http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/16/parade.accident.ap/index.html
Okay, so how do you feel about THIS one where no charges have been filed...
(ducking and running)
I'm embarrassed that those guys represent motorcyclists to the general population. The stunting trend is bad in a lot of ways IMHO... :-/
Charges should be filed.
We had a similar incident in Stoughton, WI (SOuth of Madison) where a guy with either an expired learners permit (my guess knowing you can only reapply for a learners permit 3 times in WI) or none at all, lose control of his HD and hit 5 people in teh crowd. Nothing more than minor injuries, but 3 were children. Still its BS.
I'm with tiger about the stunters. They are causing alot of problems for other bikers in some areas. Their "do what feels good now" attitude messed up Janesville's sportbike scene with the PD. They dont care what they are doing to the sport. We went from having a group of 30-50 bikes every fri and sat night to 4 seperate groups who dont play well together. The guys I ride with are considered "Anti-stunters" or "Jealous" because we dont stunt. Its not that we are anti stunting, we are just anti stunting IN TOWN. For 3 yrs we tried to get them to take it out of town. Nope. Right up and down teh main drag. Now cops harrass, yes HARRASS any sportbike in town now. SO now they go out of town and now "claim" to not do them on the street. Well too late, damage is done.
I hear ya Rob. I'm not against wheelies, etc. but there's a time and place for that stuff. Ticking off the public is bad for all of us.
QuoteI hear ya Rob. I'm not against wheelies, etc. but there's a time and place for that stuff. Ticking off the public is bad for all of us.
Thats why once my YZF is converted to a TLR #507 killer, I wont buy another sportbike for street riding. HD for a next street toy.:D
Same story here, but they have a pic to go with it ::).
http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040516/1958286373.htm&photoid=20040428XPW105
Biaggi's a stunta!!!
QuoteI hear ya Rob. I'm not against wheelies, etc. but there's a time and place for that stuff. Ticking off the public is bad for all of us.
Damn, where do you do wheelies. They said 100 dollar fine for each one at Gateway last weekend. If you can't do them at the track, then where?
QuoteBiaggi's a stunta!!!
I wonder if he knows they're using his likeness? :o Hmmmm..lawsuit anyone? :P
QuoteSame story here, but they have a pic to go with it ::).
http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040516/1958286373.htm&photoid=20040428XPW105
Biaggi's a stunta!!!
Isn't the big thing here that the picture does not show the rider that did this?
This seems to say that this helmeted and protected rider of a seemingly racy bike was the injuring vehicle.
I'm writing CNN...are you?
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form2a.html?1
I'm completely appalled by your placement of the picture in this story:
http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040516/1958286373.htm&photoid=20040428XPW105
You are using a respected, world-class motorcycle racer (Max Biaggi) in a story which had some idiot hurt small children during a stupid stunt.
As a motorcycle racer, the last thing our community needs is to be associated with garbage like this. Your ignorance of the motorcycle community shows clear with the association of a road racer with an illegal street stunter. The problem is that the largely uninformed public views you as an information source, and this picture/association will stick in their minds which equates to bad press for myself and my fellow respectable racers, who are disgusted by the true story involved here.
I sincerely hope you remove this picture and set the record straight.
Quotethe motorcycle flew into the crowd, landing on the children
so this motorcycle actually left the ground completely? I mean...that's what I think of when I read the word "flew" and "landing".
::) ::)
I am writing them now, and demanding that they replace the image with the attached.
(https://www.ccsforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lutz-bommel.de%2Fwheelie.jpg&hash=940b2f4297e87682f5a9311d09d687c2c24fc3c2)
Dude! That is a PHAT 12-O-Clock. ;D
To CNN:
QuoteIn the attached link, CNN has depicted a photograph of a professional world level motorcycle road racer. (Max Biaggi) Is this a copyrighted photo by CNN? If not, does he know you are using his photo to illustrate an accident caused by an illegal stunt in a parade in Connecticut that injured 3 children? As a road racer myself, the ignorance shown by CNN to associate a person performing an illegal stunt with a profesional racer widely portrays a negative perception of responsible racers and motorcyclists as a whole. I am requesting that you retrieve a photo of the actual accident. If one is not available, please take the current photo off of this article. It does a disservice to Mr. Biaggi as well as all motorcycle road racers, and moreso questions the legitimacy of your reporting.
Had to send one to Max...
QuoteMax! As a road racer competing in Championship Cup Series in the US, we have discovered a CNN article that depicts you in association with an article reporting an accident by a stunter injuring 3 children. Many of us have written CNN requesting they remove this picture. Until that time, I am sending you a link of the article.
http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040516/1958286373.htm&photoid=20040428XPW105
We hope this can be resolved quickly, as we are all disgusted not only from the incident itself, but their apparent ignorance of the motorcycle community as a whole. Thanks Max. Best of luck to you this year.
Regards,
Greg Ludt
Havelock, NC
CCS #50
edit/Well, before anyone else makes an idiot out of themselves, simply write questioning WHY they associated the two. The copyright issue is moot, as if you click on the picture it DOES give an appropriate caption... oops... :-[
still BS tho >:(
Quoted**n, where do you do wheelies. They said 100 dollar fine for each one at Gateway last weekend. If you can't do them at the track, then where?
XSBA.
QuoteXSBA.
are you serious?! LOLOL Where do you think these guys started/practice? If you say these riders don't do/did stunts on the street....
hahaha
I e-mailed CNN also, but wasn't as polite >:( ;) :-X
Quoteare you serious?! LOLOL Where do you think these guys started/practice? If you say these riders don't do/did stunts on the street....
hahaha
Don't know how much XSBA is going to take off. The street is a "free" playground (no gate or entry fees) for a lot of these riders. Plus, the street has a captive audience, which is what they want.
Even the street can be a semi-acceptable place. I have seen many stunters practice in basically abandon areas with no people/cars/obstacles. Still illegal, but sure beats down-town main st in my opinion.
They need to make a stunt night at these rural airports. If I owned one, I'd do it. 8)
QuoteI'm embarrassed that those guys represent motorcyclists to the general population. The stunting trend is bad in a lot of ways IMHO... :-/
It was NOT a stunt team, nor even a stunt rider responsible for this.
It was a bunch of local inner city MC clubs in the parade, and their idiot squids were acting up...and eventually caused this disaster. It was an accident waiting to happen IMHO.
Not stunt(er) related.
"Witnesses said he was riding with the Flaming Knights motorcycle club.
Scores of bikers from several different clubs participated in the parade. Throughout the route, young people on all-terrain vehicles and dirt bikes sped up and down Dixwell Avenue.
Before the crash, a few motorcyclists were scolded by police for spinning tires or doing wheelies along the route."
Second class?? That disrespects the bikers out there that don't pull this stuff. How about NO class? :-[
QuoteSecond class?? That disrespects the bikers out there that don't pull this stuff. How about NO class? :-[
Doh! Pulled out the trump card and smacked me with it... :'( :-*
Quoteare you serious?! LOLOL Where do you think these guys started/practice? If you say these riders don't do/did stunts on the street....
hahaha
Well, the same goes for road racers...
I started in a time before track days ever existed. I rode on the street, but recognized really quickly that I couldn't do anything on the street that honestly did anything for me on a track...so, I got an old dirt bike.
Why isn't that an option for Stunta's?
Just because they don't have a place to "practice" their "sport", I'm still not going to enable them to have opportunities around my family on streets that my taxes pay for.
It's easy to go someplace, anyplace, and ask to do something. Airport, dragstrip, etc.
Are you kidding? Glen Curtiss can't get airports, stadiums or even race tracks to let him go motarding much less stunting........ And the XSBA thing is a joke. They let them come out to the track 5 times a year to stunt but they'll "practice" on the street all year. And that's only the few guys that do XSBA.
Not all, but most of the others are just idiots who don't give a damn about anyone else. Stunting during a parade with the streets lined with families is as stupid as it gets! These people won't let me say what I really think.
If you're writing a reply to CNN about the use of the pic, the best analogy I've heard was from a buddy of mine on another board.
"what you've done here would equate to using a picture of Jeff Gordon in his Nascar vehicle on a story where a drunken teenager wipes out a bus-stop of children".
For whatever reason, since it links to Nascar they *might* understand...
QuoteStunting during a parade with the streets lined with families is as stupid as it gets! These people won't let me say what I really think.
Weggie, if you missed it, see my post above.
THIS WAS NOT A STUNTRIDER(S) WHO CAUSED THE ACCIDENT!
The rest of you....bitch about stunterz all you want, but don't try and use an incident which they were not involved in to prove your points.
Also, there are true stunterz and then there are idiot squids trying to pull stunts. There is a disinction, and the squids make up the majority.
Just because I see leather-clad sportbike riders dangerously doing triple-digits on driveway laden backroads, doesn't mean they are roadracers.
Every idiot who pulls a wheelie is not a stuntrider.
fyi....in the last year or two, stunting has taken a turn towards super low speed trix. Parking lot stunts.
And most true stunters practice in deserted parking lots and desolate areas.
Be my guest and keep bitching about them, but don't blame them for this...and also don't think just because you saw some idiot pull a wheelie on the highway that he is a stuntrider. He might just be a motorcyclist riding a wheelie.
Most of you know not of what you speak....on this subject.
Flame away :-*
QuoteAlso, there are true stunterz and then there are idiot squids trying to pull stunts. There is a disinction, and the squids make up the majority.
Just because I see leather-clad sportbike riders dangerously doing triple-digits on driveway laden backroads, doesn't mean they are roadracers.
Every idiot who pulls a wheelie is not a stuntrider.
Flame away :-*
Can't flame ya...'cause you nailed it on the head...
;D Good job!
QuoteAlso, there are true stunterz and then there are idiot squids trying to pull stunts. There is a disinction,...
which is??
Quote... and the squids make up the majority.
Just because I see leather-clad sportbike riders dangerously doing triple-digits on driveway laden backroads, doesn't mean they are roadracers.
who has argued otherwise?
QuoteEvery idiot who pulls a wheelie is not a stuntrider.
so are you confirming that even stuntriders are idiots? ;)
Quotefyi....in the last year or two, stunting has taken a turn towards super low speed trix. Parking lot stunts.
And most true stunters practice in deserted parking lots and desolate areas.
Agreed, but what about the rest of the "true stunters" that don't?
QuoteBe my guest and keep bitching about them, but don't blame them for this...
I am not.
Quoteand also don't think just because you saw some idiot pull a wheelie on the highway that he is a stuntrider. He might just be a motorcyclist riding a wheelie.
Again, what qualifies anyone being an official "stuntrider"? Is there a license?
QuoteMost of you know not of what you speak....on this subject.
Admittingly, I was into stunts before I started riding on the track. I did stuff on completely unpopulated backroads, but I didn't consider myself a true stunta...whatever that is...
Of course we, the "RESPECTABLE RACER" types, have NEVER railed down driveway lined streets at triple-digit speeds or hoisted wheelies on public roads. We saw our first sportbike, and immediately bought a trailer, tow vehicle, leathers, helmet, generator, tire warmers, ect, ect, ect, and went immediately to the racetrack, right?
Well, maybe you did, but I sure didn't. Before I started racing, I was taking week-long trips to the mountains to rail on a street bike, even bringing extra tires with me. I rode plenty of wheelies and stoppies on the street, too. For me to bitch about what these stunters are doing now would be totally hypocritical. Isn't there something in the bible about, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? So now let's hear from all the racers who have NEVER pulled a stunt or exceded the speed limit while on their motorcycles on a public road.
QuoteAlso, there are true stunterz and then there are idiot squids trying to pull stunts. There is a disinction, and the squids make up the majority.
Just because I see leather-clad sportbike riders dangerously doing triple-digits on driveway laden backroads, doesn't mean they are roadracers.
Every idiot who pulls a wheelie is not a stuntrider.
The difference is, real roadracers have licenses from some sanctioning body, and organized, legal events to practice their craft. The ones that are still alive have also in many cases concluded that those events are really the only safe place to practice their craft - and they keep it in their pants when they're on the road (not all - but at least some, if not most).
Now, stuntman - can you say the same of squids/stunters? Even if you classify yourself (as you have) in the more sensible "stunter" category, you still practice what you do in parking lots and other self-proclaimed safe spaces. But technically what you're doing is illegal in those spaces. Racers at least have a legitimate venue to play in.
Should stunters have one too? Of course. But in the meantime, what you are doing in your "safe space" is on the same continuum as what the squidlies are doing in parades and on Lake Shore Drive. While you and I may understand and appreciate how it's more sensible in a safe space, the average non-biker who happens by may not.
If the safe spaces are on private property there is nothing illegal happening I used to ride with some of the original stunna's the godfathers if you will. They did stunt on the street but in time learned the dangers both physically as well as $$$. they infact discourage street stunting and let some of the squids who do it know how they feel.
Speedballer, you just don't get it do you? Nobody cares what you call them .... the appearance is they're all the same in the eye of the public. One idiot imitating stunters in a parade and hurting people makes the entire sport bike crowd look stupid.
Yes, the same as the squids on the mountain roads trying to be roadracers and the weekend warriors on the Harley's trying to be "outlaws". They all give motorcycling a bad name. All of these no class riders are the ones that make the rest us second class citizens to the non-riding population.
I am guilty as anyone for doing some foolish riding in my time but I tried to keep my stupidity from the public eye not parade it on crowded streets.