Poll
Question:
Would you race in F40 in 2007 if it was changed to allow MW GP, HW Superbike, SuperTwins, and Unl Superbike, but not if the class stays as it is?
Option 1: I would race F40 if they add the classes
votes: 17
Option 2: I'll be eligible and would if they added the classes, but I won't race F40 if they don't add the classes
votes: 6
Let's try to find out what a change to the HW F40 rules will *really* do to the grids.
Please answer this poll ONLY if you WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO RUN F40 in 2007 and you have a MW bike or bigger.
This poll is to figure out how many people will get into the class if it's expanded.
Between this poll and the other poll I just started, if enough people respond (and honestly), it's simple arithmetic to see whether HW F40 grids would get bigger or smaller.
that will give me a good excuse to buy and race a 1000 in 2 1/2 years. hell yeah you should have 1000's in Formula 40. All the old bastards have all the money anyways......lol
Seems like your poll is kinda one-sided.
A) I'll race if they add classes
B) I won't if they don't
Aren't those more or less the same choice? Let me guess. You want them to add classes, right?
Quote from: StuartV666 on September 29, 2006, 03:55:12 PM
Let's try to find out what a change to the HW F40 rules will *really* do to the grids.
Please answer this poll ONLY if you WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO RUN F40 in 2007 and you have a MW bike or bigger.
I'm 40 and have an unlimited superbike and want to race in F40, but in all fairness your poll only favors the new classes. The poll should have been:
1. I would race F40 if they add the classes
2. I won't race F40 if they DO add the classes
To be completely fair you also cannot exclude the LWF40 riders from the poll. Since all the classes run at the same time and you want to know the impact on the grids (cost to CCS) you need to know how many LW riders will not participate due to the 1000's being on the track at the same time.
The poll questions should read as jryer stated but the poll should be open to All F40 riders.
Quote from: Hawk on November 15, 2006, 04:28:47 AM
To be completely fair you also cannot exclude the LWF40 riders from the poll. Since all the classes run at the same time and you want to know the impact on the grids
Yeah what's up with combining them? I have a thunderbike legal fzr 600 that would be suited for the LWF40 and a gsxr 750 for the HWF40. I can't ride them both at the same time!!
And if this poll is supposed to really guage anything...
Shouldn't it ask if a rider would decide NOT to enter F40 if the said bikes were allowed? After all, that is CCS stance on this based on ridership from other organizations.
I'll actually be elligible for F40 in 2007. I am not answering the poll as neither option applies.
Poll is confusing. I would run my 1000 if they allowed it.
Quote from: Super Dave on December 11, 2006, 08:38:26 PM
And if this poll is supposed to really guage anything...
Shouldn't it ask if a rider would decide NOT to enter F40 if the said bikes were allowed? After all, that is CCS stance on this based on ridership from other organizations.
I'll actually be elligible for F40 in 2007. I am not answering the poll as neither option applies.
How about a F50 class? :-)
I'm not positive but isn't this basically the same poll that was done near the end of last year? Wasn't the results to leave well enough alone?
Quote from: Wolfie109 on February 22, 2007, 08:23:52 AM
I'm not positive but isn't this basically the same poll that was done near the end of last year? Wasn't the results to leave well enough alone?
Yes & Yes
This is kind of a stupid argument. If you want to race F40, get an eligible bike.
I have 13 more years to think about it....
Quote from: JBraun on February 22, 2007, 01:43:49 PM
This is kind of a stupid argument. If you want to race F40, get an eligible bike.
I have 13 more years to think about it....
I don't think anybody was arguing about anything - us old guys are to tired to get excited about much (we tend to save our energy for more important things like hot chicks) :biggrin:
Currently only up to 750cc are allowed, someguys were hoping to move that to 1000cc. Unfortunately current historical data shows a decline in entries when the limits are raised.
There was a young bull and an old bull shading under a tree on top of a hill over looking the heard grazing in the meadow.
The young bull said to the old bull - "look at all that action in the meadow, let's
run down there and f*ck
one of those hot babes"
The old bull, much wiser with his age said to the young bull - "why don't we
walk down and f*ck'em
all"
Quote from: K3 Chris Onwiler on November 14, 2006, 10:09:46 PM
Seems like your poll is kinda one-sided.
A) I'll race if they add classes
B) I won't if they don't
Aren't those more or less the same choice? Let me guess. You want them to add classes, right?
Bingo!
Totally agreed, K3.
This is just a thaught that had crossed my mind. If there is actually that many of us old guys that are looking to race 1000's, why not look into the concept of a Heavyweight F-40 class that would run with some other class in which big bikes are on the track at the same time. Maybe even let the F-40 and the new HWF-40 run together and leave us LWF-40 guys the track to our-selves or maybe with another lightweight class. Again this is just thinking out loud.
Actually we should consider limiting Formula 40 riders to Ultralight bikes. Everyone knows that one's reaction times and thought processes degrade significantly with age!
I'm in! My H1 is eligible.
:lmao:that's funny, sad but true. how 'bout we try to include as many riders and classes in F40 as possible. we're out there doin it for the luv of it, not so much for the points and cash and plus if you put all the sloold guys together the younger Rossi wannabees don't have to worry about so much lap traffic
How many of us high fiber hay bail eatin Geritol guys would buy &/or ride a 1000 in F40 if they changed the rules? My guess is the fast guys would stick to their 600's & 750's; better lap times. If that's true, who cares if it's unlimited displacement?
We could call it the Super Colon Blow Geezers on Liters Race to the Toilet Bowl of Champions. (In larger font, of course)
Quote from: ipscer on February 21, 2007, 07:37:42 PM
How about a F50 class? :-)
I remember a couple of years ago we had a F 39 1/2 class.
Quote from: KC_124 on March 06, 2007, 07:21:45 PM
I remember a couple of years ago we had a F 39 1/2 class.
With an Undefeated Champion, no less.
+1 on formulae 50. I will be running a lightweight this year anyways
Quote from: raising cane on December 14, 2006, 12:08:43 AM
Poll is confusing. I would run my 1000 if they allowed it.
I run yhe class now on a 750 and think they should let the big bikes in so we don't have seven bikes on the grid, can't even get tire money !
My thoughts exactly Ed.
Let'em in.
So now we have what,12 guys in F40 Ex and 10 guys in F40 Am?
The argument against has been that the existing 600 and 750 guys wouldn't run so the grids actually get smaller.
My suggestion was to try it for the 1st couple of events and make a running change if the grids were really diminished as opposed to increased.
Paul
Polar-Optics
Yes I will race even with the 1000s. Can you do F-40 with slicks on your bike?
Quote from: BRICKMAN on May 03, 2007, 10:05:35 AM
Yes I will race even with the 1000s. Can you do F-40 with slicks on your bike?
I'm pretty sure DOT's are required.
F40 Supersport rules. LWF40 Superbike rules. F40 no slicks. LWF40 slicks OK. (Tech for top 3 in F40)
i remember my first ltwt 40 race at daytona after 2 laps rick croly came by me on the high bank on his 750 plus so fast the paint came off now i run a 748r so it takes 2 more laps . if you make it a liter class you need to put ltwt with another class
F40 should allow slicks just as LWF40. Supersport rules but slick tires allowed! Some of us old guys like slicks and they last a long time.
F40 should allow big twins too. Those GSXR750s really are so much faster than a 748/749 that is simply isn't even close to being a contest.
i think twins are limited to 1000 in hwt 40 but with supersport rules
Oh hell, let's just make it a "run what you brung" :thumb:
down here in fla we don't have a track with a straightaway so the 600 will still be the bike of choice .i think thats why our 1000 classes seem thinner than up north like VIR a rule change may not change thnigs much here
1000CC Ducs and RC51's are allowed in Hwt F40.
+1 on the Run what ya brung Jason..:)
Most of us would be following that 600 of yours anyway..:)
Paul
Polar-Optics LLC
Quote from: Team_Serpent on May 07, 2007, 05:52:27 PM
Oh hell, let's just make it a "run what you brung" :thumb:
Sweet, I'm preregistering for all of the year... I think a combine should pretty much cover the whole racing surface of BHF.... :)
Quote from: PaulV on May 07, 2007, 07:59:01 PM
+1 on the Run what ya brung Jason..:)
Most of us would be following that 600 of yours anyway..:)
Paul
Polar-Optics LLC
Actually, if they make it a "run what ya brung" I was thinking of giving Geoff Maloney from GP Tech a call and ask him about leasing that 500 GP bike he has :biggrin:. Now that would be a fun ride! :thumb:
let us know on the gp 500 light switch i want to watch
I'd still like to be allowed to use slicks even with supersport rules. It sucks to have to swap wheels or tires from Supertwins & F40. Slicks allowed in F40 would make my life a little easier on race day...
Sounds pretty good right now, HW SS and LW SB seems like a pretty good race. I know that I am able to get to half of the field of HW on my LW machinery, but then again I am told my FZR600 is not really LW machinery. I do know that the GSXR750 of Scott Richey leaves me in the dust (great rider) and most of the newer 600 leaves me for dead on the straights. It's all good racing and good fun though.
Let it be known, if you want to run a slick in HW get a 250 GP bike.
Mark
How about race what you rode in on?
:rollseyes:
yeah your fzr is about lightweight as my 748 but that's the rules your also fast mark and i'm not. still think you need a real tire on the back of that thing.also notice there's a lot of slow heavyweight amaturs out there. poor guys its gridlock in turn 2 moroso scares me to death.ready to smoke 4 camels before I go out.
But Marc,
Where does that put the Duc 1000DS?? Is it LW or MW??
LW since it's air cooled, buell also don't remeber there size limit 12 or 1400cc i'd have to check the book. buell my also be legal in ultra light no one checks anyones size anyway listening to tbike some of those 748s didnt have the buzz mine has but a drone like a big motorI do know fuentz is a genuine 748rs and chris boy has put together a trick legal 748rs to run asra.tbike
I know it, those are some pretty big motors for LW but it is all good. I see what you mean about my rear tire but that is the fun of it to see the comparisons of all the different types and make of bikes.
The Duc 800 is legal in ULW SB, and yeah you are right that 748 is pretty dang fast.
hey mark what time you get up ? 5:11 am post I feel for you. just looked in the rule book Tbike air cooled v twin is unlimited and the 1000ds guys all run a drop in 1100 kit thats why there so fast of the corner I.got to wind mine up It does say 4 cyl liquid cooled pre 90 to 860cc hope your using that marc
Nope I am not. I had to stay within my tolerable limit and be able to run it on the street if needed. Moroso blew that idea out of the water. If I were really serious I would have gone without charging system and do a push start as Bob Shy does, but I love my electric starter.
I just love the weird faces I get when I pull up to the grid on my 16 Y/O bike. A little while to go and it will be vintage.
Mark
that fzr makes good power you need a 21 st century tire that 's what amazes me that 20 year old 18 inch tombstone