William (CCS 477 I think) was running really well (1:57s) in 18th place and then tucked the front in the chicane. Can anyone provide an update on him?
William is ok overall according to his mother. COmpression fracture of a t6 vertebra. Was very very close to a 1:56 lap time.. 1:57.17.. He will be back in no time..
Thanks Greg, I appreciate the info.
Thats a tough break for him. Hope him heal soon. Was real excited to see a fellow rookie do so well. Couldn't believe how fast he was. If he didn't get hurt at the ROC he would have won most races I think. Well at least he made the highlight reel for the SS race. I think they showed it like 5 times, even in the ending credits.
QuoteThats a tough break for him. Hope him heal soon. Was real excited to see a fellow rookie do so well. Couldn't believe how fast he was. If he didn't get hurt at the ROC he would have won most races I think. Well at least he made the highlight reel for the SS race. I think they showed it like 5 times, even in the ending credits.
yup.. he won all 4 ntl championship races before a crash kept him out of his other 4 races. i finished 2nd and 3rd behind him in my 2 races on a borrowed bike and felt very very good about it. I beat him in 1 race at Jennings, my "home" track my 4th race weekend as an AM. Never again though.. went "0" for 6 against him after that .
that sound like me and hector, beat him once at daytona and crashed out another time in front of him at roebling (well in even competition, he always gridded all the way back for the rest of the year it doesnt really count). Never again lol maybe this year, maybe this year
speakin of Hector...where is he? How did he do at Daytona?
Quotespeakin of Hector...where is he? How did he do at Daytona?
He had a weekend to forget, hopefully will be at VIR this weekend...
I saw hector's bike sitting infront of the welder shop, so it couldn't have been good. Talked to him at tech, I think it is just not a good weekend for him. Kind of reminded me of Alex's weekend a year ago.
Hey ned you going this weekend? I will be there, donno if I will race on Sat though
yup, i'll be there riding w/nesba on the south course sat & sun and the north on mon. i know alot of you guys will be racing w/wera but i want to stick with my plan of a bit of practice first before the pressure cooking begins! :)
plus i want to test my arm a bit as well...
you got the surgery done? how's it so far?
Is this the same William Meyers that was an AM last year?
yup
Quoteyou got the surgery done? how's it so far?
so far so good. i went to the gym yesterday to work on it. it's about 85% back to where it should be so i'm on target...
so if he was a am last year then how is he a ex this year
Quoteso if he was a am last year then how is he a ex this year
Yeh, I thought the AMA required you to be an expert and have a certain amount of expert points? ???
do a search on the forum with the words "AMA" "license" and "amateur". This has been talked about many times. You can get a AMA license if you are an EX, just have to know how to do it, how you have been finishing, who you are...
You can be an amatuer last year and still get an AMA license. Except for Superbike. Someother young kid did the samething a year ealier. Can't remember his name but he raced in the supersport race too.
Joe Ford
and I can list about 10 more names in the last 2 years
not to belittle myers but looks like the draft sucked him into the chicane and he crashed. If the AMA would stick to there guns you would need the 100 points as an expert to get the license and the expierence of earning 100 points in expert races probably would have helped myers.
100 pts is pretty easy hell ive earned over that in one race as a expert even though it was double points.
not to belittle myers but looks like the draft sucked him into the chicane and he crashed. If the AMA would stick to there guns you would need the 100 points as an expert to get the license and the expierence of earning 100 points in expert races probably would have helped myers.
This is a guy who won 4 nationals in one day at daytona last year, to contest to his ability. Are you saying because he was am. thats why he crashed? The guy was running mid teens in a race where there were fourty/fifty riders in his first ama race. so roadrashroeser, If I were you, I wouldn't take about things you don't know about.
As for steve, you don't have enough points to go ama. The points system is based on ama points system, not ccs.
OH I didnt know that. If you got one i know i can squid!!! :P j/k How you felling man?
Quotenot to belittle myers but looks like the draft sucked him into the chicane and he crashed. If the AMA would stick to there guns you would need the 100 points as an expert to get the license and the expierence of earning 100 points in expert races probably would have helped myers.
So it is up to AMA to help us learn how to ride now? How do you know he got sucked into the chicane, how can you tell from a video angle from in the chicane? that seems to be presuming a whole lot.
I guess we should send Aaron Yates back to the AM too, cuz the years he raced pro didn't help him any ;D
And for Meyers, if you get sucked in, you can always go straight.
So the AMA rule of requiring 100 expert points on their scale to get an AMA pro expert license is not really enforced? How do you bypass that requirement?
I think if you won almost ever race your first year in the hardest classes to win (mwss,hwss, etc.), then you were to win 4 nationals all in the same year, you also could get a wave from CCS and AMA to ride. not to mention that he did all of this on pretty much bone stock bikes.
It takes ALOT of work and ALOT of people to have such a good year. Meyers has ALOT of talent. Time will show you he is a gem in though rough.
www.wamcycles.com
I believe Brian Shaw got his exemption as well...You have to do very well in the point standings and put in a petition i believe.
I think some people have gotten their superbike exemptions from a previous first year amature status the year before as well
I raced with Meyer's at the last amateur race last year at VIR. He was winning, I was mid-pack. I'm a brand new racer, and aside from being fast, I can tell you that William, his wife and family were great to me. He was helping me w/ my bike, giving me tips on lines, his family even served me and my pit buddy a couple lunches. For a guy that has one year of racing under his belt, I can only assume he must be a natural. I hope he follow's Nicky Hayden's MotoGP example and races hard in CCS expert and slow in AMA, to get him some more experience. If he can stay healthy, he may turn out to be a Troy Bayliss-like story.
Well, I can tell you one thing, Bill is fast. Everyone told me that I would get my butt handed to me at Daytona because I was only fast at Blackhawk. That didn't happen. Greg and Bill were both on 636's
which at Daytona was like following a 750. I know, I caught them everylap in the infield. Period. Ned
Brown was on a strong 03 R6, which didn't need the
draft to catch me on my 2001 GSXR. Back to the Tez argument here. Everybody wants to talk sh!t
and put people down, but until you are there putting yourself to the test, you don't know anything.
Bill is fast at Daytona, and anyone who is fast there,
will be fast elsewhere. It is a tough, scary place.
Don't bother trying to win unless you come strong.
Those of us who were fortunate to win there, did just that. So props to Bill, Greg, Ned, Hector, Jorge and
that patterson kid who was there all weekend.
Besides, we have to start somewhere. Sometimes
you have to take some risks and just go for it.
Go Bill!!!
Lil Thorny.
man how did I get left out of that list... I was the next guy hahahahaha ;D :P
I have been very slow the last 2 times I was there, I know :) Next time I say, next time!
Quotenot to belittle myers but looks like the draft sucked him into the chicane and he crashed. If the AMA would stick to there guns you would need the 100 points as an expert to get the license and the expierence of earning 100 points in expert races probably would have helped myers.
Daytona is unique.. no other track is going to have that kind of draft. He had more laps on this track than MANY expert riders and was turning laps only a few seconds off very high level expert riders. Shit happens. I understand your point about the 100 pt thing but trust me, i have ridden against William (well, just behind him in our last 5 outings).. and can say "he got skill".. 4 national chmpshps. and potentially woulda won a few more were it not for a crash on a cold track in practice..
QuoteWell, I can tell you one thing, Bill is fast. Everyone told me that I would get my butt handed to me at Daytona because I was only fast at Blackhawk. That didn't happen. Greg and Bill were both on 636's
which at Daytona was like following a 750. I know, I caught them everylap in the infield. Period. Ned
Brown was on a strong 03 R6, which didn't need the
draft to catch me on my 2001 GSXR. Back to the Tez argument here. Everybody wants to talk sh!t
and put people down, but until you are there putting yourself to the test, you don't know anything.
Bill is fast at Daytona, and anyone who is fast there,
will be fast elsewhere. It is a tough, scary place.
Don't bother trying to win unless you come strong.
Those of us who were fortunate to win there, did just that. So props to Bill, Greg, Ned, Hector, Jorge and
that patterson kid who was there all weekend.
Besides, we have to start somewhere. Sometimes
you have to take some risks and just go for it.
Go Bill!!!
Lil Thorny.
Benji, you were catching me in the infield on my borrowed 636, but we were loosing ground to William. In the supersport race he did enough to stay ahead of me by a second (had a pit board) or so but coulda gone faster.
I think your bike was under geared.. we had the same hp though..stock 636 110hp with race gas.. your bike was AMA spec and new too. You were faster in the infield for sure.
I actually beat william ONCE 5/03 on my 2000 f4 at jennings.. not since however..
QuoteWell, I can tell you one thing, Bill is fast. Everyone told me that I would get my butt handed to me at Daytona because I was only fast at Blackhawk. That didn't happen. Greg and Bill were both on 636's
which at Daytona was like following a 750. I know, I caught them everylap in the infield. Period. Ned
Brown was on a strong 03 R6, which didn't need the
draft to catch me on my 2001 GSXR. Back to the Tez argument here. Everybody wants to talk sh!t
and put people down, but until you are there putting yourself to the test, you don't know anything.
Bill is fast at Daytona, and anyone who is fast there,
will be fast elsewhere. It is a tough, scary place.
Don't bother trying to win unless you come strong.
Those of us who were fortunate to win there, did just that. So props to Bill, Greg, Ned, Hector, Jorge and
that patterson kid who was there all weekend.
Besides, we have to start somewhere. Sometimes
you have to take some risks and just go for it.
Go Bill!!!
Lil Thorny.
To take anything away from William is ridiculous. The guy is fast. He won those championships impressively. It would have been great if he didn't go down on sat. back in Oct, a number of other guys including Melk, Benji and myself seemed like we started to get things going later in the weekend. But it didn't work out that way. Hector had great battles with him during the season as well, so there are a few guys in the AMs who have had 1st had experience watching him run.
I was happy for him and followed his times in practice and qualifying, he did great! The AMA will always make exceptions, that's their way. Will was deserving of that license, no doubt. Him crashing had nothing to do with coming from EX or AM, IMO.
Actually him being out there has given me some extra motivation to work harder, it seems that playing with the big boys is a bit closer than I first thought. Maybe not as impressively as he did it, but a possiblity nevertheless.
Somebody said Will maybe a Bayliss type story one day, and they might be right. I always thought he and Hector had the potential, they just needed a few things to fall their way. We'll see and I'm excited to watch. Seeing Benji, Jorge, and Melk as well, I won't be surprised if at least one of those guys live the dream, at least for a little while.
BTW..Benji my R6 is a good one, I just had it dynoed at 108.9 on pump gas. I was probably around 110-111 on race gas at Daytona. About time I had a good bike!! :)
Tez is a different thing altogether. The haters won't go away anytime soon, screw 'em. More power to him and the Jordan crew.
Peanut. i got a 600 now..cant wait to battle with you at VIR next month
QuoteTo take anything away from William is ridiculous. The guy is fast. He won those championships impressively. It would have been great if he didn't go down on sat. back in Oct, a number of other guys including Melk, Benji and myself seemed like we started to get things going later in the weekend. But it didn't work out that way. Hector had great battles with him during the season as well, so there are a few guys in the AMs who have had 1st had experience watching him run.
I was happy for him and followed his times in practice and qualifying, he did great! The AMA will always make exceptions, that's their way. Will was deserving of that license, no doubt. Him crashing had nothing to do with coming from EX or AM, IMO.
Actually him being out there has given me some extra motivation to work harder, it seems that playing with the big boys is a bit closer than I first thought. Maybe not as impressively as he did it, but a possiblity nevertheless.
Somebody said Will maybe a Bayliss type story one day, and they might be right. I always thought he and Hector had the potential, they just needed a few things to fall their way. We'll see and I'm excited to watch. Seeing Benji, Jorge, and Melk as well, I won't be surprised if at least one of those guys live the dream, at least for a little while.
BTW..Benji my R6 is a good one, I just had it dynoed at 108.9 on pump gas. I was probably around 110-111 on race gas at Daytona. About time I had a good bike!! :)
Tez is a different thing altogether. The haters won't go away anytime soon, screw 'em. More power to him and the Jordan crew.
spoken like the Ntl. champ you are!
i might have made an effort to get to the big time but im an old guy starting out in a young guy/gal sport.. just havin fun and getting faster chasing you young guns.
Quotespoken like the Ntl. champ you are!
i might have made an effort to get to the big time but im an old guy starting out in a young guy/gal sport.. just havin fun and getting faster chasing you young guns.
Ahh Melk i'm 37 years old myself...young? ok if you say so...lol.
QuotePeanut. i got a 600 now..cant wait to battle with you at VIR next month
i always thought you were on a 600. which one did you get?
QuoteAhh Melk i'm 37 years old myself...young? ok if you say so...lol.
Nice one! did'nt know that. do us 37 year olds proud!! :)
Greg, I was way down on HP that weekend. I couldn't pull the gear I wanted to. I was at 102 and was using
16/45 just to keep it in the 13,000 range in 6th. You come to my house and play!! LOL ;D My bike was mapped for pump, and was running VP. I just had it
Dyno'd and I actually lost HP from running the VP.
it dyno'd at 101.8 exactly 10 HP less than when it was supersported in Aug 2002. The guys at Manley cycle here in Minneapolis actually laughed at me. Oh well you live and learn right? It did still accelerate better in the infield. Anyway, it doesn't matter how fast you are, what matters is where you finish, if you
finish ;) Who started this whole thing anyway?
Roeser you sell-out...where are you? ;D
Peanut,
age before beauty ;D
nED...LAST SEASON, I WAS ON A GIXXER 750. GOT ME A 636 FOR THIS SEASON
Ned...i need a new snowboard ;-)
QuoteNed...i need a new snowboard ;-)
no problem, i have many. call me on my cell 302-521-6002 and we'll get it going.
QuoteGreg, I was way down on HP that weekend. I couldn't pull the gear I wanted to. I was at 102 and was using
16/45 just to keep it in the 13,000 range in 6th. You come to my house and play!! LOL ;D My bike was mapped for pump, and was running VP. I just had it
Dyno'd and I actually lost HP from running the VP.
it dyno'd at 101.8 exactly 10 HP less than when it was supersported in Aug 2002. The guys at Manley cycle here in Minneapolis actually laughed at me. Oh well you live and learn right? It did still accelerate better in the infield. Anyway, it doesn't matter how fast you are, what matters is where you finish, if you
finish ;)
yikes, thats impressive. My 00F4 has 101hp on VP U4 and i was not going to ride Daytona at all with that bike. My buddy jeff offered his 636, Hats off to ya riding the bike you did.. ill stay down here where its warm.
i'm off to vir gents for the nesba weekend on the south course. i'm going to try not to race with wera on the north course....;)
can't wait!!!
Whoa take it easy, my point is he(myers) dominated am but he had few people close to him all weekend at ROC. Riding against am vs riding against a thick pack of ex is different. Yes he is fast raced him in spring 03 at Daytona. All I am saying is riding to gain 100 points in expert would help alot. If you win a wera race with 16 riders in it you get 15 points toward an AMA license. So if he rode CCS with 16 riders he would get 13 points. All in all I personally feel you should have to earn what the rules say. Any way all the attacking of my oppinions will be handled at the track. To all bring what ya got cause my bikes way faster then your bike guys. ;D Thorton your slow and I cant wait till we race again. And everybody needs to RELAX its just racing.
Thorton Iam no sell out punk, just been working and finishing my bike at the shop, haven't been on the computer lately. You going to Road America this year?
Yep, hopefully gonna run the FUSA stuff too.
Hey Greg, if you read this, I have a correction....that I feel good about:
I got my bike back today and it was @ 97 HP before
now it is 107HP with ultimate 4.
So I'm feeling pretty good about my Daytona experience!
Mike, stop working so hard, you are turning into a crabby appleton ;D
Lil Thorny
I hear that, working way to much. What Dyno does your motor guy use?
Dynojet. it was 97hp with the vp I was using at Daytona, then they tuned it and it makes 103.5Hp
on pump. 107HP with ultimate 4. But my midrange is where it's at baby. It is torquey now. I have to
keep those numbers a secret ;)
but 10 Hp man....should make a huge difference down the straights. Can't be having Stumpy walken away from me like he stole my candy. It cost me a little to have it done, but they made over 20 Dyno runs to tune it good. These are the guys who tune
Rob's Tularis. They know their shiznit. anyway...we'll
see.
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Hey Mike, just curious, do you have any numbers on your R6, if you are willing.....I know that 4and6 build
awesome bikes... both Janische and Rosno have really strong motors and chassis'. What's the scoop?
Benj.
Ben only have stock numbers 88hp on factory dyno. Waiting for my gearing from AFAM before I know anything more.