i am a first year expert and want to get a ama liscense
what are the basic requirements to get a ama liscense ???
to get an AMA Pro license (not valid for SB use) you need to hold an expert license for a full year and collect 100 points based on the AMA points scale. they list it on the amaproracing.com website somwhere.
AMA license rules and what is in effect are two very different things; last 3 years there has been a first year expert out running Daytona 200
the rules are pretty well enforced, Eric. That is unless you take advantage of the large policitcal system existing within AMA Pro Racing.
My buddy got denied his AMA license two weeks ago cuz he only had 73 points.
I thought to get an AMA expert license (non-Superbike license) you only needed to earn 100 points as an expert based on their equivalent point scale.
Due to the size of last year's grid, it's doubtful many experts will be able to get AMA licenses.
so what and where is the points listing on the ama website i cant seem to find it, i found the rules but nothing about being able to get the liscense
http://www.amaproracing.com/ridersonly/
and go to forms page there are links for the license application, eligibility questionnaire, and regulations and eligibility.
thank you very much i found it
Quotethe rules are pretty well enforced, Eric. That is unless you take advantage of the large policitcal system existing within AMA Pro Racing.
My buddy got denied his AMA license two weeks ago cuz he only had 73 points.
Ok... so inquiring minds want to know how YOU got around the rules? According to your website, you barely had your expert license for 3 months before acquiring your AMA Pro license.
LRRS has the JR class which is considered EX in all other regions and those points were eligible for AMA consideration
According to the AMA you only need an expert license for one year to get a Superbike license. To get an AMA expert license which qualifies you for all other classes you just need 100 points under their system which requires at least 16 riders per class to get points 16-29 riders pays 13 points for first to 2 points for 10th. 30+ riders pays 20 points for 1st down to 1 point for 15th. These are in CCS expert events.
QuoteAccording to the AMA you only need an expert license for one year to get a Superbike license. To get an AMA expert license which qualifies you for all other classes you just need 100 points under their system which requires at least 16 riders per class to get points 16-29 riders pays 13 points for first to 2 points for 10th. 30+ riders pays 20 points for 1st down to 1 point for 15th. These are in CCS expert events.
You might want to go back and actually read the rules for an AMA SB license.
You need to hold an AMA PRO license for a full year AND collect 200 points on the AMA points scale as well.
QuoteYou might want to go back and actually read the rules for an AMA SB license.
You need to hold an AMA PRO license for a full year AND collect 200 points on the AMA points scale as well.
somehow I think exceptions will be made, and grids will need to be filled...
I think the AMA changed the licensing requirements in 2002. One use to be able to obtain an AMA Pro-Expert license with out having to be a club expert for a full year as long as you had the required amount of advancement points or finishes.
They also use to have a Pro-Sport licence that would allow you to race in the now defunct Pro-Thunder class. Club amateurs were even eligible.
As was previously mentioned in order to obtain an AMA Superbike license you need a Pro-Expert licence with the corresponding advancement points.
In the end exceptions are, can be, and have been made.
Basically just about any club expert can obtain an AMA Pro-Expert license as long as you have $250. Qualifying at 112% is not too difficult either.
Honestly with all of the Yamaha and Suzuki money available out there a lot of the fast guys don't even bother with running the AMA. Why spend $1000 or more to run one AMA race and basically win nothing and go broke when you can chase the money and take home $5,000 or more in a weekend in contingency. Jeremy Toye makes some good comments with regard to this in the Feb issue of RRW.
Bingo.
Mladin's purse was like $4k for the Laguna win.
The next weekend, Denning took home $8k from Yamaha alone at Blackhawk. Not a bad pay day.
Where are you Lightnin' Larry?
QuoteYou might want to go back and actually read the rules for an AMA SB license.
You need to hold an AMA PRO license for a full year AND collect 200 points on the AMA points scale as well.
I was just referring to the fact that you don't need to be an expert for a year to get an AMA expert license. I know there are additional requirements to get a superbike license.
It is true for fast experts it probably isn't worth it to run an ama race money wise except for "prestige". I talked to one local fast guy who is a Summit regular he told me the same thing . He just chases the Honda contingency and made over 40000 last year in that alone. Said AMA wasn't worth it.
But AMA purses a lot better, sometimes paying WAY back into the grid.
QuoteBut AMA purses a lot better, sometimes paying WAY back into the grid.
Better than manufacturer contengency money? Hardly. Not if you are a fast guy. Reference Denning, Junge, Jensen or Conrad on this, then get back with us all.
I agree the AMA pays out farther down but getting $50 after spending $1,000 hardly makes sence. Come to think of it I got a wopping $0 for 18th place in 750 Supersport. The week after I got $50 bucks for second in GTU CCS.
If you're talking about front runner, sure, but unless yer top 3 or 5, you don't see any funds coming your way (the exception being VP which has an odd payout schedule)
When did you run in 750ss, cuz last year was the first year their was purse in the SS classes.
But I think, for instance, 20th place in a Daytona support class pays out $250, and only gets better from there.
here is the purse I found listed for several of the rounds for 03 for the support classes.
1. $1,500
2. $1,200
3. $900
4. $700
5. $650
6. $600
7. $525
8. $475
9. $425
10. $400
11. $375
12. $350
13. $325
14. $300
15. $275
16. $250
17. $225
18. $200
19. $175
20. $150
Pretty poor considering the entry fee is $250 for the first class and $125 for the second class. And these are supposed to be the best riders in the country.
250 for the first entry?
only if you don't pre-enter.
From my AMA entry sheet here:
175 first pre-entry, 100 each additional.
Daytona is 5 bucks more
Payout seems better at Daytona: http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=5464
Lower for Road Atlanta, the same as what you posted: http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=6029
But who knows, maybe purse will be up for 2004?
Quotesomehow I think exceptions will be made, and grids will need to be filled...
Superbike fields were full to capacity, except maybe Daytona. Guys were qualifying inside the time, but only so many riders make it. So, that won't work as a reason.
As for purses getting better...
Historically, they have deteriorated. The first AMA national that I raced in was in 1988. At the riders meeting, there was a big stink raised about how the Superbike winning purse was less than the 250 purse from ten years before.
In the early 70's, the 250 class paid $2500 for a win. A TZ250 cost $2500. Weren't they $20k+ lately?
The AMA is not interested in getting road racing moving, just continuing to as they do. Teams too, for that matter, the ones that have the in's.
QuoteBingo.
Mladin's purse was like $4k for the Laguna win.
The next weekend, Denning took home $8k from Yamaha alone at Blackhawk. Not a bad pay day.
Where are you Lightnin' Larry?
He and Robert Jensen would call each other.. "where you goin..ok, ill got to that other place.." :) and both did very will with Yamaha money.. THat is "club" racing.. is there more money than in AMA?
QuoteBingo.
Mladin's purse was like $4k for the Laguna win.
The next weekend, Denning took home $8k from Yamaha alone at Blackhawk. Not a bad pay day.
Add on that ULGP money, contingencies, etc. How many tires would you need to abuse at an AMA National to be competitive? Certainly not as many at a Yamaha weekend.
Costs about $70k to do an AMA season correctly anymore. I think Larry and Robert are pulling in more than that in Yamaha money. Don't have to tear the bike down every weekend either.