Where can you buy those quick refuel dump cans used in things like endurance racing ??? Anyone ???
LP sells dri-breaks. You can screw the can end to most fuel bottles. The other end attaches in place of the gas cap. Most guys with this setup hose clamp a line to the breather and duct tape the hose to the can with the opening at the bottom. That way the hose is high when the can is upside-down and pouring. I think there was an advertisement for the aluminum can with the flow lever in one of the CCS rulebooks from a year or two ago. Hope this helps.
Also, I bet you'll find what you want in the back of Roadracing World.
woof... welcome to the world of big bucks..... No thank you, I'll take the Mrs Butterworth's route...
Thanks. We have to devise something. We're going to run a 6 hour endurance at Grattan in 2 weeks on the Mille. There's only one problem. We'll have to modify the stock gas tank, because the fuel opening on the Mille is tiny. It's hard to refuel using even a regular VP gas can. The hole is too small. So, we're gonna modify the tank, and then buy one of those gas dump cans with a trigger so we can refuel quickly. We already have a hook up on a bunch of fully assembled wheels, so we'll just throw slicks on them all. Now we just have to figure out the fuel, and how to make the tire change quick. Forget that whole quick change set up. It's alot of money from what I understand, and it ain't worth it. We firgured it out, and we stand a pretty good realistic chance at the podium if we don't crash out or have any failures. Our lap times combined will put us in a 1:28's to 1:30's average for 6 hours. :D We just have to get everything set up for reliable decent pit stops. Especially swapping out wheels. We'll have all the parts, just have to find the right people that can swap rims correctly and fairly quick.
Dan, how about just using a funnel for filling the gas? This is what I saw other racers used when filling their tanks with the VP fuel in the regual VP fuel containers. If you can get a gas container with a big air breather hole for the gas (this is what the VP fuel container is lacking and hence cause slow filling), it should dump gas down pretty quick (quicker than the funnel can allow the fule to go into the tank).
With the lap time you said you'll be averaging on the big V-Twin, I don't like quick fuel change will get you on the podium nor make any real difference in where your team will finish.............. :-/
Hopefully you and Ryan will have enough time to get used to your new Mille (practice time on the track) as you get it all preped and ready! ;)
QuoteDan, how about just using a funnel for filling the gas? ÊThis is what I saw other racers used when filling their tanks with the VP fuel in the regual VP fuel containers. ÊIf you can get a gas container with a big air breather hole for the gas (this is what the VP fuel container is lacking and hence cause slow filling), it should dump gas down pretty quick (quicker than the funnel can allow the fule to go into the tank). Ê
With the lap time you said you'll be averaging on the big V-Twin, I don't like quick fuel change will get you on the podium nor make any real difference in where your team will finish.............. Ê :-/
Hopefully you and Ryan will have enough time to get used to your new Mille (practice time on the track) as you get it all preped and ready! Ê ;)
Sunny... ah hell, nevermind.
Forget I said anything...........just trying to offer a cheap solution and where your team may/should end up based on common sense............... ;D
Good luck with the racing and have fun! ;) I won't be there to watch as I already make plan to go back to NY to visit my family that weekend.
QuoteForget I said anything..........
That's what I always do Sunny ;)
They sell them here http://www.behrents.com
About $200 for the dump can, $360 for the male dry brake and you'll have to look for a female dry brake for your bike. LAst I seen they were $400. So basically a grand for quick fill.
QuoteSo basically a grand for quick fill.
:o For that much, I"ll leave the track during the race and ride my butt over to the gas station 10 minutes away. Atleast then I can get a beer while fueling :P Guess we're gonna go with the home made version ;)
Camp, something like that would be the LAST thing I would "home-build". Imagine it fails and you get a nice 5 gal bath of race gas? Worst case it ignites.
QuoteCamp, something like that would be the LAST thing I would "home-build". Imagine it fails and you get a nice 5 gal bath of race gas? Worst case it ignites.
:o :'( Well... Ryan, you reading this...any ideas? That's the last thing we need.
QuoteThanks. We have to devise something. We're going to run a 6 hour endurance at Grattan in 2 weeks on the Mille. There's only one problem. We'll have to modify the stock gas tank, because the fuel opening on the Mille is tiny. It's hard to refuel using even a regular VP gas can. The hole is too small. So, we're gonna modify the tank, and then buy one of those gas dump cans with a trigger so we can refuel quickly. We already have a hook up on a bunch of fully assembled wheels, so we'll just throw slicks on them all. Now we just have to figure out the fuel, and how to make the tire change quick. Forget that whole quick change set up. It's alot of money from what I understand, and it ain't worth it. We firgured it out, and we stand a pretty good realistic chance at the podium if we don't crash out or have any failures. Our lap times combined will put us in a 1:28's to 1:30's average for 6 hours. :D We just have to get everything set up for reliable decent pit stops. Especially swapping out wheels. We'll have all the parts, just have to find the right people that can swap rims correctly and fairly quick.
Do you really think you have a shot at the podium with no quickfill and no quick change equipment on the bike?
Do you know what class a 1000 cc twin with slicks has to run in?
Do you have any idea what is required to be competitive in a national endurance event?
I didn't think so.
Doesn't really matter. We'll see what comes out of it. More or less, I'm happy with just the experiance. I can tell you this much though, my teammate won the last endurance race at Grattan, and runs a hell of a lap time. We'll see. Couldn't tell you. This will be my first endurance event. As far as quick change, and such, we don't need it. We don't care about contingency or sponsors, ect. We don't race for money, never would. My team mate is 3rd in standings right now, but doesn't fill out a single contingency form ;D
A six hour endurance race is a poor choice of venues to start racing. There is an awful lot of stuff going on and some RACING experience before undertaking such a big endeavor where you will be on the track with real fast RACERS would be prudent.
It is nothing like a freaking track day.
QuoteA six hour endurance race is a poor choice of venues to start racing. ÊThere is an awful lot of stuff going on and some RACING experience before undertaking such a big endeavor where you will be on the track with real fast RACERS would be prudent.
It is nothing like a freaking track day.
I've done a couple races. We're not going out there to play games. Games are off track, and the minute first call is made, the games are over. We're coming to race, win or lose, we don't care as long as DNF aren't by our names. To gain racing experiance, you have to show up to race, and that's exactly what we're doing. Running with super fast guys will be good for us. We're not afraid of passing or being passed in close quarters, so all it will do is make us faster. Real fast racers are good at passing, and we definetly not hold them up. They'll be more than able to pass cleanly and we willl hold our line. As some famous guy said one time:
"You have no chance to even win a war if you don't show up."
Nuff said. Good luck to everyone out there, and be safe. We'll be there running our fastest with safety in mind. I hope to learn alot from all of you.
8)
AM #35 and #669
;D
You won't be on the podium, so don't worry about that. 28's - 30's might not even get you on the lightweight podium at a 6 hour National; much less if you think you can actually keep that pace for 6 hours.
QuoteYou won't be on the podium, so don't worry about that. Ê28's - 30's might not even get you on the lightweight podium at a 6 hour National; much less if you think you can actually keep that pace for 6 hours.
What's the average lap time during a 6 hour then ??? 22's, 24's ???
The top teams from each class will typically only run 1-2 seconds slower than sprint pace. I'd just concentrate on finishing the race.
That's the plan. If we finish a 6 hour, we'll be in good shape. Are you entering that race Eddie?
Is this a WERA race? Man, you might be in over your head... I crewed with Team Vesrah a few years ago, and those endurance racers aren't playing around one bit!
No offense, but maybe the Fastrax enduro at Grattan would be a better choice. Or you could come down to Hallett. I'm going there for a 6-hour on the 17th.
I have 6 years racing experience, 8 regional championships and a fifth at Daytona. When I've been on track with some of those WERA and AMA pros, it's scared the living hell outta me!
E me for Hallett info if you want.
racerk3@aol.com
My team mate did the Fasttrax enduro at Grattan last month, and won :D I know it'll be rough, but we need the experiance. Plus, we both know the track very well. I've CW'd a 3 hour WERA event before, it was pretty neat. I don't have the time to really travel out of the state, so most of the races out of MI will be a no show for me. We'll see what happens, but thanks for the advice.
So Dan is FINALLY going to enter a race! 'Bout time. No more BS. ;D
I bought a quick-dump nozzle (5 gals/30 secs) from LP 3-4 years ago for about $180. It screws onto regular cans and fits stock gas caps. Well, at least Hondas and Suzukis.
QuoteSo Dan is FINALLY going to enter a race! Ê'Bout time. No more BS. Ê;D
I bought a quick-dump nozzle (5 gals/30 secs) from LP 3-4 years ago for about $180. ÊIt screws onto regular cans and fits stock gas caps. ÊWell, at least Hondas and Suzukis.
;D Yeah, you gonna be there? If you are, stop by for beer and assclownery ;D We's gonna have some racin', booze, fun, and food :D
FYI: I'll be the guy wearing a T-shirt with "F*** WERA" on the front :P
just kidding ;D Maybe ;)
Ah.. I'm in a silly mood today. :P Dunno why though ???
QuoteI bought a quick-dump nozzle (5 gals/30 secs) from LP 3-4 years ago for about $180. æIt screws onto regular cans and fits stock gas caps. æWell, at least Hondas and Suzukis.
Is this it ??? $224.95 EZ-FUEL System ???
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LP USA has a Dry Brake system for $479.40 This is the male and female adapter, part numbers: 211-0 and 211-1
What else do you need for the dry brake system other than the jug with the trigger ??? Also, LP doesn't sell the trigger jug from what I can see. So, how do you know the dry brake system and the jug will match up in size, other than measurments? I quit using the measurements for comparision because that doesn't guarantee a good fitment. It could still leak, and I don't wanna have to actually put out a fire.
Just trying to be safe about it and do it right.
$700.00 doesn't really seem all that bad for a complete system if you use it more than once in a while I guess :-/
QuoteIs this it ??? $224.95 EZ-FUEL System ???
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That's the one.
Still can't believe you're actually starting racing. ;D
Go for it Dan... You surely are one heck of a studly little feller ain't ya :)
QuoteStill can't believe you're actually starting racing. Ê;D
I've done a couple races before. Even won one of them 8) Hopefully Greenie will come to the races, cause if I only accomplish one thing, it'll be to place infront of him ;D He'd never live that one down. That thread will end up being 5032 pages long :P If he actually starts a race weekend without a problem ;D
P.S. Pass that along to Greenie for me would ya ;D
Almsot forgot - while I'm here - you sure you want run the Endurance? The actual for real laptimes are going to be on the internet where everyone can see them after all.
If you're serious make sure no one on the team is a PN - can't run the National stuff unless you're a full Novice.
I'm gonna enter some Sprint races too. Heavyweight Twins :D
QuoteAlmsot forgot - while I'm here - you sure you want run the Endurance? ÊThe actual for real laptimes are going to be on the internet where everyone can see them after all. Ê
If you're serious make sure no one on the team is a PN - can't run the National stuff unless you're a full Novice.
Thanks for the input. I don't care what the lap times on the internet say. I'll be happy to finish a full 6 hour race, with WERA's finest.
Neither myself or my teammate are PN. We both have valid CCS licenses, and I've had a race license with both CCS and Fasttrax (before CCS affiliation.)
I don't see why I would be a PN with WERA.
QuoteThanks for the input. ÊI don't care what the lap times on the internet say. ÊI'll be happy to finish a full 6 hour race, with WERA's finest.
Neither myself or my teammate are PN. ÊWe both have valid CCS licenses, and I've had a race license with both CCS and Fasttrax (before CCS affiliation.)
I don't see why I would be a PN with WERA.
and I have raced more than 2 weekends by the way.
QuoteNeither myself or my teammate are PN. We both have valid CCS licenses, and I've had a race license with both CCS and Fasttrax (before CCS affiliation.)
I don't see why I would be a PN with WERA.
Dan, that does not qualify you as a WERA full Novice I believe. You've better check into it just to be sure. Wouldn't want to show up with your teammate to end up not being able to race.
Here we go again.... ::) Sunny.... bah.. nevermind..
I have a Novice race license with CCS/Formula USA. I am not a provisional novice with CCS.
Furthermore, last year, I attended enough Fasttrax races to get a full Novice race license with Fasttrax. I wore the pumpkin shirt for 2 weekends, and then was granted a full race license.
This year, when I applied for my CCS race license, I was granted a full Novice status, and not PN in any way.
Therefore, I am not a PN. Not with CCS, Fasttrax, or WERA.
Am i understanding this correctly?
If I am a licensed CCS racer, with regular novice status, not PN, doesn't that transfer over to WERA also as a regular novice?
Dan, you are really a dumbass and open your mouth before you do any homework again.............. ;D
Read the WERA rulebook!!!!!!!!!
http://www.wera.com/pages/rulebook.htm#ch7
According to it, your CCS and Formula USA license won't even allow you to even race with WERA without purchasing WERA License! I didn't find anything about whether or not you can get a WERA full novice license just because you are a full novice with another race oprganization though. Again, I was trying to help you by saying to double check to just be on the sure side. Well, you are too stupid to learn anything for one................. ::) ;D
QuoteDan, you are really a dumbass and open your mouth before you do any homework again.............. æ ;D
Read the WERA rulebook!!!!!!!!!
http://www.wera.com/pages/rulebook.htm#ch7
According to it, your CCS and Formula USA license won't even allow you to even race with WERA without purchasing WERA License! æI didn't find anything about whether or not you can get a WERA full novice license just because you are a full novice with another race oprganization though. æAgain, I was trying to help you by saying to double check to just be on the sure side. æWell, you are too stupid to learn anything for one................. æ æ::) ;D
Sunny, .... nevermind. Don't get involved, please.
Well then, don't reply back with the tone that you want to "play" when I sincerely tried to help your dumbass. You are only as dumb as you made yourself, not how I make you look! ;D
Again, do some homework before you open your own mouth................ I am out of this thread unless you WANT me back in! Good luck with the endurance race if you are able to race at all! ::)
Dan, you never raced CCS or WERA. Sounds like PN to me as far as WERA is concerned. Check before you go.
QuoteFurthermore, last year, I attended enough Fasttrax races to get a full Novice race license with Fasttrax. I wore the pumpkin shirt for 2 weekends, and then was granted a full race license.
FastTrax? You haven't even raced yet ::)
BIG props if ya get on the podium ;)
QuoteFastTrax? ¾You haven't even raced yet ::)
www.fastone.com/FMCRRS99/03R8.pdf Page 4, 1st place SuperTwins Nov.
Page 5, 2nd place, GTI Novice
and hold on and let me dig thru results and I'll put up some more. Want to recant your statement ??? Again, I was a Novice last year with Fasttrax before Fasttrax and CCS became affiliates ;) Also, I am a full novice with Fasttrax, not a Provisional Novice. After the second weekend, the pumpkin shirt went by by.
Also, if you want to get technical, I also hold an AHRMA license, which I did last year thru STT.
QuoteWell then, don't reply back with the tone that you want to "play" when I sincerely tried to help your dumbass. ÊYou are only as dumb as you made yourself, not how I make you look! Ê ;D
Again, do some homework before you open your own mouth................ ÊI am out of this thread unless you WANT me back in! ÊGood luck with the endurance race if you are able to race at all! Ê ::)
Sunny, your not seeing the problem here... YOU ALWAYS ARE TRYING TO HELP. I did not ask for help, but thanks anyways. Remember, we went over this before last year ::) Want me to find the thread.
If I ever need your help Sunny, I promise I'll ask, but quit already unless I ask for it.
QuoteDan, you never raced CCS or WERA. ÊSounds like PN to me as far as WERA is concerned. ÊCheck before you go.
Honestly, I'm not worried about it. I have certificates from 5 different race schools at different times. I have last years Novice license from Fasttrax, this years Novice license from CCS/Formula USA, and an AHRMA license (not sure about that status, cause I never did a race with them.) I did enough weekends last year with Fasttrax to dump the PN status, and this year when I applied for a regular CCS Novice license, I wasn't considered a PN. So, we'll see. I don't see why I would fall under PN with WERA if I'm not PN with Fasttrax or CCS. Oh well, we'll see. I'll still be at the National Endurance one way or another. The only difference will be if I ride or or not. Either way, I'll definetly be there. Hopefully I can race. I should be able to.
Quotewww.fastone.com/FMCRRS99/03R8.pdf Page 4, 1st place SuperTwins Nov.
Page 5, 2nd place, GTI Novice
and hold on and let me dig thru results and I'll put up some more.
Want to recant your statement ???
Nope!
Good luck on your first race weekend at the 6hr ;D ;)
QuoteNope! Ê
Good luck on your first race weekend at the 6hr ;D ;)
Thanks. You gonna be there? Stop by for beer ;D
QuoteThanks. You gonna be there? Stop by for beer ;D
I don't race, Bro...I'm a Stunt-rider...
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...and Stunners can't race ::) ;D
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I'd say have fun @ WERA 6hr....but, you already will :D ;)
:o Can you teach me how to do a wheelie like that :'(
Endurance racing is about laps. 'Bout it. Anything can happen. Yeah, you can have fast riders and lots of prep...sometimes things happen.
Still it will be hard.
I've got one of those LP screw in things. It's ok. Not the greatest, but it was good. Still have it. Thinking about selling it. $100?
Screws into a Jazz Jug...I've got one 5gal jug that it doesn't work on. Seems that the threads are different.
Drop me a note.... ;D
Go for it, Dan.
We should start a betting pool! ;D
1. Will someone run into Dan from behind due to speed difference? ::)
2. On which lap?
3. Will Dan admit the real slow lap time recorded on the mylaps.com are his, not his teammate's? ::)
4. Will Dan be black flagged for riding too slowly on the track by the official for the sack of other racer's safety before he got nailed from behind? ;D
5. Will Dan be able to race at all? ::)
QuoteWe should start a betting pool! Ê ;D
1. Will someone run into Dan from behind due to speed difference? Ê ::)
2. On which lap?
3. Will Dan admit the real slow lap time recorded on the mylaps.com are his, not his teammate's? Ê ::)
4. Will Dan be black flagged for riding too slowly on the track by the official for the sack of other racer's safety before he got nailed from behind? Ê ;D
5. Will Dan be able to race at all? Ê ::)
Sunny, your at the point of being on my sh@t list, which means being totally ignored. >:(
QuoteEndurance racing is about laps. Ê'Bout it. ÊAnything can happen. ÊYeah, you can have fast riders and lots of prep...sometimes things happen.
Still it will be hard.
I've got one of those LP screw in things. ÊIt's ok. ÊNot the greatest, but it was good. ÊStill have it. ÊThinking about selling it. Ê$100?
Screws into a Jazz Jug...I've got one 5gal jug that it doesn't work on. ÊSeems that the threads are different.
Drop me a note.... ;D
Go for it, Dan.
SOLD ! Email me with the payment details.
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QuoteEndurance racing is about laps. Ê'Bout it. ÊAnything can happen. ÊYeah, you can have fast riders and lots of prep...sometimes things happen.
Still it will be hard.
I've got one of those LP screw in things. ÊIt's ok. ÊNot the greatest, but it was good. ÊStill have it. ÊThinking about selling it. Ê$100?
Screws into a Jazz Jug...I've got one 5gal jug that it doesn't work on. ÊSeems that the threads are different.
Drop me a note.... ;D
Go for it, Dan.
I"m definetly doing this race, and I've got the licensing approvals I needed to run it, so I"m definetly in. Dave, any recommendations to help the 6 hours run a little smoother? Like pace, ect.? Obviously, nobody can run the whole 6 hours at their fastest pace, so should you start a slower pace up front, when the green flag drops, then save your fastest laps for the last hour or so.. ??? Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Sunny, I don't want any answer on this from you.
QuoteSunny, your at the point of being on my sh@t list, which means being totally ignored. >:(
After what you did to me? ??? This is a surprise after all the B.S. you have come up with so far............. ::) ;D
QuoteSunny, I don't want any answer on this from you.
Sorry, no can do.......... ;D You are going to get some from me no matter what! ::) I learnt not to shut up from you! ;D I'll stay off if you stop BS'ing............ ::)
Sounds like you're gettin some ass tonight dan, whether you like it or not
Ryan, good luck with the endurance race with Dan! ;)
I'm not gonna do it with him.. I think he's gonna run it himself...
Go Iron Butt..
I'll put a projection screen out there with some gay Anime porn for ya, ta' keep ya goin' ...
;D ;D
QuoteDave, any recommendations to help the 6 hours run a little smoother? Like pace, ect.? Obviously, nobody can run the whole 6 hours at their fastest pace, so should you start a slower pace up front, when the green flag drops, then save your fastest laps for the last hour or so.. ??? Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Simple is always good.
Start drinking water now. I like to go out feeling like I gotta pee. My body will absorb it later as I get hot.
I like bikes to be easy to ride. That's a key. If it isn't, it will be a long ride. You can't ride at 100% as your brain gets taxed. I figure 90% or so; fast enough that I can entertain myself by waving at people, looking for pit signals, etc.
Get a dry erase board for signals. Signals of any kind are good. Really, it just needs to be some kind of entertainment for the rider. Pictures, obsenities, etc. are good.
Play games. Anything to entertain yourself.
Use others. Let them push wind for you. Follow them; it allows you to rest your mind a bit while they think about what's happening while you just read the back of their leathers for a bit. You'll watch their mistakes, see their tires go off, etc.
At certain times, I'll just go out and blast a few good laps to use a different part of the tire to manage the wear a bit.
Oh, and if it's really hot...I might not ever tuck up on any straight. Staying cool is very important.
Hope this helps...you've got an e-mail about the fuel thing.
QuoteI'm not gonna do it with him.. Ê ÊI think he's gonna run it himself...
Go Iron Butt..
I'll put a projection screen out there with some gay Anime porn for ya, ta' keep ya goin' ...
;D ;D
Shuddup ;D
That's true...
might distract you too much..