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Racing Discussion => Racing Discussion => Topic started by: TZDeSioux on November 01, 2002, 11:10:10 AM

Title: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 01, 2002, 11:10:10 AM
Chuck Sorensen did not qualify for the 250GP race. Chris Peris did not qualify for the 125GP race. What does that tell us about the level of the riders in the WGP?  ???
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TreyBone on November 01, 2002, 11:18:02 AM
Dude, those European guys are fast as shit. Motorcycle racing over there is like NASCAR here. Those guys are hero's in Europe.  I heard that some of the racers over there have there own street names in towns and stuff. Fact of the matter is ( in my opinion) that if you race in Europe you better have your shit together.  Those guys are the fastest in the world and always have been for the most part of history. There are a few exceptions - Lawson, Rainey, Schwantz, Spencer, Roberts etc.   I mean, look at Hopkins.  He won the Formula Xtreme Championship here in 2001 and has been getting his ass smoked all year in MotoGP.
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 01, 2002, 11:21:48 AM
Trey,
I agree with you.. but wouldn't you think a rider as fast as Chuck Sorensen should atleast be able to qualify? After all.. he is our current AMA 250GP Champion. ???
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: sdiver68 on November 01, 2002, 11:27:46 AM
WTF?

Trey, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hopkins have several top tens this year riding a 2 stroke?  Isn't he on Dunlops where all the fast guys are on Michelins?  Isn't he a teenager going to many of these tracks for the first time against the world's best?

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html

Those "few exceptions" you mentioned account for how many of the World Championships in the past 20 years?

Didn't Colin Edwards win World SBK 2 of the past 3 years?
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: sportbikepete on November 01, 2002, 11:30:26 AM
Not an excuse rather an observation. How much do the guys riding there get on that track compared to a 1 off by Chuck? I know the first time I went to VIR I got my ass smoked, but at other tracks I had been on at least once before I did fairly well. Racing is so much in the head. Ru$$ell is pretty damn good and did not fair that well over in Europe. It is a whole different game over there.
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 01, 2002, 11:33:18 AM
I think everyone is missing the point.... OUR BEST THIS YEAR DID NOT QUALIFY! Nobody asked him to win or even get on the podium! If you are given a wildcard ride.. shouldn't you atleast freaking qualify??????
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 01, 2002, 11:39:18 AM
Quotean  Ru$$ell is pretty damn good and did not fair that well over in Europe. It is a whole different game over there.

Well Ru$$sell did win the WSBK Championship.... :)
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: sdiver68 on November 01, 2002, 12:00:08 PM
No, I didn't miss that point, I chose to skip over it and instead challenge the "superiority" of European racers.  ;)

I'm sure Chuck Sorensen does not represents our best.  Sure, he won the AMA 250 championship, but 2 stroke racing does not attract the talent over here that it does in other parts of the World, simply because 2 stroke street bikes are illegal here.  Simply put, not enough people care about 2 stroke racing in the US to even contest it.



Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: SliderPhoto on November 01, 2002, 12:09:42 PM
Is there an interview? Maybe he had bike or setup problems.
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: Dawn on November 01, 2002, 12:24:47 PM
According to RRW:

107% cut-off time: 1:42.597

DNQ. Chuck Sorensen, Aprilia, 1:43.312*

*Broke a transmission gear early in the session and pitted for repairs.

Dawn   :)
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 01, 2002, 01:09:39 PM
QuoteAccording to RRW:

107% cut-off time: 1:42.597

DNQ. Chuck Sorensen, Aprilia, 1:43.312*

*Broke a transmission gear early in the session and pitted for repairs.

Dawn   :)

Good thing it was mechanical... It annoyed me that our 250GP champion couldn't qualify at the world level.
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 01, 2002, 01:19:27 PM
QuoteNo, I didn't miss that point, I chose to skip over it and instead challenge the "superiority" of European racers.  ;)

I'm sure Chuck Sorensen does not represents our best.  Sure, he won the AMA 250 championship, but 2 stroke racing does not attract the talent over here that it does in other parts of the World




I disagree... Colin Edwards, Kenny Roberts Jr., John Kocinski, Wayne Rainey, etc etc... all raced 250GP here in the states at one time or another. Also look at Jason Disalvo....ex 250GP kid... look what he did to the formula usa guys at daytona..
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: Ripper on November 01, 2002, 03:32:44 PM
Also, spain is like the mc race capital of the world.They have youth racing like we have little league.That means an incredible amount of privateers who know the track better than Chuck.it makes the 107% qualifing effort that much harder.
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: sdiver68 on November 01, 2002, 03:40:15 PM
QuoteI disagree... Colin Edwards, Kenny Roberts Jr., John Kocinski, Wayne Rainey, etc etc... all raced 250GP here in the states at one time or another. Also look at Jason Disalvo....ex 250GP kid... look what he did to the formula usa guys at daytona..

At one point or another I bet they all played kick ball in Elementary Gym....  ;)
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: r6_philly on November 02, 2002, 02:13:38 PM
Chuck did not qualify in Friday's session.

He qualified today at 27th, 6 seconds off the leader's time.

We don't know what bike he is riding, I doubt the bike he is on is competitive against the leading regular GP riders'.

Peris qualified today in 38th, about 7 seconds off the leader.
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: FullMoonRacing on November 04, 2002, 01:49:02 AM
Sorenson gridded last, finished last.
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 04, 2002, 05:48:54 AM
It was definately cool to see Chuck out there. I kinda laughed my butt off after Melandri, Rolfo and Alzamorra lapped him and then he turned around and there was a train of the next pack on his ass... it was probably a very humbling experience for him but I'm glad he ended up qualifying and finishing.  :)
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 04, 2002, 05:50:39 AM
QuoteAt one point or another I bet they all played kick ball in Elementary Gym....  ;)


That does it! you and me... at 3 Oclock at the west playground!  >:(  ;D
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: motomadness on November 04, 2002, 05:55:45 AM
He didn't finish last.  That's just what they posted TV.  He actually finished 21st out of 27 riders.  I think at one time he had passed one other rider.  Not sure if the six people that finished behind him all crashed out, or if he passed them on the way to 21st, they don't classify them after 21st place.

Confirmed: on the motogp.com website, it list him as finishing in front of one other rider that was on the same lap he finished on, everyone else crashed 11 or more laps earlier.
Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: sdiver68 on November 04, 2002, 08:35:32 AM
QuoteThat does it! you and me... at 3 Oclock at the west playground!  >:(  ;D

I thought we already did that,

http://www.ccsracing.com/results/0903%20BHF%20Aug%20Rslts.htm

;)


Title: Re: Valencia Grand Prix
Post by: TZDeSioux on November 04, 2002, 08:44:02 AM
QuoteI thought we already did that,

http://www.ccsracing.com/results/0903%20BHF%20Aug%20Rslts.htm

;)



school playground not blackhawk farms!  ???