Howdy all! Thank you so much to everyone who's called and written to welcome me back! It's nice to be back, and I look forward to seeing everyone soon!
The project I've given myself this week is to tackle the points updates. So far I have already updated the Great Plains, Mid Atlantic, and Southeast Overall points (including Roebling Road and Barber). I'll be working on the Class points tomorrow. If you have a documented points discrepancy (sp?), please email me. I'm working on the couple of emails I've already received, but if you think you're missing points, please let me know before I get all this stuff posted. :) Also, please tell me where you think you're missing the points from.
Good Example: I think I wasn't credited for the August Blackhawk.
Bad Example: The points are wrong--I should have way more.
Also, please understand that due to my early departure I left Kevin and Linda pretty swamped. Given the circumstances, they did a kick butt job, and I'm doing my best to make up my time away to them and to y'all. Be patient, I'm doing my best. Anyway, all of the points updates should be up by tomorrow afternoon.
Are you also going to include the Great Lakes / fastrax Points??
Thanks for your efforts Tiff.....
They are appreciated.
Dawn ;)
Great Job Tiff!! Glad your back in action!
Stumpy
Awesome!
Please reply here once you get the Class points up. (SE)
Rock on!...or should I say count on!
Hey, Tiffiney, I think I am #1 in points!! ;)
It's good to have you back! Have fun checking the Southwest and Pacific regions. It is so wrong that it wouldn't be worth your time to examine every email. You will need to go over the whole thing top to bottom, anyway. :(
on the Barber results, are you sure about the expert mid wt supersport race.. you have me 10th (greg melka #454) but i read on the results sheet following the race 12th.. i only ask as there is VP contingency $$ at stake!! :)
PS.. please update FL region points.. Showing AM points 2x, no expert overall points.
thanks
I am so disappointed that someone on this board used what I posted above (meant to just be a helpful note) to degrade and demean a fellow employee of mine. I never thought that someone would turn something so innocent into a slam. Twice before I have decided to stop posting on and reading this message board due to things like this, but this time really has to be the last. If you have any questions you would like CCS to answer, please call or write in.
I thought I was being helpful and nice, but now I see that due to a select few I cannot even do that without some sort of backlash. I'm sure the people who did what they did know who they are, and I hope this is the result they wanted.
Good for you Tiff....not sure what happened but - Good for you!!! The bad mouthing and bashing is getting really really old and miserable....
QuoteI am so disappointed that someone on this board used what I posted above (meant to just be a helpful note) to degrade and demean a fellow employee of mine. I never thought that someone would turn something so innocent into a slam. Twice before I have decided to stop posting on and reading this message board due to things like this, but this time really has to be the last. If you have any questions you would like CCS to answer, please call or write in.
I thought I was being helpful and nice, but now I see that due to a select few I cannot even do that without some sort of backlash. I'm sure the people who did what they did know who they are, and I hope this is the result they wanted.
That really bites. We appreciate you Tiff but I think most of us understand your point. :-/
I must have missed something. :-/
Phew! Thanks, Chuck for a minute I thought I was the only one who didn't understand what the heck was going on ! Anyway, getting back to points, It seems as though CCS needs to get a little help from Clearchannel and hire enough people. Tiffany seems to be run pretty ragged and even with her efforts the class points are over a month old. Maybe someone could donate some software or something to help out? Anyway, thanks for the work you do.
I think there are about 10 different software choices to choose from as I know 4 people who have devised something that is working and have offerd it to CCS.
Points are a month out of date? The points haven't been right since Road America. I've tried to be understanding but we're talking simple math here...
Sorry Tiffany I know you guys work really hard but we spend a lot of money chasing these club level championships and half of us don't even know where we really stand or who we need to beat to get what.
It's a JOKE >:(
QuoteSorry Tiffany I know you guys work really hard but we spend a lot of money chasing these club level championships and half of us don't even know where we really stand or who we need to beat to get what.
Just for future reference YOU can get printouts from every race you run after they are over from the scorers. YOU can then take those and calculate the points YOURSELF. That way if there is a discrepancy YOU can tell somebody. Nobody will do a better job of keeping track of YOUR points than YOU.
p.s. For those of you that haven't been around that long CCS is a much better ran organization because of Tiffany and Eric. She does a lot with very little help. So please try not to piss her off. She doesn't get paid enough to put up with it. Plus there are a lot of us here who love them dearly. So please don't piss us off by bashing her. Welcome back Tiff. luv ya.
Dave
Hey Hustla-
I hear you...like I said I know Tiffany works VERY hard. I know I can add my points up myself. That does not mean that my calculations and CCS's calculations will be the same. I just want to make sure the correct rider recieves the correct placing in the championships at the end of the year. This is my teammates an I's first season with CCS and are concerned that they won't take care of it.
Man, I tell you posts can be taken WAY out of context, my post was not in any means a "bash" on Tiffany. Just pure ventilation about my feelings of the way CCS has put this off. Everyone knows CCS is understaffed. I as everyone else appreciates everyone's efforts to keep this organization going. Without it we'd be running CRA (the Brainerd/MAM exravaganza), or trekking out to CO. for MRA events.
I'll keep my comments to myself next time. :-X
like I said before my last post about CCS...sorry Tiffany. Hope you whern't offended.
How about a happy face instead of that mean grumpy face? ;D ;D ;D
Tiffiney I am not sure what happened, what angered you so much but my overall points look correct so I assume that the class points will be correct also. thanks for your hard work, next year maybe CCS should think of a canned program to do it all for you, feed it the results and voila, automatically updating points pages ? just a thought, hope the curtain climber is a bundle of joy ;D
Okay there are not 10 programs out there to do what is needed to run a CCS event there is only one currently and it is old the writer of the program died a few years back and there has been no updates and the bugs that were there are still there. A new program is being written and has been under going testing hopefully to be implimented this next year. A glitch between the software programmer's software vesion and the computers CCS has has set the testing schedule back. The integration of schedule, points, regions, transponders, sponsor lists, licensing, performace index and gridding is a diffiucult one much less adding the behind the scenes info needed , Race density, Ex/AM, lap times, penalities, etc.
Chuck, points are wrong since RA? That is the type of post that does no good on getting anything fixed, and what Tiffiney mentioned in the first post, class/region are needed.
I have ran a couple spot checks for different classes/regions and could find nothing that did not add up based on posted results. Which brings us back to the point saying points are messed up does not help.
Most of the problem Tiffiney has had with the Message Board is uninformed bashing of her and/or her co-workers either on here or in emails that had their roots here. Don't make me come bash you; have truck, DO travel :o
QuoteDon't make me come bash you; have truck, DO travel :o
But I thought that was what Airfence was for..... to lessen the impact from bashing ;D
Rick
Since your going to pick my post apart here is a copy of the E-mail I have sent both Tiffany and Linda about my points situation:
Tiffany/Linda- I seem to be missing some points in 2 of the CCS Great Plains Championships.
****AM Middlewieght Superbike (-103)
Missing 4th place finish (53 pts) from Road America 4/24
Result is listed, but not figured in to Point Total
Missing 5th place finish (50 pts) from Mid-America 7/3
Results not yet listed, not figured in to Point Total
****AM Middlewieght GP (-50)
Missing 5th place finish (50 pts) from Road America 4/24
Result is listed, but not figured in to Point Total
Please confirm these points, and add them to the Points standings please. Please call if there are any problems.
As you can see this is not exactly vague information. I just didn't think the whole forum wanted to know everything.
If your in KC and feel like doing some bashing look me up :o :P
I somehow went from 1755 points(MA AM), to 1528 after the most recent update. I'm done for the year so points don't matter anymore. Just thought that was interesting.
Chuck very useful post actually I come up with you having 523 in Am MSB.
track place pts
HP 7 92
RA 18 33
RA(BH) 4 53
GW 2 60
HP 4 53
MA 5 50
MA 5 50
BH 6 48
BM 9 84
avg finish 6, 523 points
BTW MAM 7/3 is posted http://www.formulausa.com/resultDetail?id=copy_of_Result.2004-02-26.4608mmsu
oops noticed the points say they are through july 20 so minus 84 which is 439 which has 202 point disparity.
Thanks for adding them up for me Eric. I don't want to start a trend of posting points though... I guess I'm more interested on where that puts my slow but in the mix for top 3 at the end of the year. I'll just have to wait untill the final revision gets put up on the CCS site.
Mid-Atlantic Lightweight Supersport
Results and points
http://home.earthlink.net/~ccs440/MA_LWSS.xls
Right click, save as.
I work in MS Works Spreadsheet (.wks)and can save in a few different formats if you can't view this.
I should have Supertwins and GT Lights done tomorrow.
QuoteI somehow went from 1755 points(MA AM), to 1528 after the most recent update. I'm done for the year so points don't matter anymore. Just thought that was interesting.
WHy are you done? there are only two races left? You are up there is the class points batttle.
I had a bad crash in practice at roebling. Missed that weekend and Barber. I was originally going to skip the rest of the year, but may do VIR if I get the bike back together.
I hope you get the bike back together to make VIR and the Summit point in Oct. My year will not end right unless you beat me one more time. :P
Mel
Does anyone know when the updated points might be posted?
Hey was that a bash?! ;)
jason, glad to see your allright...it took me a while to figure out how to tie your pit bike down
LOL
No it wasn't a bash, just curious.
I was just kidding... ;D
Class points are still not updated, Tiff said they would be by last Fri afternoon, its next Fri afternoon and they still arent updated. Any idea when they might be? Please, pretty please, anyone? ???
Hey, James. They will be updated when they are updated. Obviously Tiffiney was irritated over someone's comments, so give her some time. I, too, would like to see the updated points (in the SW & Pacific regions), but , really, what does it matter? When you go to the races, there is a book with the points, so take some time, and jot the points down, and pay attention to the results. I will not race any faster or slower, nor will I enter fewer or more races just because I can see my points. All of the results are posted, so if it is that important, go add your points up, as well as any other racers that you are concerned about. I'm not sure how much time they expect to take to calculate points, but I am pretty sure that glitches in their system will delay posting accurate standings. Have some patience, I am sure they will eventually fix it. Until then, concentrate on your racing, and have fun! And be nice to Tiffiney! ;D
QuoteHey, James. They will be updated when they are updated. Obviously Tiffiney was irritated over someone's comments, so give her some time. I, too, would like to see the updated points (in the SW & Pacific regions), but , really, what does it matter? When you go to the races, there is a book with the points, so take some time, and jot the points down, and pay attention to the results. I will not race any faster or slower, nor will I enter fewer or more races just because I can see my points. All of the results are posted, so if it is that important, go add your points up, as well as any other racers that you are concerned about. I'm not sure how much time they expect to take to calculate points, but I am pretty sure that glitches in their system will delay posting accurate standings. Have some patience, I am sure they will eventually fix it. Until then, concentrate on your racing, and have fun! And be nice to Tiffiney! ;D
So they will be updated when they are updated, oh I didnt know that??? So the points arent being updated when she told us they would because some moron made here mad ???, well I can tell you it wasnt me so update my points then if that is the problem. Like its been said before, sometimes CCS's number dont match what I have added up myself and corrections need to be made ASAP since its getting to the end of the season. Lastly it might not matter to you whether you race more or less races if the points are current or not but it might matter to someone else. Another thing, since you are not from the CCS office there was no reason for you to even post that most unhelpful rant. :P
So what you are saying is that if the points aren't posted, you may be scored wrong. You didn't answer any of my suggestions. As far as your comment about the races, and going faster, etc, maybe you can tell me what the possible reason you could have, other than your worries about the accuracies? The points posted at the races are the official ones, anyway, so check those points, and bring up the points descrepancies in a logical, accurate way, other than saying they aren't right. If your points are not added up correctly, lay it out in an easy to understand manner, and maybe Tiffiney would be able to look into it more quickly.
As far as my rant being unhelpful, if you would have read it and understood what I was trying to tell you, you would have received a lot of help. Why wouldn't you look at the points at the races? Why wouldn't you keep track of the other guys that are in points contention? Why wouldn't you understand that Tiffiney MAY have other duties, and that people like you being impatient and dumb MAYBE makes her concentrate on her other duties! This forum is for the public to make comments, you moron! If you have an issue with CCS personnel, send an email directly to them. Read the her request in the very first posting, and you will see that you should be handling this in that manner, not complaining on this forum!! JEEZ!!
James
Had you read this entire post you would understand what he was saying was from previous posts in this topic. Yes someone was way out of line and sent some very offensive emails to CCS employees and guess what...poof.........you just have us to post questions to now. So unless you pick up the phone and kindly ask her help or send her a nice email you like everyone else will see them when they are posted. Tiffiney started this posting as a favor to the riders but like the old saying - one bad apple...
Actually after some of the things I hear and have heard riders say about CCS staff I am really really disappointed - >:( shame on some of you >:(- CCS staff works hard to promote/organize/execute successful and safe race events and I am shocked at some of the comment I hear and that have been made to me! This is suppose to be fun but there again back to the bad apple thing..........
Go Ray ~ Go Ray ~ Go Ray!!! ;D
Thank you!
CCS is not a non profit organization, nor staffed by volunteers. We pay pretty good money to be a part of this organization, and staff is payed to run it.
QuoteCCS is not a non profit organization, nor staffed by volunteers. We pay pretty good money to be a part of this organization, and staff is payed to run it.
AMEN! To me CCS feels like a privilege to participate versus a company we pay for.
QuoteSo what you are saying is that if the points aren't posted, you may be scored wrong. You didn't answer any of my suggestions. As far as your comment about the races, and going faster, etc, maybe you can tell me what the possible reason you could have, other than your worries about the accuracies? The points posted at the races are the official ones, anyway, so check those points, and bring up the points descrepancies in a logical, accurate way, other than saying they aren't right. If your points are not added up correctly, lay it out in an easy to understand manner, and maybe Tiffiney would be able to look into it more quickly.
As far as my rant being unhelpful, if you would have read it and understood what I was trying to tell you, you would have received a lot of help. Why wouldn't you look at the points at the races? Why wouldn't you keep track of the other guys that are in points contention? Why wouldn't you understand that Tiffiney MAY have other duties, and that people like you being impatient and dumb MAYBE makes her concentrate on her other duties! This forum is for the public to make comments, you moron! If you have an issue with CCS personnel, send an email directly to them. Read the her request in the very first posting, and you will see that you should be handling this in that manner, not complaining on this forum!! JEEZ!!
Hey numbskull, I dont have a problem with CCS personal, I have a problem with people like you telling everyone to add up their own points and look for the updates at the races. Who are you my Daddy?? Im not at a race right now, duh, and maybe I cant count, its not for you to tell me how to look up my points! As far a Tiff, she is doing a great job as well as the rest of the CCS staff. She just said last week they would be updated and I was wondering the status, I even said pretty please. If I want imput from the peanut gallery, I will ask it form you personally Ray. Otherwise your coments arent welcome. :P
They didn't have a copy of points at Barber Mr. Ray I asked. ::)
Here in the SW and Pacific Regions, I guess we are just a little more laid back. We had our #1 plate contender (who owned it two years straight in two regions) Brian Long, from Spears Racing Enterprises, taking digital pictures of the results at every event. he then made his own spreadsheet ( I would just do it on paper since I am computer stupid) and kept track of his and Jason Catching's points (his main rival). He knew that the situation of CCS software as accurately explained by Eric was not going to change this year so he adjusted his efforts to make the most of his racing program. This is how a true champion handles adversity- he does not fire off rude emails or phone messages. He does not make immature or snide remarks on a BBS. He takes care of business and for his sake and all the other good-natured racers (which outnumber the jerks thankfully) I hope we can get our computer system fixed. Until then- if you have tried to resolve the situation, and nothing has worked, I guess you should just give up, whine like a five year old and quit racing, it obviuously makes yo unhappy and mabye you should stop paying entry fees and get therapy (that rhymes- now if I could type).
Actually Chuck - the copies of points were there.....in registration and at anytime you could have gone upstairs to the scoring office and spoken with any of the CCS staff about how to get your points and results....
That's funny I asked the lady at Regestration the day we got there and was told the points never made it down. ???
If they have them to print whats the hold up on getting them posted? Just curious...not a bash, not a condescending remark...just a question.
Bottom line is there are programs out there that can accomadate the volume of work that goes through that office, but Clear Channel wouldn't spend the money on it.
I agree that not posting points on a timley manner is a problem. Always has been from what I have seen in the past 4 years. So you have to keep track of your own points. Its not that hard to do. The staff in Texas are doing the best thay can with the resources available. Bottom line... keep track of your own points, quit bashing the ladys in the office in Texas, some of you need to apologize to Tiff and Linda for some of your stupid comments and e-mails. You know who you are, act like adult racers and quit whinning like a bunch of helpless cry babys. It serves no purpose especially when some of you are ranting on and on and making snide and outright rude remarks to each other and the staff in Ft. Worth. "STOP IT! KILL THIS TREAD!! >:(
Thank you for posting points! ;D