what will happen if the shenandoah circut is not ready intime for july 17t-18th?will the event get canceld or will it get moved to the main course?
HA.. no way it'll be ready. not from what I saw this weekend
yaeah iknow i know it wont be ready so i want to know if they are going to cancel it or move it to the main course dident they move the event last year to the main course when they scheduled the shenndoah?
NO. >:( It was called off.)
your kidding me they called off the race? ohh man dont tell me that, that sucks big donky balls, is there a link on ccs website? man that really sucks
didnt CCS do a combined points event at VIR to take place of the event scheduled @ Shenandoah last year?
Quotedidnt CCS do a combined points event at VIR to take place of the event scheduled @ Shenandoah last year?
its already scheduled on the 2004 shcedule vir is a double points but june 25-27
hmm wonder if they "planned" it as a double point event knowing that Shenandoah wouldn't be ready? ::)
the June VIR is FUSA so a double points. They probably will make the next VIR (after that) double points as well.
There was no announcement this weekend in regards to this...Summit Point says it will be ready...just give it a little more time and wait for CCS to make an offical announcement.........
I walked around the circuit this weekend and took some pictures. I'm working on uploading them to my server.
I really doubt it will be ready. And if it is done there I imagine there may be some safety issues with the insurance company regarding motorcycle racing events, as with the Jefferson Circuit.
The turn at the end of the straight would be at least as fast as T10 on Summit main. The "runoff" is less than the width of the track and then there is a concrete wall. Behind that is a ~20ft sloped drop off. :o
well it is obvious the new track wont happen but they wont reschedule it and move it to the main course?
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well that looks like they are ready to roll !!! haha, man this sucks gotta wait till september for another race,
Summit Point and CCS said today that it is still scheduled. However, summit advised that they are crossing their fingers that the track will be ready and they are doing everything in their ability to ensure that it will be ready. They did not sound optimistic the track would be ready so better make plan B
durring the ccs races at least, the big track is occupied, shenendoah or nothing
The section of track where pictures 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 12 were taken is not part of the race course we can use. It is for tactical training only, as per zoning restrictions.
There is no possibility of moving the July event to the main course at Summit as was originally scheduled, the SCCA bumped us from the main course when it became appearent that there was a possibility of the track not being ready by July 15. SPR still assures me that the racing portions of the track will be ready by then, but we will decide for certain before the next race at VIR.
The track may still be completed on time and the event still cancelled, since we cannot certify the facility race-ready until the course is completed.
Sorry I can not give you any more information than that at this time.
QuoteThe track may still be completed on time and the event still cancelled, since we cannot certify the facility race-ready until the course is completed.
Any more info? Do you have a drop dead date?
There are concrete barriers EVERYWHERE and so close to the track!
From looking at the pictures, that is going to be a car track. It really doesn't look suitable for bikes with all the barriers. Next year it may be alot easier to get dates on the main so that's good. If it is done, maybe SCCA will swap back.
http://www.formulausa.com/articleDetail?id=Article.2004-06-11.4539
am I reading that article wrong but it sounds to me like they orginally had all the event planned for the new track ?? And in September the plans are to race on the new track not on summit main/?
thats what it sounded like but I thought it was otherwise. Nonetheless I still have yet to see a new track around us getting built and used. I am doubting still whether it will be ready for Sept. We will see. I guess we all going to Barber now
check out the schedule on
http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/SCHEDSP.HTM
"~Events held on Shenandoah Circuit~"
we are scheduled to run the new track for Sept and Oct ...and SCCA is scheduled on the main. Seems to me like aren't that important to Summit Point...and CCS just let this all happen??? if the new track isn't ready for the 2 fall events...that's 3 races we'll loose out on....doesn't seem right >:(
Quotecheck out the schedule on
http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/SCHEDSP.HTM
"~Events held on Shenandoah Circuit~"
we are scheduled to run the new track for Sept and Oct ...and SCCA is scheduled on the main. Seems to me like aren't that important to Summit Point...and CCS just let this all happen??? if the new track isn't ready for the 2 fall events...that's 3 races we'll loose out on....doesn't seem right >:(
I definatly have to agree, about the track probably not being ready. and it does suck we would be out three events this year. Ohh and what I really love is georgia, and ALABAMA being on the MID_ATLANTIC schedule. ALABAMA is over 500 miles away from the atlantic ocean let alone the mid atlantic. good call on that one !!!
QuoteI definatly have to agree, about the track probably not being ready. and it does suck we would be out three events this year. Ohh and what I really love is georgia, and ALABAMA being on the MID_ATLANTIC schedule. ALABAMA is over 500 miles away from the atlantic ocean let alone the mid atlantic. good call on that one !!!
I'm looking forward to alabama. Its more that 500 miles for me but we'll make a game out of it. I'cant wait!!!!!!!!! 45 feet wide, blind turns, the thrill of learning a new track.
The embarrassing and incompetent practice of scheduling races at tracks not even built is becoming the GEM in the CCS crown. For the past 3 years they have successfully fucked up their mid-atlantic schedule by following this practice. I particularly like how they will not put together a back up plan for these weekends. WERA scheduled a Shenandoah race last year, but had a back up date set at the main course.
But these complaints are not even the tip of the iceberg. The most embarrassing aspect of this practice is scheduling motorcycle races at a track that they have no idea will be safe for motorcycles. I have walked Shenandoah and it is barely suitable in some places for YSR-50 races. Concrete walls and Jersey barriers are everywhere, no run off, bedrock and exposed rock in places that could be considered run off, and last but not least is the 180 degree bowl turn with a 30 degree incline (as in if you fuck up, the turn becomes a ramp ala "Evel Knievel") make up the safety features of this track.
Still, I do hope that I am looking at parts of the track that will not be used for motorcycles and I have mis judged the layout of the unfinished track. But still it does not dismiss the ignorance of scheduling races at track you do not know to be safe.
My current opinion is Shenandoah isn't even close.
The opinion of the shifter cart racers are that they will not race there.
And lastly I had some of the MARRC people look at the track, and there opinion was motorcycles will not race there.
Maybe someone from CCS should have walked over to the new track while at the last Formula weekend. Or is that too much to expect?