Any info regarding these two topics would be greatly appreciated, e.g. cost, suppliers, availability, best on market, resources to fabricate these setups, etc...
With the upcoming Team Challenge and Endurance events in '05 it would also be good to get some feedback from teams that have run these series before and get an idea of what they have done.
Once again, thanks in advance for any info anyone might have!
PVM makes a setup
PVM... do you have a contact number or website for them?? Thanks!
call me, I have an entire quick fuel setup for sale. Used for FUSA Team Challange.
Tank
Dry brake male and female ends
Nascar style quick fuel style fuel can
etc...
Brian
brgracing1@cs.com
414-916-9559
You might want to think about running SS instead of SB. Less costly, MWSS has good competetion.
I spent close to $2500 for my fuel tank and dump can[it's a dual dry brake] PVM setup cost big bucks. You might want to get your feet wet in SS first before you spend big $$ on SB.
i bought the whole set up for 800.00 and everyone tells me what a bargin I got.
Yup, just make sure all your seals are good.
Fittings are $900 for a dual set-up,then modifing the tank, and buying or building the dump can.
The quick change wheel set-up varies, depending on how crafty you are.If you have access to a machine shop, that's the hot ticket.
QuoteYou might want to think about running SS instead of SB. Less costly, MWSS has good competetion.
The classes are GTO, GTO and GTl which are all GP based so there is no SS class.
For the tire change stuff most races can be run on a single front tire and a rear tire change is only really needed on VERy fast machines and very fast tracks. The only time quick change stuff becomes a real issue is during a rain race and in most cases when it first starts raining a rider or two ends up falling and results in a red flag. During the red flag you cna take your time to do the tire change so the expense for a tru quick change harware is not worth the money (roughly 10k for rear and two spare wheels and 15k for front forks, triples, brakes and 2 wheels). SO I recomend a
quicker change hardware, like captive spacers and captive chain adjusters. PRACTICE pit stops. Also most pre-04 bikes can run race with only one fuel stop so a single dry break that is only 3-5 seconds slower than a dual dry break is generally money better spent.
Right, but they are talking about running WERA Endurance also. You can get 1hr on a stock 600 tank.
BRP is correct and in WERA, you are not allowed to touch your bike during a red flag, it is stated in the rule book. The problem with the pvm quick change is that it accepts only Ohlins or WP forks. Kind of frustrating when you can get the OEM forks to work almost as good with Ohlins or WP internals and a good suspension guru to set them up with one of the various valving kits that are available. Right now the solution is one crew member pulling the right caliper, another loosening the axle,putting fresh tire on, another crew member/rider pulling the left caliper off, while the fresh rider awaits. I figure with some practice 5 minutes ?? Hmm, it is going to a learning experience :D
For the forks, it is a much better deal to use early non radial mount front forks to speed pit stops, or make a set fo triple clamps and rotor spacers that simply move all of the braking outboard of the rim.
The Radial mounts work fine that way, and with a small set of ramps and captive spacers, you have a 10 second front wheel swap.
One guy changing both wheels on a 2004 GSXR 600 should be no more than 2min, think power tools and hex headswith two guys on the front, and one on the rear without the quickchange, it should be under a min, even with the radial mounts.
for the fuel tank, if it is legal to have it enlarged, do so... If you can stretch the pit stops, thats free time right there and to go from 4 to 3 or 5 to 4 is even better, assuming you have riders that can go that long...
QuotePRACTICE pit stops.
THAT is key. I think we spent a good 3 hours in the garage the weekend before Daytona this past spring practicing our pit stop.
We got our pit stop down to 37 seconds on an '03 R6, changing a rear tire and complete refuel - without any of that fancy quick change or quick fill stuff. The only piece of equipment we bought was a $179 electric impact gun to spin the rear axle nut off - and that gun has been pretty helpful to have around outside of pit stops.
The only track where we had to change a rear tire in 2004 was Daytona. Every other track, we made it through on one set of tires.
Fueling without a quick fill is kind of a pain, but it's manageable if you get a big funnel, and predetermine the amount of fuel you'll be adding. We usually used a practice day before the race at the track to calculate fuel mileage - from there, we knew how long we could go before the light came on... and we knew *exactly* how much fuel we'd need. We set up several fuel cans with exactly that amount in them... so when we came in for a pit stop - you'd just empty the fuel can into the bike. No worries about over-filling, etc.
Another factor is I am considering that our team run the Middleweight Supersport class as opposed to the Superbike class, since it will keep another team from having a big advantage on us if they have quick change equipment and dry brake dump. The money can also be spent on spares, that will keep us running if we should be hit with mechanical problems. Food for thought.......
hmmmm... SS sounds good to me. Give me a call and we'll talk. Right now I'm coming down off a 7p-7a work stint... uuuuggghhh. Where's the Sobe No Fear at ;D
Overnight shifts..ugh. I am on midnight to 830 next week...total cr*p....