Wondering if anybody had a chance to jump on the new multi-compound Sportmax GP...
Time for a decision...
Dunlops
Michelins
Dunlops
Michelins
hmmmm bridgestone offers a very affordable tire...
Dunlops
Michelins
Dunlops
Michelins
QuoteWondering if anybody had a chance to jump on the new multi-compound Sportmax GP...
Time for a decision...
Dunlops
Michelins
Dunlops
Michelins
hmmmm bridgestone offers a very affordable tire...
Dunlops
Michelins
Dunlops
Michelins
I know you didn't FORGET Pirelli, you know, the tire that won at Daytona......
I've got LOTS of Dunlop patches... ;D
QuoteI know you didn't FORGET Pirelli, you know, the tire that won at Daytona......
Yawn... That's like saying "why bother racing anything other than Dunlops. There are more races won on Dunlops than any other tire on the market!"
I heard that Pirelli's were kinda hard to get last year in the MW. We'll see what this year holds.
Michelins
Dawn ;)
QuoteYawn... That's like saying "why bother racing anything other than Dunlops. There are more races won on Dunlops than any other tire on the market!"
Where? MotoGP?
I don't remember what you were on last year... but I sampled the new Michelins at Daytona and they are a huge improvement over last year (and I liked them last year, too.)
All the hype you heard last fall from Rosno and others? It's true.
Nice thing is that the tire sizes are the same between Dunlop and the new Michelin (for the most part, anyways...) Can't decide? Try 'em both out.
Ask dunlop, not me... They're the one making the claim...
Well, Dunlop is the most popular tire in AMA roadracing, isn't it? All the factory teams are on 'em.
I think Dunlop is also still the shiz in MX. It's been a few years but I used to LOVE the K695s.
Yep, I did hear that the Mich's were the same size as the Lops, so setup should be similar.
Regardless, I'll be on a new bike, so I'd rather setup with the tires I intend to run all year. I'm pretty well sold on Michelins after an overwhelming amount of data within the last 3 days. I was just curious as to the new lops...
Oh yeah... I'm a creature of habit. I've been on lops exclusively for the last 5 years...
Does Michelin have their "instant on" tyres yet?
I switched to Michelins last year and didn't know that it took longer to scuff them in. It was almost a bad thing :-[
Good question... The other 2 "issues" mentioned were time to warm up, and the (years past) michelin high-side, where the tires would simply let go when they went vice 'fading away'...
the new dunlops are the sh t
i like them better than last years already and the tread pattern looks cool which is very important
i used the same rear tire the whole race for the 200 mile race at daytona and it still looks good
last year i was on a diferent brand and it wouldnt last a sprint race at daytona, could of been my suspension but who knows
I have will have a set as soon as my distributor gets them. www.dunlopracing.com
I know they have a new tread pattern....I hear less grooves on the front...more patch.
Michelin's don't need scuffing. Since I've been using them, 1991, they haven't. Comes from the way that they release the tires from their molds.
If you've got problems, it's something else...heat or suspension.
Hype...I'm not hype, am I? If you'd like me to hype something I can...but I thought that I just gave my straight forward answer to things...
Jeff...
You're lucky.
I think you have two very good ways to get tires. Tom Mason and Jim Raashid with 4&6. Both have a good product.
As for Michelin sizing...
Yes, the overall diameter of the Michelin's is similar to previous Dunlop's, however, the circumference of the tire leaned over is different. Nothing is plug and play. Sometimes, one get's lucky...
QuoteGood question... The other 2 "issues" mentioned were time to warm up, and the (years past) michelin high-side, where the tires would simply let go when they went vice 'fading away'...
Warm up...you use tire warmers. However, I tested some different stuff at the end of the year that didn't need nearly the warm up as previous tires.
High side on worn Michelin tires...
Ok, have I discussed how much I made at my job last year? I am the king of tire wear. I'm on such a tight budget, I skimp. I haven't highsided since 1999 when I highsided in BFR two...(cold tires with no warmers, I was just returning to 600's after being off racing for vintage bike owners for a few years).
Crashes are either caused by:
- rider's input
- others mistakes
- poor traction related to poor set up
- poor traction related to conditons (still relates to set up too)
- tires? Yeah, if they're worn out our you didn't bother to warm them up...that's a rider responsibility, not the tire
I agree with all your points Dave, you've got no argument from me. I'm just throwing out comments others have made.
As for my Luck, I'll attribute much of it to the fact that I've never raced the US dunlop tires. I've always run the GB tires. They are more expensive but have always proven worth it.
I believe either tire will be a fine choice, but right now the question comes down to availability and bang for the buck. Michelin seems to have the edge at this moment...
Hey Jeff are you going to try the 190/60-17 this year or stick with the smaller beginner tire ;D
LOL!
Now correct me Edgar or Stumpy if I'm wrong, but they used the new Michelin pilot sports for two solid days of riding without warmers at the Freddie Spencer school in January. Stumpy was very impressed with the grip on a bike with a stock shock.
Heather
QuoteHey Jeff are you going to try the 190/60-17 this year or stick with the smaller beginner tire ;D
Come on Clarkie... Don't throw another variable in it. Remember, I'm a creature of habit and must take baby steps.. Thus I'll be running my training tires...
Quotebut they used the new Michelin pilot sports for two solid days of riding without warmers at the Freddie Spencer school in January. Stumpy was very impressed with the grip on a bike with a stock shock.
Used them at Blackhawk in August for three days. Street tires. After three days, I could still do 13's. Tire warmers were optional.
The race tire is not the street tire.
QuoteCome on Clarkie... Don't throw another variable in it. Remember, I'm a creature of habit and must take baby steps.. Thus I'll be running my training tires...
Jeff, better check the rule book. Training wheels are no longer allowed in the MW classes. :o ;)
lol ;D
Training wheels still available in LWSS?
QuoteTraining wheels still available in LWSS?
only for South Florida boys who aren't Fat in real life...and on Dun-pops! ;D
Quote...and on Dun-pops! ;D
As we were watching the Daytona races, I told Paul that some people on the board are calling Dunlops Dun-pops. Call us sick, but we both got a pretty good chuckle out of it.
Dawn :)
QuoteTraining wheels still available in LWSS?
You'll have to call the main office on that, but I'm pretty sure you should be ok. ;)
I was working with the M4 Suzuki team at Daytona and personally was going over to Pirelli and getting Geoff May and Vincent Haskovecks tires mounted during the event. The impression I was getting was that both of them were very impressed with the Pirelli's. Geoff placed just outside of the top 5 on these tires in both of his races, plus as most of you know Vincent took his GSXR 1000 to the win on those very Pirelli's. :)
Quoteonly for South Florida boys who aren't Fat in real life...and on Dun-pops! ;D
The Dunlops worked well at Daytona, and tire wear was minimal even when turning laps as fast as 2:09s.
What?
Yep, the new Dunlops worked great at Daytona. Ran the Team Challenge, two CCS sprint races, F-USA Thunderbike qualifying and the 10-lap final (with 3 starts and warm up laps) all on the same set. And they still look good. I'm thinking they'll still be good for Friday at RA...
What are you guys paying for a set of the new GPs?
QuoteWhat are you guys paying for a set of the new GPs?
That's a good question.
The american 208gpA is like $250/set.
The Great Britain gpA is about $340 or so
Not sure what the new tri-compound tire runs. The biggest issue is even being able to source them right now...
QuoteThat's a good question.
The american 208gpA is like $250/set.
The Great Britain gpA is about $340 or so
Not sure what the new tri-compound tire runs. The biggest issue is even being able to source them right now...
That's about what I have been finding. Nobody up here even has the scoop on the tri-compund yet.
Has anybody tested the Great Britain vs. the American 208s head to head?
208's? Those are so stone age! ;)
The tires Paul used at Daytona are the new 209's and all I was hearing around the paddock was praise about these new Dunlop's.
LOL. Yeah, I know. Just curious.
QuoteHas anybody tested the Great Britain vs. the American 208s head to head?
I've run them back to back and the biggest difference was that the lifespan of the US tire was about 1/2 that of the GB (if even)...
At Loudon the 'pace' is 1.12's on a 600SS bike and the US made tires are only good for 1.14's before they start to chatter ;)
Thanks guys.
Where's the best place to purchase Great Britain gpA's? . . . Are they worth it?
I've had good (better) luck with Dunlops so that makes me a fan,
QuoteWhere's the best place to purchase Great Britain gpA's? . . . Are they worth it?
I've had good (better) luck with Dunlops so that makes me a fan,
I get mine from Matt Drucker ... www.mdracingstp.com Tell him Jeffy sent 'ya.
Get them from the track tire vendor, support him and they will support you ;)
4 and 6 is the new midwest dunlop rep
they can get them
the new tires are the 209
Can anyone tell me what makes the gp dunlops better? Wil an average medium paced guy get a benift from dunlops in either better traction or longer life (a full weekend)? Any other tire stuff I should know? Are these supposed to be better that the michellins now? ??? ??? ???
;D
Any info?
???
If you hate me :o and don't want to type alot can you just post a link with some more info? :D It is just that I have never heard of GB dunlops before.
The great britain tires are a different construction and perhaps different compound. They are noticeably different...
Mid pack amateur? Well, they'd last longer than the american made ones, but probably wouldn't do you much more good than that...
Well, I like the sportmax GP or 209 as some call them. I rode on 1 set of take offs (640s) all weekend at barber! With the old 208s I would have ate up a new rear in 4 sessions. Kept wanting to mount another rear but looking at it and thought oh it's good for another session...then another & another. The front looked liked I put 1 or 2 seesions on it! I wasn't any quicker than last year but it was my first time back on the track since the ROC.
QuoteThe great britain tires are a different construction and perhaps different compound. They are noticeably different...
Mid pack amateur? Well, they'd last longer than the american made ones, but probably wouldn't do you much more good than that...
2 last things. Yeah I'm mid pack. I only get to do Blackhawk and a few RA runs so far. My best ever at blackhawk is a high 1:17 but I normally am in the 19s. How do I know or specify that great britian dunlops? Is there a marking or a code or am I asking another dumb question? :D thanks guys!
The great britian tires say "made in great britian" on the sidewall.
If you're running below 20's at BHF, the GB's will definitely last you longer than the US made tire.
Jeff or anyone. . . Looks like the GB Dunlop's have a longer life but, is there improved traction/grip and/or feedback?
Well, yeah, the grip lasts longer. I wouldn't say that they have a lot more grip, but the US tire wears so much faster that the GB provides grip for a longer period of time...
Give the US tire a try and see how you like it. It will give you a baseline to go from, and the setup is not really that different over the GB tire.
unless you are running within 2 seconds of the lap record (of the class you are racing in) you are wasting your time spending the extra money on the GB tires
Quoteunless you are running within 2 seconds of the lap record (of the class you are racing in) you are wasting your time spending the extra money on the GB tires
:D Ha ha! Jeff? Dave?
Is there a
real advantage to the GB tires or is this more hype than truth? Hey, I race. I've bought half my gear due to hype! ;D
I'm also a high teens lapper at BHF and would love tires to still preform well on their third day. (FYI - I put a new set on for the actual races but need them to last for the following Friday practice session.)
Um, Aaron's got some very good creds...
I'm gonna say that he knows more than me, and I would trust his opinion.
is there an advantage to the BG made tires? yes, but not if you are way off the times that the tires are capable of, if you are running close to Jensen's lap times you will need the GB tires.
I have seen guys 'use up' the GB spec tires in 2 races from not having their suspension set up properly, i have then seen the same guy go for two days straight on the US tires and they looked cherry.
grip and tire life is about suspension setup and tire pressures, I could tell you what PSI you should really run the DOT tires at to run at AMA SS level but i would get in trouble with Jim Allen ;D
By all means buy the GB tires, hell it's your money you are wasting, but then again a lot of novice guys are buying VP fuel as well :)
From my experience most tire issues stem from poorly set up suspension , wrong compound tires for the track surface and or temperature of the track or wrong air pressures.
The American Dunlops will work well for 99% of all riders at all track days and local race events. Unless your within a sec or so of the lap record you should use the Americans.
If you really feel that you must spend the extra dollars then by all means purchase the GB tires.
As far as how long they last will depend on your set up , riding style , and how you heat cycle them in most cases.
Also as far as air pressure for Dunlop tires you can e mail me and i will let you know what is the recommended pressure for any midwest track. This is not any secret information and Jim allen would give it to you himself if you needed it. The pressures are not cast in stone and most tuners will adjust as needed for the riding style of the rider , they are just a recommended starting point Dunlop has found by previous testing at certain tracks.
If you have any questions please go to our website and leave a post in the forum section and i will be happy to answer any DUNLOP questions.
Jim 4&6 Racing / Midwest Dunlop Race Tire Service
www.4and6.com
There ya go! As I said, try the US tires and see what you think.
Wow! Thanks Aaron. . . er, uh "G'day Mate!" ;D (I used to sell Aprilia years ago and I know exactly who you are! (https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportbikez.net%2Fphorum%2Fdownload.php%2F18%2C140%2Fsport-smiley-12.gif&hash=39f4ae1cb2e7462966ffb8c688e56635420fc2a9) )
Good info too 4&6. I think I'll save the money (for now) and get you folks to set up my bike better. I know that Super Dave has great things to say about you. You guys also did a nice job with Don Rankin's GSXR750.
this is why it is important to buy your tires off the track vendor, you are paying for his experience and advice at the track, something you cant get from an internet discount place ;)
I would agree with Clarkie on the budget internet sites as well because they often times don't have the same tire as the trackside vendor has...
QuoteI get mine from Matt Drucker ... www.mdracingstp.com Tell him Jeffy sent 'ya.
That's not supporting your local Tire Vendor ::)
QuoteThat's not supporting your local Tire Vendor ::)
That's also not a "discount internet tire place"...
You're the "support those who support you" guy, and well, Matt supports me quite well.
just giving you shit Jeff ;)
I know Aaron... And wouldn't have it any other way ;D