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Title: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: DanO966 on May 08, 2006, 12:10:36 PM
I know mike from slider photo was there but I saw tons of guys with cameras snapping shots.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on May 08, 2006, 12:27:47 PM
I seen a couple of Gron guys running around.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Sobottka on May 08, 2006, 12:47:59 PM
these 2 guys shoot together but have sepeate sites and were both there, www.pbase.com/marc04    (email-marcschu@charter.net) http://photos.icustrn.com ( email-ben@icustrn.com). pretty cool guys and tons photos. email them if yer in a hurry they told me it would be a while before their pic were online ;)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 01:29:27 PM
I was gonna say - More the question, who WASN'T taking pictures this weekend?!?!

I dunno...  I found the guys laying in the grass in the carousel to be distracting.  Maybe I'm alone, but...
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Sobottka on May 08, 2006, 01:46:35 PM
+1
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: EM JAY on May 08, 2006, 02:44:41 PM
+1 (carousel)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Gron4 on May 08, 2006, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 01:29:27 PM
I was gonna say - More the question, who WASN'T taking pictures this weekend?!?!

I dunno...  I found the guys laying in the grass in the carousel to be distracting.  Maybe I'm alone, but...

Let it be known that Gron4 Photography(www.gron4.com) did not take any part in that what so ever.  They weren't just a distraction to riders!!  We are hard at work on our pictures and hope to have them up ASAP.  It was a crazy weekend.....We had never seen so many crashes in an event, nor have we ever gotten those crashes on "film"! 

Mikel Gronfor
Gron4 Photography
www.gron4.com   
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Team_Serpent on May 08, 2006, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 01:29:27 PM

I dunno...  I found the guys laying in the grass in the carousel to be distracting.  Maybe I'm alone, but...

Didn't notice them
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: DanO966 on May 08, 2006, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 01:29:27 PM


I found the guys laying in the grass in the carousel to be distracting. 
come on now...what are you doing looking at the dude taking pictures ...LOL
I didn't even notice him...
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: r1owner on May 08, 2006, 06:10:41 PM
I didn't see them either... were they on the outside of the turn or something?  I did see a guy standing right by the corner worker stand on Sunday, but that's all I saw from the track while racing.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: extrakt0r on May 08, 2006, 07:23:32 PM
Give me a break...Looking at the photo guys while racing???  ::)

Dan, here is at least one pic I have of you...Wife was talking pics and got us mixed up a few times...

(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teamsimoneracing.com%2Ftsr_images%2F06-events%2Fbhf-05.06.2006%2FIMG_4186.jpg&hash=e2db234998bfe97fc9278470bca5a33d3577c6c7)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on May 08, 2006, 08:06:55 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 01:29:27 PM
I was gonna say - More the question, who WASN'T taking pictures this weekend?!?!

I dunno...  I found the guys laying in the grass in the carousel to be distracting.  Maybe I'm alone, but...

Were exactly were they laying down? I know we had one who was popping out from behind the tree next to the tires after 3A that one of the workers told he couldnt be there. Then he went to 4 and standed on top of the armco. Security then had a 'chat' with them.

Racers, if one of theses guys is being a distraction on where they are taking pics, LET THE CORNERS KNOW and we'll take care of it. We dont need a bike to go down because something is a serious distraction (some guys get distracted more than others).

Photographers, dont go beyond the chainlink fences or stand on any fence (especially T4 at BHF) other than the corner stands IF the workers there allow you to come out to the stands. Also if a worker says you're not in a safe area, listen to us.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 08:09:40 PM
it was something that was out of place and out of the norm which catches my attention in my peripheral vision. I wasn't "LOOKING AT THEM", they were simply another object in the picture, and one which didn't belong.

Kinda like when a corner work stands outside of the box, in front of it where they don't belong.  They're not expected there, so you give a percentage of attention to them thinking that they are going to wave you off or something.

Like I said, I thought it was only me. 

They were laying IN THE GRASS on the track side of the fence (not the inside, spectator side, but the track side) about 30' off the track surface.  2 of them.  Jeans & black shirts.

It wasn't that big of a deal or I would have talked to Bill, I just brought it up since the topic came up of who was taking pictures.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on May 08, 2006, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 08:09:40 PM
They were laying IN THE GRASS on the track side of the fence (not the inside, spectator side, but the track side) about 30' off the track surface.  2 of them.  Jeans & black shirts.

It wasn't that big of a deal or I would have talked to Bill, I just brought it up since the topic came up of who was taking pictures.

Honestly they shouldnt had been there IMO. I've seen guys pull off at 3 and ride right by the stand. If these guys were laying there (where I think you are saying they were) and that happened, someone either probably would had been run over or the rider would had dropped the bike.

Like you said Jeff, if one of the workers are "outside the box" its generally for a reason (other than our catch guys outside of 1, 3, 3A, 5 and gate areas and they are usually not in areas that they'll be a problem.)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: PaulV on May 08, 2006, 08:41:42 PM
Hey DannyO,

we shot a few, as usual,
at http://www.polar-optics.com/Polar-Optics%20LLC_files/Polar-Optics%20Racing%202006%20Images.htm

Great Weekend overall, Great to see everyone, Happy B-Day Big J!

Big, Big, BIG THANKS to the whole Polar-Optics Gang and the CCS Staff! 
All I can say is Wow!:)

Paul
Polar-Optics
#90
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Gron4 on May 08, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
Quote from: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 08:09:40 PM


They were laying IN THE GRASS on the track side of the fence (not the inside, spectator side, but the track side) about 30' off the track surface.  2 of them.  Jeans & black shirts.

They were talked to by Tom......They were told many times to stop what they were doing.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: ICUSTRN on May 09, 2006, 07:52:21 AM
Quote from: Jeff on May 08, 2006, 08:09:40 PM
it was something that was out of place and out of the norm which catches my attention in my peripheral vision. I wasn't "LOOKING AT THEM", they were simply another object in the picture, and one which didn't belong.

Kinda like when a corner work stands outside of the box, in front of it where they don't belong.  They're not expected there, so you give a percentage of attention to them thinking that they are going to wave you off or something.

Like I said, I thought it was only me. 

They were laying IN THE GRASS on the track side of the fence (not the inside, spectator side, but the track side) about 30' off the track surface.  2 of them.  Jeans & black shirts.

It wasn't that big of a deal or I would have talked to Bill, I just brought it up since the topic came up of who was taking pictures.

I was the one laying in the grass for a short time. I was behind the line of the railing and I felt safe where I was. I didn't realize it would be such a distraction and I won't shoot from there again. I apologize for being there. I was trying to get some different angles and probably pushed it a little too far.


Quote from: Gron4 on May 08, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
They were talked to by Tom......They were told many times to stop what they were doing.

You need to get your facts straight before you post. We were talked to ONCE by Tom and just had to clarify a few things. We were not "told many times to stop" what we were doing. The only issue with being on the railing was an insurance issue. I am aware that it is possible for a bike to come up as far as the railing and it is a risk I am willing to take. We stopped doing it after Tom spoke with us about it being a problem. Before we shot from any spot, we cleared it with the corner workers.


I'm not looking to cause any trouble and want to shoot as much racing as I can this year. I'm willing to concede that I (we) may have done a few things that we weren't aware distracted you guys. I'll be more conservative in the future.

Like has been said already, I was one of the guys shooting there last weekend. I am working on sorting and getting pics online. I only have three online right now, and am busy today. I will try to get a couple more online today, but tomorrow I will be back at it. I have a full time job and a busy schedule, so I can't spend as much time with the pics as I would like. My pics are at http://photos.icustrn.com for those that are interested.

-Ben
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Jeff on May 09, 2006, 08:20:58 AM
Just for clarification, I didn't make my comment to start shit here.  I simply made a statement on my personal thought/experience.  I don't hold any malice toward any photographers, etc.  If it's that big of a deal to me, I'll address it with the race director, safety crew or camera person themselves. 

It wasn't really that big of a deal.  I just found it odd since there had never been a person taking pics from that location before, and there seemed to be a LOT of people out snapping shots.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: pbfaster on May 09, 2006, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: Gron4 on May 08, 2006, 03:33:14 PM
Let it be known that Gron4 Photography(www.gron4.com) did not take any part in that what so ever.  They weren't just a distraction to riders!!  We are hard at work on our pictures and hope to have them up ASAP.  It was a crazy weekend.....We had never seen so many crashes in an event, nor have we ever gotten those crashes on "film"! 

Mikel Gronfor
Gron4 Photography

Hope you got my crash.....04 Slv R1 in turn 1 #18 Am......got to have something to show for it:)
www.gron4.com  
Quote from: Gron4 on May 08, 2006, 03:33:14 PM
Let it be known that Gron4 Photography(www.gron4.com) did not take any part in that what so ever.  They weren't just a distraction to riders!!  We are hard at work on our pictures and hope to have them up ASAP.  It was a crazy weekend.....We had never seen so many crashes in an event, nor have we ever gotten those crashes on "film"! 

Mikel Gronfor
Gron4 Photography
www.gron4.com  
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Gron4 on May 09, 2006, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: pbfaster on May 09, 2006, 12:39:07 PM


We have quite a few pics of that wreck!  You were tossed around like a ragdoll!
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: ccsracer26 on May 09, 2006, 01:53:40 PM
How about my T1 wreck on the last lap of the amateur GP race? It flip about 10' in the air but I picked it up and it looked ok so I finished the race. I think I was in 6th when it happened...DUH! Would be pretty neat to see a few pics of those 30 secs.
Thanks,
Ryan
#26 Amateur
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Gron4 on May 09, 2006, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: ccsracer26 on May 09, 2006, 01:53:40 PM
How about my T1 wreck on the last lap of the amateur GP race? It flip about 10' in the air but I picked it up and it looked ok so I finished the race. I think I was in 6th when it happened...DUH! Would be pretty neat to see a few pics of those 30 secs.
Thanks,
Ryan
#26 Amateur

That I don't thnk we got....Was that right after the crash in 4d?
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: ccsracer26 on May 09, 2006, 04:05:02 PM
I cant remember whether there was a crash in 4d that race or not. It was the fourth race after the team challenge, the Speedscreen Unlimited GP.  Black/Maroon 04 R1. Gibson on the back of black MotoGP leathers in metallic red lettering....does that ring a bell? Would great if anyone has pics of it.
Thanks,
Ryan
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Gron4 on May 09, 2006, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: ccsracer26 on May 09, 2006, 04:05:02 PM
I cant remember whether there was a crash in 4d that race or not. It was the fourth race after the team challenge, the Speedscreen Unlimited GP.  Black/Maroon 04 R1. Gibson on the back of black MotoGP leathers in metallic red lettering....does that ring a bell? Would great if anyone has pics of it.
Thanks,
Ryan
I don't believe we got you crashing....kinda funny everyone wants to see their crashes....don't you guys want to forget them? :)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: spyderchick on May 09, 2006, 08:12:34 PM
Quote from: ccsracer26 on May 09, 2006, 04:05:02 PM
I cant remember whether there was a crash in 4d that race or not. It was the fourth race after the team challenge, the Speedscreen Unlimited GP.  Black/Maroon 04 R1. Gibson on the back of black MotoGP leathers in metallic red lettering....does that ring a bell? Would great if anyone has pics of it.
Thanks,
Ryan

Hey Ryan, hope youre ok. How did the adjustment work on the back of your legs?
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: ccsracer26 on May 09, 2006, 08:22:43 PM
Oh, I am fine, just mad that I had a decent finish coming to me in the GP and blew it on the last lap. The leathers dont even look like I crashed and the new stretch paneling worked great....much more comfortable, thanks! Bike isnt too bad, was just barely good enough to finish the race :)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: BuellGirlie on May 09, 2006, 08:24:11 PM
anyone get the crash on film at the carousel between AM#888 blue buell and EX#36 yellow suzuki saturday morning?

photogs - please post when you guys have got all (or at least a lot of) the pics up - its frustrating to go to your sites and not see pics.

thx
D
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: PaulV on May 09, 2006, 09:15:31 PM
Would that be the crash where the Buell stood it up and took out the SV ending the weekend for the Team Challenge that included the 06 #1 plate holder?
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: r1owner on May 09, 2006, 09:25:21 PM
Quote from: PaulV on May 09, 2006, 09:15:31 PM
Would that be the crash where the Buell stood it up and took out the SV ending the weekend for the Team Challenge that included the 06 #1 plate holder?

Ouch! ;) 

I must have went by your pit 8 times this weekend, but never saw anyone around your bike... was looking forward to talking to you Paul.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: unter_kid on May 09, 2006, 09:37:00 PM
Hey Ben,  Thanks for putting me on the front of the BHF album on your site!!  Great pic man, hope to see more!  Too bad I cranked up my knee so bad, those might be the last pics of me for the season  :-\
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: ICUSTRN on May 09, 2006, 11:09:40 PM
It is my pleasure Mike. ;D I am kinda partial to that shot myself. Sorry to hear you f'd your knee up. I think I have more pics of that will make it online, but I'm not positive.

May as well share the pic he is talking about with everyone:

(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.icustrn.com%2Falbums%2Fbhf_may_06%2Fweb_6124.jpg&hash=72b06ec2e32233648db2eb3bd61252bd47c8fd27)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: BuellGirlie on May 10, 2006, 12:02:09 AM
Quote from: PaulV on May 09, 2006, 09:15:31 PM
Would that be the crash where the Buell stood it up and took out the SV ending the weekend for the Team Challenge that included the 06 #1 plate holder?

a difference of opinion, my friend (though i dont know you).  from everything i've been told, its called a racing incident, although it was during practice.  best wishes on your team's repairs. 

D
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: unter_kid on May 10, 2006, 08:44:55 AM
Though I tend to shy away from getting involved in things like this, as a fellow first year amateur I felt the need to post.  Granted it may have been a "racing incident," there is still very little justification for deviating from your line mid-corner.  I'm not saying that there wasn't a good reason, it's just that everyone needs to trust one another, and it's hard to do that if you deviate from your committed line.

When an expert is making a pass, he/she is used to racing with people who are very predictable, and therefor it is up the the amateurs (myself included) to be aware of that fact and ride predictably.  My .02
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: spyderchick on May 10, 2006, 08:52:29 AM
Unless someone steps forward with video or photos of the incident, it's all conjecture. I've been around racing for a long time, and when on a bike, the perspective of racers involved in an incident is not to be trusted.

For example, At Road America, JT took out a number of riders, (there's a photo series of it.) Rhiannon was one of the riders taken out. She was completely sure right after the incident that she was on top of another riders bike into the kitty litter. Upon review of the photos, that was not the case.

Arguing about "who did what" isn't really constructive. It's racing, whether practice or actual race pace. Stuff happens, Some stuff is stupid, some stuff is just heat of the moment.

BuellieGirlie wants some pix so she can make a decision based on evidence, not hearsay. I think that's fair.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Super Dave on May 10, 2006, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: unter_kid on May 10, 2006, 08:44:55 AM
Though I tend to shy away from getting involved in things like this, as a fellow first year amateur I felt the need to post.  Granted it may have been a "racing incident," there is still very little justification for deviating from your line mid-corner.  I'm not saying that there wasn't a good reason, it's just that everyone needs to trust one another, and it's hard to do that if you deviate from your committed line.

When an expert is making a pass, he/she is used to racing with people who are very predictable, and therefor it is up the the amateurs (myself included) to be aware of that fact and ride predictably.  My .02

Passing is still always a risky option.  Just because someone has "white plates" it doesn't make them the best at passing or making decisions.

Changing line mid corner?  Risk...if you're gonna make a pass around the outside of a a rider that is ahead of you, well...you get what you pay for. 

Sounds like a racing incident to me.  I don't see anyone ass blasting someone from speed under braking where they were never going to make a corner or anything. 

I'm now very curious about all this...
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Super Dave on May 10, 2006, 10:00:04 AM
If this was a practice incident...

Was the "pass" necessary for a qualifying time? 

Lines vary from rider to rider.  As a rider's speed increases, their line will also change.  And as the power and traction of a machine changes, the line changes.  A 125GP bike has a very different line from a GSXR1000.   A motard bike has a different line compared to a 600.  A mid pack amateur has a different line than the pole sitting expert in Unlimited Grand Prix.  Hey, even an expert rider with a poorly set up CBR600RR has a different line compared to a cheater motor 600 bike.

Try racing when you try to intentionally change your line a bit to mess up your competitors. 

I don't think there's any reason to develop blame unless something was done intentionally.  If that's the case, then it should have been taken care of with the race director on immediately on the race day.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: unter_kid on May 10, 2006, 10:40:20 AM
It wasn't my intention to point the finger at either rider, rather just to give the perspective of another amateur.  Being on a track where some amateurs are being lapped 2-3 times in a sprint race by the expert leaders, there are bound to be some incidents.  It was an infortunate incident, which I did see.  Everyone has their own thing that they're doing out there, and it's easy to get caught up in the heat of the race.  Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: russ1962 on May 10, 2006, 10:53:34 AM
Back to the topic of pictures...


How about if the various photog sites allowed someone to make the purchase, then download the files?  Seems like creating and sending a CD is a little outdated.  Plus, I'm an impatient jerk and I just want my shit NOW.

Anyone have pics of Expert #47? 

Thanks (if you do)
Pound sand (if ya don't)

Russ
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Monkey_Star on May 10, 2006, 11:25:18 AM
Russ... there's pics up at www.gron4.com There's even pics of you!
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Super Dave on May 10, 2006, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: unter_kid on May 10, 2006, 10:40:20 AMBeing on a track where some amateurs are being lapped 2-3 times in a sprint race by the expert leaders, there are bound to be some incidents.

It's the responsibility of the rider behind to pass properly. 

If you're lapping a rider for the third time, you're still behind that slower rider and responsible for making a decent, safe pass. 

Expect the unexpected?  Easier to do that than have problems.  Maybe I just have a different perspective.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Super Dave on May 10, 2006, 11:36:21 AM
Quote from: russ1962 on May 10, 2006, 10:53:34 AM

Anyone have pics of Expert #47? 

Thanks (if you do)
Pound sand (if ya don't)

Russ

Maybe I have some nice pics of you off bike...

Sexy...:)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: russ1962 on May 10, 2006, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: Super Dave on May 10, 2006, 11:36:21 AM
Maybe I have some nice pics of you off bike...

Sexy...:)

Dave, you disgust me.  I think I threw up in my mouth a little.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: russ1962 on May 10, 2006, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: Monkey_Star on May 10, 2006, 11:25:18 AM
Russ... there's pics up at www.gron4.com There's even pics of you!


Saw those at Gron4...  awesome.  I wanna get them all, as usual my vanity forces me to buy all the photos I can find.  I just want to download them instead of waiting for the CD. 

And, if the Gron guys knew I am such a sucker for photos, there would be like a hundred of me listed there.  All the other photogs that we've worked with in the past know that I'll buy anything they have.

And no wise cracks about mysterious photos of me in a thong, they don't exist.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Super Dave on May 10, 2006, 12:11:10 PM
LOL!
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: cbr806 on May 10, 2006, 08:27:07 PM
QuoteFor example, At Road America, JT took out a number of riders, (there's a photo series of it.) Rhiannon was one of the riders taken out. She was completely sure right after the incident that she was on top of another riders bike into the kitty litter. Upon review of the photos, that was not the case.

Where can we see these pictures?  Are they posted anywhere?
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: agron4 on May 10, 2006, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: cbr806 on May 10, 2006, 08:27:07 PM
Where can we see these pictures?  Are they posted anywhere?

Our pics are up and viewable

main listing
http://www.gron4.com/event050506/


you ;)
http://www.gron4.com/event050506/806/
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: PaulV on May 10, 2006, 10:09:05 PM
Ok,

D,

you may not know me, but there are plenty who do, and your actions, although arguably, could be looked at as a racing incident(s).  But with out clarification of your acknowledgement of your mistakes, and how they placed others, including yourself, in danger, its' not just "racing incidents".
When you target fixate on another rider, hit them, take them out of competition for the weekend, possibly longer, offer no signs of responsibility, apology or reparation, and then post up requests for photos (with out qualification of using them for clarification but your own personal amusement), what would others think?
When you cross the blend line into a hot race track, receive the meatball flag for two laps, and then stop on a hot race coarse at the visible dismay of the corner workers and track officials, what would others think?
The CCS racing community is made up of alot of different wonderful people, from various backrounds, groups etc.... The ONE thing we have in common is racing and the ground rules of safety and racing etiquette that we expect from each other.  Your post looking for pictures, with no further qualification of why you want them, outside of some helpful hints to photo posting, shows blatant disregard and lack of concern for the others who you endangered and should not be passed off as "a racing incident" but be addressed directly.
For those on this forum who choose to support these actions, that is your call.  I have made mine.  


Paul Vondrak
Polar-Optics
MW #90
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: DAmico on May 11, 2006, 12:31:03 AM
I love putting my two cents in:
1. Dave have you ever given any thought of quitting racing and going into politics. I have never seen anyone be able to have a topic thrown in front of them, talk for 10 minutes and say nothing . You got mad skills!! :o

2. Alexa it is more than conjecture or what ever big word you used. I have vested interest in both parties involved: I have been helping Dora get her bike running and setup and kevins bike, besides building his motor, that may now be junk, I have been close to it since conception. About three minutes after the "incident" my cell started going beserk with the EYE witness reports of said "incident".This included a testimony from the cornerworking staff at that corner after I arrived at the track.

Everyone on this board (including myself){that races} has pulled some bonehead move while on the track that has involved another rider. And anytime I did this I made sure to get over to the persons involved and apologize and explain to the person the events in my perspective...."uh well I thought I saw some room there.." and make sure the people involved are OK. The main thing is to say that "hey I screwed up and I'm glad I didn't kill you in the process."And I can say that 99% of the time I've had others come to me and do the same.
So i think it is the nonchalantness(wow can I spell or what, where the f**k is the spell check on this thing) with this whole situation that people are having a problem with not the said incident(I like saying "said incident").

Oh ya and I am still walking funny from doing 30 some consecutive race laps in the team challenge on Sunday.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on May 11, 2006, 12:39:33 AM
Quote from: DAmico on May 11, 2006, 12:31:03 AM
Everyone on this board (including myself){that races} has pulled some bonehead move while on the track that has involved another rider. And anytime I did this I made sure to get over to the persons involved and apologize and explain to the person the events in my perspective...."uh well I thought I saw some room there.." and make sure the people involved are OK. The main thing is to say that "hey I screwed up and I'm glad I didn't kill you in the process."And I can say that 99% of the time I've had others come to me and do the same.
So i think it is the nonchalantness(wow can I spell or what, where the f**k is the spell check on this thing) with this whole situation that people are having a problem with not the said incident(I like saying "said incident").


Well said.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: EX_#76 on May 11, 2006, 08:01:20 AM
DAmico,
    You are my new idol.  Well said!!!

Guy
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Ridgeway on May 11, 2006, 08:45:04 AM
QuoteEveryone on this board (including myself){that races} has pulled some bonehead move while on the track that has involved another rider. And anytime I did this I made sure to get over to the persons involved and apologize and explain to the person the events in my perspective...."uh well I thought I saw some room there.." and make sure the people involved are OK. The main thing is to say that "hey I screwed up and I'm glad I didn't kill you in the process."And I can say that 99% of the time I've had others come to me and do the same.
So i think it is the nonchalantness(wow can I spell or what, where the f**k is the spell check on this thing) with this whole situation that people are having a problem with not the said incident(I like saying "said incident").

Agreed.  It's expected that unfortunate things can and will happen on a race track, but to say that the rider(s) involved have no responsibility for it because of that fact is a dangerous mindset to have.  Particularly in practice, when there's everything to lose and relatively little to gain.

This is my 2nd year racing, and getting passed without spazzing out and altering lines is one of the things that I'm constantly working on.  I've improved on this a lot since I started, but I still occasionally get startled, which can get dangerous.  I also had my first taste of on-track "incidents" this weekend.

Incident #1: 1st practice session on Saturday, I had done Friday practice, so was relatively comfortable on the track compared with some of the guys who were probably putting in their first laps of the season.  I came up behind a guy pretty fast on the brakes going into 7.  I was carrying enough momentum compared to him that I thought I could pretty easily get by him on the brakes well before apex.  He seemed to be running a conservative line, so I thought I'd sneak around the outside on entry rather than potentially take his line away (it is practice after all).  This turned out to be a mistake.  Just as I got my front wheel up along side his rear, he started moving out to the edge of the track, not knowing I was there.  I ran out of room fast and we ended up making contact.  Neither of us went down or off track and I made a clean pass on the next lap.  Even though I was sure no damage had been done, I still made a point to go find the guy after the session and apologize for bumping him.  I wanted him to know that it wasn't intentional, and that I didn't intend to make a habit of running into him (or anyone else for that matter).

Incident #2: Lap 8 of GTL, I was running somewhere around 6th or 7th, and was trying to keep Guy in sight, while occasionally catching an expert or lapping an AM.  I thought I was pretty much alone on the track as no one had shown me a wheel in several laps.  Was pretty sure Guy was the closest bike on the track that I was running with for position.  As I leaned into the 2nd part of T6 hard on the gas, and headed towards the curbing at the apex, I was suprised to have another bike dive inside me and occupy the real-estate I was headed for.  Rather than hit him, I bailed out and ran wide.  Too wide as it turned out, since I actually ran off track and lowsided in the grass at considerable speed.  Now, I wouldn't have risked a pass there myself, but I also knew that, had I not been startled, I surely could've avoided crashing.  That said, I certainly wouldn't have crashed had he not been there.  The rider who made the pass came and found me immediately after the completion of the race to apologize and make sure I, and my bike were ok.  (we were)  This made all the difference, and I went from being moderately upset or at least frustrated, to relatively ok with what had happened.  It was also good to hear his perspective on what had happened.  Apparently he had followed me the lap prior and I had taken a wider line through that corner and he thought he'd have room.  Still a sketch pass perhaps, but at least there was an explanation and it wasn't just a banzai move.

In both cases, owning up to what had happened made all the difference.  You don't want to be out there on track carrying a chip on your shoulder for things that have happened in the past and were left unresolved.  On the flipside, you don't want people out there carrying a grudge against you.  Talk it out right away, apologize if appropriate, accept apologies and move on.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: spyderchick on May 11, 2006, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: Ridgeway on May 11, 2006, 08:45:04 AM

In both cases, owning up to what had happened made all the difference.  You don't want to be out there on track carrying a chip on your shoulder for things that have happened in the past and were left unresolved.  On the flipside, you don't want people out there carrying a grudge against you.  Talk it out right away, apologize if appropriate, accept apologies and move on.

Very well said. If possible always follow up at the track. When I was "racing" (I was the moving chicane in my day), I had racers come up and ask if I got spooked by getting passed fairly close. I was pretty solid holding my line, so eventually the fast guys would use me as a 'pick' if you will.

Squeeks, I know everyone as well, and I don't think either party wanted any animosity from the incident, I know Dora is certainly sorry that it happened. We all know that race day tensions run high. I still have margaritas left from the party, everyone stop by, have a few and mend some fences.  ;)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: DAmico on May 11, 2006, 11:10:41 AM
Quote

I am glad you know she is sorry but no one else does because she has never said it to anyone involved. That was the whole point of my post, owning up to the mistake and SAYING your sorry TO THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. Then no big deal!
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Monkey_Star on May 11, 2006, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: russ1962 on May 10, 2006, 12:06:41 PM


And no wise cracks about mysterious photos of me in a thong, they don't exist.


I think most of us saw that in real life. Although you were much sexier than Mark Stiles... lets hope those photos don't exist. If they do infact existed at one point, lets hope that they were promptly burnt!. :)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: spyderchick on May 11, 2006, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: Monkey_Star on May 11, 2006, 11:34:43 AM
I think most of us saw that in real life. Although you were much sexier than Mark Stiles... lets hope those photos don't exist. If they do infact existed at one point, lets hope that they were promptly burnt!. :)

Well, I remember that day, and if I'm recalling correctly, let's hope a lot of guys got scared when they woke up the next morning and Russ was the wallpaper on their fancy cell phone w/ a camera! Funniest thing I ever saw, Rhiannon comes out in lingerie and gets yawns from the crowd, Russ comes out in the same outfit to cheers and snapping cameras. Y'all are sick puppies! ;) ;D
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: russ1962 on May 11, 2006, 01:44:55 PM
Quote from: spyderchick on May 11, 2006, 11:51:31 AM
Well, I remember that day, and if I'm recalling correctly, let's hope a lot of guys got scared when they woke up the next morning and Russ was the wallpaper on their fancy cell phone w/ a camera! Funniest thing I ever saw, Rhiannon comes out in lingerie and gets yawns from the crowd, Russ comes out in the same outfit to cheers and snapping cameras. Y'all are sick puppies! ;) ;D

...  thinking of making my own calendar. 

And I'm not making any comments about your lovely daughter.  Don't bait me.
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: spyderchick on May 11, 2006, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: russ1962 on May 11, 2006, 01:44:55 PM
  Don't bait me.


Promise or threat?  :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Team-G on May 11, 2006, 05:31:29 PM
Quote from: PaulV on May 10, 2006, 10:09:05 PM
When you target fixate on another rider, ....

Talk about target fixation....Dude, that's one hell of a paint job!!  Should we knock it over in the pits so you don't have to worry about scrashing it?  (scratch/crash = scrash)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: chainsaw on May 11, 2006, 05:44:39 PM
G-

If you think the photos make it look good, you should see it in person! All I can say is WOW...yeah, it's all paint too and no decals. 

Later
Chainsaw936
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: PaulV on May 11, 2006, 08:27:44 PM
Yeah,

Randy and the gang at Innovative Concepts really did a nice job (Too nice for a race bike:).  They picked up on Saturday and I had it mounted Thursday.
We missed you out there last weekend champ, how is the shoulder(s) doing?
Are you going to try for the next BHF?

D,

I understand you contacted Kev today.  Thank you.
I have nothing against you or any new racers.  We need more new folks to help grow the sport and build the community, Welcome.  We have been helping new riders go to the track for some time now and Rick and Jason and the Learning Curves gang or VisionSports crew are some of the best to do it with safely, give them a call.  We look forward to seeing you out there and doing well.



Paul
Polar-Optics
#90
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: ICUSTRN on May 11, 2006, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: russ1962 on May 10, 2006, 10:53:34 AM
Back to the topic of pictures...


How about if the various photog sites allowed someone to make the purchase, then download the files?  Seems like creating and sending a CD is a little outdated.  Plus, I'm an impatient jerk and I just want my shit NOW.

Anyone have pics of Expert #47? 

Thanks (if you do)
Pound sand (if ya don't)

Russ

Something like this maybe? I've got more, but nothing online yet...

(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.icustrn.com%2Falbums%2Fbhf_may_06%2Fweb_3032.jpg&hash=8af6b8a931a12b3238a2cb3d8f4a534f646721ce)
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: Team-G on May 12, 2006, 01:32:36 AM
Quote from: PaulV on May 11, 2006, 08:27:44 PM
We missed you out there last weekend champ, how is the shoulder(s) doing?
Are you going to try for the next BHF?

6 weeks of specialized PT, then back on the scooter to try again.  If that doesn't do it, I get the knife again...
Title: Re: who was taking pics at blackhawk
Post by: russ1962 on May 12, 2006, 09:32:52 AM
Quote from: ICUSTRN on May 11, 2006, 10:31:11 PM
Something like this maybe? I've got more, but nothing online yet...

(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.icustrn.com%2Falbums%2Fbhf_may_06%2Fweb_3032.jpg&hash=8af6b8a931a12b3238a2cb3d8f4a534f646721ce)


Awesome pic!!!  I love it. 

Yeah, all ya got...  I'll take em.