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Saw that yesterday...
I just did the calculations and he should fight the ticket for the 140 over portion.
The stop-watch method is terribly inaccurate at high speeds. 2 tenths of a second over a 1/4 mile sampling is a 10mph difference.
An object as small as a motorcycle, traveling THAT fast, cannot be accurately clocked with a stop watch from an airplane.
Driving without a license? Well, that's a law in most states (although it is actually an arguable law). Reckless driving? by whose standards? He safely travelled. How is that reckless? 140 over? Inaccurate.....
QuoteSaw that yesterday...
I just did the calculations and he should fight the ticket for the 140 over portion.
The stop-watch method is terribly inaccurate at high speeds. 2 tenths of a second over a 1/4 mile sampling is a 10mph difference.
An object as small as a motorcycle, traveling THAT fast, cannot be accurately clocked with a stop watch from an airplane.
Driving without a license? Well, that's a law in most states (although it is actually an arguable law). Reckless driving? by whose standards? He safely travelled. How is that reckless? 140 over? Inaccurate.....
Well a kid north of Madison tried that defense when the WiSP plane clocked him at 140. Judge laughed at him and his lawyer.
great. put the bike on a closed course and see if it's capable of 205 with the perp on it. I'm betting it's not...
but i do agree... he's going to take a beating over this :)
205? According to someone who saw the news report on TV, it was an RC51.
Which is what, 112 HP stock? (not saying this one is completely stock)
I find 205 pretty hard to believe for any RC51.
I heard "Honda 1000" which encompasses many bikes...
A cbr1000rr, maybe
A cbr1100xx quite likely
RC51, I don't think so...
Can't see the link w/o an aol login......
Got it
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040921_1478.html
Well heres some new light on the subject. Local guy emailed the editor of the Pioneer Press and got this back...
QuoteMr. Tilley apparently works at a shop that specializes in supercharging motorcycles, and his bike is, according to the police, custom. The big Hondas are certainly capable of such high speeds under modification, and apparently this guy has (or had?) one. But it is definitely possible he will contest the stopwatch clocking, not that it really matters. So what if he was driving 180, not 205? At that speed, it make little difference legally.
Hank Shaw
Staff Writer
Pioneer Press
345 Cedar St
St Paul, MN 55101
So the kiddie was on a custom motorcycle.
The only true shame of this is the beating all sport bike riders will take from this one for awhile (until Brittany gets an annulment and the press moves on). I know as racers, officials and enthusiasts on this forum we all know the benefits of being on a track- whether racing, track day riding or taking a class. I always try to explain to the "You ride on e of them crotch-rockets do ya?" people that we do not ride 'crotch rockets' but sport bikes. I also try to explain in short terms before thier eyes gloss over about the safety of track vs. street. For street-freaks I see, I entice them into LP Sport Rider Track Days with CCS or at least any other group. We currently have bikes that make 135+hp at the rear wheel because the news of street freaks was on the back burner for a few years. Looks like we may have to lay low again. >:(
yeah this isn't going to be good for us. as if the general public didn't think sportbikes were dangerous enough as it is. sad thing is they're accually safer then other bikes if you look at in the aspect of they have better brakes, suspention, and a more centerd riding possition(which makes for better control).
i'm not sure what the law is like mn. but in iowa you can fight a ticket and usually get off if the officer who wrote said ticket did not show you the radar gun. without radar its just speculation and not fact, and a conviction is suposed to based on fact.
Let's just look at the numbers. The pilot said he timed the rider as he passed through a 1/4 mile timing distance from 1/2 mile away.
If it were a stock bike, the maximum speed limit set by the manufacturers was 186 mph a few years ago. At that speed it would take 4.84 seconds to go 1/4 mile. At 205 mph, it would take 4.39 seconds to go 1/4 mile. How fast and accurately do you think a guy with a stop watch and two timing lines can push the buttons?
So how many of you have taken your bike to the top speed on the public roads? I know I have. Sure - NOW I'm on the track, but previously I was playing on the road. I don't think we need to look down on this guy for "giving us a bad rap." He just got caught.
Unless y'all have never done this???
Lowe it is not that he got caught- He could have been doing 175, had freind with two-way radios stationed at either end of the road to ensure no public traffic was coming and all other safety things (less being on a track) and the public would bring shame. It is not som much about him but how the media reacts and feeds the idiot public, who then eats it up and levels the backlash on the rest of us. Guilty by association. I could care less about this chump- I am worried about the future of sport bikes.
QuoteHow fast and accurately do you think a guy with a stop watch and two timing lines can push the buttons?
Those vascar pilots? Pretty damn accurate.
I know that kid... he is a nob! He has a mister turbo kit...and it is an RC. He is about a buc 50.
I just rode with him this summer up and down 60 and 61 then over to 35...we would do it every weekend. His bike is fast. But he and another buddy of mine with a turbo charged ZX12R would drag race
at over 180 daily. The story put out in the news is kinda sketchy, but his and My friend Matt's Kawi will
do 200 easy...no s h i t!
Thorny.
It is not som much about him but how the media reacts and feeds the idiot public, who then eats it up and levels the backlash on the rest of us. Guilty by association. I could care less about this chump- I am worried about the future of sport bikes.[/quote]
couldn't have said it better myself ;)
Mainstream "news" isn't about news, it's about ratings and the self perpetuation of the myth of media importance. The media has captured another way to try and prove their relavence by creating hysteria with people who just don't know any better and will believe anything they hear. News outlets don't report facts, they try to create news.
I'm in the gun business. Over the last two weeks since the sunset of the assault weapons ban, I have been interviewed by local, national and international news media. In virtually every instance, it was painfully clear that they had no interest in reporting facts or learning anything, just trying to manufacture a panic that normal people would suddenly turn into homicidial maniacs since some bad laws were allowed to expire. What a bunch of hooey.
Maybe they will get back on the bandwagon of the doomsday meteor and leave the speedy dude, and the rest of us, alone.
the other issue here is that now the media has labeled the event as a record. Now every idiot with a Hyabusa is going to try and break the record. I don't know too many of us who race and ride who don't "open it up" occasionally. We all break the law.
Period. We were all Squids at some point...don't
lie to yourself. Some people just break the laws more often than others...Don't give me that guilty
by association crap. The guy did what we all do, or have done in the past(he's 20, hopefully he will learn)...just maybe a little faster that's all.
Sorry Benji, but I was never a squid...
I have always been a 100% well behaved, law obiding, in control, with full safety gear, God fearing, tax paying, motorcycle riding citizen.
;D ;D ;D
Hmmm...since they guy was riding an RC-51, how much money do you think it would take to make my GSXR 750 do 210 mph? Maybe a Turbo with Nitrous will take care of that? Damn, where did I put that phone number for Lee Shierts?!