after reading K3's deliverance thread then I saw this. Guys if you are going hunting think about what hunting is about.
http://www.yahoo.com/_ylh=X3oDMTB2MXQ5MTU3BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtaWU-/s/221349
Exactly....
First, you do not hunt on other peoples property.
Second, no deer is worth losing your life over.
Dawn >:(
QuoteExactly....
First, you do not hunt on other peoples property.
Second, no deer is worth losing your life over.
Dawn >:(
Exactly.
And people wonder why I want a bullet proof vest with level 5 trauma plates. :-/
More and more I hear on this, the worse it gets. Apparently this a$$hat got kicked off the property, came back and stalked the victims. One repoert was only 1 victim was even armed.
I'm really anxious to know how that conversation went.... At what point did it go from "hey you, get out of my deer stand" to shots fired?
People with guns shooting at people with guns... it just doesn't make sense.
It's much different than people perceive. When you ask to hunt on Private Property, it's usually because you have staked out the area and followed the animals travel patterns for a couple months. We use squirell season as a means to begin the final stages of tracking. Therefore you spend months planning exactly where you want the stand, and yes, it's very disturbing to come into your stand only to find someone in it. I have been in this situation and it can be extremely hostile because you are packing a large weapon, as is the hunter in your stand. I would assume it's more than "hey you get out of my stand".
Related, but totally unrelated...
Jack B came over today and we did some dirt riding through the fields around my house. Ran into 2 different sets of 'orange'. Decided to keep VERY close to the house after that. Don't need anyone pissed off at me.
I was just surprised at how close they can hunt from the roads and houses (or maybe my judgement of distance is bad).
Depending on which state you live in, you aren't allowed as a standard to shoot from a vehicle on any public road, nor are you allowed to shoot across any public road. In many states the ruling is you have to be 100 yards away from the road. It's odd that they were even that close to your home...
This is the state of WI reglations regarding road hunting:
Road hunting
Highway means the entire width between the boundary lines of every public road, but does not include private roads and driveways. Roadway means the portion of the highway which is improved or ordinarily used for vehicle travel, excluding the berm or shoulder. Public road means those
roads shown on the current, official county highway map available from the Department of Transportation.
It is illegal to:
1. Hunt within 50 feet from the roadway's center, or
2. Discharge a firearm, shoot an arrow from a bow, or a bolt from a crossbow:
a. From or across a highway, or
b. Within 50 feet of the roadway's center.
The above prohibition applies to all public roads (defined above). However, anyone hunting small game with a muzzleloader or shotgun loaded with shot size BB or smaller is exempt from these prohibitions if the roadway is unpaved (dirt, sand or gravel). Exceptions: Certain exceptions are allowed for Class A and B disabled permit holders. Call the nearest DNR Service Center (page 67) for an explanation of these exceptions.
Dawn
In regards to a house....
shoot a firearm within 100 yards of a building devoted to human occupancydwhile on lands you do not own without the permission of the owner or occupant of that building.
QuoteIn regards to a house....
shoot a firearm within 100 yards of a building devoted to human occupancydwhile on lands you do not own without the permission of the owner or occupant of that building.
How about us that shoot pistols in the basement? ;D ;D ;D Friend has a range set up in his basement. I wonder if the neighbors were wonderiung about him dragging railroad ties and sandbags up teh ying/yang to the basement.:D
QuoteIt's much different than people perceive. When you ask to hunt on Private Property, it's usually because you have staked out the area and followed the animals travel patterns for a couple months. We use squirell season as a means to begin the final stages of tracking. Therefore you spend months planning exactly where you want the stand, and yes, it's very disturbing to come into your stand only to find someone in it. I have been in this situation and it
can be extremely hostile because you are packing a large weapon, as is the hunter in your stand. I would assume it's more than "hey you get out of my stand".
Your assumption would be correct...I does get extremely heated at times...myself being a hunter I do not just ask for permission to hunt on said property...I establish a very good repore and even offer to help with some of the farm chores if need be...Currently I have been given written authority by the land owner to prosecute trespassers to the fullest extent the law allows...Yes, I am an ASS to all trespassers... ;D I may not even see them but, I know where they hunt when trespassing...So, being the ass that I am I just have their truck towed and leave a "Friendly" reminder in its place... ;D That is usually all it takes...Due to the fact that I usually stop back by to see the dumbfounded look they have on their face... ;D
I worked very hard to gain access to have a place for my son & I to hunt...The last thing I need is some "Do Funny" that steps in the woods once a year and says he knows what he is doing emptying his auto loader at a deer that is standing still 20 yds in front of him... ::) and yes this happens alot...
Just for the record, Dawn. The last night Laura and I were camping at your place, I took the dogs out for a poddy break around 2 am. We walked down by your barn. A car came whipping around the corner, sweeping the trees with a spotlight. A few minutes later, I heard a shot. I'm just glad they didn't open up on me or the dogs!
QuoteJust for the record, Dawn. The last night Laura and I were camping at your place, I took the dogs out for a poddy break around 2 am. We walked down by your barn. A car came whipping around the corner, sweeping the trees with a spotlight. A few minutes later, I heard a shot. I'm just glad they didn't open up on me or the dogs!
They were arrested and the DNR now has a nice rifle to added to thier collection. Sorry you had to experience that.
I called the DNR warden again last night for after hours hunting. The one draw back about living out in the middle of nowhere is those who think that they can shine and poach at will. They don't realise that those who live here are getting better at getting descriptions of vehicles, recording of circumstances, and locating the evidence. We're just fed up with dealing with this crap.
Dawn
Quote The one draw back about living out in the middle of nowhere
Dawn
I suspected that there might be a drawback to the Buxton Family Ranch, but I just couldn't figure out what it might be. Thanks for pointing it out! ;D
QuoteI suspected that there might be a drawback to the Buxton Family Ranch, but I just couldn't figure out what it might be. Thanks for pointing it out! ;D
All things considered, it's a pretty minor draw back.
;)
BTW one of the victims in the hospital died. So now theres 6 counts of 1st deg homicide on this guy. The guy is now claiming they shot at him first. ::)
According to MSNBC
QuoteVang says he was told to leave the property
He said that he was told to get off the property, and as he started walking away, he turned back and saw Willers point a gun at him from about 100 feet away. He told investigators he immediately dropped to a crouch, and Willers shot at him, the bullet hitting the ground 30 to 40 feet behind Vang.
Vang said he removed the scope from his rifle and began firing, continuing to shoot as the group scattered. He said one of the victims, Joey Crotteau, tried to run away, but Vang chased him, got within 20 feet and shot him in the back. Crotteau, 20, was killed. Willers was wounded and was listed in fair condition Tuesday.
Tell me this... If you were shot at, would you take the time to take the scope off your gun to fire back?
I'm sure there are some parts of his statement that are true, but I don't believe that the others fired first. Plus, why would you continue to kill people even when they are unarmed?
This is soooo disappointing and sad.
Dawn
Honestly Dawn, it sounds to me like he's making alot of this up just to get out of this. But if they did shoot first and he returned fire, he should had just high-tailled it out when they started running away instead of chasing them. But taking the time to remove the scope while under fire is a crock. Even the quick release on my AR15 takes 5-10 seconds.
Why would you remove the scope? Wouldn't it be easier to hit the other hunters if it was still attached? Just wondering....
QuoteWhy would you remove the scope? Wouldn't it be easier to hit the other hunters if it was still attached? Just wondering....
Some scope mounts might block the iron sights. Iron sights are faster than scopes.
In my instance, they were well +100 yards from my house, but I was just naive as to where people could/would hunt until we were out riding.
My kids play in the woods where they were, so I had to put the kabosh on that for till the end of the season.
back on the original nutjob who killed these people
My opinion is that the guy went into the woods with the intention of killing people, not deer... Just my thoughts though.
It's really a tragedy. Hunters get so excited for hunting--holidays in union contracts are written according to hunting season up here--it's serious business. When something this crazy happens over deer hunting, it's just unimaginable.
I feel so bad for all the families involved.
Heather
Finding someone in one of our stands on our 40 would be enraging, but not anything like shooting at them.
Taking the scope off? My understanding from the news is that he was a trained sharpshooter. Probably used the irons to feel more manly.
I've heard the nearby hunter on opening day with the fully automatic rifle. They do NOT belong in the woods. >:(
QuoteI've heard the nearby hunter on opening day with the fully automatic rifle. They do NOT belong in the woods. >:(
I agree that fully automatic rifles do not belong in the woods, but how do you know it was fully automatic?
I have a semi automatic shot gun that can have all six shots out of it in less than 6 seconds. (I should time that once, I bet I could do better).
Dawn ;)
QuoteI agree that fully automatic rifles do not belong in the woods, but how do you know it was fully automatic?
I have a semi automatic shot gun that can have all six shots out of it in less than 6 seconds. (I should time that once, I bet I could do better).
Dawn ;)
Highly doubtfull it was a full auto also since they are illegal to hunt with in most every state (WI included). It IS legal in WI to own a machine gun. All you need is a signature from teh head LEO in your county, fill some paperwork out and pay a $200 one time ATF tax stamp. Same for suppressors (aka silencers). Like Dawn said, you can fire a semi auto quite fast.
Theoretically I can empty my AR's 30 rnd mag in under 10 sec (timed myself pulling the trigger of my Tippmann paintball gun (hich has a similar trigger and grip to my AR) and 30 pulls came to 8 secs. Accuracy after the first 3 will suffer though. A larger caliber might not be so fast due to recoil. I had a Rem 7400 .30-06 with a 10 rnd mag and I could clear that in just over 10 sec. But recoil was a biatch on that rifle.