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Title: Retired General speaks his mind.
Post by: Gixxer124 on December 19, 2003, 06:54:55 PM
Subject: Gen. Hawley's pol. incorrect speech - a MUST READ!

For those who don't know General Hawley, he's a newly retired USAF 4-star general. He commanded the USAF Air Combat Command [our front-line fighters and bombers]. The Command headquarters is at Langley AFB, VA. General Hawley is now retired and no longer required to be politically correct. His short speech is very much to the point. The following are excerpts:

"Since the attack [9-11], I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are:

1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good"  doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our countr! y has, with all our mistakes and b lunders, always been and always will be the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens.

2) "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E --Well, you get the idea.  

3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community have failed us." For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and now that! the house has been robbed, we yel l at them for not protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After all, (they reasoned,) you can see a license plate from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hiya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella. "Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years.
4) "These people are poor a nd helpless, and that's why they're angry at us." Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohammed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the killing grounds is the son of a Cairo surgeon.  But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their final papers  and spend more time drinking. It's the same today.

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Post by: Gixxer124 on December 19, 2003, 06:55:20 PM
5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of repr! isals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. Please come back. Let's all stop singing "We Are  the World" for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say,  "Well, at least we didn't offend them."

SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists get away with their immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's  political science professor says, we didn't start this. Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "No More Pearl Harbors."

THIS NEEDS TO STAY IN CIRCULATION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE , & WILL FALL FOR THE STUPIDITY GOING AROUND. PLEASE PASS IT

God Bless America. Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas Often Tested, Alw! ays Faithful, Brothers Forever. Un ited States Marines
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Post by: Gixxer124 on December 19, 2003, 06:58:17 PM
Sorry, it's kind of long, but worth the time. ;)
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Post by: smoke on December 19, 2003, 07:07:25 PM
all things considering " he could have said a lot more"  the rumor mill up here is that there may be a book comming out that no one wants to hit the street.
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Post by: Super Dave on December 20, 2003, 02:49:15 AM
Thanks.  I enjoyed that. :)
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Post by: james-redsv on December 20, 2003, 04:14:29 AM
Excellent read and so true. God help us if Howard Dean becomes Pres, vote republican :(. Thank god Al Gore lost.  :D
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Post by: skydiver19 on December 20, 2003, 06:20:39 AM
Excellent.  It's interesting that the majority of the speeches, editorials, and various opinions I've seen circulated in support of the conflict and/or the current administration have been logical and eloquent.  The most frequent counter argument I hear from the mental giants on the other side is "Bush Sucks!!"  

I respect everyone's opinion and ideology.  But at least pretend you've chosen a side because you're informed and not because hollywood celebrities are on that side so being negative must be the cool thing to do.
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Post by: 251am on December 21, 2003, 09:31:35 PM
  When a plane is hijacked pilots are trained to activate their beacons. Four seconds later the tower and the FAA understand their bird has been jacked. It takes less than 5 minutes to scramble 16s to the White House from MD. Please explain how four hijacked airplanes received 20-30 minutes to meet their demises?  
Title: Re: Retired General speaks his mind.
Post by: Super Dave on December 22, 2003, 03:08:24 AM
I'll try.

Most hijackings have been with hostages and flying to a different place, etc.  At least that's what I remember from all the hijackings from the 70's.  

Yes, Islamic militants have blown some up.

But the events on September 11, 2001 marks the first time that Islamic miltants have used the planes themselves as bombs.  How was anyone to know?  Certainly the hours after the first plane hit changed the way that potential threats are acted upon.
Title: Re: Retired General speaks his mind.
Post by: Super_KC124 on December 22, 2003, 01:53:15 PM
QuoteExcellent.  It's interesting that the majority of the speeches, editorials, and various opinions I've seen circulated in support of the conflict and/or the current administration have been logical and eloquent.  The most frequent counter argument I hear from the mental giants on the other side is "Bush Sucks!!"  

I respect everyone's opinion and ideology.  But at least pretend you've chosen a side because you're informed and not because hollywood celebrities are on that side so being negative must be the cool thing to do.

One thing to keep in mind. Iraq didn't blow up the World Trade Center. Saudi Arabia had more to do with that than Iraq. ;)
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Post by: Super Dave on December 22, 2003, 04:47:26 PM
You're right, Kevin, but there are real links.  Saddam wasn't doing anything to stop it, no claims to stop it, etc.

We started in Afganistan, where we knew that al Quiada is.

Iraq...the UN resolutions that had been passed for the many years of the Clinton presidency basically admitted the stuff was there for the materials and the knowledge to produce the weaponry that is broadly known as WMD.  

How many years do you talk before doing something?  One, three...five?

The answer is taken now.  

The Saudi's themselves certainly didn't hijack American planes and kill people.  Those were Islamic militants.  

Iraq...is it right to toss out a man that we know had 300,000 people killed?  I mean, really, three-hundred thousand people...  The UN can just kiss my big white butt in a thong if that's there idea of keeping up with human rights.  Certainly, we can't do everything for everyone, but after twelve years of resolutions and things in addition to the current state of terrorism.  

I see no problem in what is being done in Iraq by US forces.  I support it.  It's hard to be right.

Finally, with a person in the seat to actually be the Commander in Chief, the power of the American Forces, the greatest beacon to hope and democracy in the world, can be used in the manner of good that it has to be used in.  

Again, is it easy?  No, but is anyone of the feeling that having a butcher and his regime in power in the Middle East a good thing, a safe thing, anything?
Title: Re: Retired General speaks his mind.
Post by: Super_KC124 on December 22, 2003, 06:39:59 PM
Quote 
I see no problem in what is being done in Iraq by US forces.  I support it.  It's hard to be right.

That was my point. The it's hard to be right part... kind of. ;D
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Post by: Super_KC124 on December 22, 2003, 06:43:21 PM
Quote The UN can just kiss my big white butt in a thong


eeeeeuuuuuuhhh!!!!! :o
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Post by: Kal on December 22, 2003, 07:58:19 PM
Quote When a plane is hijacked pilots are trained to activate their beacons. Four seconds later the tower and the FAA understand their bird has been jacked. It takes less than 5 minutes to scramble 16s to the White House from MD. Please explain how four hijacked airplanes received 20-30 minutes to meet their demises?  
Right now that is the case, we didn't have alert birds all over the country back then. We only had alert fighters on the coasts and borders.   Also airline pilots were trained to comply with hijackers and save the passengers lives.  Obviously the rules have changed.  Now if it were to happen again it would be a very different result.  I for one know I'd go down fighting before I'd let them take over the airplane.
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Post by: james-redsv on December 23, 2003, 12:29:13 AM
Doesnt everyone agree we have to kill the terrorist before they kill us? That is the main thing that came from 9/11, we have to take them out before they try to get us. Before 9/11 it was let them hit us and then we hit back, that policy was changed and I am glad it did ;D The libs dont understand this concept, they think if you love everyone all over the world they will love you back, not. They dont understand these fundamentalist Islamist do not want the USA to exist and will stop at nothing, even killing themselfs in the process, to destroy us. We have to identfy them and kill them or at the very least lock them up and throw away the key. We can also not be scared into not going about our everyday lives or they will win again. :D
Title: Re: Retired General speaks his mind.
Post by: Super_KC124 on December 23, 2003, 03:30:37 PM
Another thing to consider, would you be willing to go over there yourself and fight for your beliefs? Think about it. Talk is cheap. ;) Have a nice day. :)
Title: Re: Retired General speaks his mind.
Post by: Super Dave on December 24, 2003, 03:17:36 AM
Would I?  Yes, but I have put in my time.  

Most people don't put in time in the military anymore, and probably for good reason...they aren't cut out for that kind of work.
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Post by: Super_KC124 on December 24, 2003, 09:53:08 AM
SMS Kevin C. Clark USAFR Retired.  :)
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Post by: Howlin_Mad on December 28, 2003, 04:27:14 PM
QuoteAnother thing to consider, would you be willing to go over there yourself and fight for your beliefs? Think about it. Talk is cheap. ;) Have a nice day. :)

The answer is YES!  I have been a Marine for the past 20 years.  Retire in July.  Hope to meet some more of you this upcoming season.
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Post by: chris_chops on December 29, 2003, 11:24:15 AM
I wonder if the war websites talk about motorcycle roadracing?  I bet they do.  Thanks for the insight guys! ;)