is the bump to expert list correct?
http://www.formulausa.com/forms/05%20License%20Renewal%20Mailer
Quoteis the bump to expert list correct?
http://www.formulausa.com/forms/05%20License%20Renewal%20Mailer
I don't believe CCS would intentionally publish an incorrect list, you should be a little more specific with your question? :)
Oh boy! Here we go again! :P
Its only that I noticed there is a few people missing that won national championships.
the list seemed awefully short.
Good. Now that I'm an expert, you can keep all the cherry picking nat'l champ amateurs in the novice class.
Good result on the F40 rules too.
Here we go...
1--The rules committee (sp?) changed the minimum points to 750 to bump, instead of the past 500 minimum. Thus, far fewer bumps.
2--I don't think I missed anyone, but if I did, please let me know. The bump list isn't the end all, be all.
1 - 750 POINTS
2 - REGIONAL CHAMP,TRACK CHAMP
3 - FINISHED TOP 5 AT ROC
DAVID ANDERSON 914 POINTS
DAVID CHAPLAIN 759 POINTS
AM ULTRALIGHTWEIGHT SUPERBIKE
1ST PLACE AT ROC - NICHOLE HOFFMAN
AM THUNDERBIKE
4TH PLACE AT ROC - RICK BREEN
AM FORMULA 40
5TH PLACE AT ROC - ROBERT GREER
ALSO THE RACE OF CHAMPIONS BONUS MONEY IS A GREAT IDEA.
I didn't win any trophies this year as an expert. Is there such a thing as being bumped back down? ;D
Does the performance index count more than the point total? As a first year Am. my point total was high but not performance index.
QuoteDoes the performance index count more than the point total? As a first year Am. my point total was high but not performance index.
When you send in your letter to stay amateur, they will look at your performance index.
Dawn :)
DaveSV. I had the same issue last year, entered lots of races to get experience fast, but still had a lot to learn (still do).
Put your perf. index AND your lap times (particularly as a % of winning expert and winning amateur times) in your ltr petitioning to stay down. A good reason to stay down is that your amateur perf. index is low and reflects that your lap times are too slow to be safe riding w/ experts.
i am not on the list that advanced, but is that the final list?
FYI--some people that are not listed on the bump list have already bumped at the end of the 2004 season. That would explain the people missing.
Do we still have to apply for our licenses before the end of the year to keep our comp numbers?
The cut-off is now January 23rd.
QuoteWhen you send in your letter to stay amateur, they will look at your performance index.
Dawn :)
Wait a minute. Are you saying that your perf. index
is not considered to bump you......but it can work against
you if you want to stay amature?
QuoteI didn't win any trophies this year as an expert. Is there such a thing as being bumped back down? ;D
If CCS went strictly by performance index, they wouldn't bump me back to Amateur, I would have to take the new racer licensing school again! ;D ;)
QuoteWait a minute. Are you saying that your perf. index
is not considered to bump you......but it can work against
you if you want to stay amature?
CCS needs a starting point to determine when they bump a rider from amateur to expert. That starting point is 750 points. If you petition to stay amateur, you better have a good reason, one of those reasons may be your performance index. If you performance index is low, you have a better chance of staying amateur, if it's high, less of a chance.
Does that help?
Dawn ;)
So if you had a high performance index this would
mean you were more competitive than the points
would indicate?
Thus, you could enter only one class per weekend, win every race in a 10 race schedule, and still be 100
points shy of the criteria to be bumped?
???
QuoteSo if you had a high performance index this would
mean you were more competitive than the points
would indicate?
Thus, you could enter only one class per weekend, win every race in a 10 race schedule, and still be 100
points shy of the criteria to be bumped?
???
No because then you would have won a class championship and would be bumped for that.
Quote If CCS went strictly by performance index, they wouldn't bump me back to Amateur, I would have to take the new racer licensing school again! ;D ;)
ROFLMAO!!! ;D ;D ;D ;) 2005 is right around the corner Mike, put your knee down and go for it!!
Quote If CCS went strictly by performance index, they wouldn't bump me back to Amateur, I would have to take the new racer licensing school again! ;D ;)
New class proposal! Formula ISUCK!!!!
QuoteNew class proposal! Formula ISUCK!!!!
I'll sign up for that class every round ;D
QuoteI'll sign up for that class every round ;D
Man, I just CAN'T WAIT to line up next to you! ::)
QuoteMan, I just CAN'T WAIT to line up next to you! ::)
;D What are you trying to say ??? Spit it out :)
so, if a racer won 10 rounds of any single AM class they still would not qualify to be on the bump list? that does not seem right....
or if a racer really sucked but had lots of cash and entered virtually every AM class event got lapped 10 times each race but accumulated 751 points they could be an Expert?
Can anyone explain the logic behind raising the total point count from 500 to 750?
QuoteNew class proposal! Formula ISUCK!!!!
LOL!!!!!
;D
QuoteNew class proposal! Formula ISUCK!!!!
LMAO! ;D That's awesome, I 2nd that motion! ;D LOL ;)
QuoteROFLMAO!!! ;D ;D ;D ;) 2005 is right around the corner Mike, put your knee down and go for it!!
Sounds good Mike, I'm planning on doing just that very thing. :)
Quoteso, if a racer won 10 rounds of any single AM class they still would not qualify to be on the bump list? that does not seem right....
As Eric already said, you would have most likely won the championship in that class with those finishes so that would force an upgrade automatically. The chances of this situation arising are very slim though, due to the fact that if your new and running only 1 class per event you probably wouldn't be able to win as described. On the other side of the coin is if you were that good you most likely would be running at least 2 or 3 classes per event so you would have a lot more than 750 points with consistent top 5 finishes. And yet another issue is double points and twin sprint events which are part of almost every regions schedule, they would push that rider over 750 points as well.
Quoteor if a racer really sucked but had lots of cash and entered virtually every AM class event got lapped 10 times each race but accumulated 751 points they could be an Expert?
Can anyone explain the logic behind raising the total point count from 500 to 750?
Expert status is more about knowing what your doing than just lap times. A rider who is able to meet the 750 points in the least amount of races as an Amateur has shown that they understand the fundamentals of racing in order to run up front. This rider may not be the safest or smoothest racer out there but they do understand enough to be faster than the majority of Amateurs. Typically this type of rider is entering multiple classes per event and will gain experience quickly (not to be read as improved skill, though that will improve somewhat as well even without instruction. Seeking instruction to help improve will advance their ability the quickest).
The opposite senerio is the last place Amateur that gets lapped 3 times in a sprint. This person may still be able to achieve the 750 points by the end of the season thru multiple class entries per event in classes with lower entries (so as to get the most amount of points for last place). Even this person will most likely improve during the season by running lap after lap after lap which will make them a more knowledgable racer. The amount of track time that would be required by this person to meet the 750 point bump would be substantially more than the fast guy senerio.
The slow guy example is the reason CCS raised the points from 500 to 750, so as to require the person to have more experience before meeting the Expert bump level. Too many racer that weren't ready to go Expert were meeting the 500 point level by the end of the season. By raising this point it would require someone who constantly finished 20th in their races to run 9 more races before they would reach the 750 points. Confidence is the big issue with advancement, those extra 9 races may be enough to gain that added confidence. If the person still isn't confident with their ability then they can petition to be held back for 1 year after having surpassed the 750 point level. :)
Quoteso, if a racer won 10 rounds of any single AM class they still would not qualify to be on the bump list? that does not seem right....
or if a racer really sucked but had lots of cash and entered virtually every AM class event got lapped 10 times each race but accumulated 751 points they could be an Expert?
Can anyone explain the logic behind raising the total point count from 500 to 750?
DING DING DING.... we have a winner!
You would enter more than one class, GSXR Mike,
if your bike was legal in them. Not all of us ride SV's.
Is this based on Amature "Selective" Points?
What, excactly does "selective" mean?
QuoteIs this based on Amature "Selective" Points?
What, excactly does "selective" mean?
Only points from certain classes count toward the overall point total.
They are:
Lightweight Supersport, Middleweight Supersport, Heavyweight Supersport, Unlimited Supersport, Ultra-lightweigt Superbike, Lightweight Superbike, Middleweight Superbike, Heavyweight Superbike, Lightweight GP, Middleweight GP, Unlimited GP, GTL, GTU, GTO.
I don't know if Unlimited Superbike will count toward overall points. Supertwins does not and they are running together.
I believe it was raised to 750 to allow for double points races. That's just my opinion, though.
They will look at your lap times in the petition.
Heather
Is it only "Selective" points that count towards the 750 total. LW/F40 points only count for that class?
QuoteIs it only "Selective" points that count towards the 750 total. LW/F40 points only count for that class?
I don't know that only selective points count. But selective points are what I listed above. Check the rulebook for a definite answer.
Heather
I would like some one to clear this up for me. I am one of the names listed earlier as not being listed on the bump list. This was my first year, I raced LW/SS, LW/SB, & LW/F40, if you count all three classes I have 1400+ points with no class championships. My performance index average is 500+. I just want to make sure that the list is correct, and I can send my '05 paper work back and not have a problem at the first race with yellow plates on the bike. I am not trying to sandbag. just do the right thing.
The F40 (or LWF40) points don't count for the 750 pt bump purposes.
Mike, Heather---You guys are my heroes! You're going to put me out of a job!
If you win the points in a class, are you automatically bumped up?
No matter what?
I have a long excuse list.
Yes, if you win a class championship you are automatically bumped.
White plates here I come...be easy on me guys. :-/