Or am I going to come home with all the trophies?
I guess you are...
Our next date should be the BFR date in July.
Dawn :)
I'm thinking about maybe running up there for the day tomorrow. I haven't registered for anything but my stuff's still packed so I might as well get off my lazy butt and go from the last row. I need to find a schedule online first...
:-/
Oops, scratch that. From Fastrax website it looks like 3 hour endurance tomorrow and Sprints on Sunday. Why doesn't CCS post a schedule??
I guess I'll sleep in.
I'll be up there June 28 & 29 for trackdays, but that's probably not what you meant. ;D
No trophies. :-/ ;)
Mike Roeser and I are planning on heading up there tonight to run the endurance tomorrow. As of right now, it's depending on the weather. If it's going to rain, we're not going. No reason to risk crashing and hurting myself if we're just going there for fun.
Do you know if there's going to be a Michelin and Dunlop guy out there? Mike forgot to ask when he called yesterday... and we're waiting to hear back from them this morning. No tire guy = no Grattan, as neither Mike nor myself have anything to run on.
I was told that there will be a tire guy there tomorrow. I would have to think so, given that most people will put new rubber on for the endurance race.
Weather looks good. No rain until later in the evening supposedly ..
Mitch Stein will be there with Dunlops.
I won't be there. :'( :'( :'(
Was supposed to go, but now, no.
Well, if you didn't come, you didn't miss too much. It was an "okay" weekend, but nothing special. I never realized how much I depend on and like all you clowns, until I got to a track and knew like 1 person (vaguely)... Definitely out of my element there.
I didn't do too bad for my first time at the track. Nothing spectacular. Got spanked by the locals, but that was expected. Don't know that I'll ever go back though unless they repave it. It was like racing over a million beer cans covered with tar, and every 12th can you hit would spit beer on the track... The surface is inexcusably terrible. The facilities are nice, viewing is spectacular, layout is great but I'd condemn the joint on the poor surface alone...
Full race report pending...
Oh yeah, in case you were expecting a Fasttrax/CCS relationship at any events, cancel your expectations. "F*** you Bob, I'm leaving and I'll NEVER return. Goodbye" - Bill Furhman to Bob Stanley.
QuoteOh yeah, in case you were expecting a Fasttrax/CCS relationship at any events, cancel your expectations. "F*** you Bob, I'm leaving and I'll NEVER return. Goodbye" - Bill Furhman to Bob Stanley.
Ooooo. Sounds promising. When can we expect grandchildren? :o ;)
I think this quote was a little uncalled for to be posted on the board.
CCS is only an affiliate with Fasttrax. We were there to the run the computers as they have no one. Yes things did get a little heated but if you were not at Nelson Ledges and if you new the situation from Saturday and Sunday at Grattan you would have agreed. You can only put up with someone back stabbing CCS and putting down our riders for so long.
By the way, it is Bill Fehrman.
Quote of the weekend
"I am God here and if you don't like it leave" Bob Stanely.
What a joke!!! Is this not a customer service related business....as in we are the customers (paying individuals) and he is the business?
Does CCS treat all their racers this way or is it just Bob Stanley?
Amy, I guess it would be pointless for me to remove the quote now since it's been quoted in other messages in this thread.
I am not blaming anyone here and I'm not taking sides. I know the situation pretty well from Sat/Sun as I talked to both Bob & Bill at length about it. I apologize if you or anyone else takes this as disparaging against CCS, Bill, Bob, or anyone else involved because that wasn't the intention. I was simply stating that I don't believe CCS will go back based on what I heard/experienced. I'm not saying anyone is right/wrong/otherwise.
I will however, thank you and your co-workers for hanging out and posting results after the melee.
Again, I'm not saying CCS or Fasttrax is wrong. I'm just saying that I doubt the two will continue to do business together.
Apologies if anyone misconstrued my statements (and Sorry for the name misspell)
I think Bob Stanley is affiliated with Fasttrax, not CCS. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Is it just me or is the server for the forum slow this morning? :(
Yes. Bob Stanley is the Kevin Elliott of Fasttrax
Bob Stanley runs the Fasttrax region. CCS is affilated with him so that he would run the Great Lakes region next year so there would be possibly a couple new tracks.
Wow. Well, sorry to hear you had a bad experiance Jeff. Don't let it keep you away from future events. Your more than welcome to pit with us at the next round. Grattan is definetly a challenging track, but I'm not aware of any changes in the tracks surface, or anything different from last season :-/ Where'd you find the track really rough at (surface)? I haven't been there this year yet, but I'll be there this weekend. All the people I've talked to say that nothing has really changed since last year.
I'm not commenting on the Bob Stanley situation. I have nothing nice to say about anything, so I'm not even going there :-/
I didn't really have a "bad" experience per-se, but was rather totally out of my element, not having the normal 200 support people that we "always" see.
Where is the track rough? Hell, is there 20 feet that aren't rough?!? The straight & T1 were great. Well, except for the water coming up through the cracks in the pavement in T1. Everywhere else for the most part was just rough as heck. I.e., that whole back section through T9, I couldn't get on the gas because either the front or the back would start walking because of the bumps. T2 is also terrible, exit of 4, exit of 8, entrance to 11, exit of 12...
The most trouble spots were the section of 9, and then back onto the straight. Onto the straight, I shortshifted and kept my knee over the grass. I did find a smooth line there, but the speed carried me across the bumps and that REALLY upsets the front end of the bike (read - slapper fears) every lap...
Dunno... If CCS did a weekend there and we had a GOOD turnout I'd probably return.
Jeff, I think Blackhawk has us spoiled.
QuoteJeff, I think Blackhawk has us spoiled.
I never would have expected to hear that 2 years ago. ;D :o
cornercamping,
I don't think you understood Jeff. This was his first time, not his first time this year. If he says the track is poor, it's his opinion of the current condition, not a measure of the deterioration of the surface. I think in the last year and half, the only poor surfaces we've ridden have been HPT, Road America and Gingerman, everywhere else has been in very good, if not top shape.
So what happened on Sunday that is causing these posts?
We left Sunday AM, didn't run sprints on Sunday.
I know there was some confusion or something when it came time to tally up all the endurance results on Sat. What happened Sunday?
I thought the track surface was fine, but the bump,dip in t12 coming on to the straight would upset you preety good if you didn't take the turn wide.
My only *itch: Saturday morning in practice my F4i motor blew (big hole in lower case, broken rod, ugly) I was on fire down the front straight, pulled of on the access road. The 1st fire ext. the corner work had didn't work!!!! I was forced to watch the flames get bigger until the 2nd fire ext, made it over to me. But hey I'm fine, bikes not a total loss, so I can't *itch too much.
Jeff, thats you with the white Woody trailer and black van right? I was going to come down and say hey, but didn't have time be fore we rolled out. Never met, just seen you and your stuff out and around on the boards.
Ah, o.k. Well, yeah, our tracks (MI) aren't the best of surfaces. I went to Jennings over the winter and was amazed how smooth the surface is. Now, I did one track day last year at Nelson's and refused to go back because how bad it actually was. I heard they repaved it and cleaned it up, so we'll see. I'll do a track day there and go from there. :-/
QuoteWhere is the track rough? ÊHell, is there 20 feet that aren't rough?!? ÊThe straight & T1 were great. ÊWell, except for the water coming up through the cracks in the pavement in T1. ÊEverywhere else for the most part was just rough as heck. ÊI.e., that whole back section through T9, I couldn't get on the gas because either the front or the back would start walking because of the bumps. ÊT2 is also terrible, exit of 4, exit of 8, entrance to 11, exit of 12...
The most trouble spots were the section of 9, and then back onto the straight. ÊOnto the straight, I shortshifted and kept my knee over the grass. ÊI did find a smooth line there, but the speed carried me across the bumps and that REALLY upsets the front end of the bike (read - slapper fears) every lap...
This is what makes the track fun ;D :P
QuoteI thought the track surface was fine, but the bump,dip in t12 coming on to the straight would upset you preety good if you didn't take the turn wide.
The bump going into turn 10b (inside of turn) is what your referring to right ???
I've learned, regardless if it's right or wrong, to actually use the bump to get more speed thru the turn. The bump seems to keep me from running wide for some reason. Never really had a problem with the bump. I just get on the gas, and stay on it. Dunno though ??? How many times have you been to Grattan?
QuoteI haven't been there this year yet, but I'll be there this weekend.
I thought you said you wouldn't have any free time till July................. ::) ;D
QuoteSo what happened on Sunday that is causing these posts?
We left Sunday AM, didn't run sprints on Sunday.
I know there was some confusion or something when it came time to tally up all the endurance results on Sat. What happened Sunday?
There were conflicts of power/thought/procedure..
QuoteI thought the track surface was fine, but the bump,dip in t12 coming on to the straight would upset you preety good if you didn't take the turn wide.
My only *itch: Saturday morning in practice my F4i motor blew (big hole in lower case, broken rod, ugly) I was on fire down the front straight, pulled of on the access road. The 1st fire ext. the corner work had didn't work!!!! I was forced to watch the flames get bigger until the 2nd fire ext, made it over to me. But hey I'm fine, bikes not a total loss, so I can't *itch too much.
Jeff, thats you with the white Woody trailer and black van right? I was going to come down and say hey, but didn't have time be fore we rolled out. Never met, just seen you and your stuff out and around on the boards.
Yes, that was me & my trailer.
LOL... you have a new name... You shall henceforth be known as CBR-B-QUE
I think I have a bottom end if you need it. I'll check. I saw the carnage of your bike. The same thing happened to me at Road A last year, but mine went through the top and the fire was much smaller...
QuoteI didn't really have a "bad" experience per-se, but was rather totally out of my element, not having the normal 200 support people that we "always" see.
Where is the track rough? Hell, is there 20 feet that aren't rough?!? The straight & T1 were great. Well, except for the water coming up through the cracks in the pavement in T1. Everywhere else for the most part was just rough as heck. I.e., that whole back section through T9, I couldn't get on the gas because either the front or the back would start walking because of the bumps. T2 is also terrible, exit of 4, exit of 8, entrance to 11, exit of 12...
The most trouble spots were the section of 9, and then back onto the straight. Onto the straight, I shortshifted and kept my knee over the grass. I did find a smooth line there, but the speed carried me across the bumps and that REALLY upsets the front end of the bike (read - slapper fears) every lap...
Dunno... If CCS did a weekend there and we had a GOOD turnout I'd probably return.
Grattan's fine. It's nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. The track is bumpy, but nowhere near as bad as Nelson was last year. You also were running the wrong line in a lot of spots. Once you get more laps around the track, you'll find that the correct line avoid the bumps (the sweeper and turn 9 as prime examples).
If you're used to racing at tracks like Barber and Blackhawk, you better hike your skirt up next time you come to Grattan. ;D
BTW, what was the problem on Sunday? I agree with some of what you said about the Fasttrax endurance organization on Saturday, but I didn't stay for Sunday.
QuoteI did find a smooth line there, but the speed carried me across the bumps and that REALLY upsets the front end of the bike (read - slapper fears) every lap...
Sounds like a suspension set-up issue........... Call Keith at Superbike Specialties to get your suspension look at and dial in!
Keith Thompson
Superbike Specialties
Address: 33701 Cherry Hill Rd, Westland, MI 48186
Phone: (734) 467-8700
One thing about Grattan, and I'm not a pro, but I did learn something at one of the hundreds of track days I've done there. The section between turn 8 (the bowl) and turn 9 (the bus stop), I've learned to fly thru there, and that is a place you can make up some major time. Alot of people don't realize how fast you can actually go thru that section. You just get on the gas and stay on it. It seems that your gonna run out of track, but you won't. I dropped 5 full seconds off my lap time after I learned how to properly go thru that section. You just have to hammer on the brakes going into 9. That's the tricky part, because your shooting wide to go thru 9. Another one is the S section going into 6/7. One you hit the jump, just tap the rear brake to settle the chassis, but you don't really have to get on the brakes hard to go thru the S section. Just coast right thru it. Hitting the back brake after the jump settles the chassis, so it's a smooth transition thru the S's.
I don't know, I'm not fast as hell. Just sharing some info. I've learned from some really fast guys, one of who runs a 1:20 flat around Grattan, which is smoking. I believe Tray Batey holds the record still at a 1:19 something.
QuoteSounds like a suspension set-up issue...........
Maybe he can hook you up with the patented anti tuck front end!
Quotehundreds of track days I've done there.
Dan, should you modify that before someone starts a fire around you............... ::) ;D
QuoteDan, should you modify that before someone starts a fire around you............... ::) ;D
So true!
Not to mention, what are you talking about using the rear brake over the jump???? Are you trying to get the first time Grattan guys to crash their brains out? 5 seconds in the sweeper? Are you sure about that?
Sunny is right. Keith Thompson is the man when it comes to suspension. I"ve never been any happier, and he is one of 2 people I would let touch any of my bikes, especially the "special" bikes I've had or have. Keith is local, an Ohlins Certified Track Side Support Tech, and also a good guy. He makes sure your happy as a customer, and if not, he'll do what it takes to keep you happy. Many of times he's gone back over and over bikes to get the suspension "right" for the person riding it. Everyone knows suspension is trial and error sometimes, and for what it costs, Keith will hook it up awesome.
Sunny, i'm not racing till July. I'll be at grattan this weekend, and also Monday for LED. I gotta get the new bike set up for racing still, and with 2 miles on the ODO, the motor isn't really ready to beat on. I gotta put atleast 200 miles on it before I start bouncing her off the limiter ;) ;D
Yeah, 10b inside line dip. I never could count very well.
1st time at Grattan, had fun other than the CBR-B-QUE.
And yeah the 2nd stream of water in turn one kinda sucked.
QuoteMaybe he can hook you up with the patented anti tuck front end!
Is that like having curb feelers attached to your forks so you know when your leaning to the limit ???
LMAO... Sunny, what did you get into now :D LMAO....
QuoteI'll be at grattan this weekend, and also Monday for LED.
I think I'll be signing up for the July 5th LED event as well. I'll see you there! ;)
QuoteLMAO... Sunny, what did you get into now :D LMAO....
You have no idea............. All I can say is plenty of racers with expect status think they definitely know everything they are talking about compared to a novice................... ?::) ;D
QuoteSo true!
Not to mention, what are you talking about using the rear brake over the jump???? Ê ÊAre you trying to get the first time Grattan guys to crash their brains out? Ê5 seconds in the sweeper? ÊAre you sure about that?
No, not trying to get someone to crash. I wouldn't do something like that. I'm just saying what I learned from some really fast guys. As far as 5 seconds, yup 5 seconds, but I was running a 1:36-1:38 back then, so 5 seconds isn't like 1 second when running low 20's in that respect. 5 seconds isn't major in a lap time when running high 1:38's.
I can tell everyone one thing, I'm no superstar, and I do what works for me. I'm the last guy that you'll wanna follow around the race track. I"ve learned alot from a lot of fast guys. Some I've tried, some I don't. Regardless, I'll tell you what I've learned, and if you feel like trying it, it's all you. I don't do anything mechanical, so don't ask where the fulx capacitor is, because I have no clue ;) :P I know where the shifter is, clutch lever, start button, key, and stop button is. That's it.
QuoteYou have no idea............. All I can say is plenty of racers with expect status think they definitely know everything they are talking about compared to a novice................... ?::) ;D
Just don't ask Sunny where babies come from ;) :P
QuoteNo, not trying to get someone to crash. I wouldn't do something like that. I'm just saying what I learned from some really fast guys. As far as 5 seconds, yup 5 seconds, but I was running a 1:36-1:38 back then, so 5 seconds isn't like 1 second when running low 20's in that respect. 5 seconds isn't major in a lap time when running high 1:38's.
Dan,
Using the rear brake over the jump will get you to crash, so if I were you I wouldn't recommend using it. No matter how fast or Slow you are talking 5 seconds in the sweeper seems a little much.
Hmm.. riding a twin, this is what I do.
Go thru the down hill, and once I get out of it, lay on the gas. Once I hit the jump, and I get the feeling like "I got air" and the bike lands, I just tap the back brake for a second, and go thru the sweeper. I rarely touch the front brake and use all engine braking to go thru the sweeper. I was told that touching the back brake after the jump, settles the chassis for the sweeper. As far as the back, when I first started riding at Grattan I use to be afraid to leave 3rd gear. I now just go thru the gears, and get on the brakes hard while shooting wide for the bus stop. I dunno, seems to work for me. Didn't end up on my head at all, so I was happy. Got a better trick. I"d be willing to try it providing it's not something that is meant to make me end up sitting around shooting the crap with Harry ;D I'm always eager to learn. After all, any tricks you teach me, will only help on making Sunny walk around calling me "Daddy" after I win this bet we have going. 0 And, of course, I'll be making him call me Daddy infront of everyone. ;D
I can see it now. Sunny's first Podium win, when he makes his speech:
"I like to tank Dan, my daddy..."
;D :P Sorry sunny, but you know I gotta give you hell ;) Now same my name b..... :P
T5 was awesome. I played with it a lot and I ended up being fastest through there when I didn't touch the brakes, but let off on the way up the jump and caught a downshift on the way down.
The bump in 10a didn't bother me much. But T12, all the way across the track, coming onto the straight is rough as heck, and you're super hard on the gas there. Combine that with straightening the bike up (which generally has slight force on the bars which is BAD) and it upsets the front.
Suspension.. I learned early on that I could ride or tune. I chose to ride. I don't generally do my own suspension work. I pay professionals to think about this for me (although, I do make small changes). Yes, slight changes could have affected it but again, the lines I was running were most likely not the most ideal ones. Again, an experience issue at the track.
My goal for the weekend was to stay upright and break into the high 20's. I did stay upright, but had 3 laps that were .01 seconds off my other goal... And I don't know what to base my time on. Are 1:30.01's respectable for a newbie there?
Nowhere near as bad as I made it out to be?!? Take a picture of the track. Notice how it looks like a bad patchwork quilt? See the multi-color veins everywhere? The thing is horrible... And what do I base this against? Blackhawk (old and new), Gingerman, Gateway, Road America and Summit Point... But I guess this could just be my interpretation of it...
QuoteI think I'll be signing up for the July 5th LED event as well. ÊI'll see you there! Ê ;)
Great. Just stay away from my bike there Mr. Goodwrench ;) I like my brakes ;) ;D :P
Yeah Dan, talk all you want, just make sure you bring cash to the July 5th LED event because I will be winning that! ;D
QuoteÊAre 1:30.01's respectable for a newbie there? Ê
:o Are you kidding ??? You know how many people have a hard time breaking the 1:35's. 1:30 in a Fasttrax race as a novice will get you a podium all day. Last twins race at Grattan Fasttrax I believe the fastest time was like 1:34's for the novices.
QuoteYeah Dan, talk all you want, just make sure you bring cash to the July 5th LED event because I will be winning that! Ê ;D
I will. Just make sure you get your ass back from the WERA board so I can take it ;) ;D
Quote Are 1:30.01's respectable for a newbie there?
I believe that is a very decent lap time for a newbie at Grattan. In fact, awesome! I believe the real fast 600 guys lap around 1:24's with the average around 1:27s'. That's is if the track is completely dry.
QuoteLast twins race at Grattan Fasttrax I believe the fastest time was like 1:34's for the novices.
Dan, they weren't racing, they were criusing! ;D
QuoteDan, they weren't racing, they were criusing! Ê ;D
What are you talking about. Last time I looked at your lap times... can you say SCHOOL GROUP ::)
QuoteWhat are you talking about. Last time I looked at your lap times... can you say SCHOOL GROUP ::)
Really?!?!?! From what I rememberd, I am still faster than you on my 400 with you on the big Italian V-twin at both Grattan and Gingerman, and I basically pass yo on will! :o ;D
Okay cool. So you guys made me feel a little better... At least I wasn't running totally laughable times.
QuoteReally?!?!?! ÊFrom what I rememberd, I am still faster than you on my 400 with you on the big Italian V-twin at both Grattan and Gingerman, and I basically pass yo on will! Ê :o ;D
We'll see. If you pass me this year, at all, I'm selling my house, and using the money to get private lessons from Rossi himself 8) ;D
QuoteOkay cool. ÊSo you guys made me feel a little better... ÊAt least I wasn't running totally laughable times.
Bah, if that was your first time at Grattan, and you ran a 1:30, your doing awesome. Go to mylaps.com and look what the WERA boys ran in the same class. I think first was like 1:28/1:29's for novice. 1:30 kicks butt, especially on your first time out at Grattan :o
I spent thousands of $ on trackdays at that track just to get to 1:35's near the end of the season. I did every single STT day at Grattan, and started the season running 1:40's and taking school, after school, after school... :-[
I wasn't running novice, I was running expert... But a novice that knows the track will most likely walk all over an expert that doesn't, especially on a track as complex a Grattan...
QuoteOkay cool. So you guys made me feel a little better... At least I wasn't running totally laughable times.
Not at all, I am pretty sure you were actually passing some racers riding that kind of lap time!
QuoteWe'll see. If you pass me this year, at all, I'm selling my house, and using the money to get private lessons from Rossi himself 8) ;D
Can I say.................you don't have a prayer!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Quote I did every single STT day at Grattan, and started the season running 1:40's and taking school, after school, after school... :-[
I believe you mean 2:00!!!!!! Then you slowly quicken to just under 1:50's.............. ::) ;D
QuoteI believe you mean 2:00!!!!!! ÊThen you slowly quicken to just under 1:50's.............. Ê ::) ;D
Right, but at the end of the year, I was right on your ass, and I would've passed ya, but hey, you got a nice ass. ;D :-*
This year, I'm taking that ass ;)
QuoteI wasn't running novice, I was running expert... ÊBut a novice that knows the track will most likely walk all over an expert that doesn't, especially on a track as complex a Grattan...
regardless, 1:30's is still an awesome time for a newbie (Grattan 1st timer) on that track. 8)
QuoteRight, but at the end of the year, I was right on your ass, and I would've passed ya, but hey, you got a nice ass. ;D :-*
This year, I'm taking that ass ;)
Really?!?!?!?!? I definitely passed you on will............ ;D Anyway, just messing with you! We'll see how much you had improved since last year on July 5th! ;) I may actually ride the R6 instead of the Honda 400 if you got enough corner speed for me to catch up after the long straight! ;D
QuoteReally?!?!?!?!? ÊI definitely passed you on will............ Ê ;D ÊAnyway, just messing with you! ÊWe'll see how much you had improved since last year on July 5th! Ê ;) ÊI may actually ride the R6 instead of the Honda 400 if you got enough corner speed for me to catch up after the long straight! Ê ;D
R6 ??? Where'd you get an R6 at ??? Don't tell me you actually opened that wallet of yours and bought a new bike :o
Uhm Sunny.. you may wanna get something with more HP so you have a better chance of catching up to me on the straight. ::) My new bike has 1?9 HP on tap.
? = I'm not telling you :-*
;D
QuoteRight, but at the end of the year, I was right on your ass, and I would've passed ya, but hey, you got a nice ass. ;D :-*
This year, I'm taking that ass ;)
Now are you trying to get me to say something here?
Dawn ;)
QuoteNow are you trying to get me to say something here?
Dawn Ê ;)
Nope, but trust me Dawn, everyone on the paddock will tell you that Sunny has a nice ass. Just stating the facts ;D
:-X
Dan, I bought a race preped R6 for Ryan as his ex is beyond what I would repair for him and have him go out on with confidence. Ryan supposed to pay me back when he had the money, so technically I own the R6 until then. Ryan will be riding it for the first in this STT LED event on July 5th. It's mostly likely that I'll ride it for at least one session as well.
In case you miss the point. I am not worry about lossing to you on the straight as I have on my 400 and you on the Mille R. I usually catch up and pass you as we set up for turn 2, or else, I'll just take you back before we lean for turn 5! The difference between us is corner speed! How you supposed I pass you all the time on a 400 that has less than half the HP and torque of your bike? ;D
QuoteNope, but trust me Dawn, everyone on the paddock will tell you that Sunny has a nice ass. Just stating the facts ;D
:-X
Dan, stop giving away my secret!!!!!!!!! ;D
QuoteDan, I bought a race preped R6 for Ryan as his ex is beyond what I would repair for him and have him go out on with confidence. ÊRyan supposed to pay me back when he had the money, so technically I own the R6 until then. ÊRyan will be riding it for the first in this STT LED event on July 5th. ÊIt's mostly likely that I'll ride it for at least one session as well.
In case you miss the point. ÊI am not worry about lossing to you on the straight as I have on my 400 and you on the Mille R. ÊI usually catch up and pass you as we set up for turn 2, or else, I'll just take you back before we lean for turn 5! ÊThe difference between us is corner speed! ÊHow you supposed I pass you all the time on a 400 that has less than half the HP and torque of your bike? Ê ;D
Wanna buy me a Petronas FP1 and I'll pay you back ::) You can ride it, but don't drop it like you did my 748 >:( ::) ;D That's cool. Now, you just have to learn what having some HP behind you is like, instead of a tinker toy.
Sunny, I'm gonna show you cornerspeed. You'll see Monday. ;)
You still want that Arai, or did you already get one ???
QuoteDan, I bought a race preped R6 for Ryan as his ex is beyond what I would repair for him and have him go out on with confidence. Ryan supposed to pay me back when he had the money, so technically I own the R6 until then. Ryan will be riding it for the first in this STT LED event on July 5th. It's mostly likely that I'll ride it for at least one session as well.
In case you miss the point. I am not worry about lossing to you on the straight as I have on my 400 and you on the Mille R. I usually catch up and pass you as we set up for turn 2, or else, I'll just take you back before we lean for turn 5! The difference between us is corner speed! How you supposed I pass you all the time on a 400 that has less than half the HP and torque of your bike? ;D
That's it! I'm riding Bonnies R6 and gonna SPANK the shit outta BOTH of you!
Now settle down kids before we get jicked off another BBS!!
;)
QuoteThat's it! I'm riding Bonnies R6 and gonna SPANK the shit outta BOTH of you!
Now settle down kids before we get jicked off another BBS!!
;)
See what you did now Sunny. Now we gotta lose to the old man on purpose just so we're respectful and he doesn't quit riding cause he's over the hill (for the 2nd time) >:( :o ;D :P
Hey Monte, how's it goin'? ;D
Don't mind Monte! ;D He's just looking out for us! ;) He probably thought that we are fighting which we are not! ;D
He is probably faster than us thought with the amount of tracktime he's got. I've never race against him on similar powered bike before, so it's hard to say.......... Will see if he can hang with Ryan on R6.............. ;D
Arrggh >:(
Dan, visit the Grattan website http://www.grattanraceway.com/thetrack.html. They've renumbered the corners. There's no longer a 10a and 10b. The bus stop/hairpin is now turn 10.
Ya gotta know what time it is Holmes 8). Otherwise you're just conmfusing everyone with you earlier posts.
Peace. Out
H-man
Patiently waiting my six pack of Guiness or Bass Ale from Dan ;)
WTF ??? >:(
Does that void our bet ???
Just kidding ;D :P
Damn, now I gotta try and remember it all again. It took long enough learning to count to ten the first time. Now I gotta go to 12 >:(
:P
QuoteT5 was awesome. I played with it a lot and I ended up being fastest through there when I didn't touch the brakes, but let off on the way up the jump and caught a downshift on the way down.
The bump in 10a didn't bother me much. But T12, all the way across the track, coming onto the straight is rough as heck, and you're super hard on the gas there.
Damn Dan! >:(
Now you got my boy JeF4y mixed up. He's using a mix of the old and the new corner numbers. He can't explain where the hell he is on the track. ;D
BTW Jeff, 1:30 laps in the wet, first time at Grattan and not knowing the lines is DAMN GOOD! Way to be!
H.
QuoteDamn Dan! >:(
Now you got my boy JeF4y mixed up. Ê He's using a mix of the old and the new corner numbers. ÊHe can't explain where the hell he is on the track. ;D
BTW Jeff, 1:30 laps in the wet, first time at Grattan and not knowing the lines is DAMN GOOD! ÊWay to be!
ÊH.
Sorry, but at the last 34 track days I did, there were only 10 turns, kinda, I think. You know what I mean. They only had it numbered up to 10 ;D :P Never did figure out the a/b thing though ???
Don't matter for out bet though. They can label them 1001, 1002 for all I care, your still gonna lose the bet ;) ;D 8)
I'm really looking forward to getting soem seat time in with you guys! All work and no play makes Monte a dull boy!
I pick up the 2004 RSV this weekend at Barber and the RS-250 is almost back in action after I treated it like a rented tux on prom night!
You guys are riding on teh 5th at Grattan, correct?
Should we run backwards for a session or two?
QuoteDamn Dan! >:(
Now you got my boy JeF4y mixed up. He's using a mix of the old and the new corner numbers. He can't explain where the hell he is on the track. ;D
H.
LOL... I tried to use all the new corner numbers since I don't know any of the old ones. I was referring to the right hander right after the jump. That is T5 right?
The jump is T5.
The esses are T6.
The bowl is T7.
The sweeper is the sweeper (T8 ).
The hairpin is T9.
The right after the hairpin is 10A.
The left onto the straight is 10B.
The numbers stay the same when running CCW (you don't switch them, so 10B is in effect "turn 1")
QuoteI'm really looking forward to getting soem seat time in with you guys! All work and no play makes Monte a dull boy!
I pick up the 2004 RSV this weekend at Barber and the RS-250 is almost back in action after I treated it like a rented tux on prom night!
You guys are riding on teh 5th at Grattan, correct?
Should we run backwards for a session or two?
Another RSV? I thought you just sold your ex........... Anyway, good to hear that you will be getting your RS250 back soon! Yes, I'll be at Grattan riding with you on July 5th! ;)
Backward please! You'll need to show me the line you used though! ;)
QuoteAnother RSV? I thought you just sold your ex........... Anyway, good to hear that you will be getting your RS250 back soon! Yes, I'll be at Grattan riding with you on July 5th! ;)
Backward please! You'll need to show me the line you used though! ;)
I returned the 2002 Mille after two seasons that Jeff Botrel now rides (and quite well I might ad) on track days.
While we are at Daytona doing street demos some pinhead grabbed a HUGE handful of front brake and crashed a brand new (>500 miles) 2004 RSV. It was hurt too bad to be returned to street trim and just bad enough to be a track only bike! So being the oportunist that I am, I snagged it. We put Sharkskinz on it, OZ wheels and a "few" other odds and ins. Todd Ross from Lighning Motorsports in Port Saint Lucie Florida (Shameless Plug there!!!) did all the work and it's sweet! I can;t wait to ride it!!
Monte
Sweet! I rather you be riding your RS250 with that monster engine kit (hopefully you worked out the problem/s) to show me the line though! ;)
QuoteI'm really looking forward to getting soem seat time in with you guys! All work and no play makes Monte a dull boy!
I pick up the 2004 RSV this weekend at Barber and the RS-250 is almost back in action after I treated it like a rented tux on prom night!
You guys are riding on teh 5th at Grattan, correct?
Should we run backwards for a session or two?
Monte,
A lot of us will be using the 5th to tune up for the WERA national on the 16th. Please don't confuse us with too many sessions counter......maybe 1 or 2 after lunch.
PS I have a business opportunity for you. Call McCracken he has my number.
QuoteMonte,
A lot of us will be using the 5th to tune up for the WERA national on the 16th. Please don't confuse us with too many sessions counter......maybe 1 or 2 after lunch.
PS I have a business opportunity for you. Call McCracken he has my number.
Call me now at 419.351.0084
We'll not run any "backwards sessions" since you asked. I don't want to confuse anyone! Need teh local boys to stay sharp and kick some butt!!
QuoteCall me now at 419.351.0084
We'll not run any "backwards sessions" since you asked. I don't want to confuse anyone! Need teh local boys to stay sharp and kick some butt!!
Sweet. But of course after the National, nothing but CCW to prep for the last WERA round. :)
QuoteThe jump is T5.
The esses are T6.
The bowl is T7.
The sweeper is the sweeper (T8 ).
The hairpin is T9.
The right after the hairpin is 10A.
The left onto the straight is 10B.
The numbers stay the same when running CCW (you don't switch them, so 10B is in effect "turn 1")
Sorry Eddie, but you're so last week too ;) Hop over to the Grattan website http://www.grattanraceway.com/thetrack.html. They renumbered the corners this winter. It actually makes sense now.
JeF4y, you're right about the jump. It's just before turn 5.
H.
When did they do that!
Aw man .. I'm screwed now ..
Maybe not, Eddie. Now I could be wrong on this, but I think they left each turn where it was before the renumbering:D
At my pace, it was reall easy to notice every thing.
BTW, what's your opinion of the stuff they used as a sealer? That concrete grey coloured stuff. A bit distracting I think. Not super grippy (like the patch in/exiting turn 5 @ Beaver) - in fact it seemed slippery in the wet. But you've raced there in the wet. You should have a better feel for that than I.
H.
It's fine - it's all fine. All the new stuff isn't even noticeable to me.
The only place I actually change my line when it's wet is the sweeper - and that's minor. I just cross the sealer at a different spot (more vertical on the bike).
The common saying: If you can go fast at Grattan, you can go fast anywhere. It's true (except maybe at VIR for the first time :) )