which ones better
This is a lose/lose question. The schools listed have different agendas, and you need to choose the school that best fits your needs. Also, there are various schools available regionally, as well as schools that travel nationally to offer their own teaching philosophy throughout the country. My 2cents.
And very well put ;) Alexa!
Proud VRS Instructor
Patrick "Thorny" Thornton
The 2 schools listed don't really compete with each other. Not sure if agenda is the correct term.
LCR does mainly licensing schools, VSR does mainly track days and racing schools.
Exactly. The question is a bit open.
But, Visionsports does not do track days. Only high performance motorcycle instruction. Blackhawk Farms puts on a track day. That's practice. And if practice were the only key to going faster, race teams would not need riding advisors and suspension engineers in addition to the engine builder and tuner.
What are you looking for? You have to ask that question yourself.
QuoteNot sure if agenda is the correct term.
Agenda in the literal sense:
Webster's unabridged;
agenda a list , plan, outline or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted upon...
not in the political sense. :)
Dave's agenda...
Everyone should be faster than me. I can help. And you save money quickly by NOT wasting money on what you don't need. (Someone has to say it. I don't beat around the bush. There are things to buy, and things not to.)
Dave, I made a purchase last nite......
one twelve pack of Corona and a couple o' limes. I hope that's on your need to buy list!!
Two Mike's Hard Lemonades just leave me out in the weeds. Cheaper than a twelve.
Maybe I'm just a cheap date? ???
The reason I said I would not use agenda, is that I have never heard it used to refer to the material covered in a course. I am an insructor in real life (college physics and math), cirriculum is the term that is most often used. It is that anal scientist (and the instructor - slay ignorance whenever possible) in me that forces me to use correct terminology - physics very much depends upon correct use of terminology - speed and velocity are not the same thing, acceleration and deceleration are the same thing. My teaching experience (which is much more than just the ability to teach - but all the work it takes to create and update a curriculum) is one of the main reasons Rick asked me to be an instructor. Just because a person is well versed in a subject does not mean that they can teach the subject. Those that can, do; those that understand, teach.
Dave, we differ on the definition of track day. Before I started doing track days I asked riders (both racers and street riders) what they expected at a track day. Almost all said riding with instruction. So that is my definition of a track day - track riding with instruction tailored to the level and goals of the group. What Blackhawk does I refer to as open practice or a practice day.
BTW Dave what you list as an agenda should really be called an educational philosophy. I do agree with it. What good is an instructor if their students do not become better than themselves?
Hey Brian, I need your address so e-mail me with that.
Curriculum: the aggregate courses of study given in a school, college, university, etc.
So, while the cirriculum for the course might be diverse, that agenda for the day's lessons could be intensive and focused.
see i got me some learnin' tuh huh... tuh huh ::)
needer one o' youse guys noes wat yer yakin' bout.
agenders, fysics, curlyiculums (dat related to katie curic?) an all dat fancy, shmansy gerbage. it's all hors dung. shut up an ride. :P
mr gordi where you get yur skooolin
evrone nose noes iz spelt nose
fok that I'm Art Kumbulek
Brian, are you back as an instructor?
Are you refering to my mild get off at Blackhawk? :)
I didn't miss any schools, just could not ride for about 8 weeks. By June I was riding again. Busy with work and getting everything ready for next year.
hey artie, 4Q 2
Hey Gordy,
and I always thought THAN Q would make a cool license plate.
Dude, I'm an instructor in real life too, I'm a dad!
VRS has not at anytime held a "track day" it is clearly an advanced riders school. We don't spend anytime with flags aside from if there is totally new riders there. We don't walk the tracks, we ride in the short bus and make it brief.
When I took a school originally in 98' to regain license, I was never even told anything about suspension or body positioning. I started working with the advanced school and immediatly cleaned up in every aspect of my riding.
Agenda, ciriculum, whatever, you guys can argue that whole tomato thing all day. Bottom line, LCR offers a brief and helpful intro into racing. I know they also have a select few weekends that have an all day advanced course.
VRS only deals in all day courses. We will do our best to give you a base line of ideas and some direct solutions to help you pick up your pace. Also we have very knowledgable experts to help you undestand your suspension and not be afraid to turn some dials. Once you take a VRS day you will be a part of Team-Vision-Sports, which means where ever and what ever comes up at any track at anytime the VRS instructors are there to help. After taking the school, you have some questions about ANYTHING, you come up to any one of us and if we can't help we will do everything in our power to find an answer or solution to help your program to always move forward and not backward.
Thats our agenda, ciriculum, and our tomatoes!!! :D
Proud VRS Instructor (In real life too!)
P.J.