They've got the race for this weekend marked as Cancelled on the schedule: http://www.formulausa.com/schedule.asp
..Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah :'(
What kind of f@cking bullshite is this!!! >:(
Yeah, when I look at the fire maps at http://wildfire.cr.usgs.gov/ the nearest blaze looks like it's almost 100 miles away.
...Although I hear that the smokes pretty impressive - even Vegas is swimming through it:
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Is this for real? Has anyone called to confirm this?
IF SO THIS SUCKS.
I tried to call CCS and Buttonwillow but, nobody answered. I plan on trying again first thing in the morning. :(
I take it that once a race is canceled, it's off the schedule for good?
It was because the weather was getting cooler. Heaven forbid that a SW race take place in less than 100 degrees. That, and the fact that I wasn't going to be there. ;)
There are going to be alot of pissed off racers that show up if it is cancelled, because alot of racers don't use this forum! CCS had better make an effort to contact all registered contestants personally!!! >:(
That would make far too much sense for CCS to do that so you know it won't happen. Unfortunately my guess is that some of the key people for the CCS Pacific/SW events are busy doing things far more important than a weekend of motorccyle racing and if that's the case I sure hope that everything turns out for the better.
One of the guys called the track at 1pm Pacific yesterday and they had no idea that CCS were considering cancelling the event. The track told us that they were unaffected by the fires raging to the south and the wind is taking the smoke inland towards Vegas.
If anyone from CCS is reading this post could you please confirm what is REALLY happening as the track appears to think the weekend is on and there are many people from Northern California that do not use this board and are planning to leave today.
Just spoke to Nicole at CCS and the weekend is definitely cancelled due to the fires.
What Simon said!
I called CCS this morning and they said that because of the fires they were having difficulty getting all their people out there even if they are no where near the actual track so, they cancelled it. Grrrrr,
Yep. I will confirm on top of that. The BW round is cancelled.
Just called BW and the practice day for tomorrow is still on for those that need their track 'fix'
Shockingly...I received two calls from CCS to inform me!
I was told they were cancelling the event "out of respect...like with 9/11." Yeah...right!
QuoteJust called BW and the practice day for tomorrow is still on for those that need their track 'fix'
So, you're not going, right? ;D
Me? No, I don't have to go on the track. I could give it up anytime I wanted to.
Simon
Trackaholics anonymous
For anyone who got everything packed and ready to go or just want to race this weekend, there's a race in New Mexico at Arroyo Seco (about 5 hours from Phoenix). The Formula Arroyo class has a good payout, last month it was $550 for first and paid back to 10th. Saturday is a track day, and races are all on Sunday. They also have a Supermoto race. For more info: //www.asmaracing.com
-z.
I just email this to kevin.
Dear Kevin
The fires in southern California are a tragedy. Canceling this event is also a tragedy for CCS. From my understanding the event was canceled because the CCS crew was going to have a difficult time reaching the event. If anyone from the CCS has lost their house I'm truly saddened for them. Are you aware the AMA is still going to run there Supermotard event in Southern California?
This event was probably going to have one of the biggest turn outs so far for CCS pacific region. I know just about everyone the normally races CCS were going to be there. The AFM season is over and many AFMers were going to come out and give CCS a try. In fact I even got on one of the local forums last week and challenged many of the AFM racers to come down, If they were man enough. I know of at least 10 AFMer that were going to make it. Who knows how many more that were going to come that I did not know about. Even on the AFM only forum, the guys that were planning on going are angry and talking.
One thing that bothers me is that the racers should have had a chance to put their input in. Brain Long, Jason Catchings and myself your top three guys in the pacific and your top guys in the southwest were all planning on going. Yet none of us were contacted asking what we thought. We along with all of the racers spend a lot of money every race weekend and have sacrificed other things in our lives to race and go after the points race. This could effect many racers championships that they have worked so hard for all year long. This personally could effect me from keeping my third place for the overall championship. This race should be rescheduled.
I'm concerned for the future of CCS. I personally have put a lot of effort and money into CCS hoping that the organization would turn thing around. CCS has lost many of there racers to other organizations and I'm afraid that CCS will continue to do so. CCS has a lot of offer racers but I feel that we are the last to know and are an annoyance to CCS. Yet we are the ones spending the money that supports the races.
If you are noticing that I'm a little frustrated I am. Its not just this race but things like the points taking months to get updated and when they are there wrong. (I'll be sending another separate email about that my points are wrong.) I know that CCS is a for profit organization but if a organizations does not keep it customers happy then there is never going to be any profit.
I do not want to just have a complaint and not have any input. I know that the CCS staff is short handed. A thought for next year that I think would benefit the racer and also benefit CSS would be to set up a board of racers or racers reps that could take concerns and solutions to CSS and be heard. These racers reps would be volunteers that could be the voice of the racers. Then once a month the racers concerns could then be presented you CCS in a organized manner. This could take some of the load of you guys. I for one would volunteer.
I would like to see CCS grow but if something does not happen soon the CCS is not going to make. I personally do not know one racer that races in the CCS that is not frustrated with the organization right now.
Sincerely
Garth Dillon
CCS # 19 Pacific and Southwest
AFM # 419
Ya know, the fire bruned to within a half mile of my house, and I for one weas looking foreward to this weekend as an escape from the fires and stress that they have brought on myself and my family this week past.
I will however be at BW on friday, and I am quite sure that BW will have a trackday on sat and sunday if there is enough interest.
Excellent email, Garth! I emailed Kevin as well as just received a dose of attitude! Good luck!
FIRES....SCHMIRES
Everyone knows that CCS cancelled the event 'cuz they found out that I wasn't going to be there. ;D
This actually HELPS my points lead in my classes (SW anyways).
See you all at Firebird. ;D
Word from Kari at Buttonwillow:
Saturday, Nov 1st they will be holding a track day. The cost is $145. Riders do not have to pay a gate fee, any crew/spectators will pay a $10 gate fee.
The schedule is as follows:
Gates open at 7:30
Riders Meeting at 8:45
Track is open from 9-5
I do not know if there are multiple groups/sessions, but I wanted to post what I have.
Warren and Les were nice enough to run both friday and sat for us all to practice.
They also informed us that there will be no make up round at BW this year.
Will CCS run at BW next year?
QuoteWill CCS run at BW next year?
I hope not.
Damn dude, I figured you wouldn't want them to run at Vegas! At least there are no concrete walls at BW!
Are you going to be able to make it out to Firebird for the last race of the year?
QuoteDamn dude, I figured you wouldn't want them to run at Vegas! At least there are no concrete walls at BW!
Are you going to be able to make it out to Firebird for the last race of the year?
Yeah Will, I'll be there. I'll be dialin' the new R6. I hope to hold some of my points leads in my classes. So tell Tristen to stay up late and party. ;D I'll see you guys there.
On another note...I have my 2000 R6 for sale. It needs an upper fairing but otherwise it is exactly as I raced it. And yes.. it is totally straight. I want $4,000.00 for it. I think that's fair, the bike is plenty fast. Maybe you know of someone that might be interested. I'll help get it to CA. if I need to.
I'll see you in Phoenix,
Later,
Dave
You guys all missed an AWESOME weekend at Arroyo (New Mexico) this past weekend! The Arroyo Secco group are way more friendly and racer oriented that CCS could ever hope to be...and they have a great track! Check it out next time CCS screws you over!
Not a bad letter Garth. But my name has no s on the end of it. :o You would think CCS would of called say the top 10 plate holders to let them know whats going on. I know I am spending more than $2500 a weekend and thats not includeing the cost of labor. I also received a phone call from Tom @ Pirelli(which happen to be the best tires)that he arrived @ Buttonwillow and no one had contacted him and informed the event had been cancelled. How many other vendors made the trip and were not informed? ??? CCS really needs to take a look hard look in the mirror about some polices and issues. In the long run they will drive off the people who have supported them from the begining. :'( So Streets here we come
QuoteYou guys all missed an AWESOME weekend at Arroyo (New Mexico) this past weekend! The Arroyo Secco group are way more friendly and racer oriented that CCS could ever hope to be...and they have a great track! Check it out next time CCS screws you over!
Glad ya had fun out there. :) Now you can kinda see why we race ASMA as our priority. Much more of a "club racer" attitude & laid back there. Roger, the guy who runs the show, was one of those fed up with other orgs racers, and took ASMA over. It's been great ever since. Can't say enough good things about it, and it's just going to get better. Plus, I love the track.
Hope to see ya out there sometime again! :)
Hey Dave that's great news you'll be out there I dont know if I even have a chance to contend with your points lead. I was notified I can't race a 600 until I turn 16 so there goes my season! :'(
QuoteHey Dave that's great news you'll be out there I dont know if I even have a chance to contend with your points lead. I was notified I can't race a 600 until I turn 16 so there goes my season! :'(
When did they tell you that??!!!!?
You've been racing the 6 all year, NOW they tell you that you can't?? Who told you?? I've never heard of that before.
When do you turn 16?? Will it be before the beginning of next season?? It seem to be a real shame, you have a lot of talent and they are holding you back by not letting you race the 6.
Sorry about spelling your name wrong. Don't feel to bad I made a lot of typos in that letter now that I read it again.
;D
Dave,
We'll be at Firebird and BW. I dont care if I have to build or buy a top shelf SV650, we'll be there.
Can they really do that? Surely there's a precedent that's been set by allowing Tristan to race all year on the ZX?
If he's not allowed to race for the last round of each region that sucks.
No precedent, no exceptions... I guess its a rule we missed... Looks like we wont be at any of the races the rest of the year, and just make a strong charge next year.
Sure would like to know who pointed it out so late in the season, when the championship is being contested... I guess if you cant win based on talent, you can win on guile...
Oh well... Start planning for 2004 now...
I tried to talk Decreasing_Dave out of reporting you, but he just wouldn't listen. I mean, hell, I have a huge lead on you in all of the classes I race in, so it wasn't me. ;D
Seriously, though, that sucks man. To race all season and to have them tell you that you can't race the last round is a load of crap (to put it mildly).
Thats F@cking B@llsh@t that thay won't let you race. Dude CCS is really pissing me off lately. It thats the rules then they should have not let you race in the first place. But to let you and then tell you no before the last race is just wrong.
QuoteThats F@cking B@llsh@t that thay won't let you race. Dude CCS is really pissing me off lately. It thats the rules then they should have not let you race in the first place. But to let you and then tell you no before the last race is just wrong.
Perhaps his age was not shared until recently.....
Just a thought :-/
Dawn
The rule in question....
2.1 CCS AGE REQUIREMENT - Applicants must be at least 14 years of age. Applicants below the age of majority in their home state must provide a notarized statement of permission from a legal parent or guardian. Championship Cup Series reserves the right to restrict participation in any event based on age and/or specific track regulations.
2.1.1 Riders between the ages of 14 and 16 are limited to Lightweight Class machinery.
2.1.2 Riders under the age of 16 are not permitted to compete at Daytona International Speedway.
Dawn :)
That really sucks Dude. I was really looking forward to battling with you one last time before seasons end. I had a lotta fun racing with you this year and wathing you get fast overnite, congrats on a good year even though it ended like this. Look forward to racing against you next year , you are gonna go expert right? When will you be 16?
Well later Tristan
Yeah I am mad but oh well the rules are the rules. Dawn, they knew i was 14 the whole season" Tristan Schoenewald, only 14 ..." that is what the announcer would say! I am gonna race expert next year for sure so I will see ya''ll next year and have a great time at the last two rounds.(without me) :'(
Dawn,
Your age has to be shared when you get your lisc, a notarized copy of your birth certificate. Someone evidently called and complainded that Tristan was too young. God knows he cant handle that big scary bike. I guess I shoudl really put away the big mean Ducati Ive got sitting in the garage before it scares him.
Theres always next year. I wonder if he can run as an AM for 2004 now?? LOL
QuoteI tried to talk Decreasing_Dave out of reporting you, but he just wouldn't listen. I mean, hell, I have a huge lead on you in all of the classes I race in, so it wasn't me. ;D
Doug, Doug, Doug....when are you going to learn...
Bashing me over the forum will not make you faster than me....
I know that you have to ride "the big bike" to compensate for.....well lets just say the "littler things" in life....and yet I still beat you. Tisk Tisk
;D
Two questions:
Why do people get upset when they get caught breaking the rules?
Why do you automatically assume someone turned you in?
I find this conversation highly entertaining based on the fact that you got caught doing something you weren't supposed to be doing (inadvertantly because it's looks as though you didn't actaully read the rulebook) and can't wait to place the blame on someone else.
ROFLMAO
I had no idea that we were "breaking the rules" no one ever mentioned it to us, tech, reg, nada. Call it an oversight.
I was told someone "turned us in" for being the rule breaking outlaws that we are. And for winning a races.
Theres no "blame" the AM championship just isnt that hearbreaking to us. Its no big deal, rules are rules, and well deal with it. Next year, he can run that big scary 600 all year....
Guess we'll just have to do it all over again next year.
FYI you can run up a class ie run lightweight equipment in Middleweight classes
QuoteDawn,
I guess I should really put away the big mean Ducati Ive got sitting in the garage before it scares him.
It must be a Ducati Monster.
;D
Thats good ;D ;D ;D
Yeah, Dave... Monster.. LOL... 996RS....
Eric, That is what they told us, but we have a 2003 ZX6RR for a race bike, and it just isnt worth buying and building a race bike for just two races in the AM classes... But thanks for the pointer....
Dooooooode. If Will ever offers to ride his Ducati, don't take the offer! 2nd gear all the way down the front straight at Buttonwillow scared the living s**t outtta me!!!! I wish we could just go and buy bikes like that but too bad we can't!
Dooooooode. If Will ever offers to ride his Ducati, don't take the offer! 2nd gear all the way down the front straight at Buttonwillow scared the living s**t outtta me!!!! I wish we could just go and buy bikes like that but too bad we can't!
Will:
Months ago folks pointed out to me various posts you have made to this board directed at me without mentioning my name. Discussing the number of classes I race and my performance index and my buying a championship. And this thread regarding the rule violation and rumors that it was me who "turned Tristian in." I have decided not to respond all season to such posts. It is just not my nature. I ride my bike and don't say much. But I decided to address you here after all.
I found out about this thred last week and contacted CCS and asked them to let Tristian finish his final 2 rounds on his 600. I have always had nothing but respect for you, Daniel, and Tristian, who I have referred to all season as "the Kid." I have nothing but respect for his talent and feel lucky to be where I am considering his amazing improvements this season. Someday, when he is a star, I will be able to say I battled for an amateur championship with him.
I decided to race a lot of classes early in the season to get as much experience my first year ever racing a motorcycle. At 39, I don't aspire to be an AMA star. I will turn 40 the weekend of Streets and hope to race Formula 40. My early season results were good and once I took the overall points lead, I decided to keep doing a lot a classes to keep it. This is the Brian Long strategy after all. I have not heard people complain about his winning 4 overall championships running 14 races a weekend. I run 10 races. Have been doing so since the 3rd round. It has not been easy.
I crashed badly at the 2nd Arizona round, and totaled my 02 R6 in the first Vegas round. This left me missing a 1.5 rounds and running a 60 hp bike for 2 rounds. My results during that time took my performance index from the 700s to below 500. Then I got a better bike and improved somewhat. When you run 10 races a weekend, it is a little hard to keep a high performance index.
Tristian can run 10 races and win. He really has little competition in most races (save for the likes of Simon, Doug, Brian Hall, Dave etc). But my efforts have also put me in the lead in 6 classes. I don't discuss my efforts, I just ride. I have ended up where I am despite missing many races due to crashes or finishing poorly due to a weak bike. But I have just continued to race. Where I am now is a product of those efforts. That is racing.
If they won't let Tristian run his 600, then you guys should run the SV650 you said you are getting. Don't just give in. At both Firebird and Streets, an SV650 is probably a better bike than a 600 anyway. Those are not horsepower tracks. They are technical. And you can race in 13 classes. I will be there to race as I have all season. I hope Tristain will be there too. He is a good kid with buckets of talent, I am am privilaged to have raced with him. If he takes the title from me, then thats racing.
The title is based on points. I did not write the rule book. I have done 87 races this season. It has been a long season. Quite frankly if the title were based on performance index or pure talent, I think Brian Hall would have the monopoly on the title and Tristian would be his closest competition. But it is based on points. I don't pretend to have the talent of many guys I race with. But on days when my bike is running good and I in in my zone, I don't do so bad.
This is the only title I may ever hope to win, but I don't want to win it any other way than the way I have been doing so all year, showing up and racing and doing my best, regardless of bad luck, bad bikes, crashes, weather, or anything else. I hope to see you guys at the rest of the races. Watching Tristian ride has been a treat. I plan to follow his career for a long time and will root for him as he rises to the top.
John Wehrli
It is however my nature to respond to the insinuations and accusations that have been made via this board and in person, to and about my team. It has been suggested that the response that I desire is, ahem, not condusive to sportsman like conduct so I have refrained. But, I will say,
Yeah....everything that he said, ditto that from me.
Amber Berry
www.umbrellagirlsusa.com
John,
There has never been any sort of direct attack on you, nor one implied. I have seen a flaw in the points system from the get go, and that is why I had suggested, and asked for a rules change several times. This wont happen for obvious reasons.
I never implied who contacted CCS and asked for Tristan's points to be removed, I have no idea, and dont make it a habit of jumping to conclusions. I do think it was a BS thing to do, but rules are rules.
You dont know me very well, but I will tell you that im not a person to make "veiled" comments. I say whats on my mind, and I really dont give a crap what anyone thinks about what I say. My opinion is mine, and if you dont agree with it, tough sh1t. Its a good and bad thing, but if I knew that you called and complained, you would have seen a big post saying "John quit being a crybaby". didnt see that one did ya? :)
I have tried from the get go to be nice and outgoing towards you, and your team and team-mates, I cant think of a time when I have been less than. Have I?
We never set out to win a championship, nor to win a race, just to get Tristans feet wet in racing. Hell, we made him run the Sportsman classes for the first 4 rounds so he could ease into it. You have to understand the Am championship really isnt that big of a deal for Tristan or for any of us. Tristan being safe, and continuing to learn is the important part. One year does not a racer make.
We are going to test an SV, and maybe build one for next year, but His heart is in riding a 600, and the faster it is the better. Getting on an SV or such is kinda a step backwards when the AMA is running 1000cc superbikes.
If you say you didnt file the complaint with CCS then I believe you, It really doesnt matter who did, or even that it was filed. The rules are the rules, and so be it. I do appreciate your call to CCS asking that Tristan be allowed to continue. Hell I think that the Pac region is the only one that is actually being contested in the whole damn series. If Tristan had his 600, you two would be in 10 races together, and the championship would literally come down to the last race of the day sort of thing. How cool would that have been?
I guess the thing I am having the hardest time with is the motivation to call and complain about Tristan. I mean, I could see it if was riding out of control, or dangerous, but to ask that all his points are taken away, and that he not be allowed to race his 600. I dont get it. Its been no secret hes a kid, everyone knows, someone was holding it as their "secret weapon" but to what end I dont know? His age doesnt take away his wins, ya know? Hell I think you know that as well as anyone. Im NOT saying its you dude, I just dont get the motivation. Why try to derail an enthusiastic kid with some talent that is even a good student? Thats the part that bugs me, not the points, not the riding, and not the championship.
I will be seeing you on Monday at the Streets. I cant reccomend strongly enough that you follow in Simons footsteps and book some time with Doug Polen for one on one instruction, it will teach you more than you could even imagine.
No hard feelings here, and dude, its just racing, its supposed to be FUN.
Amber, in not sure fo what you mean, read whatever into what I have said you like, but if meant John, I would have said John. That simple.
That was well stated John, but what really caught my attention was....
QuoteI will turn 40 the weekend of Streets and hope to race Formula 40.
John Wehrli
DUDE...you're old!!!!!!
;D
But, you're younger and look ALOT older. ;D
QuoteBut, you're younger and look ALOT older. ;D
D*mn...that's just f*cked up.
You know my feelings hurt easy >:(
Well, you can take it out on me this weekend. See you at the track. ;D
QuoteDUDE...you're old!!!!!!
Hey, I resemble that remark!
For what it's worth, NO ONE called in and asked for anyone's points to be taken away, nor for anyone's finishes to be disqualified.