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Racing Discussion => Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Team_nuclear123 on February 16, 2004, 07:27:20 AM

Title: Weight minimums
Post by: Team_nuclear123 on February 16, 2004, 07:27:20 AM
Am I correct in thinking that there was only a weight min. in the Sportbike class?

Am I missing anything as far as this goes?

Thanks
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: WebCrush on February 16, 2004, 07:29:30 AM
weight min and hp max
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Team_nuclear123 on February 16, 2004, 08:43:12 AM
IM sorry it was a bit early when I wrote that.. lol

The EX sportbike class...

No other CCS classes have weight minimums, do they?

Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Nate R on February 16, 2004, 10:13:44 AM
No. I believe thunderbike has a HP/W ratio limit though.

Anyone else think that the rule on weight should include the rider weight?
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Dawn on February 16, 2004, 10:18:49 AM
QuoteNo. I believe thunderbike has a HP/W ratio limit though.

Anyone else think that the rule on weight should include the rider weight?


Me

 ;)
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: tzracer on February 16, 2004, 10:33:10 AM
No CCS classes have minimum weight limits.

FUSA classes have minimum weight limits, sportbike, formula sportbike, superbike (except 250GP bikes) and thunderbike (given as hp/weight ratio).
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: MudDawg on February 16, 2004, 11:41:53 AM
QuoteNo. I believe thunderbike has a HP/W ratio limit though.

Anyone else think that the rule on weight should include the rider weight?

Considering I weigh in at 232 lbs right now...and race against guys weighing 150lbs....yeah.  Otherwise you are just handicapping me even further than most.  
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: bmfgsxr on February 16, 2004, 03:29:54 PM
dont feel bad muddawg, im 210 (230 with gear) and i go through the same thing.  

it would be nice to see weight limits include rider weight, but that is never going to happen. although there are advantages to being a bigger racer(at least if your in good shape). it makes it far easier to throw the bike around lap after lap after lap with muscle. a person who is 200 lbs compared to a person that is 135 in equal phsyical condtion will have an easier time physically.
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on February 16, 2004, 05:17:16 PM
Quotealthough there are advantages to being a bigger racer(at least if your in good shape). it makes it far easier to throw the bike around lap after lap after lap with muscle. a person who is 200 lbs compared to a person that is 135 in equal phsyical condtion will have an easier time physically.


You forgot that the lighter riders just bounce off ya when they run into ya. ;D
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Pit_Girl on February 16, 2004, 07:20:09 PM
QuoteAnyone else think that the rule on weight should include the rider weight?

Heck no. Not to get all whine-y or anything, but where the would that put me? I would have to throw a cinder block on the back cuz there's now way in he$$ that I'm gonna gain 50 lbs just to race...  

my 2 cents...

-Jennifer
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: EX#996 on February 17, 2004, 03:35:40 AM
QuoteHeck no. Not to get all whine-y or anything, but where the would that put me? I would have to throw a cinder block on the back cuz there's now way in he$$ that I'm gonna gain 50 lbs just to race...  

my 2 cents...

-Jennifer

Jen,

You would just run a bike with less horsepower vs. a heavier rider with more horsepower.  That way the ratio would be the same.

Dawn   :)
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Zac on February 17, 2004, 07:11:16 AM
Intersting note, last year the USGPRU 125 rides had a rider+bike weight limit, and there were a few small rideres that probably had to add a little weight to their bikes to meet the limits.

Looks like I'll have to add weight to my CR500 motard to keep it under 3.8 lbs/HP to be legal for FUSA Thunderbike  :(

-z.
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: fireball on February 17, 2004, 07:41:34 PM
Absolutely weigh the rider with the bike.  They both are in the race.  In auro racing the rider gets weighed with the machine, It's the only fair way.
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Nate R on February 17, 2004, 09:26:05 PM
The more I think about it, the more difficulty it would add by including the rider. Can you imagine a 170 lb rider having to add 60 lbs to the bike because there is a 230 lb rider in the same class?

So, if you did include rider weight within reason, where do you draw the line? 160 lb rider? 180?
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Zac on February 18, 2004, 07:02:29 AM
QuoteThe more I think about it, the more difficulty it would add by including the rider. Can you imagine a 170 lb rider having to add 60 lbs to the bike because there is a 230 lb rider in the same class?

So, if you did include rider weight within reason, where do you draw the line? 160 lb rider? 180?

In this situation you need to set the weight limit so that a light rider (maybe 120 lbs) on a stock bike is realy close to the limit.  The 230 lb rider will never get down to that limit, but will be closer than if only the bike weight is considered.

This was very important for the 125s, because with 40 HP and tiny little tires, every pound counts.  20 lbs is gigantic on a 125, so imagine if all the bikes are kept the same weight, a 120 lb woman is going to have a huge advantage over any average size guy.  This isn't as big of a deal in open class, where the bikes accelerate too fast no matter how much weight is on them.

-z.
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: tzracer on February 18, 2004, 08:00:51 AM
When I raced karts the weight limits were driver and kart. We were weighed everytime we came off the track. I had to add about 30lbs of lead to reach the weight minimum of the light classes. ISTR that the heavy classes were another 40 or 50 lbs heavier. I weighed about 130 at the time, so seems like they picked about 160lbs for the driver for light and 200 for heavy.

Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: FastBoy on February 18, 2004, 09:44:30 AM
you 130 lb guys make me sick! Eat something would ya!? I'm 240 and race against you little guys all the time. I have a new motto for this year and it goes like this...

"You may be lighter and faster than I am but after the race I'm gonna beat you up and take your trophy!"

Okay, I fell better now.  ::)
Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: Team_nuclear123 on February 18, 2004, 12:16:04 PM
ROFL...

At Buttonwillow, getting off my bike, shaking my head in disgust because I could only get down to a 2:02 Polen walks up and says "HA, lets see how many guys can do a 202 two up!"...

Im about 275#... lol

Title: Re: Weight minimums
Post by: tzracer on February 18, 2004, 12:51:10 PM
I weighed 130 15 years ago. I am now at a porky 170, but I am working on that.