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Motorcycle Racing => Wrenching => Topic started by: extrakt0r on June 01, 2005, 11:43:16 AM

Title: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: extrakt0r on June 01, 2005, 11:43:16 AM
Looking for an Aftermarket Top Triple Clamp that comes W/O the provision for the stock ignition. Going to remove my key/ignition on my race bike and would prefer to clean up the area and not have a eye-sore of a empty ignition hole.

Anyone got any links?
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: L8brake731 on June 02, 2005, 03:45:02 PM
I don't know what type of bike you race but, if you know someone with a mill, have it milled off and the sufaces cleaned up as well.

After market clamps are great too, but if you are not dealing with any flex problems, why spend the extra $$?
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Super Dave on June 06, 2005, 07:45:53 PM
Changing the top triple won't allow you to run Unlimited Supersport.

Keep it simple, Mike
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Eric Kelcher on June 06, 2005, 08:31:24 PM
Hey Dave why?
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on June 07, 2005, 02:11:55 AM
Heres a cornerworkers perspective about them.

Keep the key in the stock location. If we have to pick a bike up and teh power is still on, motors off and theres gas leaking, well if it starts on fire, oh well it will be back on the ground asafp. Or if you end up going to teh med shed via ambulance, well your battery probably will be dead when you finally get teh bike back to your pits.

I had to pick a bike up in T6 at BHF that teh gas tank was leaking, teh right clipon was GONE, teh guages were sparking (even with the start.stop switch off theres still electrical power) and the racer moved teh ignition switch. We could had been able to roast marshmellows over that R6 if it caught fire.

AS Dave said, just keep it simple.
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Super Dave on June 07, 2005, 05:43:34 AM
QuoteHey Dave why?

Are you saying that one can change triple clamps in SS?


If one can, the CCS rules are now absolutely ridiculous...
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: extrakt0r on June 07, 2005, 07:47:09 AM
Thanks for the great responses..

I will just keep it simple, and leave her alone, I did safety wire the key to the triple thou so I don't worry about losing it.  ;D But It can still be removed from the igintion, just not lost.

But I don't see anywhere in the rule book that says you cant replace your triple clamps in SS. Unless the Triple is considered part of the frame, then under section 6.1.2(a) that would exculde it, but don't see "Triple Clamp" listed anywhere.

Thanks Again.
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Super Dave on June 08, 2005, 05:08:35 AM
The whole historical origin of "supersport" when it was created in the 80's was that the bike was very, very similar to the actual production model.  Exhaust, DOT race tires, internal engine blue printing, minor internal fork modifications, and a rear shock basically.


If CCS is getting so far away from that....


What's the story Eric?
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Eric Kelcher on June 08, 2005, 10:05:58 AM
Aftermarket triple clamps have been legal for as long as I have raced CCS (2000).
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Super Dave on June 08, 2005, 11:38:38 AM
Ridiculous.

I have been racing CCS since 1988.  It's ridiculous.  How far away from a reasonable center should things be?
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Zac on June 08, 2005, 12:13:17 PM
QuoteRidiculous.

Why?  Supersport classes are supposed to be cheaper, but after a $2k full Ti exhaust, a $1k shock, and some $1k fork cartridges, what's a few hundred bucks on an adjustable triple clamp?

-z.
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on June 11, 2005, 05:30:03 AM
Quotewhat's a few hundred bucks on an adjustable triple clamp?

-z.

Some of those aftermarket clamps are able to change steering geometry by changing inserts..
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Super Dave on June 11, 2005, 06:29:26 AM
Moving fork tubes will change geometry.  So will changing tire brands at times.  So will adjusting the shock length...or the shock mount clevis on many sport bikes.  

Historically, there are items that were considered "superbike"mods...and others that were considered "supersport".  

Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: tzracer on June 11, 2005, 10:12:46 AM
There are very few thaings that you cannot do in supersport. Most have to do with the engine. Very few chassis pieces cannot be modified. Go take a look at Ed Key's bike, you will see a supersport bike built to the limit of the rules.
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Super Dave on June 12, 2005, 06:41:19 PM
Agreed.  Ed's taken full notice of the rules.  However, I think that he might even believe that the current Supersport rules are ridiculous in the spirit of supersport.  

It's good for him, and that's good.  Having Ed as part of this is great.  

Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: cardzilla on June 16, 2005, 01:39:42 PM
Oh boy, Dave... you're singing my song.  Supersports in many instances become MORE expensive than a superbike. You can't do the simple stuff, like changing cams, but you can mill the head?  Now, I know it is so hard to enforce head and deck height, thus the legalization but you get my point.  Why can't we have a STOCK class.  Change the controls, bodywork,  tires and suspension pieces and that's it.  That's a bike + $100 clipons, $300 rearsets, $800 body, $700 fork job, $1000 shock and $300 tires.  You're into it for a bike + $3,200. The fork job isn't even that necessary to start and there's also a chance you can retain your stock controls if they work on the track (with Hondas that is NOT an option).  When you figure that you can usually end up at least even selling your stock plastics for Sharkskinz you end up with $1300, which is reasonable.
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Zac on June 16, 2005, 04:56:52 PM
And then someone shows up to run the stock race on their "stock", $28k 749R...

Don't mind me, I don't even own a supersport legal bike.

Spec classes, on the other hand, are quite cool.  I would love to run the Truxton cup races, even if I have to be romped by the likes of Doug Polen.  It would be cool if we could run something like that with CCS, but the logisitics become cumbersome.

-z.
Title: Re: Top Triple Clamp
Post by: Super Dave on June 16, 2005, 07:43:04 PM
Screw that...beat Polen.

I raced the MZ Skorpion Cup National Championship Series.  Trick is that the organization can't even hardly enforce vintage rules...they didn't enforce production based rules then.  

The only good answer I ever got on any kind of a "fair" situation was what some guys we knew from Norway raced in.  

Was a spec series where you showed up with your forks and your shock.  You put it on a bike, everyone got one by a drawing or something, then you go out and practice, get it sorted, and race.

The MZ series featured a guy that had a real MZ European Supermono bike.  Was reported that he put his special box on his "production" bike.  Made sense, considering that we'd still be on the gas going down the straight when he was hitting the brakes...was quite startling...then he'd motor us on the next straight.  It was absolutely ridiculous...especially considering that my bike made 42RWHP.  His past me with waaaaaay more.

Was good money.