How it is again that CCS does the move from AM to expert? I have 780ish points total and didn't know if that or the performance index (whatever that is) has anything to do with it. Also, can you petition to remain novice like WERA if it is your first qualifying year?
anyone over 500 points will be on the list to be upgraded to EX, also anyone who has won a regional championship or finished top 5 at the ROC.
You can always petition to stay AM. Just prepare a petition letter to send in along with your license renewal, and you will receive a decision there after.
500? Wow that is low. Since they pay points back to 50 and have some double points weekends it seems almost impossible to not accrue that many in one season. My points are from only 2 weekends. What is this performance index and how is it calculated?
performance index is:
1000*(1 - (finishing position-1)/number of total finishers)
if you finish first, you will have 1000. If you finish last, it depend on how many people are in the race.
Yes 500 point is kind of low, especially with rising number of events, and double points events, and twin sprints events.
for 03, 96 out of 310 amateurs in Mid-Atlantic past the 500 mark. I think they should raise the bar to maybe 700 or so.
But the point is for racers to gain experience. So even if you only raced 2 weekend, you entered a few races.
It all depend on if they think going EX is an requirement or privelige.
If you got over 700 points in only 2 race weekends than you must have had plenty of real good finishes unless they were both double points and you ran a lot of classes
Well the 500 pts to expert (according to Tiff) is in the selected classes (SS, SB, SBK, GT's). Rule book itself just says 500 pts in a 12 month period with nothing about only with certain classes.
Try this one on for size.. I raced 23 races this year in 4 different classes. 3 of the 4 classes I run in, don't count toward total points so I only have 129 total points for the season. Now, is this considered sandbagging? Out of the 23 races, 21 were top 10, and 8 of those were top 5's. I just picked my races... I didn't write the rules. :-/
well supposely the races that don't count toward total points are considered not too "competitive". Sometimes when you race sportsman its impossible to not finish top 3 :)
So again, is the philosophy for bumping someone because they are experienced or for them being fast and competitive. Someone races 100 races in sportsman will never get upgraded, yet they are very experienced...
Just a thought.
With your points/Perf index, (787/431.4 is that you?) you shouldn't have too much a problem petitioning to stay AM. I'm petitioning with 3 weekends of race experience (1412/787.2). I was told by the authority herself that I'd be "approved". I did not win anything nor did I go to ROC. I just hope she doesn't change her mind... :-/ or else I'm gonna get killed next year.
with over 1400 points you can stay Am.? What is the sense of even having a 500 point advancement rule then? I raced 3 weekends this year and only got 609 points with a P.E. of 848.9 and am torn about whether to petition to stay Am. or not. I want to go expert, but it is mainly a financial thing to stay Am. because if I go expert I won't be in the running for contingencies since the payouts are mostly the same and as everyone knows this game aint cheap.
QuoteWith your points/Perf index, (787/431.4 is that you?) you shouldn't have too much a problem petitioning to stay AM. I'm petitioning with 3 weekends of race experience (1412/787.2). I was told by the authority herself that I'd be "approved". I did not win anything nor did I go to ROC. I just hope she doesn't change her mind... :-/ or else I'm gonna get killed next year.
Man Greg, if you don't get approved, you would be racing with me, ned, hector and a slew of others competitively.Unless I go a lot faster all of a sudden come spring,, you mean we all gonna get killed ? ::)
although, I am working on the getting alot faster thing. My arm would be able to heal more, and have great equipment next year hehe
Quotewith over 1400 points you can stay Am.? What is the sense of even having a 500 point advancement rule then? I raced 3 weekends this year and only got 609 points with a P.E. of 848.9 and am torn about whether to petition to stay Am. or not. I want to go expert, but it is mainly a financial thing to stay Am. because if I go expert I won't be in the running for contingencies since the payouts are mostly the same and as everyone knows this game aint cheap.
I have rerely seen a full grid for EX ULGP and Sportbike. So there is 2 checks that is almost garanteed, unless you are real slow.
Racing EX has its rewards, I don't have to spend $$$ in Feb to get a good grid spot.
As for the AM purses and contingencies. Ya plans are always good, and you enjoy it when you are in it. But you never know what could happen during the season ... lesson learned here.
i think that my confidence is a little low, so I will
petition to stay AM... for next year. Then the year after that, and the year after that...then I'll go expert
sandbagg and do horrible then petition again to be
Amateur for my 6th year.... then if i'm lucky I will
be able to buy a championship....and still get in the way of others. Dejavu eh Simon?
:o
Arnie,
Had I not crashed last event (twice), I'd probably have around 1800 pts and about the same PE as you... I DNF 2 races (running 2nd in both) and DNS 4 races, and placed a 2nd and 4th. I would still be petitioning. (All 3 events were double points, by the way: FUSA VIR/SUMMIT and VIR SEPT)
My thing isn't finishes, so much as experience. I've been on the track 11 times now...total...inconsistently over the last 2 years. 3 races, 1 school, and 6 (and 1/2) track days.
3 on VIR S which ain't worth a @#$% anyway
I haven't raced Roebling, Daytona or Barber yet. I've seen Summit once.
I came out pretty good early, but I have a LOT to learn, and I can learn it by racing @ 100% in Amateur next year, vs "trying" to learn riding at 110% with you guys. (And probably crashing out 1/2 the time...)
another example?
D Kelly had MANY more races last yr than I did this year, more points as well, and he raced all this year in Am.
Quotei think that my confidence is a little low, so I will
petition to stay AM... for next year. Then the year after that, and the year after that...then I'll go expert
sandbagg and do horrible then petition again to be
Amateur for my 6th year.... then if i'm lucky I will
be able to buy a championship....and still get in the way of others. Dejavu eh Simon?
:o
if you try to sandbag they will MAKE you move up :P Besides, they are more money to be had as EX anyway ;)
Greg,
I am not knocking your decision as I will prob. do the same since I only raced at Summit this year. Although I believe both you and I would be fine in expert battling out back in mid pack while slower Ams. are collecting that valuable tire contingency. It is CCS system that I have issue with. They need a good solid advancement rule and stick with it, then there will be no complaining of sandbagging. It is their system that allows it. 500 points is a joke since they don't enforce it and it is too little under their current system. They could use the 500 cutoff if they kept it separate from regional points and didn't count double points for advancement and say only gave advancement points if you finished in the top 25% of your class. It is obvius that they aren't advancing many people when you look at the difference in the grid sizes between am. and expert.
I can't disagree. I think 1000pts is a better cutoff, which would highlight the more consistent racers, but that's still open to consideration of all other aspects that are looked at in the decision making process.
I mean if I entered all 11 races I could in MW, at a double points weekend, and finish top 10 every race....I'm Expert material???? uh... no.
Problem is, there are way too many different circumstances/scenarios to have set-in-stone rule(s) for bumping, so I think we can trust in Tiff's judgement at the end of the year, as she will look at the rider's overall performance, experience, consistency, etc... at an individual level, and make the right choice.
PS. I'm still an amateur. ;)