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Well if you swing out to BHF I'll be there for sure. Ginngerman is a toughie. 5 hrs one way through the thief pit known as the IL Tollway.  ;D

Hey we can talk martial arts too. ;D Brown belt in Kyukido. ;D Katana's and sai's are what I used for tests. ;D

For some reason they dont think H&K SW5 is a valid martial arts weapon and Desert Eagle is a form. :o ;D

Brilliant!.

I've a hodge-podge of various styles myself.  All aimed and quick and practical.  More the "jutsu" - science than the "jitsu" - art.

Done some bo and jo (shorter than the bo, but not as short as a baton) work.  Achieving brown belt in that.  It's kinda funny how the Okinawan style with the bo is so closely adaptable to using a rifle.

You are a man after my own heart.  Given the MP5 isn't available to civilians, the SW5 is close enough.  And with a few mods....  Nothing gains instant respect from life's lower forms than a MP5 and a coupla frags.

Quote Given the MP5 isn't available to civilians, the SW5 is close enough.  And with a few mods....  Nothing gains instant respect from life's lower forms than a MP5 and a coupla frags.

Actually it is. ;) A guy I used to shoot with near Whitewater, WI has one. Also has a Class III FFL. Lets just say, full auto is fun.:D The guy and his buddy that usually is out shooting with him are both retired Seals. Lets just say they are a bit *strange*. :o ;D

COuld had got a chance to fire a M60 on sunday, but went to the bike show in chicago instead. :'(

Are you sure about it being a MP5?

You seem pretty knowlwedgeable and all.  It just sems a bit scary that something with such a short barrel and no stock is available even to a class III dealer for sale to the public.

I know if you're willing to pay the $300 add'l tax and abide by the extra rules the ATF places on ya, anyone can own a full auto.  But dang!

I would love to play with a MP5K, MP5SD (suppressed version) or get my paws on the new "personal defense" weapon the MP7A1.  Can you imagine having one of those puppies strapped on along with a suppressed USP (.45 or 9mm, it's all good) and a MP5K?  Would make the house clearing stage of a practrical shoot a real blast (no pun intended).

QuoteAre you sure about it being a MP5?

You seem pretty knowlwedgeable and all.  It just sems a bit scary that something with such a short barrel and no stock is available even to a class III dealer for sale to the public.

I know if you're willing to pay the $300 add'l tax and abide by the extra rules the ATF places on ya, anyone can own a full auto.  But dang!

I would love to play with a MP5K, MP5SD (suppressed version) or get my paws on the new "personal defense" weapon the MP7A1.  Can you imagine having one of those puppies strapped on along with a suppressed USP (.45 or 9mm, it's all good) and a MP5K?  Would make the house clearing stage of a practrical shoot a real blast (no pun intended).

It was a MP5. That tax stamp is more than toss $200 to the ATF, you still need a signed letter of approval from the head LEO of your area. Still if state laws forbid it, you'r SOL. WI allows full auto and suppressor ownership with proper papers. Problem is finding a range thats NFA friendly.

The MP5K is a riot, I have one belonging to a buddy of mine a few times.  Liquid lead, and way teeny.  I also had the pleasure of spending a little "quality time" with an HK53, my personal favorite of that company's line.  Compact enough for a house clearing, but powerful enough to reach out and touch if needed.  You'd obviously need to run frangible stuff for CQB indoors, but that tool was glass smooth and wicked accurate for such a compact piece.  

The rails on that MP7A1 look like they'd make it a very adaptable piece, H.  I hadn't checked that out before seeing your post.  I'm still partial to a good 'ol AR-based 10" (Colt Commando or XM177E1 style) collapsible.  Nothin' wrong with American iron when it's set up right.   ;)

H and Rob in the same place.  Now THAT would be something.

Mental image of Rob doing martial arts.....  

... sorry, I can't help but giggle.   ;D


Rob, you have more of a wrestler's physique.

 ;)

QuoteFor some reason they dont think H&K SW5 is a valid martial arts weapon and Desert Eagle is a form. :o ;D

In my training we did...

http://www.busseystyle.com/vi.shtml

I like the MP5.

Almost got a hold of a Thompson.  

Should have bought an Ingram MAC10 that was offered to me about ten years ago.  It had a silencer with it too.

Remember the movie "The Soldier"...?

QuoteMental image of Rob doing martial arts.....  

... sorry, I can't help but giggle.   ;D


Rob, you have more of a wrestler's physique.

 ;)

How about this one to really make you giggle....

Rob in Sumo attire! ;D

[In my best yackov Smirmov, Russian accent] Wisconsin.  What a state!

Rob, you guys can legally \ own suppressors there?!  Damn!  I thought operable suppressors were illegal on the federal level.  One thing that puts you in sort of a Catch-22 is if you're a civilian wanting to get a new piece for the suppressor.  The '94 Clinton crime bill's firearm provisions made the sale of handguns and rifles with threaded barrels (for..uh... flash suppressors) illegal.  Oh well, if you already own it or buy it privately, you're cool.

[note to self, must add Rob's tel. number to PDA and cell]

03R6-Rider, evrything you noted is dead on.  And I have no problem with American iron (ARs, Springfield Armory.  Is Kimber American?).  But... when the pucker factor is high, I'd just feel a little better with a SIG, HK or Glock for a sidearm.

QuoteI always prefered an M203 8)

No joke Dave!

That's another thing that was unfortunately banned in the '94 Crime bill.  The ability for a rifle to accept a genade launcher.

But I wonder if I can own a straight forward launcher....  Naaaa.  When it comes to urban or street defense, nothing beats a few grenades.  Flash-bangs, concussion or the ever popular, sure to change the mind of any would-be mugger (once you remind them that unlike in the movies, they WILL NOT out run the effective range) frag grenade.

What?  Me sick?  I don't think so.  I'm as gentle as a tiger...er... bear...uh.... ;) ;D

I'm picturing Rob and H sparring in the swamp at Blackhawk. :o  H, picture Rob as a Ninja turtle without the shell. ;D

Personally, I've never been facinated by guns.  To me, they're tools.  Buy what you need, keep it handy, stay proficient, and hope you never have to kill anyone.  Don't get me wrong.  I enjoy firing them, and even cleaning them.  It's just that guns don't inspire me to worship them the way bikes do! ::)

That's a great perspective Chris.  Just some of us need to/like to cycle a lota rounds to achieve and maintain proficiency.  But profieiency is the key.

I can just picture a certain person who used to post here.  Let's just call him "he who shall not be named".  Well Ole he who shall not be named was writing about having a gun in the house at the ready.  Oh too many people buy a gun for self defense then only fire 50 or less rds/year.  Now that's dangerous.  Hopefully they take out the gun once a month to clean it, handle it and remain familiar with it.

Anyway, who could beleive what ole Voldamordt (oops) posted anyway?  

QuoteI'm picturing Rob and H sparring in the swamp at Blackhawk. :o  H, picture Rob as a Ninja turtle without the shell. ;D

We are a match!  I've the personality of Michaelangelo (of TMNT fame).  Been thinking of osne of those guys as artwork for the back of my leathers.

Bo against a sai.  Hmmmm.... Would be interesting. ;)   Leave your katana at home.  I'm not that good to go up against that. 8)

Thinking of ole "he who shall not be named", how the hel! did he ever do it?  I mean his profile shows him as registering here on 3/23/04 yet he had 2644 posts.

I've been here over a year and don't even have a third of that.

Was he doing a bunch of two word posts?  Breaking upi his replies into multiple posts?  I suppose that'd the the BBS equivalent of sounding like William Shatner delivering... some... line.   Must... get... back.... on... topic.

Anyway, just an idle thought and question.

QuoteThe MP5K is a riot, I have one belonging to a buddy of mine a few times.

Ooooh, my bad, just re-read my post - that should read "I have shot one."   :-[  High-end HK's are a little to rich for this boy's blood.  

Quote I mean his profile shows him as registering here on 3/23/04 yet he had 2644 posts..

I'm probably going to regret posting this - but what the heck.  

I had this brilliant idea last night of compiling all 2644 posts into a book of comedy.  Naw.... it'd probably become a best seller and then I'd have to fork over some of the royalties to him!  

But can you imagine having all 2644 posts in one spot to read thru and be able to track all the bizarre tangents he went off on.

But then again, it could become evidence for anyone who wanted to build a case for the evils of the internet! ;D

QuoteRob, you guys can legally \ own suppressors there?!  Damn!  I thought operable suppressors were illegal on the federal level.  One thing that puts you in sort of a Catch-22 is if you're a civilian wanting to get a new piece for the suppressor.  The '94 Clinton crime bill's firearm provisions made the sale of handguns and rifles with threaded barrels (for..uh... flash suppressors) illegal.  Oh well, if you already own it or buy it privately, you're cool.

H, I believe the '94 Clinton ban sunset as of last September.  At this point, threaded barrels and other combinations of such "evil"  ::) features are once again OK.  Same with high-cap magazines, etc.  

Suppressors, SBR's and SBS's are covered under the NFA of 1934.  They are "legal" (at the federal level) with proper approvals.  As Rob notes, in many states all you need is a local LEO signature and the right paperwork.  Unfortunately, in Michigan, there are State laws prohibiting some specifically:

"There is no provision in Michigan law for the acquisition and possession of an automatic weapon by a private citizen, nor is there any provision for the issuance of permits ...for a machine gun or weapon equipped with a silencer by a private individual"
Excerpt from "State Laws and Published Ordinances - Firearms"  ATF P 5300.5

SBR and SBS in Michigan can be had only with certain licensing and if they fall into the "Curio and Relic" category.   The Man has lots of hoops to jump thru in Michigan.

Hoops or do homemade things.  Have an exchange barrel that's threaded.

But to tell you the truth, it's not as simple as placing a silencer on any old threaded barrel.  If it isn't made to be a hush-puppy - retarded slide, etc - then you'll still have a boatload of noise.

Guess I'll just have to do with SS .22s.  In CQB, they're swift, silent and ....

QuoteGuess I'll just have to do with SS .22s.  In CQB, they're swift, silent and ....

Uh... allow me to set the record straight.  It's not like I'm sitting here ready to go Postal.  Just marveling at some ingenius little creations.

Let's talk IEDs.



j/k

Hehe!  H, with all of this talk of homemade "quiet" tools, IED's, and subsonic rimfire - you're a man after my own heart.   ;D

The limited experience I have with improvised suppression on subsonic .22 suggests your comments are right on the money.  Pretty wild to hear a dull "thoomp," overwhelemed by the slap of the bolt against the stop.  Experiments in pest control, entertainment value at its highest.

QuoteWe are a match!  I've the personality of Michaelangelo (of TMNT fame).  Been thinking of osne of those guys as artwork for the back of my leathers.

Bo against a sai.  Hmmmm.... Would be interesting. ;)   Leave your katana at home.  I'm not that good to go up against that. 8)

If it would make you feel better, my bokken (wood training sword) vs your bo. ;D

And yes Hman, if you come to BHF, bring your sparring gear.  ;D Havent kicked anyone in the head in a few years. ;D (Yes Dawn, I can kick to the head. Dont like to, but can. I love hook kicks).  ;D

Yes 03R6, the AWB sunsetted in Sept. Only thing that still is illegal is folding stocks on AK's due to being banned before the 94 bill.

I'm not nuts. At least thats what Phoenix tells me. :o ;D

QuoteAnd yes Hman, if you come to BHF, bring your sparring gear.  ;D Havent kicked anyone in the head in a few years. ;D (Yes Dawn, I can kick to the head. Dont like to, but can. I love hook kicks).  ;D

Himmm......

You only go up to my shoulder, I don't know if you could get a foot that high. You just may pull something.

 ;)

I saw a guy's eye socket shattered at a tournament a number of years ago by a hook kick. Not pretty.

And as far as a silencer goes...just uses a nice pillow like they do in the movies, after all, it's a lot cheaper.  :o ;)

Postal...do those guys even get any work to do any more?  :P

Yeah, just walk with a pillow under your jacket or try one of those 2 liter bottles like on TV.

Hook kick, eh?  Too Hollywood for me.  Definitely effective, but I've never been one to go into styles or practice O-waza that seemed to rely on there being even terrain, no snow or gravel, or simply presuming good footing, light shoes (ha!) and loose pants.  My kicks have always been the knee and below.

I think we'd have a ton of fun.  Whether in a mild randori or just talking through the moves with the occasional demonstration.

Though I guess you missed my subtle attempt to stack things in my favor (just ask your shooting partners.  It's one of the main rules - never give the other guy a fair chance).  I like the idea of my bo vs. your sai ;D

QuoteYeah, just walk with a pillow under your jacket or try one of those 2 liter bottles like on TV.

Hook kick, eh?  Too Hollywood for me.  Definitely effective, but I've never been one to go into styles or practice O-waza that seemed to rely on there being even terrain, no snow or gravel, or simply presuming good footing, light shoes (ha!) and loose pants.  My kicks have always been the knee and below.

I think we'd have a ton of fun.  Whether in a mild randori or just talking through the moves with the occasional demonstration.

Though I guess you missed my subtle attempt to stack things in my favor (just ask your shooting partners.  It's one of the main rules - never give the other guy a fair chance).  I like the idea of my bo vs. your sai ;D

For tourny's we had to keep kicks above the belt (I did try to tie it around my forehead one day in class when I had to spar the instructor. Can we say bad idea. ;D He took me to the floor faster than Rosie Odonnell scarfs a twinkie. ;D). For street fighting, anythign goes. I have no problem going with steel toed boots to the groin if the case needs be.:D

Although I unfortunately had to use my training this christmas on some kid who tried to push me. He ended up against the wall with his right arm in a bar with my right hand grabbing his throat against a wall. Its amazing how fast it comes back. Thats not why I started taking martial arts. I only took it to help lose weight.

Dawn, I was within 3" of being able to do full chinese splits. :o ;D

QuoteI saw a guy's eye socket shattered at a tournament a number of years ago by a hook kick. Not pretty.

AKF has some serious rules about kicks to the head, while allowed, you are supposed to pull them. In my 4 yrs the worse I seen was a broken nose and that was the instructor.

QuoteRob, you have more of a wrestler's physique.

 ;)

More like a "Oompa Loompa" if you ask me!  :o ;D ;)
I crack myself up sometimes!  ;D

QuoteYou just may pull something.

 ;)

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

QuoteMore like a "Oompa Loompa" if you ask me!  :o ;D ;)
I crack myself up sometimes!  ;D

LOL!!!

You crack me up too!

Dawn   ;)

QuoteDawn, I was within 3" of being able to do full chinese splits. :o ;D

Um...If you took your pants off you might have been able to make up the 3"... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Alexa remind me to give you a noogie at BHF. ;D

QuoteUm...If you took your pants off you might have been able to make up the 3"... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Only if homeboy popped a boner.