rapping them they will lose heat at a slower pace and you should get better tire life.
If for some reason you think you need Tire warmers for track days: Most track days go 20 min on 40 min off. (3 groups) Plug them in 45 Min. (or factory recommended time) before your first session. When you get off the track put the warmers on but do not plug them in for the first 20 min. Then the next 20min. before your next session plug them back in. The reason for that is, you don’t want to have your tires baking for 7 to 8 hours straight. By having you warmers on but not plugged in gives your tires a break from the heat yet won’t let them cool all the way off and go through a entire heat cycle.
Now every tire warmer is different and every ones situation is different so that may not apply for you. But I hope it gives you a better idea of what to look for or do.
Great advise. Thanks!!!
agree with Dave
I use them and have better results
Changing names?
now Yes
Welcome back.
thanks for smack me
:biggrin:
:spank:
:cheers:we even now
WOW i get to ruin k3's smite ratio -- take that!!!! :spank:and that :spank: Good racing saturday!Robs been around the track a bunch ,hopin for good things!John