Anyone have any idea what the CCS Road America dates for next season will be?
I'm trying to figure out my long term work schedule and don't want to miss out on the best track in my back yard...
I've heard grumblings that we would only be there in the spring and then I have heard that we won't be there at all. It's all a $$$ issue.
I hope we go back, that's our closest track and Paul loves it.
Dawn :-/
QuoteAnyone have any idea what the CCS Road America dates for next season will be?
I'm trying to figure out my long term work schedule and don't want to miss out on the best track in my back yard...
I am doing the same with my work schedule also. Yes it would be nice to know one way or the other. Any ideas on when the 2004 schedule will be out.... anyone? Tiff... help us out baby!
CCS is NOT listed on the Road America site for 2004 dates...yet. Hopefully we'll at least get to go there in the spring. I imagine the FUSA competitors might have missed it this year.
We're going to NESBA this weekend there...YAY! But no camping...booooo.
Heather
QuoteI imagine the FUSA competitors might have missed it this year.
But instead we went to Heartland Park when it was 100* and luckily not Road America where it was 78* that same weekend! :o
Don't get me wrong, I like Heartland Park, but at that time of the season it would make more sense to be at a northern track where it's not as hot. Road America's park like setting helps to keep things somewhat cooler during the hot summer months with all the trees and shade available and the long fast layout helps to keep you cooler also. I think Heartland Park (which is like a big paved frying pan :o) would be better utilized as one of the 1st races of the year like it use to be, and possibly again in middle September.
Yeah, but I race in the Great Lakes region and Kansas is definitely closer to the Great Lakes than...oh wait a minute...
Someone at CCS HQ must be looking at a different map. >:(
Heck, the only reason I ran CCS instead of W@RA was because of the two RA dates. I viewed the schedule change as dishonest and I was not happy.
I haven't complained about it because others did. It appears no one listened.
So, I'm one of those quiet guys that will vote with my feet and I'll probably go W@RA next season. I'm sure as hell not going to be able to take time off work and family to hike all the way to Kansas.
Too bad, I had a great time with the racing peeps in the MW region.
Searching the site.. last year, the 2003 'tentative' schedule came out Dec. 7 -> http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=4838
RA has raised its rates through the roof. I believe the best CCS/FUSA could have done there would have been a $40k plus loss. Really not acceptable. Want higher entry fees next year? That would do it, substantially.
I did hear a rumor that there will be no RA dates for CCS.
QuoteI did hear a rumor that there will be no RA dates for CCS.
>:( :( ??? :'( ...sniff...sniff!!!
Now if Great Lakes Region ran at Blackhawk, Gingerman, Grattan, Putnam Park and that new track in Pennsylvania, I'd be a very happy man. Topeka, Birmingham and Omaha are at least three tanks of gas away from the nearest great lake, so I think that going there is a bit excessive. Am I the only one? Maybe we could start an E mail campaign.
QuoteNow if Great Lakes Region ran at Blackhawk, Gingerman, Grattan, Putnam Park and that new track in Pennsylvania, I'd be a very happy man. Topeka, Birmingham and Omaha are at least three tanks of gas away from the nearest great lake, so I think that going there is a bit excessive. Am I the only one? Maybe we could start an E mail campaign.
Count me in! People weren't to upset about Barber because they wanted to race there. Hey, it doesn't have to be in your region to race there if you want. Just don't make racers going for points travel 1500 miles! >:(
Quote Want higher entry fees next year? That would do it, substantially.
I did hear a rumor that there will be no RA dates for CCS.
Yeah, but...consider the cost of missing at least one extra day of work, if not two, as well as travel expenses, lodging, gas, etc. and you'd probably be better off with the higher entry fees of RA, not to mention that it's a better facility.
Uh oh...rant coming on...
What bothers me is that someone, somewhere jerked us around. Did CCS not work out the financial arrangements with RA before last season? Did Ra reneg? Didn't CCS have a contract and, if not, why didn't they take care of business six months before the event? These schedules and committments were worked out long in advance, weren't they? Whether it was RA or CCS or the owner of BHF that just happens to also own Heartland I don't know and never will. I'm not an insider to these arrangements. I'm just a regular guy being misled and in this case I, along with many others, am the "jerkee". I forgive mistakes. I forgive people that bump me off the track.
But I really dislike being jerked around.
BTW, none of the track day schools cancelled their dates at RA this summer. Did they have to pony up extra money for track rental? Why didn't they all just go to Kansas?
I suppose I should have gotten this all out of my system last summer...rant off.
Oh and one more thing, I'm not using any of those stupid smiley face things to lighten the moment.
So there.
Ok, just one. :P
QuoteOh and one more thing, I'm not using any of those stupid smiley face things to lighten the moment.
So there.
Ok, just one. :P
LOL!!!!!
;D
That's OK Don, just let it out... You'll feel better.
Dawn ;)
QuotePeople weren't to upset about Barber because they wanted to race there.
You hit it right on the nose. Barber is way out of the Great Plains region, but was probably worth going to. But PLEASE give us back Hallett. That is smack dab in the middle of the Great Plains, and is a fun track! (Please, no complaining that Hallett is to far away. Stick to the Great Lakes or Midwest region if it is too far. Rant: I can't stand the people that complain that a track is 5 hours or more from where they live. All except one are that far or more from me.)
PS - Hallett is 10 hours away from me, but is still worth going to.
QuoteRant: I can't stand the people that complain that a track is 5 hours or more from where they live. All except one are that far or more from me.
Our "home" track is BHF which is 4 hours and 15 minutes from our house provided I-90 isn't backed up. Can I complain because all the other tracks that the MW runs are 8+ hours now that RA is no longer on the schedule?
Dawn ;)
QuoteStick to the Great Lakes or Midwest region if it is too far.
But that's my point. I live on the Michigan/Ind. border. I'm in the Great Lakes region and they sent the d@mn race to Kansas!
QuoteStick to the Great Lakes or Midwest region if it is too far.
Doh, let's try that again...
But that's my point. I live on the Michigan/Ind. border. I'm in the Great Lakes region and they sent the d@mn race to Kansas!
QuoteYou hit it right on the nose. Barber is way out of the Great Plains region, but was probably worth going to. But PLEASE give us back Hallett. That is smack dab in the middle of the Great Plains, and is a fun track! (Please, no complaining that Hallett is to far away. Stick to the Great Lakes or Midwest region if it is too far. Rant: I can't stand the people that complain that a track is 5 hours or more from where they live. All except one are that far or more from me.)
PS - Hallett is 10 hours away from me, but is still worth going to.
I live in Rockford, Illinois (right near BHF at the Wis./Ill. border) and I am considered Great plains? For me driving to Barber or Hallet is about the same distance, 12 to 13 hours. I think I am no more GP region as Barber is, but I would go again if it was on the schedule. My only real complaint is the timing of these events, those southern events for us should be when it's toward the start and end of the season to better utilize the weather at that time of the year.
QuoteYou hit it right on the nose. Barber is way out of the Great Plains region, but was probably worth going to. But PLEASE give us back Hallett. That is smack dab in the middle of the Great Plains, and is a fun track! (Please, no complaining that Hallett is to far away. Stick to the Great Lakes or Midwest region if it is too far. Rant: I can't stand the people that complain that a track is 5 hours or more from where they live. All except one are that far or more from me.)
PS - Hallett is 10 hours away from me, but is still worth going to.
Here's an idea.
Great Plains:
Heartland Park
Mid America
Hallett
Gateway
Midwest:
Blackhawk Farms
Putnam
Gateway
Road America
Great Lakes:
Gingerman
Blackhawk Farms
Road America
Gratten
That was easy. ;D (Barber is in the Southeast region :P)
I am in Detroit now, so all the tracks except Gingerman are 6-10 hours away. Even Gingerman is almost 4 hours, and the Great Lakes Region only had two rounds there.
Where is the Great Lakes home track? It seems like BHF is the catch-all for all three regions. Should it be. I would like to have more rounds at Gingerman instead of traveling to Gateway twice.
I had suggested on another topic something similar to what KC 124 just suggested. The big difference I think would benefit everyone is to have less events per season / per region, but at the same time more optional races thru going to the other 2 regions races if so desired. This way you could run something like 10 events in your home region, and still have the option of running the other 2 regions events that don't include your own, possibly adding 4-8 more events total to your season if so desired. Those extra events could include 1 or 2 single region events in both of the other regions, and 2 to 4 double region events combining the other 2 together.
Doing this would supply us with a mixture of events, even if just following 1 region. A single region with 10 events would then have something like 1 or 2 single region events, 2 to 4 double region events, and 4 to 7 triple region events. For those of us looking to follow 2 or 3 regions we would then have the option of running 13 to 18 events if so desired, depending on how the events got combined.
Another benefit of this would be scheduling of some of the events would then focus more on tracks convenient to that region, not all 3 regions. This would then possibly allow for more variety between the 3 regions in the tracks used, instead of just focusing on a few tracks. I would definately be interested in having Putnam, Heartland Park, & Brainerd back on at least 1 of the schedules. I have only been to Gratten once before, and have a mixed opinion about the place, but I would be interested in trying it again if on one of the schedules. An event at Barber would also be awesome if it payed points to at least 1 of the 3 Midwest regions.