Looking for advice/opinions. I won the Great Plains and Great Lakes Formula 40 championship this year. Rules say I have to run white plates next year. (I've been told) If I was just running F40 that would be fine, but I race other classes and get my butt kicked at the amateur level. I'm not chasing pionts next year and this was my first year of racing. I still make lots of mistakes and have no ambition to go very much faster. :o. What do you think? Flame away, I can take it. Later, Kevin
Kevin
First let me say congrats on the two championships.
The rules do state that you have to move up if you win one. If next year all you are going to run is F40 then yes I believe you should move up because you are fast enough to race with the experts. All you can do is ask to stay down one more year and they (CCS) will make that decision. But hey if you want to you can take two years off and stay amatuer.
Craig
run white plates, and get faster as the result. nuff said. ;)
IMHO,
If you only want to race F40, then go Expert. Otherwise, stay amateur. With all due respect to what Brad is saying, you will not get faster by running with the experts in the other classes, and in fact will only frustrate yourself, the other experts, and the fast Amateurs in combined grids.
BTW, I got your Wood, but the guy you told me to give it to had already left. So, i'm going to hang it on my wall ;) LOL, We'll figure something out, or I can just mail it to you.
Go Expert!!
signed,
Amateur Slow Old Fart
;D
Please, go expert. Quit beating us amateur's up!!!
Congrats Kevin and great seeing you again!...BUT I am gonna have protest your chamionship on the grounds of unfair advantage....cause you are riding w/ John Hopkin's old bodywork ;D
I would stay amateur for another year, the amateur 600 class is already crazy enough upfront...I can't imagine how insane it would be in expert 600.
I agree 100% w/ everything my nemesis Sdiver68 says.
I am gonna stay am next year, cause I have only been to 1 racetrack, got no track time this year due to bike probs, and know I would be an eratic hazard to the experts if I was gridded w/ them.
Good luck, and look forward to seeing you next year.
#347 (Frankenstien's monster ;D )
QuoteCongrats Kevin and great seeing you again!...BUT I am gonna have protest your chamionship on the grounds of unfair advantage....cause you are riding w/ John Hopkin's old bodywork ;D
I would stay amateur for another year, the amateur 600 class is already crazy enough upfront...I can't imagine how insane it would be in expert 600.
I agree 100% w/ everything my nemesis Sdiver68 says.
I am gonna stay am next year, cause I have only been to 1 racetrack, got no track time this year due to bike probs, and know I would be an eratic hazard to the experts if I was gridded w/ them.
Good luck, and look forward to seeing you next year.
#347 (Frankenstien's monster ;D )
haven't you won races this year?
Quotehaven't you won races this year?
I won a few races in March but my steering head broke apart AND engine blew half way through the 1st weekend. After that I was out there only 2 and 1/2 more times w/ a steering head that was literally welded back on (and would start recracking apart before any of the weekends were over) and wobbbbbbbling/goin slow.
After every race I had to check my frame to see if it was coming apart yet. Had to reweld it before every local race weekend I attended.
I got dramatically slower, lost all my confidence & concentration, and wasn't able to learn a thing.
I just putted around out there enjoying being on the track....I was riding, NOT racing.
Whole year was a waste :(
so sad. i guess next year will be better when you are ahead of everyone else's perfromance curve. that damn steering head will drag you kicking and screaming to the podium next year. ::)
Quoteso sad. i guess next year will be better when you are ahead of everyone else's perfromance curve. that damn steering head will drag you kicking and screaming to the podium next year. ::)
Nope..that d*** steering head(and the rest oif the frame) is headed for the dumpster ;D
Don't forget to send me directions to your place so I can bring the hacksaw and welder....should shave a couple seconds off your times next season. Great confidence builder too ;D
QuoteBTW, I got your Wood, but the guy you told me to give it to had already left
let's keep this clean fellas ;D ;)
Hey Sdiver, give me a call today on my cell....
I am too looking for advice/options.
I race the MW classes in MA, very competitve and most of the time full grid. Not being able to pre-enter very early meant spent the most of the year starting in 2nd wave.
Prior to this weekend I had 1 top 10 finish in any race, that was in the rain at Summit point where I finished 7th.
This weekend at VIR I improved a lot and finished a 8th in MWSB, and was running 4th in HWSB until lowsided in turn 1. I felt that if I pushed tried hard, I would be further near the leaders, but I guess pushed a little too hard.
according to the rule book, I have way enough points to be bumped. I listened to others and know that if I move up I would be able to get faster by running with the faster racers, but I would probably spend the entire next year running in the back by myself or with a couple of other slower experts. So what to do? I spend every weekend I can work on my riding skills and thinking skills at trackdays, but when it comes to race time, my time is still too slow to even make top 5 in AM classes, unless I can start on the front row. I make very few mistakes, had 2 crashes since I started riding on teh track 3 years ago.
Opinions? I really want to do what's best for me, but don't want to cause any bad feelings by staying AM or get too frustrated and race myself in EX.
Thanks all for your valued opinions
Dafan
977 AM
We got into this for the sport of it. How sporting would it be to fanagle something to stay back to race next years newbee's? Having never won a race, (DARREN, why don't you break down!) it's a bummer to know it ain't going to happen. Face it, we have expierence (and credit card bills) that the new guys don't. But the concept of somebody calling me an expert? Uh yeah, uh huh, OK, sure, What?
Quoterun white plates, and get faster as the result. nuff said. ;)
Hell Brad, I'm 41 and have no desire to go much faster. So I'm fast at Gateway. I had about a 5th place avg. finish at the rest of the tracks. Thats in a class with 5-10 entries avg. In open classes I got whooped up on real good. GTU; 32nd at Road Am. 20th at Blackhawk, 11th out of 11 at Gingerman. Last week at Gateway I finished 13th. If I decide to run only F40, I'll definately go expert.
QuoteIMHO,
BTW, I got your Wood, but the guy you told me to give it to had already left. So, i'm going to hang it on my wall ;) LOL, We'll figure something out, or I can just mail it to you.
Mail it to me. Handle it gently and use protection please. ;D
Sorry, but if you raced enough to win 2 championships it's time to move on. If you don't plan on getting much faster, like you say, you might as well get used to racing experts now. Sounds like you will still be competetive in atl least fm40. If you can't keep up, or don't want to improve much more, why not buy an SV or some other lw bike and get out of the 600 stuff. If you just want to be AM for $$, move up and earn it. Let some new racers (1st year next year) have a turn. ;D
QuoteSorry, but if you raced enough to win 2 championships it's time to move on. If you don't plan on getting much faster, like you say, you might as well get used to racing experts now. Sounds like you will still be competetive in atl least fm40. If you can't keep up, or don't want to improve much more, why not buy an SV or some other lw bike and get out of the 600 stuff. If you just want to be AM for $$, move up and earn it. Let some new racers (1st year next year) have a turn. ;D
If I don't want to get faster, race in the expert class ???
If I get lapped by the fast amateurs..... what will happen in the expert classes? Get out of the 600 stuff....You can run 750 4s and 1000 twins in F40.
Let me see......F40 pays how much? $0! I must be rich! ;D How many F40 riders were new to the class and racing? (besides me?)
QuoteHandle it gently and use protection please. ;D
I told you guys to knock it off ;D ;)
I'll knock it off if you'll send me a copy of the GTU race from Sept. ;D (The one where you passed me on the 2nd or 3rd lap. Then I faded off into the distance. #124)
Nothing personal, just saying that an am champ. normally would move up. Also my point, on you saying your not wanting to get any faster was that, you can't stay am forever, and if you truely get lapped by fast am's, you know to hold your line already then ;D. J.K.
QuoteI'll knock it off if you'll send me a copy of the GTU race from Sept. ;D (The one where you passed me on the 2nd or 3rd lap. Then I faded off into the distance. #124)
I'll hook ya up ;)
It still scares the crap out of me anytime someone passes me :o :o :o
At 41, I just want to race for fun. I'll be racing whatever is closest to my house, MAM, Gateway, Heartland Park, CCS, WERA, CRA) so I won't be a threat to anybodys championship. I hit every race this year and spent way to much money. I won the championship by doing this not by being so fast. Gateway was the exception and we had 4 races there.
QuoteI'll hook ya up ;)
Steve knows my address. Thanks!
KC, I'll be a 48 year old rookie expert. I'm glad I still have enough to be out there at all. My peers are riding crusiers, AGGGH!
hey Kevin why not just go expert and see how you do because you are a good racer. If all you plan on running is a few races then why not go because you will be at tracks where you already know how to run fast. As for aam. passing you don't worry we love to pass the white plates it makes our day.LOL
QuoteSo I'm fast at Gateway. I had about a 5th place avg. finish at the rest of the tracks.
Hey Kevin, Who's that other guy that went faster at those tracks ;D?
QuoteHey Kevin, Who's that other guy that went faster at those tracks ;D?
I want a rematch at MAM! ;D
QuoteKC, I'll be a 48 year old rookie expert. I'm glad I still have enough to be out there at all. My peers are riding crusiers, AGGGH!
Kick a$$! I hope you have as much fun as I have.
I have the same dilemma about going expert or not.
This was basically my first year also. I did a Sunday in 2001 and wrecked the next time. I made it all year this year without a crash, but didn't win any races, either.
I eventually got a 2nd in Unlimited Supersport, but there was a lot of luck in that finish. A 5th in Heavyweight Supersport is my other good finish and I got a few top tens. I have a bone-stock R6 and felt that I was way over my head for those two finishes.
I raced mountain bikes a few years ago and always jumped classes before I was good enough. I just got frustrated and quit because it was no fun losing. I don't want to finish last in every expert race.... I'm still having fun :)
The beginning of this year lap times were 1:25 at Blackhawk. I slowly got my lap times down to just below 1:20. I know that won't do anything in expert. I'm upgrading my shocks and doing the 520 conversion with gearing options (I still don't have the money for pipe and jet). Do y'all think these upgrades will help me be competitive in expert or do I belong in amateur yet?
btw I ended with around 830 points total
Thanks for any honest advice
Aaron
Midwest Am #119
Kevin and Eddie
Go up and race with the experts and let us slow guys have a chance damn it ;D
Craig
QuoteI want a rematch at MAM! ;D
Yeah, that was a fun track! Bring it on for the rematch... I want one for Gateway!
QuoteKevin and Eddie
Go up and race with the experts and let us slow guys have a chance damn it ;D
Craig
Moving to expert is my intention. I feel better running in the faster practice with the expert level riders. I ride much faster and have more confidence. It's too bad amateurs that are fast can't run in the fast practice sessions.
Get white plates. This year was my first as an expert, and I barely had enough points from just one track last year (Summit), but I decided to get white plates anyway. I was without question the slowest dude in the expert field, and I'm sure many racers got sick of seeing me out there.
BUT, the season was a great experience for me. I got to focus on my lines and technique without having to dodge anybody else and I was able to learn alot from the faster guys with alot more experience, even if I only saw them for a few seconds as they passed me!
Without exception, the other experts in the MA were great to be on track with. I never had anybody saw me off or stuff me (I guess I'm easy to pass!). In the amatuer ranks, things were alot more dicey.
You may not win races for a while, but you will get great quality track time, less crowded track time, alot of opportunities to learn from others, and you probably won't have to worry about anyone else on the track but yourself. Be consistent and it'll be great.
Staying yellow at least 1 more year.(If CCS will let me) Remember St. Louis Craig? You were kicking my butt for half the race! Best open class finish this year was 5th in GTU. I was 30-40 seconds behind 4th. Most finishes were in the 14-20th range. I'll move up if I get faster. Later, Kevin
Wow, this is such a wild thread.
Back when I started racing (move rocking chair back and forth) we never wanted to be novices (as we were called then). We all aspired to be experts. Now everyone wants to stay amateur.
Why? Seems as though everyone has this idea that if middleweight amateur is so crazy, then middleweight expert is worse.
A few years ago, I raced my friend's bike for a season. He was not an expert. So, he came to Blackhawk for some kind of a practice day, and I had expert plates on it. He was pretty intimidated by the fact that he was going to be with the experts. But what he found was that the expert riders were smooth and fast working their way around him. It made him more comfortable, and I think he rode better.
You have more opportunities to crash riding with amateurs, those who are supposed to be trying to figure out this road racing thing, vs those who are experts, those who are experienced and understand what to do.
Will you get faster? Who knows.
I never won a race as an amateur/novice. What you do as an amateur does not necessarily dictate how you will do as an amateur. And things change year to year. I've watched guys come and go, and go and go.
OK, here's my deal:
1) Going expert will cost a lot of $$ in missed race pay-outs and contingencies. Fact.
2) This season, I was dogged my first 3 race weekends by second and more year AM's who had plenty of experience. One of these weekends is a double points weekend. The other rained and of course as a newbie I hadn't made rain plans. Also, every track was brand new to me. AND, my bike was stock except for suspension and a slip-on, including gearing :O
By the 4th weekend I had enough figured out to start placing in the wood consistenly and on the podium at my home track. Problem is, I'm already out of the running points-wise for almost everything. Also, I skipped around regions since at the beginning of the year I wasn't planning on doing anything but be consistent top 10.
Now, I think I've figured out enough to be competitive an entire season in 1 region. Get the bike work done and ready, know the tracks a little better, make rain plans (spare set of wheels). And I know the tracks a little better.
I was cherry picked. I think every TRUE 1st year guy I know was cherry picked for at least a couple of races, even those with tons of natural talent.
2 "wrongs" don't make a right. Heck, I don't even know if CCS will let me stay AM. But if they will, I'm probably staying.
There are 2 things CCS could do to make this a little easier, imho:
1) Skewer the money and contingencies a lot more to expert. I posted an idea on that in CCS Rules and Regs. To your point, SD, make it more like it used to be where most of the $ is in Expert.
2) Quit making exceptions to where 2nd (and more) year guys can dominate the first few races. Problem is, the 1st year they enforce that is the year some people come out behind, like if they decided this year was the year, I'd be SOL.
You've got good points.
Contingency is set by the companies offering them. They want to get a rider hooked on a product early on in their amateur career because motorcycle road racers are very conservative. They might stick with the same thing they start with for their whole career. That equals $ to them.
CCS is offering purses to keep people coming back. In many ways I understand and agree with what you're saying.
As for cherry picking...
It happens a lot.
At the last Blackhawk, we put Benji Thorton on the track. He came to my school on the Thursday before. We told him what suspension work to do before coming to the track and even what gearing to run. He got a third and ran up in the top five at BHF running 1;18's I know, but probably faster at times when he got out of traffic (no pre reg for him as he just got his license.)
Many people that enter racing enter in the wrong way. Take a simple CCS safety school, ride a stock bike with a pipe. There are better ways to do it. And better experiences to be had doing simple things.
Trial and error is always available, but I can just make it easier.
QuoteBack when I started racing (move rocking chair back and forth) we never wanted to be novices (as we were called then). We all aspired to be experts. Now everyone wants to stay amateur.
I'm 41, I just started racing and I'm going about as fast as I care to go. I have nothing to prove by putting on a white plate. (Look at me, I'm an slow old fart with white plates. Please don't run over me. ;D) If I start winning in the open age classes, I'll go expert immediately. If not and I'm still around in 2004, I'll go expert anyways. How's that? Or.... I'll tell everybody I'm staying amatuer, and show up at the first race with white plates on. Right Doofy? ;D
I'll clue you in, if you can win f40 you will at least be compettitive in other classes. If you've got the points, go up. I'll be spanked, but why get wood in the minors when you've been called up to the major league. What will be the reward? OK, I understand guys that haven't gotten any wall hangings, (a bunch of 6ths and it would be tough to move on) but after you've proven you can get them, it's time to go.
Hey Bernie! I'll bet you were having a good time during that sniper thing. Did the FBI move in with you? Get in touch, dougb123@att.net
I am not sure but I don't think you have a choice. What say you CCS?
I'm supposed to move up because I won the F40 championship. I can appeal to CCS to stay amatuer. As far as moving up because of points, I don't know. I have about 1100 total points. 800 or so are from F40. These don't count toward the overall championship, so I don't know if they count them towards being expert.
Baltobuell, I want to stay amatuer because I finish mid pack in all other am. classes. Concerning F40, here's my finishes; 4-1st, 2-3rd, 1-4th, 2-5th, 1-6th, 2-7th, 1-9th. Two of these are last place finishes. With small grids, this is not what I would call dominating. ;D
When doing well, do you catch and pass slower experts? They do get a pretty big head start and they are supposed to be faster than you. I'm riding a lightweight bike and understand the 600s are a much more intense group. So there may be other folks with a better overall picture. At least you've got to win a few. There are alot of experts that haven't had that experience. I'm one, but we are doing this for sport and it isn't sporting to cherrypick the amature class. Have a little faith in yourself. Will it still be fun if you don't win? It has to be a rush, and it's why we grid up in the first place, but I still get a rush off of track days. Really, meeting people is as important as passing them. At least I think, I'll let you know for sure about midseason! Think of it this way. You'll be able to concentrate on faster lines and how your suspension is working, instead of who is reeling you in to get your wood. I'll admit change is unnerving, but without it, we are stagnent ol' farts.
I don't think I've passed any experts in the open combined events. None that I can remember. I have had the crap scared out of me a few times being lapped by them. :o :o
What are the rules for going ex. as far as, how many points must you score to be eligible? I only raced 4 times this year 3 ccs, 1 ama. I never got worse than sixth, but that's my total race experience. I have next to no points and won't be looked at as far as being bumped. I haven't seen most of the tracks, but if I can't afford to race for a championship next year as an am, I would rather go ex. so I could try to race the fast guys. Can any expert enter an AMA pro race?, I really want to race at Mid-Ohio this year.
KC go expert, there's no need to defend an am championship.
Not going for the championship next year. Only racing close to home. Next. ;)
Kevin,
Sounds like you made your decision. Stand by it and don't let anyone sway you. It sounds like you are very sure of what level you want to run next year. Sounds very cool to me. Too bad though... no re-match! ;D
Thanks. Rematch? I don't know Eddie. I'm pretty good off the line. If you get a slow start.......... ;D
Later, Kevin
I just reread this entire thread. Does everyone know that I'm 41? :-[ :-[ :-[ I can't wait till my birthday :-[
You're only 41???????????????????? I was thinking you were like way older... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Just kidding Kev... ;)
QuoteI just reread this entire thread. Does everyone know that I'm 41? :-[ :-[ :-[ I can't wait till my birthday :-[
You are such a youngster!
41 is old for a motocrosser. You are coming to an age to have the proper patience to be a roadracer! Study hard young grasshopper, in a few years, you can be very fast....Or ...you will start to forget things as the senior moments come together.
You guys are cracking me up. I think I'll start motorcross racing next year. ;D
I hate to keep beating this horse, but, why not run expert in Formula 40, and amateur in other non age related classes? Just wondering. (other than it being against the rules)
I hate to keep beating this horse, but, why not run expert in Formula 40, and amateur in other non age related classes? Just wondering. (other than it being against the rules)
QuoteI hate to keep beating this horse, but, why not run expert in Formula 40, and amateur in other non age related classes? Just wondering. (other than it being against the rules)
Kevin:
Even if it were legal.... Wouldn't changing number plates between races be a pain to do each weekend?
Dawn ???
It would be a special old fart class thing. I could just bolt a white plate over the yellow one on just the front. It would be worth the trouble. :) Oh, F40 is the first race of the weekend. Once it was over, I wouldn't have to worry about it again.
Go expert obviously there will be enough amatuers that sandbag :-/ so as to take all the true amatuers to the ground and hold them out of the top five positions.
Besides, like one of the previous threads stated, riding specificly as an expert will make you faster. Reguarless of how old you are, your goal in this sport is to be fast,you will be with cleaner and safer racers for sure also. How many amatuer riders do you think the first weekend that win races will accually be "Beginners"?? I know for a fact there usually is only one, but thats it. Trust me, go white, its time to play with the big dogs. >:(
"Cleaner and safer riders"? I been hit twice this summer. Both by "cleaner and safer" experts. ;D
What number? (No names)...
And where at what track? ???
I have to agree here. Go white. Experts are safer and cleaner. This year was my first year as an Expert and I felt alot safer this year than I did last year as an amatuer. I have never been bumped or run off the track by another expert. And what they say is true. You will learn more and become faster if you race expert next year.
Racing as an amatuer was hair raising at times. Not to rag on amatuers, but we all know what the amatuer middleweight class is like. Also, last year I was one of the faster amatuers, I went down by hitting a backmarker from the rear when he took an unexpected line. I know this was my fault since I was overtaking him. The point is, you won't ned to worry about that if you go expert.
One final note. Where I race, the school instructor is in the Formula 40 class. While I am not 40, I have had the opportunity to race with him and nothing was more exciting than when I beat him for the first time this year. The point is, you will get up to speed in no time to run with the experts. Just do it. It is true what they say. The faster you get, the more in control you are.
-Bill
MW EX #13
Double Bravo Racing
PS - You're next Rosno. :)
QuoteYou're next Rosno. :)
Yeah, Baby! Bring it on! Every year I get a new crop to play with. Just hope to yourself that my hearing and balance problems are screwing with me that day!!! ;D ;D ;D
QuoteWhat number? (No names)...
And where at what track? ???
Not telling who. One was at Blackhawk in a Combined GTU with pretty large grids. Two experts were trying to pass me at the same time. (lap me) The other was at Gateway. Combined GTU, I was being lapped on the outside and didn't give the guy room to make the pass before the next turn.
Ah yes, the combined GTU problem.
That race just shouldn't be combined.
I wish I could say it didn't happen to you, but I can understand that it did. Not that it is any excuse.
Larry Denning and I ran 15's and 16's at Blackhawk during the whole Team Challenge at Blackhawk, and I think it went very well.
Unfortunately, I believe that there is not enough information passed from the race control to the "attacking" riders. Sure, it's $180 for the win, but be gentle.
Regardless, I don't think that race should be combined. I don't blame you (you were in front), the combining was a mitigating factor, but the passing rider has the responsibility to be safe, period.
The one at Gateway was partly my fault. It was very late in the race and the lead 2 experts had allready gone around. I was into turn three when the next expert tried passing me on the outside. It was well into the corner when he started the pass. It scared hell out of me. I made a rookie mistake by putting my foot down. :-[ (not a good idea at 60mph) I couldn't lean the bike over very far and ran him off the track. Not before we swapped a little paint. :o He kept his bike up and came back on the track, passing me about a lap later. His side of the story? "I got T-boned by an amateur" :-[
Yeah, racers have pretty big egos. They'll say what ever suits the moment regardless of the responsibility of the problem.
Passing is an art, as it being passed. Guess that's always the trick. And an outside pass is risky around a slower rider. Generally, the slower rider apexes the corner a bit earlier, and their line will carry them out on a different radius. The lines converge and...
I think the main problem was I was going pretty fast into the corner. He should of went to the inside or waited till the next corner. This is one of the reasons I'd like to stay amateur another year. 1 year of experience is not much. Also, I've ridden most of the tracks only once. I'd rather not learn the tracks while trying to keep up with the experts. Later, Kevin
QuoteI'd rather not learn the tracks while trying to keep up with the experts. Later, Kevin
Hey Kevin:
You don't have to keep up with the Experts. They will be more than happy to lap you.
;D
Dawn
QuoteHey Kevin:
You don't have to keep up with the Experts. They will be more than happy to lap you.
;D
Dawn
LOL. Yeh, them and the fast amateurs. ;D
While leading an Amature race, I caught the experts and after picking a few off, one stuffs me into turn 1 then can't hold it. Seeing he wasn't turning I couldn't turn, and watched the 2nd place guy stroll by as we rode around the rim of the track. The rest of the race he kept dogging me sticking his wheel in and I never had the chance to repass the winner. It was fun close racing with the guy, but I wish he would have realized what he was doing to my race. To be an expert does not mean your supposed to be infoulable. But please remember the amature that passes you isn't racing you.
That racer ego thing again... 8)
HOLY MOLY! I just went to the CCS points standings to see how I ended up after seeing a couple of guys I can run with on the top 10 list. Apparently, I don't race enough to get the points to go expert. Here I thought I was going to be a bigshot. Super Dave, 435 points with a 8something performance rating. Looking for advice, or do I even have a choice?
I'm confused. You want to go expert? You can ask CCS to make you an expert.
I guess I don't know now. In the midatlantic region, Darren, I can't catch, the kid is just fast. Shannon, I can usually hang with, and once or twice finished in front of. Danny is fast, but I usually finish in front. These are the guys I run with and I knew they were all talking about points and championships and stuff like that. I figured I was accumulating points and would be racing them next year. But I only made it to 5 races and 1 trackday. I've never won, so asking to go up seems like ego, and staying amature will seem like cherrypicking. Maybe next year will have a new crop of kids to spank me, never know. I guess I'll let CCS be my guide unless I win a couple.
Here is anothe way, among many, that you can look at it. Will you be safe to you and the others in the expert class? One consideration that I looked before going expert was this: Can the experts trust me when they are racing with me? Do I blow a lot of corners in a race, or am I fairly consistent? How fast I could go was not really a consideration. I did not want to be all over the track and out of control racing with the experts. I wanted the experts to trust my line (regardless if it was different than theirs), so that I did not take experts out that were trying to go around me, etc. (I know that it is the passing riders responsibility to pass me safely)
Experts race very safe and clean. But, they race very close as well. As a first year expert, I experienced experts putting their elbow on my fairing going around me in a corner and passing me very closely. However, every pass was clean and they never did anything to mess with my line, etc. But, riders have to trust each other not to do something stupid when racing that close.
I don't think that it matters how fast or slow you are. It matters that you are safe, consistent, and don't do stupid things. If you can do that, I highly recommend that you go Expert. You will enjoy the racing more, improve your skills, and learn more than you ever thought possible.
-Bill
MW EX #13
Double Bravo Racing
And winning as an amateur doesn't mean that you'll win as an expert.
Sounds like you're looking at everyone else's performance to measure your own. When you should always only measure your own performance, the thing you have control over.
So, if you thing you'll be cherry picking and that you'll be safe as an expert, it's time.
It will be different. Sometimes guys go slower as a first year expert, sometimes not. Just be safe. That's really the guideline.
Quote...I want to stay amatuer because I finish mid pack in all other am. classes. Concerning F40, here's my finishes; 4-1st, 2-3rd, 1-4th, 2-5th, 1-6th, 2-7th, 1-9th. Two of these are last place finishes. With small grids, this is not what I would call dominating. ;D
HALF of the races you were either 1st or second and that's not dominating? Wow, get a dictionary!
I think part of the problem, I saw it many times in endurance races, is that riders forget who they are racing against in combined races.
Amateurs are racing against am's and experts are racing against ex's. There is no combined/overall winner accept in the team challenge races. Even then you must remember what class you're racing in and let others go that don't matter in your class.
A racer has to remember that no matter how much he wants to beat the racer in front of or behind him, does it really matter in his race? Do you as an expert have to slam that amateur in a corner when he isn't in your class? the same goes for amateurs. Why kill yourself trying to pass an expert when it doesn't make any difference? At the end of the race, the experts get their awards, the amateurs get theirs.
I caught myself in the middle of an endurance race damn near high siding in several corners trying to beat a heavyweight bike when our team was running a middleweight machine. I finally woke up and figured out what I was doing, racing against someone that didn't matter! I didn't need to beat him, just all the other guys in my class.
Just something to think about when you're in combined races. And most important, HAVE FUN OUT THERE!
Absolutly! The point is fun. (one of the reasons I don't worry am or ex) I know as an ex I'll never see wood. But racing will still be more fun than anything "normal" people do. The front bunch in the ex ranks do have to take it seriously since some of them do have a future in doing it for a living. I believe most have a little different outlook about the whole thing and get a reward out of helping a guy in the next pit do better. That's where the "family and friends" thing comes in. It makes it fun, rewarding, and worthwhile.
As far as the safe thing goes, last year I dropped it once in oil as the red flag came out. and once in the last lap of practice trying something different that obviosly didn't work. Racing with Shannon is to the point I may reach over and hit his kill switch I trust him that close and he apparently trusts me too. And that is fun racing no matter what color is on the plates.
But even as you go up the ranks, you must have fun.
When Rossi finds motorbike racing not as fun anymore, he will go do something else.
I've raced when it wasn't fun...I would have been better off doing something else that day...or even that year.
QuoteHALF of the races you were either 1st or second and that's not dominating? Wow, get a dictionary!
4 out of 13 is half? I don't see any second places listed. Take a math class and learn how to read. So there! :P ;D ;D
Quote4 out of 13 is half? I don't see any second places listed. Take a math class and learn how to read. So there! :P ;D ;D
Yeah, I agree with Kevin. I wasn't dominating either.
QuoteYeah, I agree with Kevin. I wasn't dominating either.
Thats right Eddie. Uh, what was your worst finish? 4th? ;D
Lets see...
My first race as an expert... :)
I crashed broke a collar bone and 8 ribs..... :'(
Still wish I could have stayed a yellow plate.... :-/
How long ago was that? Your one tough sumb*tch!
QuoteLets see...
My first race as an expert... :)
I crashed broke a collar bone and 8 ribs..... :'(
Still wish I could have stayed a yellow plate.... :-/
It's only Gateway, Mike. Don't race there and you shouldn't have any problems.
Dawn ;)
QuoteThats right Eddie. Uh, what was your worst finish? 4th? ;D
Yeah... I was waaaayy back there. ;)
Hey Eddie. Are you going to go to any CRA races next year?
I've raced when it wasn't fun...I would have been better off doing something else that day...or even that year.[/quote]
There's Dave Rosno, telling people to have fun again. My teammate Dave Vaughn & I had totally lost sight of racing being fun this summer in our quest for championships. We were drones. Nothing mattered but the mission. >:( Thank God Dave straightened us out before we had nervious breakdowns. We actually got faster once we lightened up!
K3 >:(
QuoteHey Eddie. Are you going to go to any CRA races next year?
Yes... The plans are to go to all CRA events next year that don't interfere with CCS events. Why do you ask? :)
CRA have a schedule yet?
QuoteCRA have a schedule yet?
Yes... But it's not completed http://www.cra-mn.org/
So.... is Kevin turning expert or what? ???
QuotePosted by: KC124 Posted on: Nov 18th, 2002, 6:14pm
How long ago was that? Your one tough sumb*tch!
That all happened in 2001, reborke the ribs in 02.
And, yes Dawn they both at Gateway, and yes I'm still going to race there.
QuoteYes... The plans are to go to all CRA events next year that don't interfere with CCS events. Why do you ask? :)
Just wondering if I would be seeing you at MAM. ;)
QuoteSo.... is Kevin turning expert or what? ???
Wasn't, now I'm not sure. Should I take a poll? ;D
QuoteWasn't, now I'm not sure. Should I take a poll? ;D
Kevin,
You might not have a choice... this thing about winning championships and staying back business might not fly with CCS. But if you do have a choice and you want to stay amateur an additional year.. you should. :)
QuoteKevin,
You might not have a choice... this thing about winning championships and staying back business might not fly with CCS. But if you do have a choice and you want to stay amateur an additional year.. you should. :)
(Putting my beer down) It's much more fun to go about it this way. ;D
Try this, If he stays Amature, he can't run F40. It wouldn't be fair to the "new" F40 guys. Realistically, if there wasn't a F40 class, I'd have never jumped out there into Superbike or GP or even Sportsman. I'd have stood and dreampt, if I was younger. The first wood I got in F40 gave me a new life. It got me into the whole thing and there are alot of Ol guys dreaming that don't know they could be doing. They need a chance. (and we need more race junkies)
I'm not trying to pick on KC, it is deffinitly spooky thinking about moving up. So maybe sideways would be easier.
Why does this age thing become such a problem. I've put guys through my school that were 61 and 65. I raced with Gary Nixon at Daytona (keeps sending me naked girlie pictures via e-mail), and he was the Grand National Champion in 1967 (when I was born), and essentially won the F750 World Championship in 1975(+/-). Anyway, this is road racing, not MX where your body gets hammered. Roger Hendrix passed Aaron Yates around the outside of the carousel at Road America. Roger is 50+ (don't let him make you think he's 49).
Pull up the pants and have fun. Ride the bike. But the stupid white plate on and be done with it.
BLEH :P
I guess I'm just not that smart. ;D I jumped into racing this year head first. The only success I had was in F40. I raced in GTU, Heavyweight Supersport, Unlimited Supersport, Heavyweight Superbike and Middleweight GP. Average finish was about 16th. Even at Gateway, I was a midpack amatuer.(Hell, just look at my perfomance rating in those classes) I love racing the F40 class. I have become good friends with most of the riders in it. There are several riders that raced in 1 or 2 events and kicked everyones butt. I'll bet money that more than 1 of these riders will be back as Am. next year. I'm a very competitve person and I don't think I'll like getting smoked as an expert. I do think it's pretty funny that a over 40, new to riding, 1st year racer, has stirred up so much poop over going expert or not. ;D ;D (Pickin up another beer)
Hey, it gives me something to do while my kids out chasing girls. (picking up another beer)
But for Dave, spend 20 years working a boring job, raising kids and being dependable. Which were a wonderful 20 years don't misunderstand. But you start to assume your time has passed. It's not like there is a cheering section to tell you you can still do stuff, more likely friends ask if you've seen a psycoligist.
I love mid-life, my kid will inherit little wooden wall plaques!
My friends think its a mid-life crisis. My wife knows the truth, I've never grown up! ;D She made me get extra life insurance! What is she trying to tell me? My daughter came to see me race at Gateway in October. She had to leave after the Formula 40 race. She said she was happy that I won, but couldn't handle the stress! ??? (1 more beer.)
Aint it great! Them worried about you for a change. They're thinking, if that nitwit hurts himself I'll have to pay my own car insurance. (just 1 more) I hope someday we get pitted near each other. That will be a good weekend. Tuff Sunday, but a good weekend.
Looking foward to it. I usually pit with Ron Springfloat and K3. The more the merrier. :)
Oh, I stay away from them Schock brothers. There too wild for me. ;D
QuoteLooking foward to it. I usually pit with Ron Springfloat and K3. The more the merrier. :)
Oh, I stay away from them Schock brothers. There too wild for me. ;D
I keep it at a distance too. Although my race friends are a bit Rowdy. Right Edgar? ;D
I don't want to go expert cause I don't want to upgrade my stock suspension. According to almost everyone here, I can't go fast without the race stuff. So there. :P
QuoteI don't want to go expert cause I don't want to upgrade my stock suspension. According to almost everyone here, I can't go fast without the race stuff. So there. :P
Cheap skate!
QuoteCheap skate!
What's your point? ;D
I think he just doesn't want to be beat by a certain 125 that starts behind him
KW
QuoteI think he just doesn't want to be beat by a certain 125 that starts behind him
KW
Hi Keith. Whats your point? ;D
No point, just being an ass
QuoteWhat's your point? ;D
Ok, Ok... lets all race on stock suspention and leave it at that! ;)
QuoteOk, Ok... lets all race on stock suspention and leave it at that! ;)
Now your talking! That will seperate the racers with awsome natural talent from those who have to buy their low lap times! ;D ;D
all stock.......damn I thought I was the only cheap one.....but did you run on 87 pump fuel like me? ;)
As for me I'm staying an Am because I feel cheated
THATS RIGHT CHEATED.......not my fault I had no money for tires ;D I don't care that I had 900 pts. :o
But at some point it will be time to move on(Ex)
So if they make me move up, guess i'll be racing WERA.............lol
James Copeland
#377 WERA/CCS?
That's crap Copeland, you're going up! :P
You came on here so now I have to call you out.
4 CCS weekends
8 2nds (You lead most races @ the halfway point.)
3 3rds
3 4ths & 3 5ths
Only 4 races outside of the top 5, 1 6th, 2 8th's & a 9th!
900 points? You only race 2 to 4 races per weekend. :o and you're perfromance index is over 900! Not to mention you should have gone up last year and other history.... ;)
White plates my friend. I'm sending your resume to Sean over @ WERA just to make sure...LOL ;)
Pump gas and race take-offs. ( I slept in the cab of my truck too.) Now that's cheap! It's College for the kids or race parts. Not both. :(
QuotePump gas and race take-offs. ( I slept in the cab of my truck too.) Now that's cheap! It's College for the kids or race parts. Not both. :(
Pump gas & takeoffs?
Stock suspension? HA!
Try running the season w/ 40 inches of cracks in your frame & steering head :P That'll give ya something to whine about :D .....I should've had Barnicle Bill stitch "B!tch & Moan" on the back of my leathers instead of Nolan ::)
Hey KC, the ghost of that ex Hopkins/Valvoline bodywork your running, is gonna getcha for defacing it w/ a can of black Krylon...sucka
ps KC: My video camera is broken, so I can't access my footage from Gateway. When I get a new camera in a month or two, I'll get a VHS tape of your footage to ya.
I'll also post on-bike 'stills' on this board of everyone (including you ;) )from the last couple of Gateways.
I'm sorry, but what is the difference in you getting passed by experts or amateurs? For a 40+ you sure whine :'( a lot. I can't have stock suspension to get low lap times, I only won a few, I got crashed out by experts, I think my perf. rating was low in those classes, JEEZ!!!!!!! >:(I told myself I would stop reading all the excuses after the last time I read this thread.
First of all, Dave Ebben did some 1:13's at BHF with his R6 in 2001 with a stock suspension so I guess he didn't "buy the low times" huh? Second, as an amateur you are there to learn how to be smooth, how racing as club person works, how basic tuning and upkeep can help your weekend go better. You aren't guaranteed as an amateur that you will win races. No one has ever said "if your perf. rating isn't really high in many classes you shouldn't have to go expert." And if CCS waited until every amateur won a championship to plop them up to expert, I don't think the experts would have but ten new riders a year.
Stop being a pu$$y, you have so many excuses "Why should I have to go race win a more competitive class?" it's unbelievable. You obviously can ride pretty well, you won championships.
I won 11 races on my 600 as an amateur, I broke four vertebrae in my neck the first time CCS went to Gateway in 2000, it has taking every bit of hard work to get back down my lap times at any track.I lost all my championship within one race weekend because the fact that my confidence was $hit. I loathed the fact that I had to go expert the following year, but now I think if I hadn't gone expert, riding as an amateur would have gave me a false sense of confidence and possibly got me hurt all over again.
Stop whining, move up, you think every expert on the track has factory suspension ???? You think that every expert on the track won a championship before having the jewels to become an expert ???? Do you believe that every expert on the track has more money in his budget than you ???? I would be willing to answer all of these for you,.......................NO!!
Quote( I slept in the cab of my truck too.) :(
Oh, except when I go to Gateway. Then my friend Steve hooks me up with a place to stay. Thanks, sdiver! ;)
Bam55, Set back, relax, and take a deep breath. :o You're taking this thread way too seriously! I'm telling my mom. MOM! :P
QuoteBam55, Set back, relax, and take a deep breath. :o You're taking this thread way too seriously! I'm telling my mom. MOM! :P
You're just waiting for me to make a comment.....
Nope, I'll stay out of this one.
Dawn ;)
Mom? Is that you? ???
QuoteMom? Is that you? ???
LOL..!!!!!
Some on this board may think so.
Dawn ;)
I think I'll stay an amateur just to piss off Bam55. :P (I hope I don't run into him at the track. He'll be in big trouble! >:()
You're welcome KC.
As long as we can at least respring the bikes, I would have no problem running stock suspension. The more you weigh, the worse and worse the stock suspension is.
But then again i'm planning on buying a few championships next year :P
Just picked up a Pit Bull front stand from Shane Stoyko, www.RACERSUPPLY.com , (shameless sponsor plug) so I can take the front off. Rebuilding the front forks and installing new springs. I passed up the Race Tech deal. I am stupid! :'(
Didn't Dave Lachavich dominate amatuer 2001 on a bone-stock 01/600gsxr at Gateway?
If I remember correctly, he even touched low 9's on it at Gateway one weekend.
QuoteDidn't Dave Lachavich dominate amatuer 2001 on a bone-stock 01/600gsxr at Gateway?
If I remember correctly, he even touched low 9's on it at Gateway one weekend.
He might of got in the 8's if he hadn't run into me. Or was that his brother? ;D ;D
QuoteI hope I don't run into him at the track. He'll be in big trouble! >:()
QuoteHe might of got in the 8's if he hadn't run into me. Or was that his brother? ;D ;D
KC, what's all this about you 'running into' everyone? :D
All ya gotta do is toot your horn when you wanna get past me, and I'll wave ya by....I don't wanna get 'run into' by ya ;D ;)
toot toot!
Eric, I guess if I had my mirrors adjusted properly, I'd have seen him coming. ;D
I like your little picture. I tried that this summer. I put the headlight on the ground though.. Your such a p#ss. (I also ended up with a tire imprint on my windscreen from the SV650 I was trying not to "run into") There I go again. Running into someone. I think you've got me figured out. I guess I'd better stay an amateur untill I figure things out. ;D
How are your mirrors supposed to stay adjusted when you keep using them to hit & bump your fellow racers? ;D ;)
btw KC, what exactly did you mean, when you told me "A little unexpected dirt-tracking never hurt anyone" ? :-/
;)
(I hope I don't run into him at the track. He'll be in big trouble! ) ???
Minder: That coming from a guy afraid to stop wipping on new people???? Bring it grand-pa ;D !
P.S. Mr. David Lachavich (Spelling?) was an amateur back in 99' in WERA as far as that goes, he also raced against us as an amateur in 2000 at Gateway and did pretty good that weekend also. He is exactly why you shouldn't want to be an amateur again. Where would have YOU finished had the rules been applied to David? Do you want to be the guy that hampers some other new racers start into racing?
No respect for your elders. Am I gonna have to come down there and open up a can of whoop a$$ on you. How big of ole boy are you anyhow? On second thought, I'll just have my grandma do it for me. :P
Quote(I hope I don't run into him at the track. He'll be in big trouble! ) ???
P.S. Mr. David Lachavich (Spelling?) was an amateur back in 99' in WERA as far as that goes, he also raced against us as an amateur in 2000 at Gateway and did pretty good that weekend also. He is exactly why you shouldn't want to be an amateur again. Where would have YOU finished had the rules been applied to David? Do you want to be the guy that hampers some other new racers start into racing?
David ran as an expert this year. His brother Robert was an amatuer. (I think Eric said he was an amatuer just to stir things up. ;D)
QuoteNo respect for your elders. Am I gonna have to come down there and open up a can of whoop a$$ on you. How big of ole boy are you anyhow? On second thought, I'll just have my grandma do it for me. :P
Kevin if I remember right, Bam55 is from WI just like me. So that would be "up there" in your book.
Remember we are the dairy state with a lot of farm boys. If we can tip a cow, imagine what else we can do. ;D
Dawn ;)
No more beer for KC, I think it's talking for him. Go to bed now.
QuoteKevin if I remember right, Bam55 is from WI just like me. So that would be "up there" in your book.
He's too skeerd to say where he's from or who he is!
Big enough to not worry about this poking back and forth.
David had a great interview in Mid-West Sport Rider magazine where after he pretty much dominated the field of amateurs in March last year he acually said how him and someone else won or finished second in a WERA natonal endurence champnship in 2001. All I'm sayig, he was going fast enough that weekend to challenge the top experts. That was his loss,as there are more payouts as an expert.
Oh, by the way :o
BAM 55:
Phone number (715)355-2152
Cell: (715)531-1876
Name: Patrick (P.J.) Thornton
Address: 235 Summer ST.
Schofield,WI
54476
Email: PittPass55@aol.com
Scared? I am thikin'..........no :)
Hi, P. J. ;D I just got started in racing this year, so I'm not up on what everybody's done in the past. I raced drag cars for about 20 years. I didn't follow any club racing till I started doing it myself. Bought my first real motorcycle last year. A 2000 GSXR600. (Had a couple of old street/trail bikes when I was a teenager.) A friend of mine talked me into doing a track day and I was hooked. I run about mid pack in formula 40 except at Gateway. (We had 2 double point weekends there) I have no idea why I run so much faster there. I raced at Blackhawk and took 9th (last), 7th(out of 11), 3rd(out of 10). I think your letting the word "Championship" mean more than it should in the case of F40. If you raced in it you would understand. That is just 1 class that I race. I ran GTU and MWGP also. Mid pack at best. If I just run those classes, we wouldn't be having this discusion. I don't think anyone would expect a mid pack, 1st year racer to go expert. Later, Kevin (Be gentle.)
OK, Congrats on having the longest thread ever, in the history of this BBS ;D
But, I think its funny all these people who haven't seen you ride are advising you, one way or another.
Stay Amatuer. Period.
QuoteOK, Congrats on having the longest thread ever, in the history of this BBS ;D
But, I think its funny all these people who haven't seen you ride are advising you, one way or another.
Stay Amatuer. Period.
Yeah Kevin... Stay Amateur ;D
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Is it finally dead?
QuoteIs it finally dead?
No, I think you should be a white plate next year.
QuoteP.S. Mr. David Lachavich (Spelling?) was an amateur back in 99' in WERA as far as that goes, he also raced against us as an amateur in 2000 at Gateway and did pretty good that weekend also. He is exactly why you shouldn't want to be an amateur again. Where would have YOU finished had the rules been applied to David? Do you want to be the guy that hampers some other new racers start into racing?
Bamm, my understanding is he was running WERA expert at the same time he was dominating the CCS amateur ranks.
I could've cared less what he did, cause I knew there were quite a few multi year amateurs in the 600ss class in 2001, and if Dave was gone everyone would bump up one spot only.
It was also amateur class, so if they would have bumped all of those guys to expert, being up front wouldn't really mean that much either.
It was my first year riding, and I was just getting my feet wet by putting around @ 3 local races, so it didn't affect me in the least. But I do understand your point.
Dave's a real good rider, and I don't think it's that big of a deal...he wasn't the first and won't be the last.
Sh*t, I had a CCS official calling me a cherry picker my 4th time on the track, claiming I was an Expert 'somewhere' and was b!tching at me the whole weekend, finally threatening to contact other orgs to see "where I came from" ::) :P
I was really using David's lap-times, as an example of what a good-rider can do w/ a stock suspension'd bike. Yes, suspension will make you go faster, but you can still get on the box w/out it, in the amateur ranks. A Penske isn't going to take you from mid-pack amateur to the front, that's all I was saying.
Bamm, go easy on my 72yr old friend KC124, you might break his hip ;D
Kev, I'm just clowning ya ;)
QuoteIs it finally dead?
Kevin,
The "Expert" next to your name looks good! ;D ;D ;D
I'm stepping in real late, so I don't know exactly what is going on here.........BUT, going expert should be a matter of what your goals are for the season! Be realistic and go with your heart, it will guide you to the winner's circle where you will taste sweet victory with cold milk. Sorry, I was reading a movie poster!!!!! Yes, Goals.
I hated getting blown away all the time when I went expert in my second year after a short first year. I could of got lapped if the GTO races were 10 minutes longer and I didn't learn the fast line with the other newbie experts in the back. Should have done one more year am to build confidence, Grasshopper with huge balls.
OK, I've had enough, make the d_mn decision one way or another and kill this thing before it takes on a life of it's own. Jeez man, do what you want and the hell with all the advice. Stand up and show you have a spine to race with! Jelly fish don't sit well on sport bikes ya know ......
Wow! That hurt! :'( I've requested to stay amateur, now its out of my hands. So p!ss off! :P
Don't take it as a personal affront. Happy to see you made a decision. Now we can move on and don't have to worry about this being a national debate on tonites news.
I never was pissed off but now that you said I should be ........ hmmmmm.
... and here I thought everyone was just trying to see how many pages a thread on the would hold. ???
Boy, was I mistaken. ;)
Dawn
QuoteWow! That hurt! :'( I've requested to stay amateur, now its out of my hands. So p!ss off! :P
Right on!!!!!!!
Now to think of a post that could break the record..............
Or.... I'll tell everybody I'm staying amatuer, and show up at the first race with white plates on. Right Doofy?
UHH, kinda late (busy vacuming) , but thats rite, mr.124
How many amatuer riders the first weekend that win races will accually be "Beginners"?? but thats it. Trust me, go white, its time to play with the big dogs.
IS it fair to the real new ones from the year prior? i read the cherry pickin statements, and the rider ego thing. who doesnt want a fair shop at being CHAMP ??
But racing will still be more fun than anything "normal" people do.
WE are the "normal" people !!!
Thank God Dave straightened us out before we had nervious breakdowns. We actually got faster once we lightened up! K3
K3, you and Dave V. "lightened up" AFTER Daytona !!!
the only weekend i missed was the last gateway, (and that one, i hear, was uhhh intense??) the rest of the year was nothing less that Determination for you! ::)
Sorry if I offended anyone. I am just fooling around, as were you....
You were just playing? Weren't you? ???
I went expert in 1998 after 2 seasons being an amatuer and thought that I was going to get my butt kicked. I pre-entered early enough to be in the front of the grids for my 1st expert event (Heartland Park) and was pleasantly suprised when I was finishing between 5th and 10th.
I think that running with the experts helped me to see what I wasn't doing correctly and quickly lowered my lap times by running with the fast guys.
Now after 2 1/2 years off I ran a few events at the end of the 2002 season. Started in the back, stayed in the back. Though I could have, I didn't want to go back to amatuer because the expert class is where it's at! You may not win, but you'll definately get better in the expert class.
If you can win races as an amatuer, it's time to play with the experts!
I'm back! When do they make the decesion on the upgrades?
Sorry Kevin, Had to do it :P
For God's sake Kevin. This is a no brainer. Put on the white plate. We can duke it out in expert F40.
I could make excuses too, and don't think I haven't been tempted. To follow your logic, I should also stay amateur. I was running a twelve year old bike (I'd KILL to have your GSXR) on other people's take offs. Therefore I'm too poor to go expert. I only won three races of the 65 or so that I ran, so I wasn't dominant. My six championships were simply a matter of showing up to every race and never finishing lower than fifth. I was persistant and consistant.
Sure, I did beat every other player in the lightweight class at some point, but Mike, Edgar, Jessie, and Mark all won more times than I did. I was only consistant. Ed Key could still lap me in a 30 minute race if I backed off toward the finish. Screw the new guys. I need ten or twelve more championships, and a dozen or two more wins. New CCS rule. I don't move up until I say so.
This was my first full season. I did well. It was really hard work. I had never won a trophy before this year, but I stuck with it. Jessie is 15 years old, but has been racing for 10 or more years. Amateur? Not! Mark and Edgar were fast and winning in CRA before I got a license. Cherry Pickers? Maybe. Remove those three, and I'd have been first or second in every race this year. I deserve to be dominant! Throw all the other bums out and let me be the yellow plate king!!!!!!!!
The white plates are already painted on my bike. I'm still broke, and still scared $#itless about having to race with Tez, Gorden, ect. ect. ect. Still, I'm going expret. I had a full season as an amateur, and that's all a rider deserves. You had yours too. I really liked being a bigshot, earning wood, talking trash. It was a dream come true. I sure don't want to go race with experts and get whupped on. Hero to zero? It will probably happen. Still, I know that it's time. Grab your nads and step up. it's the right thing to do.
K3
QuoteI was running a twelve year old bike (I'd KILL to have your GSXR) on other people's take offs. Therefore I'm too poor to go expert.
K3
I seem to remember a newer R6 in your possesion at Hallett. What happened to it? ;D
QuoteI seem to remember a newer R6 in your possesion at Hallett. What happened to it? ;D
Weeden bought it off me that weekend. I didn't even get to race it! I'm fixing up our Team Challenge 2000 ZX6R for this season. If I haven't shamed you into running white plates, then I think you should write back to CCS and tell them to make me an amateur again too. Otherwise, you'll win every F40 race that you enter! Oh well. At least I'll know where to go if I want a slice of cherry pie on Saturday night! ::)
I'll bring the pie if you bring some more of those steaks! Mmm mmm!
This whole topic is probably a waist of time anyway. I'm in the Air Force Reserves and if you've listened to the news, know that there's a good chance I'll be over in the desert by the start of the season. :( What would be a good tire choice for sand?
Paddles. Check with the boys that run the dunes in CA or MI. ;D ;D ;D
QuotePaddles. Check with the boys that run the dunes in CA or MI. ;D ;D ;D
I wonder if they would notice if I packed my XR100 pitbike in with all our gear? ;D C5s have lots of room!
QuoteThis whole topic is probably a waist of time anyway. I'm in the Air Force Reserves and if you've listened to the news, know that there's a good chance I'll be over in the desert by the start of the season. :( What would be a good tire choice for sand?
I can watch the GSXR for you while you're gone! ;D
Me on a GSXR. Would that be anything like a smart bomb? Probably not smart enough...
Ok Kids,
I am genuinely stumped..
Near as I can figure this is club racing and the primary goal here is to have a good time and kick your buddies collective a$$es.
In the AFM they make it simple.. The first year, you start out an Amateur and stay that way until you complete six race weekends. After six race weekends you can petition to go white immediately or finish out the year as an novice. Next year, you are white plate, no debate.
The truth is, all of us when we first started riding thought that we had a chance to win. Obviously none of us believed that we would light the world on fire but racer ego demands that all things being equal...I'm faster.. And we all promptly got our a$$es kicked by novices/amateurs that were anything but.
I'm new to the region and will be an amateur. Yet I raced for years in NorCal and used to be able to put my 250 on an AMA grid.. Hardly seems fair to the kid that just strapped number plates onto his streetbike, spent three weeks learning how to safety wire and has a fresh new set of takeoffs, all set for his first race weekend.
Guys and Gals, leave the yellow plates for amateurs, its a club race.. yellow plates really should be the last bastion of fun. White plates... lets bang on each other all we want. And if you are still fast go play on a local AMA round.
Steven
Steven, your post doesn't make much sense. You qualify for AMA grids but you are going to a new region so you will be an amateur. You must have taken some time off for this to be allowed but you even said amateur status should be reserved for the newbies.
Hi Bc,
You've hit the nail on the head.. Am Amateur status only because the last race I entered was an AMA round in Phoenix in, I think 98 maybe 99 and an AFM Endurance Race the same year. Thats exactly my point... Am I an amateur? Not in any orginization but CCS. Does that mean I'm a threat for an Amateur championship?? Absolutely not.. Will I be up to speed? Again probably not, its been three, four years since I last raced with intent. Having said that, I feel pretty confident that some poor guy on his first outing is gonna lap me.. My point is simply that novices need a place where thay can race against other novices. Hell it took me three race weekends alone just to figure out where the next turn at Sears Point even went, let alone a reasonable line through same, and I'm still learning!
I just remember how excited I was the first time I spent three weeks trying to drill bolts for safety wire on an old 86 VFR with 70000 street miles for my first race. I remember hoping that I would be able to test my skills against other guys "fresh from the street" like myself or at the very least with less than a year of experience.. I do know I wouldn't want to run up against a guy who has been an amateur for three years +, and maybe not even against an old has been who's been racing since 93 and brings a Honda RS250 to my VFR ;)
Its a club race guys...give the amateur class back to the "amateurs". :)
Steven
K3, what would you want with my old style, stock GSXR? That thing is a slug! The only way I could go fast on it was to take the front brake pads out and go 5 teeth up on the rear sproket! :o
Steve, If I get mobilized before the banquet, you can have the room to yourself. ;) And could you pick up my wood? ;D
QuoteOk Kids,
Kid? Thanks! ;D
Sure, KC, and I'll pay your first entry fee when you get back.
BUT!
I wanna ride in one of those...well...YOU know. Don't want to be like CNN and give away all the military secrets.
QuoteSure, KC, and I'll pay your first entry fee when you get back.
BUT!
I wanna ride in one of those...well...YOU know. Don't want to be like CNN and give away all the military secrets.
LOL! I'll watch CNN to find out if and when I'm going. There's a word for leaking stuff like that. It's called treason. Pi$$es me off when I see them giving out sensitive info on TV.
WOW, you all have lossed it in the off season!!!!!!
COME ON APRIL!!!!WHOHOO!!!!!
QuoteWOW, you all have lossed it in the off season!!!!!!
COME ON APRIL!!!!WHOHOO!!!!!
I think we all see whose lost it! ;D
Hey Kevin,
If you do get called up to go stomping around in the sand, let me be the first (and hopefully not the last) to say THANK YOU for what you do.
Rich
QuoteHey Kevin,
If you do get called up to go stomping around in the sand, let me be the first (and hopefully not the last) to say THANK YOU for what you do.
Rich
Thanks Rich! You just made my day. ;D
JUST TRYING TO GET ALONG TO THE START OF THE SEASON!!!!
Kevin:
What branch are you in? My cousin is in the Army (enlisted) and is over there now.
Dawn :)
Hoo-Yah!
Do good work...
Hope that this all is resolved before you, and others, have to do what is needed to be done. We're all behind you!
Kevin (and any others) we all stand in your debt. God bless, and good luck.
Kevin is a bad mofo! :)
he's one Baaad mutha <shut yo mouth> im talkin bout kc124 !!!
Quotehe's one Baaad mutha <shut yo mouth> im talkin bout kc124 !!!
Is this Isaac Hayes? or Isaac Anderson ;D
QuoteIs this Isaac Hayes? or Isaac Anderson ;D
dis be IKE Turner !!!! who dat be askin ? Dr. Duck ? or Rev Desioux ??
i miss TZDesioux!!!! where is he? you seeent m ??
and has anybody seent Tina Turner ??? that beeeiio.....oooops!!!
hi Dawn
;D
Quote dis be IKE Turner !!!! who dat be askin ? Dr. Duck ? or Rev Desioux ??
i miss TZDesioux!!!! where is he? you seeent m ??
and has anybody seent Tina Turner ??? that beeeiio.....oooops!!!
hi Dawn
;D
HAHAHAHAHA.. ;D that was pretty funny! You going to be that banquet?
yeah, i gotta take my friends, they wanna go, but SAY they wont go without me...
im thinking of testin em :D
Oh, we'll definitely go without you Ike! We'll have lots and lots of fun, and you'll miss it all. Big fun! The kind of fun you'd really enjoy! But if you don't show, we'll do it anyhow!!
Your choice!
K3
QuoteOh, we'll definitely go without you Ike! We'll have lots and lots of fun, and you'll miss it all. Big fun! The kind of fun you'd really enjoy! But if you don't show, we'll do it anyhow!!
Your choice!
K3
k3,
you got room for three more?
we could meetchoo on da eway exit ramp as you pass thru da chy from kankykee
Quotek3,
you got room for three more?
we could meetchoo on da eway exit ramp as you pass thru da chy from kankykee
What? You're so broke you can't even afford a car now? ;D I'd give you a lift if I could Ike, but I'm going there more or less straight from the bike show. I've got to make a personal appearance there for all my adoring fans... I hope I don't get writer's cramp from signing all those autographs... 8)
QuoteKevin:
What branch are you in? My cousin is in the Army (enlisted) and is over there now.
Dawn :)
Air Force. I'm a weapons specialist on the A-10 Warthog. I can deliver special messages to Saddam on request. ;D
QuoteAir Force. I'm a weapons specialist on the A-10 Warthog. I can deliver special messages to Saddam on request. ;D
If I told you my special request for Saddam here on the board, Dawn would get all offended. We can't have that...
I really hope you don't have to go. Personally, I get the creeps when just one helecopter shows up. If it comes to that and you're loading missiles, do me a favor and write 333 on one of them. Much like me, the missile will go very fast for a while, and then impact spectacularly...
K3
QuoteIf I told you my special request for Saddam here on the board, Dawn would get all offended. We can't have that...
I really hope you don't have to go. Personally, I get the creeps when just one helecopter shows up. If it comes to that and you're loading missiles, do me a favor and write 333 on one of them. Much like me, the missile will go very fast for a while, and then impact spectacularly...
K3
No problem, K3. I just hope it doesn't go off track. Oh, I crack myself up! ;D
QuoteNo problem, K3. I just hope it doesn't go off track. Oh, I crack myself up! ;D
Better bring Ramin Noodles to the track next time. >:(
QuoteBetter bring Ramin Noodles to the track next time. >:(
For you, I'll bring steak! ;)
QuoteAir Force. I'm a weapons specialist on the A-10 Warthog. I can deliver special messages to Saddam on request. ;D
For Saddam....
I'm thinking a nice heat seeking missle after a two for one bean borrito night. Just be sure to get his two sons too. Apparently they are more evil than the old man.
Dawn :)
Kevin, you dont know me but could you write something on one of those weapons for me?
make it say >:("From all of us at C. C. S. This is the only time you'll be in front of us!! Your friend's CHAMPIONSHIP CUP SERIES MIDWEST " Let him chew on that! >:(
Kevin
I have now found a reason to really respect you, good luck if you go and you had better get your a$$ back here safe and sound. But you know what now I know why you can be such an A$$, you belong to the plane jockeys LOL. Hey serious now you kill the bastard so we don't have to do this again.
Craig
The request line is now open. ;D
To make this an even 200 replies, I'm moving this to a new thread. Later, Kevin ;D ;D ;D
It took me a while to find it....
14 pages - the record for this board.
Dawn ;)
If I reply to this, does that make me a posting sandbagger? ???
QuoteIf I reply to this, does that make me a posting sandbagger? ???
Nope....
The board aready recognizes you as an expert.
Dawn ;)
Oh. An Air Force update. I retired with 20 years service, in Feburary. My unit was activated in April and are currently in Iraq. :(
QuoteNope....
The board aready recognizes you as an expert.
Dawn ;)
You are just too funny. :P
Ah yes. My all time favorite thread. So Kevin. Share with us your talley as a repeat amateur in 2003. ;D
Uhhhhhh...do I hear post whore? ;D
And how many pages are you shooting for?
Hmmmmmmm
QuoteAh yes. My all time favorite thread. So Kevin. Share with us your talley as a repeat amateur in 2003. ;D
Last race at Gateway. Formula 40. LAST PLACE!!! :P
QuoteAnd how many pages are you shooting for?
Hmmmmmmm
Hmmmmmmm. How about 15? ;D
so technically, you've only been a civilian for under a year now... so you are a twenty year old racer.
go expert you wussie... then i can stomp you all over again ;D
Lil 30 thorny
besides, you are a board expert.... i'm only a board novice! doesn't seem fair does it.
Kevin you going to Daytona? i may need an extra clip-on when i'm down there. ;)
Benj.
Quotebesides, you are a board expert.... i'm only a board novice! doesn't seem fair does it.
Kevin you going to Daytona? i may need an extra clip-on when i'm down there. ;)
Benj.
Not going to Daytona. Are you going to Gateway this weekend? You can stomp me there. ;)
QuoteLast race at Gateway. Formula 40. LAST PLACE!!! :P
And the rest of your season? It occurs to me that you'd have won the expert F40 championships that I will be collecting had you gone white. In fact, you still would have won them if CCS would have made you start fron the amateur grid each race. Does that make you a sandbagger? :-/
QuoteAnd the rest of your season? It occurs to me that you'd have won the expert F40 championships that I will be collecting had you gone white. In fact, you still would have won them if CCS would have made you start fron the amateur grid each race. Does that make you a sandbagger? :-/
??? They did make me start from the amateur grid. ???
Ok. I could have won the F40 expert championship starting from the amateur grid. Was I the fastest amateur? Lap times yes. Results? Not allways. Was I the fastest including experts? A few times. So what? Staying yellow had nothing to do with F40. It had everything to do with a new rider, first year racer, competing in GTU, MWGP ect... I did what I said I would do. I raced close to home and stayed out of the championship race. I think I made the right decision. I really worked hard on being a safe smooth rider this year. Am I ready to move up? He11 yes! At the beginning of the year, all I wanted to do was get on the track and have fun. The last couple of races I started to click of some decent lap times. I'm still 3 or 4 seconds a lap slower than the lead amateurs. I'll run expert next year and then retire. I can't take K3's abuse. ;D
Kevin, Kevin Kevin... Abuse? Nothing you didn't richly deserve. ;D You just have to use your imagination and retaliate in the proper manner. I can't believe that by now you haven't started a thread where, based against your performance this year, that K3 (that's me) should be demoted back to amateur for 04.
Of course, I've yet to start a thread about sandbagging amateurs thrusting through the expert wave and bouncing off hapless experts as they pass... ::)
QuoteOf course, I've yet to start a thread about sandbagging amateurs thrusting through the expert wave and bouncing off hapless experts as they pass... ::)
That would be the old "amateur t-bones the expert" story. Where have I heard that one before? Would Rob Lacavich like to comment on this one? ;D Have you got your mirrors installed for St. Louis this weekend? I'm coming for you, K3!
I say we give Kevin a special hunter-safety-orange plate and just let him run around where he damn well pleases.
Kris, that was pretty dang rude. People have been telling Kevin that he's special all his life. Around here we try to make him feel welcome. It's hard for guys like Kevin to fit in, so in the future, please try not to bring this up again, OK?
QuoteKris, that was pretty dang rude. People have been telling Kevin that he's special all his life. Around here we try to make him feel welcome. It's hard for guys like Kevin to fit in, so in the future, please try not to bring this up again, OK?
I'm special! Yea! ;D And don't forget to visit my website, SANDBAGGER.com.
Is it a rule that KC has to wear a helmet at all times, even sitting in a folding chair in the pits?
QuoteIs it a rule that KC has to wear a helmet at all times, even sitting in a folding chair in the pits?
Yup! ;D
If only to hide that red-headed stepchild mug of his!!! :D
QuoteIf only to hide that red-headed stepchild mug of his!!! :D
LOL! ;D
P.S. Good meeting you this weekend K3.
Hey K3. I only earned 450 points this year. Looks like I'll be wearing yellow another season. :-*
Hey Kevin
Gee you will do anything to stay yellow.
Too bad F-40 don't count in overall or you would be white finanly.
Craig
QuoteHey K3. I only earned 450 points this year. Looks like I'll be wearing yellow another season. :-*
SUPERSANDBAGGER.COM
QuoteHey K3. I only earned 450 points this year. Looks like I'll be wearing yellow another season. :-*
Looks like you and me next year old man! hehehe ;D By the way Kevin... did you get the e-mail I sent you?
QuoteSUPERSANDBAGGER.COM
That would be, EXPERTYELLOWPLATEDSANDBAGGER.com ;D
QuoteBy the way Kevin... did you get the e-mail I sent you?
Yes. Thank you for the picture. That was the only time I went to Blackhawk this year. :( I passed Mike and you going into turn 6 that same lap. Whats weird is I never seen that #53 bike. He's a little ahead of me in the picture. Did he run off the track coming out of 5? He's running pretty wide for that part of the corner. :o ???
Sorry guys...
... but www.sandbagger.com is already taken (by a baseball team no less.
Check out this definition that I found on line ;D
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/sandbagger
Dawn :-*
So from that definition a sandbagger is a more lethal form of a pillowfighter? Must be difficult to swing that sandbag.
-z.
QuoteYes. Thank you for the picture. That was the only time I went to Blackhawk this year. :( I passed Mike and you going into turn 6 that same lap. Whats weird is I never seen that #53 bike. He's a little ahead of me in the picture. Did he run off the track coming out of 5? He's running pretty wide for that part of the corner. :o ???
According to the results... his name is Don Cook. I dont know him either. He finished behind me in 5th for that race. So if he did run off comming out of t5, I never saw him. I was trying to catch you and Mike! :-/ (I was pedaling as fast as I could go!) ;D
QuoteAccording to the results... his name is Don Cook. I dont know him either. He finished behind me in 5th for that race. So if he did run off comming out of t5, I never saw him. I was trying to catch you and Mike! :-/ (I was pedaling as fast as I could go!) ;D
I was trying to catch Craig Schock. Which I did not. He was flying! :o
Definition: [n] someone who deceives you about his true nature or intent in order to take advantage of you
See Also: beguiler, cheat, cheater, deceiver, slicker, trickster
Wow. Harsh.
QuoteDefinition: [n] someone who deceives you about his true nature or intent in order to take advantage of you
See Also: beguiler, cheat, cheater, deceiver, slicker, trickster
Wow. Harsh.
Wow! Chris, Chris, Chris. Haven't you figured me out yet? Cheater? Deceiver? This is why I waited till I was 40 to start racing. (not 39 1/2) It was all that experience I had riding streetbikes that I had, that I knew would translate into race victories that brought me to roadracing. All 1 year of it. Oh, lest we forget all of the offroad experience too. 4 or 5 times riding through the woods on a 1972, 185cc street and trail.(25 years ago) Cheater? This is why my bike is stock with a stock suspension. I heard this was the hot set-up. Right Super_Dave? And Dave, Comparing me with Gary NIxon? Thank you. However, he didn't start racing and riding when he was 40. So, BLEH! I know I made the right decesion. I became a safer and faster rider because of it. However, I maybe shouldn't of ran Formula 40. :-/ Flame away.
CALM DOWN KEVIN!!! I went to the site that Dawn listed. http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/sandbagger
That was the definition. I called it harsh. As in "I don't agree." OK? There's a difference between teasing and bashing. If this game isn't going to be for fun anymore, I'm going to stop playing.
QuoteAccording to the results... his name is Don Cook. I dont know him either. He finished behind me in 5th for that race. So if he did run off comming out of t5, I never saw him. I was trying to catch you and Mike! :-/ (I was pedaling as fast as I could go!) ;D
What! How dare you insult my cornering on the internet for all the world to see! Put 'em up!! ;)
Hmmm, you must be referring to the second round at BHF in May? I didn't run off but may have taken some odd lines and definitely made a few mistakes since it was my first time on the track in about 5 or 6 years and I was getting reacquainted with it.
I did better later :)
See you next year :)
QuoteWhat! How dare you insult my cornering on the internet for all the world to see! Put 'em up!! ;)
Hmmm, you must be referring to the second round at BHF in May? I didn't run off but may have taken some odd lines and definitely made a few mistakes since it was my first time on the track in about 5 or 6 years and I was getting reacquainted with it.
I did better later :)
See you next year :)
Sorry Don... we wern't bashing, just observing your line in T-5 :o. lol! Send me an e-mail so I have your address and I will send you the picture that we are talking about! Glad to hear that you are returning to the track! (Kevin and me need someone to beat up on in the F-40 next year!) ;D
Hey Kevin...you should start meowing and it's not because I'm calling you a cat!
Strap on the white plates...
Pu$$y!! ;D ;D ;D
Eddie? Did you say "Strap on?" I'll bet now you've AROUSED Kevin's curiosity... :o ;D
QuoteWhat! How dare you insult my cornering on the internet for all the world to see! Put 'em up!! ;)
Hmmm, you must be referring to the second round at BHF in May? I didn't run off but may have taken some odd lines and definitely made a few mistakes since it was my first time on the track in about 5 or 6 years and I was getting reacquainted with it.
I did better later :)
See you next year :)
Hey Don. Whats up? In the picture it looks like you are ahead of me. I never saw you in that corner because I was looking through the turn. I just remember getting a really good drive out of turn 5 and went right to the edge of the track at the exit. There was a good chance that our paths might of crossed, with you slightly behind me. :o ......or maybe not. ;D
QuoteHey Kevin...you should start meowing and it's not because I'm calling you a cat!
Strap on the white plates...
Pu$$y!! ;D ;D ;D
No comment...yet. :P
QuoteEddie? Did you say "Strap on?" I'll bet now you've AROUSED Kevin's curiosity... :o ;D
That would be a big fat NO!! :P :P
QuoteHey Don. Whats up? In the picture it looks like you are ahead of me. I never saw you in that corner because I was looking through the turn. I just remember getting a really good drive out of turn 5 and went right to the edge of the track at the exit. There was a good chance that our paths might of crossed, with you slightly behind me. :o ......or maybe not. ;D
Um, I dunno. I guess I'd better ask Mark for a pic so I know what you guys are talking about.
If it was the second weekend of BHF it was basically a new track to me and I may have just run wide. I don't recall any incidents but I may have just forgotten about it.
I got two 5th places at BHF in F40 but the one later in the year was when I had to run off in T3 because I nearly rear ended a guy (who will remain nameless) who parked it and I had to climb back to get 5th.
I'll PM you or Mark for the pic.
Send me a e-mail Don and I will send you that picture also. hd1994softail@aol.com
You have mail. :)
QuoteYou have mail. :)
Back at ya! :D
Ok. I looked at the pic and this is my conclusion. I was in perfect form and the rest of you were all too far inside. It's obvious that I'm on the process of embarassing the who pack of you by passing you all at once on the outside.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;D
Actually, I don't remember it at all. It was my first weekend on BHF in many moons and I think I was just wandering around trying to find out where I was supposed to be. Thanks for sharing hte photo.
Thanks Don. I was worried all year that I had ran you off the track. (The picture was posted a week or so after that race) Are you racing next year? I'll be the guy with the white plates. ;D Yes, you heared it hear first. Going to put on the white ones just like I said I would. :P And Dawn, I'm getting an SV. ;)
Oh, and Chris, I'll also have a GSXR750. :P :P :P
(Kind of a Yellow Plated Sandbagger)
Is that anything like slightly pregnant?
QuoteAnd Dawn, I'm getting an SV. ;)
Cool... The more the merrier.
Dawn ;)
QuoteI'll be the guy with the white plates. ;D Yes, you heared it hear first. Going to put on the white ones just like I said I would. :P And Dawn, I'm getting an SV. ;)
:'( Sniff...sniff... I'm all of a sudden feeling all alone! Who am I gonna play with now? Does this mean that I have to be the "Yellow plated sandbagger" next season?
Noooooooooooooooo...!lol...! Glad to see that your stepping up Kevin. I hope next season goes very well for you. Good luck Bro!
Don... I Glad you didnt run off either. Hearing your explination of your stragity... That was a brave move to try and overtake us comming out of T-5. lol! ;D Seriousley tho, glad to see you on the track! Your compitition is more than welcome! Hope to see you next season as well! Mark!
So who else will be yellow next year?
Just you Dear... :-*
QuoteSo who else will be yellow next year?
Um.... You, me...? dont know about anyone else. We can always beat up on Rob next season I guess. ;)
I'll be yellar again. 8)
I will be yellow again! I BETTER be as I was at best running 1:27.9s at BHF, compared to some 1:19s and 18s from the leading Ams that weekend also on SS SVs :o
I'll be yellow again thanks to Lilthorny for letting me ass pack him and not get any points in MWGP. :)
QuoteUm.... You, me...? dont know about anyone else. We can always beat up on Rob next season I guess. ;)
LOL! It'll be a tag-team thing... ;D I'm sure that between all of us we can make it a MOST interesting season!!!!!!
QuoteThanks Don. I was worried all year that I had ran you off the track. (The picture was posted a week or so after that race) Are you racing next year? I'll be the guy with the white plates. ;D Yes, you heared it hear first. Going to put on the white ones just like I said I would. :P And Dawn, I'm getting an SV. ;)
Heck, you shouldnt' worry so much. It was all good.
Yeah, I think I'll be back. I'll know for sure after I see the schedule. I may go white. I think I have enough points even though I only make the local races. If so, I guess you'll have another chance at me in T5. :)
K3, Eddie and all, going white was my intention from the beginning. It was just too much fun messing with you. ;D As far as the season went this year, any opinions on me staying amateur? Here's of my results for the year;
Blackhawk 5/10- Best lap 1:23
F40 2nd/out of 6
MWGP 10th/12
GTU 18th/21
MAM 5/25- Best lap 1:47
F40 2nd/4
MWGP 14th/14
GTU 18th/25
Gateway 6/20- Best lap 1:13
F40 1st/6
MWGP 8th/17
GTU 5th/22
MAM 7/6-7 Twin Sprints Best lap 1:43
F40 2nd/6 Rain
F40 1st/5
GTU 17th/20
MWGP 9th/12
Topeka 8/8- Best lap 1:38
F40 1st/8
MWGP 6th/8
MWSB last/?
Gateway 9/13-14 Twin Sprints Best lap 1:12
F40 2nd/5
F40 7th/7 (flat tire)
MWGP 5th/8
HWSS 5th/9
Gateway 10/4 Best lap 1:11
F40 1st/8
MWGP 6th/12
GTU 8th/12
Overall points: 410 Perf. Rating 458.3
Class rankings:
F40 4th, MWGP 9th, GTU 16th
Question: White or Yellow??? :)
It would depress me too much to review my stats and lap times. All I know for sure is that you caught and passed me from the amateur wave several times. After the season I had, I could probably justify going yellow next year. I'll stay white though. Now that I finally have a fast, dependable bike, maybe I can get my helmet out of my @$$ and start riding like I used too!
QuoteIt would depress me too much to review my stats and lap times. All I know for sure is that you caught and passed me from the amateur wave several times. After the season I had, I could probably justify going yellow next year. I'll stay white though. Now that I finally have a fast, dependable bike, maybe I can get my helmet out of my @$$ and start riding like I used too!
Staying white? I guess I'll have to stay yellow afterall. I was only going expert when I heard you were going back to amateur. I'm to skered to race you heads up. :o
Noooooooooo... Go white! Time for you to move on!!!! ;D
QuoteLOL! It'll be a tag-team thing... ;D I'm sure that between all of us we can make it a MOST interesting season!!!!!!
Notta chance Kimmie. ;D ;D ;D
BTW according to my points records, I got 501 in selective points. ;D ;D Guess I might have to 'appeal' it. ;D ;D
Yellow Forever!
QuoteNotta chance Kimmie. ;D ;D ;D
BTW according to my points records, I got 501 in selective points. ;D ;D Guess I might have to 'appeal' it. ;D ;D
According to MW total points, don't you have 455?
I myself only have 129 total points..... ;D "yellow forever!"
QuoteAccording to MW total points, don't you have 455?
I myself only have 129 total points..... ;D "yellow forever!"
Well they dont have the GTU results added in yet. I raced the GTU at Gateway finished 14th (last of course ;D) 14th is 23pts X 2 = 46. 46 + 455= 501 ;D
If I dont add the GTU points, then I have 455. ;D
Well get that Buell (Buell should be on the word filter ;D) into other classes then Mark.:D:D
OK my math is about as sharp as a basketball tonight. :o ;D
14th in GTU, 37pts X 2 = 74. 455 + 74 = 519. ;D ;D
QuoteOK my math is about as sharp as a basketball tonight. :o ;D
14th in GTU, 37pts X 2 = 74. 455 + 74 = 519. ;D ;D
Got it.
519 points? I only had 410. Don't be a sandbagger next year! ;D
Quote519 points? I only had 410. Don't be a sandbagger next year! ;D
Is that from one sand bagger to another? ;) I only wound up with 129...hehehe! ::)
die thread die!!!
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ya right, I am about to start a new thread asking who is going to be the sandbaggers of 04 ;D
I wonder how long that thread is going to get and how pissed people will get.
But for real, who are the sandbaggers you think? ::) :P
Quotedie thread die!!!
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Come on Benji. Don't you want to see it hit 300? ;D
yeah, your right.....300 would be good. Besides,
it's the only real accomplishment you've had all year
right Kev? :o ;D
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Super Dave is the only sandbagger that i know of.
I think that he is coming out of semi-retirement tho.
watch for him to be on the podium all year....behind
me of course. ;D ;D ;D
Benj.
Quoteyeah, your right.....300 would be good. Besides,
it's the only real accomplishment you've had all year
right Kev? :o ;D
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That's not true. I had my first crash and first flat tire also! ;)
QuoteSuper Dave is the only sandbagger that i know of.
I think that he is coming out of semi-retirement tho.
watch for him to be on the podium all year....behind
me of course. ;D ;D ;D
Benj.
Hey Dave. How about a school date for Heartland Park? I need to go faster. I don't want Benji to lap me. :'(
QuoteWell get that Buell (Buell should be on the word filter ;D) into other classes then Mark.:D:D
Ok you Buell basher you... ;) What classes would you suggest other than Thunder, S-Twins, F-40, & LWGP? Dont forget, I'm old and slow! ;D
Will this post make it to page 20?
???
QuoteWill this post make it to page 20?
???
I'm thinking yes...! lol
Thanks for the help.
Dawn ;D
QuoteThanks for the help.
Dawn ;D
Thats what I'm here for! ;) 13 more posts for the 300 mark!
391, LWsuperbike. Works out well, Saturday, Thunderbike and F40, Sunday, GP and Superbike. We have to pace ourselves when we're Old slow and TIRED. ;D I don't run Supertwins because I don't want Bernie to know how slow I really am.
QuoteThats what I'm here for! ;) 13 more posts for the 300 mark!
11 more til 300 ;D ;D
freaking sandbaggers!!! :D
so who is going to be the subject of this now
8 more to go ;D
Hey Benji, I'm gonna transform all my post padding, F40 sandbagging experience to fast somb!tchn expert rac'n and kick your "I can outrun Larry Pegram" 1st year expert butt! ;D
7 more to go.
Whatever Kevin, just do your best to be the last back-marker that I lap :o :o :o
you silly man you.
6 more to go
Benji. ;D
QuoteWhatever Kevin, just do your best to be the last back-marker that I lap :o :o :o
you silly man you.
6 more to go
Benji. ;D
Whatever, punk. Old age and treachery...... ;)
Only 5, now
OK. now it's 5 to go. ;D
(Did I mention lately that I'm 42? :-[)
yeah we'll see old timer, put that white plate on and
you'll wish you were sandbagging, you Kowalski wannabe :o :o :o
4 to go ;D
Benji.
first one to 300 wins this thread!
Benji.
did I win?
I think I won.
is this number 300 yet?
Kevin, I'm gonna beat you again!!!
BENJI
Quoteyeah we'll see old timer, put that white plate on and
you'll wish you were sandbagging, you Kowalski wannabe :o :o :o
4 to go ;D
Benji.
Don't worry the white plate will be on. Hey, did you see the Mike Brown block pass I put on Simon for the money in GTU at the first St. Louis race this year?
HERE COMES THE CHECKERED...
Who won?
post whores :P
Quotepost whores :P
ho I mean ho :p
I did it, I beat yer a s s again.
dude you should just quit....be my pit crew ;D
lil_thorny.
the victor once again!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QuoteI did it, I beat yer a s s again.
dude you should just quit....be my pit crew ;D
lil_thorny.
the victor once again!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pit crew? I don't think so! I don't like rebuilding crashed bikes all the time. Oh, I crack myself up! ;D
Kevin, man, I gotta tell you, beating your A s s again
in front of all these people is better than my 2 national championships ;D ;D
MightyThorny.
you mighnt learn something about bike set-up from putting my stuff back together though :o :o
you gonna keep riding that 2000 P.O.S.
P.oor O.ld S.uzuki.
Benji.
Kevin,
did I mention that I thanked you in my acceptence speech? "Kevin Clark for the clip-on emergency"
Dude, you are famous now!!!!
I am such a D i c k ;D ;D ;D
Benji.
Quoteyou mighnt learn something about bike set-up from putting my stuff back together though :o :o
you gonna keep riding that 2000 P.O.S.
P.oor O.ld S.uzuki.
Benji.
The championship winning P.O.S. 600 is for sale. If I can sell it, I'll be riding a SV650 next year. I'll still have the Ultra P.O.S. 97 GSXR750 to woop your butt with. ;D
Just kidding, luv you man.
30.
no, not like that!!!!
QuoteThe championship winning P.O.S. 600 is for sale. If I can sell it, I'll be riding a SV650 next year. I'll still have the Ultra P.O.S. 97 GSXR750 to woop your butt with. ;D
Don't you mean " wipe my butt with" ?
I'm really struggling here. Trying to understand how
someone could be so delusional..... Are you on drugs right now? You never seemed like this at the track. Do you want to talk about it? Do you need a hug? ???
Benji.
Just having some fun. ;D It's passed this old farts bedtime. Goodnight, Mighty Benji. (Your my hero!)
Goodnight Kev, BTW, we crushed the 300 mark!!!!
Benji ;D
QuoteKevin,
did I mention that I thanked you in my acceptence speech? "Kevin Clark for the clip-on emergency"
Dude, you are famous now!!!!
Benji.
I didn't mention you in mine last year, but I didn't know you then. ;)
So who going white next year besides me?
QuoteSo who going white next year besides me?
Not me Kevin... staying yellow next year. I think Craig Shock, Paul Buxton, and Tom Short are going white if my memory is correct. Thats 3 that I know of besides you. Other than that... donno.
QuoteSo who going white next year besides me?
me! me! me! although I could stay another year since I didn't win a championship or nothing right ;)
my buddy is moving too, he finishes just out of wood most of the season, and can't wait til he race with white plates. Now if we have more like him we wouldn't have all these "interesting" debates on the board.
QuoteSo who going white next year besides me?
I'm still thinking... :-/
QuoteI'm still thinking... :-/
LOL!!!!
Do you think if Paul petitioned to stay amateur next year they would let him? ;) ;D
Dawn
QuoteLOL!!!!
Do you think if Paul petitioned to stay amateur next year they would let him? ;) ;D
Dawn
So you're saying they wouldn't let me? I dunno. I certainly wouldn't want to acquire a YPSB title!
Thing is, I picked up an R6 "just to play around with" (isn't that how it always starts) and it'll take me a while to get up and running on it.
Our good times in LW were within a few seconds of the fast 600 ams so I suppose I shouldn't worry.
Then again, painting over yellow is such a chore
:)
QuoteI certainly wouldn't want to acquire a YPSB title!
Don't worry Don, I think your safe in that reguard! There are others among us that are more worthey of that title! ;) (not me of course!) 8)
Quote I certainly wouldn't want to acquire a YPSB title!
Please, somebody take it. I don't want it! PLEASE!!
Does a 4th year AM = Sandbagger? What if they don't get 500 points in their 2nd and 3rd years?
If so, I think I'll have the title for 06 ;D
QuoteDoes a 4th year AM = Sandbagger? What if they don't get 500 points in their 2nd and 3rd years?
Hell I didnt get the 500pt thing until this year (5th year ;D)
QuoteHell I didnt get the 500pt thing until this year (5th year ;D)
5th year? A crafty veteren if I ever saw one. ;D
Quote5th year? A crafty veteren if I ever saw one. ;D
Shhhhh dont tell Kim. ;)
I let her run past me the frst part of the year to get her confidence up. ;D ;D ;D
Hey Kevin, I'll take it from you for the next few years. You know what are friends for anyway.
Craig ;D
QuotePlease, somebody take it. I don't want it! PLEASE!!
Might as well tattoo it on your arm, buddy. The title was invented specifically for you, and anyone else can only be your successor. You will always be the original. Wherever you go, whatever you do, that title will be with you until you
DIE! ;D
QuoteDoes a 4th year AM = Sandbagger? What if they don't get 500 points in their 2nd and 3rd years?
If so, I think I'll have the title for 06 ;D
Going on my 5th year myself... we ought to form a club! ;D
QuoteGoing on my 5th year myself... we ought to form a club! ;D
Better yet Mark, how about a team? ;D Sandbaggers-R-Us. ;D ;D
Don't you have to win to be considered a sandbagger? ;D
QuoteDon't you have to win to be considered a sandbagger? ;D
Hey... thats right! Best I've done is 2nd! Guess I can't be in the club then. DANG! :P
QuoteDon't you have to win to be considered a sandbagger? ;D
::)
:-/ ??? :-X :D ;D ;D
QuoteBetter yet Mark, how about a team? ;D Sandbaggers-R-Us. ;D ;D
Your not worthy....! :o ;) ;D No, wait! It's me thats not worthy...! Glad I got that straight. At my age its hard to keep things straight sometimes! ::)
Wonder if I'll be called a sandbagger after next year? Man that would be so cool! 8)
QuoteWonder if I'll be called a sandbagger after next year? Man that would be so cool! 8)
Kevin... we'll call you what ever you want. :o :D ;)
QuoteWonder if I'll be called a sandbagger after next year? Man that would be so cool! 8)
Yeah, you'd probably better just skip on up to MotoGP witcho bad self.
QuoteYeah, you'd probably better just skip on up to MotoGP witcho bad self.
:D :D :D :D
QuoteYeah, you'd probably better just skip on up to MotoGP witcho bad self.
So your saying I should keep my super tricked out, faster than a speeding bullet, 600, and go mix it up with Rossi and Nicky? :-/
Hey Brian, long time no see. It's good to hear from you. :-*
QuoteAt my age its hard to keep things straight sometimes! ::)
Yeah I forgot you piloted an LSD during WWII. ;D ;D ;D
QuoteYeah I forgot you piloted an LSD during WWII. ;D ;D ;D
Comon, I'm old but not quite that old... you Putz! lol! ;) And yes... I saw your statement at the bottom of your post. Plan all you want, isn't gonna happen! >:( <<< my race face! :-[<<< your race face! lol
;D ;D
Besides, that Buell is fugging fast!!!! Mark Bernard was friggin flying on that thing when I passed him in LWGP. ;D But seriously... that bike is fast!
Quote;D ;D
Besides, that Buell is fugging fast!!!! Mark Bernard was friggin flying on that thing when I passed him in LWGP. ;D But seriously... that bike is fast!
I knew I liked you for a reason!!! Thanks! ;)
QuoteSo your saying I should keep my super tricked out, faster than a speeding bullet, 600, and go mix it up with Rossi and Nicky? :-/
I think Proton is the best fit for you. The ultimate sandbagger bike.
QuoteI think Proton is the best fit for you. The ultimate sandbagger bike.
Sticking with Team Suzuki. Plus, I can whine with the best of them. ::)
But white doesn't go with my black and yellow paint scheme! :'( :'( :'(
QuoteBut white doesn't go with my black and yellow paint scheme! :'( :'( :'(
awww but white goes with any color :)
Reserected from the depths of message board Hell yet again! ;D
Is it ever gonna end?
Guess not......
QuoteBut white doesn't go with my black and yellow paint scheme! :'( :'( :'(
Right. I've had quite a few.
This is the post that never ends... It goes on and on my friend..... :o
hehe i'll add one on also is just like the energize bunny keeps going and going and going and..........
but go expert you'll learn to ride lot faster and then you can go up and compete with the 600 class :D ::)
It seems I will have a 600 to race next year since nobody will buy my sandbagging, championship winning GSXR. :'( (Look out Super_Dave)
Hey Kev? You got any street parts for that SRAD that you'd sell?
QuoteHey Kev? You got any street parts for that SRAD that you'd sell?
Nope. They all went towards fixing my street bike after my little accident last sumer. :'(
Miracle Whip, mustard is for those without taste :P
QuoteMiracle Whip, mustard is for those without taste :P
I like mustard!
"I like the Tin man." (From what movie?)
QuoteI like mustard!
"I like the Tin man." (From what movie?)
Way too easy!
"You'll shoot your eye out!"
(Holy crap! Page 25...)
Sandbaggers and post-padders. Disgusting!
QuoteSandbaggers and post-padders. Disgusting!
;D
;)
:P
::)
Quote;D
:o ;D :) ;) :D :o 8) ::) :P
QuoteSandbaggers and post-padders. Disgusting!
Yeh, Chris. Who's the one with over a 1000 post? :-*
True, but at least they weren't all to the same thread! :D
QuoteTrue, but at least they weren't all to the same thread! :D
:-[
well let me pad my post count a little ;D
Look out! It has a mind of it's own! :o
Die thread die!
QuoteWill this post make it to page 20?
???
I think I see 30...... :o
of course when the licenses get renewed and everyone set for next year, we have to visit back and talk about the YPS's. 40 page is no problem
Quoteof course when the licenses get renewed and everyone set for next year, we have to visit back and talk about the YPS's. 40 page is no problem
How could I miss this? The list is out. White plate #124! Look out K3!
"The new phone books are here! The new phone books are here."
From what movie?
'The Jerk' I think. I know it was Steve Martin.
Quote'The Jerk' I think. I know it was Steve Martin.
"Be somebody!" ;D
He invented the Opti-Grab. ;)
becomes a millionaire by inventing the "Opti-grab" handle for eye glasses - and shows why he's the hottest comic performer in America today.
We can't let this die. So how many MW/GP/GL ams are turning white this year?
I think I've changed my mind. Hey, Tiff! :-*
not IKE
QuoteHow could I miss this? The list is out. White plate #124! Look out K3!
From what movie?
The way it's looking, this stupid thread may outlast my racing career. I'm having difficulties at work and considering a career change. This bodes ill for my racing program...
QuoteThe way it's looking, this stupid thread may outlast my racing career. I'm having difficulties at work and considering a career change. This bodes ill for my racing program...
Sorry to hear K3. Fortunately for me, I just had a career change that will
help me keep racing.
Quotenot IKE
;D I was going to comment but thought better.... ;D
IKE....WTF!!! >:( ???..................
come on, gold and white..............
Good luck K3. Hope I see you this year.
IKE! Don't make me come up there! >:(
just thought I would breath some new life into this one. YPFL
Quotejust thought I would breath some new life into this one. YPFL
A pox upon you! >:(
;D
This is the tread that never ends... it goes on and on my friend.... :P
QuoteThis is the tread that never ends... it goes on and on my friend.... :P
Yep. Much like the never ending drip of an old pan right Mark? ;D
OK, Hit the track today with the white plates. Wow!!! Those things were worth 2 seconds a lap! If I'd only known. :'(
QuoteThis is the tread that never ends... it goes on and on my friend.... :P
Get it right Mark. Welcome my friends to the thread that never ends.....
QuoteGet it right Mark. Welcome my friends to the thread that never ends.....
I stand corrected! lol Good one Kevin!
QuoteYep. Much like the never ending drip of an old pan right Mark? ;D
I'll give you that one! lol ;)
QuoteI'll give you that one! lol ;)
Mark, found ya a nice 72 FLH for sale. $8000
Welcome back my friends to the thread that never ends
We're so glad you could attend
Come inside, come inside!
QuoteWelcome back my friends to the thread that never ends
We're so glad you could attend
Come inside, come inside!
Think of it this way. We got a thread on cycleforums that has 13,337 posts. :o ;D :D 8000 of which are probably from one guy. :o
Keep the thread alive! Yellow or White? Last year was my first season,did one race previous, year went over bars coming out of turn one, "ouch". Did ok last year,stayed upright for the most part,and my wife and I figured we could save money on paint,I still have half a can of yellow left ;) YELLOW What color is sand anyway? ??? ???
QuoteMark, found ya a nice 72 FLH for sale. $8000
Pass...
Ya' know guys.....
This thread is getting kinda boring. ::)
Dawn
so who are the sandbaggers this year? and how they doing during the first weekend? The sandbagger talk should start now, since everything is in the light! ;D
First race as a white plater. LWGP-7th, LWF40-3rd, LWSS-1st ;D*
*They said I cheated, so I got DQ'd. :( :P
what happend ?
QuoteLWSS-1st ;D*
*They said I cheated, so I got DQ'd. :( :P
Whaa haaa haaa haaa (sorry)
NOW do you believe what Paul said about your air box?
Dawn ;D
I was right, they were wrong. I would win in a court of law. But it wasn't a court of law, so there you go. :-/ The important thing is I had fun. ;D ;D ;D
QuoteI was right, they were wrong. I would win in a court of law. But it wasn't a court of law, so there you go. :-/ The important thing is I had fun. ;D ;D ;D
wouldn't that be the understatement of the year
Look's like Thunderbike for me instead of Supersport. ;D
QuoteWhaa haaa haaa haaa (sorry)
NOW do you believe what Paul said about your air box?
Dawn ;D
Oh, I believed him all along. I just thought is was worth a try. ;D
Quote*They said I cheated, so I got DQ'd. :( :P
So let me get this straight. You went from a sandbagger to a...? ;)
750 points in a year to become expert? I can't even get 500 points in a year with the classes that I run. I guess I'll just have to remain a yellow plated pansy my entire life.
Welcome to my world Superduck... The classes I run don't count toward total points. Which by the way, don't bother me at all. But I have a feeling this might be my last year as a YPSB.
You could always apply for an expert license.
Dawn ;)
I'm so disappointed in my hero. Then again, maybe I shouldn't have told tech "Make sure you tear down #124"... ??? :P ;) ;D
Don't blame me Kevin!
I roomed with the guy who teched your bike after the race. I didn't say a word to him about you being a chea... uh, I mean competitive guy. Not my fault - not this time!!
Rick
Quote750 points in a year to become expert? I can't even get 500 points in a year with the classes that I run. I guess I'll just have to remain a yellow plated pansy my entire life.
Thing is, I read the rule book for 2004 and it just says 750pts in a 12 month period. Doesnt say ANYTHING about "selective classes" to go from am to ex. Only thing mentioned about "selective classes" is for track championships.
Then again, they never added in the double points from my GTU race from Gateway in October, so instead of being over 500, I only had 472 or so.
QuoteYou could always apply for an expert license.
Dawn ;)
Noooooooo...!
QuoteYou could always apply for an expert license.
Dawn ;)
basphemy! ;)
QuoteNoooooooo...!
Mark.. wanna join the LW Amateurs doing 1:15's at BHF club this year? ;D
QuoteMark.. wanna join the LW Amateurs doing 1:15's at BHF club this year? ;D
Mark doing 1:15's around the WHOLE track? ;D
It takes him 1:15 to go from turn 1 to turn 3. ;D ;D
QuoteMark doing 1:15's around the WHOLE track? ;D
It takes him 1:15 to go from turn 1 to turn 3. ;D ;D
lol... ;D you really like busting his chops eh? ;)
Quotelol... ;D you really like busting his chops eh? ;)
As much as I can push the old man. ;D
BTW come out to BHF may 8-10. :D I have a surprise for him.
I'm just postin' here cuz I can't believe this thread is 29 pages! :o ::) ;)
Don't you fools have anything better to do with your time? :o ;) :D ;D
it just won't die! ;D
BENJI !!!!!!!!
Stevie!!!
QuoteDon't blame me Kevin!
I roomed with the guy who teched your bike after the race. I didn't say a word to him about you being a chea... uh, I mean competitive guy. Not my fault - not this time!!
Rick
Oh, so he was telling you about this guy who got DQ'd even though the Tech Director couldn't show him in the rule book where it said he couldn't modify a stock air filter? ;D
From the rule book: 6.1.2 D.
Original equipment airbox must remain as produced. Air filters must be used but may be Aftermarket units. Aftermarket air filters are are restricted to units available via normal commercial channels and designed for that specific model machine. Aftermarket air filters units that replace part of the OEM. airbox are required to maintain the original size and number of air inlet openings as the stock unit.
I do not have an aftermarket air filter and it doesn't say stock air filters cannot be modified. ;)
QuoteMark.. wanna join the LW Amateurs doing 1:15's at BHF club this year? ;D
1:15's on the Buell at BHF... shouldnt be a problem! Now... who am I gonna get to ride the bike??!! lol
QuoteMark doing 1:15's around the WHOLE track? ;D
It takes him 1:15 to go from turn 1 to turn 3. ;D ;D
Why were you timing my track walk? Man are you paranoid or what? Hahahahahahaha!! ;D
Quotelol... ;D you really like busting his chops eh? ;)
Yea... why is that? Oh yea, I rember.. It's because Oompa Loompa boy is slower than a little girl on a tricycle with one wheel missing! DOH!
QuoteAs much as I can push the old man. ;D
BTW come out to BHF may 8-10. :D I have a surprise for him.
I already have an umbrella girl Rob... if you show ip in a thong like Super Dave, I think I will go blind for life! :o 8)
White or yellow, K3? ;D
QuoteWhite or yellow, K3? ;D
Kevin, You gonna be at Road America? ;D
QuoteKevin, You gonna be at Road America? ;D
I should be there Friday. You going? ;D
QuoteWhite or yellow, K3? ;D
I've BEEN white, cherry picker... >:( 8)
QuoteI should be there Friday. You going? ;D
Yes, Look for me. I should be pulling in Thursday afternoon. ;D
K3... you running this round?
I'll be there. I spent all my 04 money paying for 03, so my bike is still bone stock with a slip-on. Never did lose that weight, either. But I promise that I'll be all over your skinny asian butt if you don't come with game! ;D
Thirty Pages!!!! :o
QuoteThirty Pages!!!! :o
Sad, isn't it? ;D
QuoteThirty Pages!!!! :o
I was thinkin' the same thing. :o Hey Dawn, If you're out there, is there a thread record or something? 'Cuz I think this one might be it! 8) :D
Just say I have a friend.. who should most definately turn expert this year but will remain yellow because he does not have enough points to turn expert. Is he a sandbagging, cherrypicking jackass or is that understandable? Should he take it upon himself to turn expert without CCS saying he should? This same friend also has medical condition. He suffers from elephantitis of the nuts.
Will you give us a hint as to whom this gentleman is.
I know your diagnossis is problably accurate due to your DDS training.
QuoteWill you give us a hint as to whom this gentleman is.
I know your diagnossis is problably accurate due to your DDS training.
oh you don't know him. He's my friend and he's no gentleman. 8)
if he is your "freind" what have you done to help him
I have your YPFL stickers I'll bring them to RA
I told him to turn expert but he insists that his bike looks better with yellow plates and that he will do whatever CCS tells him to do and since they didn't ask him to turn expert, he will remain yellow.
First Rice_Cube and now Vanilla_Rice....
Too funny!
;D
if he turned expert you would finish 3rd not forth every race right.
Don't feel bad at least you finish ;D
What's cooler than being cool?
RICE COLD!!!!!!
I crack myself up.
Quoteif he turned expert you would finish 3rd not forth every race right.
Don't feel bad at least you finish ;D
eh? I wasn't talking about Paul. Besides.. finishing 4th has more to do with me than the guys I race against. Anyways, if I ever finish 4th again I'm quitting motorcycle racing and taking up underwater knitting. I'm doing 5 race weekends this year and I will come out victorious in all 5 weekends with my 105 horsepower TZ250.
QuoteWhat's cooler than being cool?
RICE COLD!!!!!!
I crack myself up.
hah... Rice Cold just aint a cool name for a gangsta rap star like me. know um sayin? ;)
Quotehah... Rice Cold just aint a cool name for a gangsta rap star like me. know um sayin?
Ah yes, I understand now.
Rice Rice Baby. Ding Ding Ding duhduh ding ding.
Quotehah... Rice Cold just aint a cool name for a gangsta rap star like me. know um sayin? ;)
Excuse me, I speak jive...
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thats keep'n it reahall.
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Ward, don't you think you were a little hard on the Beaver last night? ;)
Nice hair! ;D
LMAO at Alexa! ;D
I'm back!
Sure glad I turned off my notification for this thread a year ago ;D
Arrrrgh! Back to the top!
Now do I have to put a lock on this thread or are we going for some sort of record here?
Record! Record! Record!!!!!! ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You can't stop it you can only hope to contain it!!!
;D
What is the record for this board?
QuoteRecord! Record! Record!!!!!! ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Lock! Lock! Lock!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is the record.... 32 pages
Dawn