Tamada disqualified for rough riding and Hopkins disqualifed from the next round for taking out three riders in the first corner. ???
Tamada's move did kinda suck but I'm not sure the penalty was right. Didn't see the Hopkins incident but he apologized for it. Being banned for a race is pretty steep. Is the FIM on some kind of mission to crack down on everything?
This means Hayden took 3rd! Sweet ;D
Tamada was quite pushy up front there going by both Hayden and Gibernau. He basically thumped both of them to the outside of the corner while braking to get by. Hayden just recovered better. He was fine passing the slower guys but was really jamming it in there to get by the fast guys. He is as fast as the other motogp guys but I think he lacks the gp-level experience and patience it takes to make clean passes up front. Look at how Rossi came back to 2nd, fast riding and clean passes. Tamada has to learn that lesson quick or he is going to hurt someone, hence the DQ.
They didnt show the hopkins crash on tv so I didnt get to see that one. But if you look at his interview, he at least did not blame the other riders for being in his chosen line (run off path) and say they had no business being on the track because they were slower then him. ;D
How about them Hondas though?
I believe Tamada is the only GP rider on Bridgestones too(but I may be wrong).
Jeff
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QuoteTamada was quite pushy up front there going by both Hayden and Gibernau. He basically thumped both of them to the outside of the corner while braking to get by. Hayden just recovered better. He was fine passing the slower guys but was really jamming it in there to get by the fast guys. He is as fast as the other motogp guys but I think he lacks the gp-level experience and patience it takes to make clean passes up front. Look at how Rossi came back to 2nd, fast riding and clean passes. Tamada has to learn that lesson quick or he is going to hurt someone, hence the DQ.
They didnt show the hopkins crash on tv so I didnt get to see that one. But if you look at his interview, he at least did not blame the other riders for being in his chosen line (run off path) and say they had no business being on the track because they were slower then him. ;D
How about them Hondas though?
Look again... it was a 100% legitimate move. The more experieced GP guys have done alot worse in the past without any consequences. Tamada was a half bike length in front before they entered the brake zone. Bet if Rossi pulled the same move on Gibernau... there would be no DQ and you would've thought that Rossi was god. ::)
QuoteBet if Rossi pulled the same move on Gibernau... there would be no DQ and you would've thought that Rossi was god. ::)
Are you trying to deny that Rossi is a motorcycle deity?
QuoteLook again... it was a 100% legitimate move. The more experieced GP guys have done alot worse in the past without any consequences. Tamada was a half bike length in front before they entered the brake zone.
I still have it recorded at home so I'll check it out. It looked to me like he rubbed past them (contact through the entire the pass) but I could be wrong. I dont think they would have made a big deal out of it if he just bumped one guy, but it happened on a couple of his passes.
There are advantages to being a champ instead of a rookie. For one, you are less likely to become an object lesson for the rest of the field. :D
QuoteAre you trying to deny that Rossi is a motorcycle deity?
everyone knows the only motorcycle deity is Doriano Romboni ???
Kwak, seriously, you've gotta drop the crack habit.
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where did you get that picture of Doriano Romboni wheeling past the checkered flag during the wet race? I hear Rossi tries to look like him from time to time.
What say you let me ride that TZ and try to emulate the Kwak Attack?
It looked to me that Tamada did the usual Japanese at home riding...ie kamakazi! I forced his way past Gibernau to get on the box at his home venue and made contact with a top rider...he may have even hit his brake lever (ala Haga!) on the way by to put Gibernau so out of shape. I am unsure about the severity of the penalty...but is was an unprofessional kamikazi manuever!
As we are all taught, inside wins :o
The first time I saw Tamada contact Hayden trying to pass him on the inside I thought OK, he just doesn't understand the American's dirt track lines.
The second time you think he would have figured out Hayden kicks the rear out to tighten up the corner.
After the third time with Hayden, I was thinking Tamada was too aggressive and not riding smart (I'm sure he was getting frustrated with Hayden's lines).
I already though Tamada was riding rough before he hit Sete. If that would have been the first incident, I would have called it racing, but not after the way he was riding with Hayden.
Too bad, it was an otherwise awesome race.
-z.
Personally, I think Tamada wanted it more than anyone else, so he went for it where he thought he could.
If you have it on tape, I would look at the top view they showed near the end of the broadcast (after the race). This view shows an almost different story. From this angle it looks as though Tamada got the position, then Sete tried/wanted to move around Tamada on the outside, but the door was shut. Sete should have backed off to avoid the contact.
In my opinion it's another Ben Bostrom/Jacobi incident. The blame really should be directed at Sete. Riders at that level can be very agressive without indangering other riders.
Sean.. I couldn't have said it better myself. I saw it over and over and over and can't seem to find where it was Tamada's fault. As far as Tamada passing Hayden being too aggressive, I guess you guys never watched MotoGP before. ::)
QuoteWhat say you let me ride that TZ and try to emulate the Kwak Attack?
next year... blackhawk or Mid America. I'll let you sit on my bike and make ringa ding ding noises. ;)
wuttabout me??? i probly stall it huh???
>:( :-/
Quotewuttabout me??? i probly stall it huh???
>:( :-/
you don't even have to ask.... I thought we was cool like that. >:(
Ok. watched it again. The last pass against hayden was solid. There was contact but Tamada had the inside line. Now the pass against Gibernau looked bad to me. he pulled right up alongside and bumped Gibenau right. Gibenau was going straight and Tamada wanted to go outside a bit for a better line. Looked totally like Tamada's issue there.
My opinion for what its worth. As they say an opinion and 50 cents will buy you a cup of coffee.
Quotenext year... blackhawk or Mid America. I'll let you sit on my bike and make ringa ding ding noises. ;)
Hope I don't hole a piston...
MadXX, did you see the top view?
That's what I remember seeing.
Sete ran into Tamada's side rear.
You don't run the Spanish GP champion hopeful off the track in a series run by the Spanish. :-X
And the bullshït with Hopkins, a suspension?
Like he's the first guy to take other riders out in the first turn first lap this season, wtf?
I watched it from the high front view, couldnt find a top view on my dvr. I didn't see Sete move left-right at all at the initiation of contact, only Tamata.
I may be off on this one but it seemed Tamada was jamming himself into positions a lot this race, even more than the Brazil race. He is really fast but he needs to learn patience and make cleaner passes. Look at how Rossi passed Hayden and Gibenau, he waited, picked his spot, and made a clean pass. I think Tamada's methods, though not too far out of line for GP, has the potential for screwing up the championship or hurting one of the front-runners. MotoGP doesn't want that to happen because of a rookie.
I think Tamada is also fighting for position, next years top Honda spots. With Ukawa possibly going back to 250's and Akiro Ryonichi (sp) performing less than spectacularly on the other Telefonica machine. Tamada is showing what he's got.
The top view is near the very end of the broadcast, after all of the interviews. From that view you would see that Tamada had the position on Sete. I think what happened was Tamada snuck up the inside of Sete from a blind spot. Got a slight lead on Sete just by his approaching line, but Sete was fastly approaching his turn-in point. I think there lines merely intersected in the heat of battle.
I do believe it was aggressive, but not uncalled for. Remember when Sete snatched the win away from Rossi on the last turn a few rounds ago. Of course the pass was smoother, but ever since then, Rossi has stayed on his game for the entire race. I think if Sete would have gaurded the inside line better, Tamada never would have had room to sneek in.
I bet there is more contact than that during every start of every MotoGP race.
QuoteAkiro Ryonichi (sp)
Ryuchi Kiyonari ;D
Hey, next time I'll look up his name. I think I attempted to combine a Kawasaki rider with a Honda rider. What would that produce?
Akira Yanagawa + Ryuchi Kiyonari=Akiro Ryonichi ;D
Sean.. you keeping the TZ or moving on next year?
Don't forget Akira Ryo. ;)
I am moving on. Still staying with Yamaha though. I am currently planning to purchase the older style R6.
Reasons:
- I want to start earning expert points towards an AMA license. Best way to do that is race in more race classes, more preferrably the MW, HW and Unltd classes because they have the large EX fields (crucial point).
- I want to race more toward the BHF lap record, instead of the fastest LW racers time. Not to say I will be anywhere near the record next year, but I think it would fun.
- I chose the 250 to help make me a better rider. Time to see if it worked. I know more time on the 250 would probably be better, but I think I am ready to move on.
- The '99-'02 R6 has a ton of parts available for it at dirt cheap prices. I plan to push my self a little more next year, which may mean I'll crash, so I will definitely need cheap replacement parts.
Guess what? I still finished the 4th in LWGP and MWGP in the Great Lakes Region. I would definitely like to improve my MWGP standing next season as an expert.
QuoteDon't forget Akira Ryo. ;)
oh yeah.. forgot about him. Did you ever see that dude? He's a Japanese dude with a natural afro. :)
QuoteI am moving on. Still staying with Yamaha though. I am currently planning to purchase the older style R6.
Reasons:
- I want to start earning expert points towards an AMA license. Best way to do that is race in more race classes, more preferrably the MW, HW and Unltd classes because they have the large EX fields (crucial point).
- I want to race more toward the BHF lap record, instead of the fastest LW racers time. Not to say I will be anywhere near the record next year, but I think it would fun.
- I chose the 250 to help make me a better rider. Time to see if it worked. I know more time on the 250 would probably be better, but I think I am ready to move on.
- The '99-'02 R6 has a ton of parts available for it at dirt cheap prices. I plan to push my self a little more next year, which may mean I'll crash, so I will definitely need cheap replacement parts.
Guess what? I still finished the 4th in LWGP and MWGP in the Great Lakes Region. I would definitely like to improve my MWGP standing next season as an expert.
I think both paul and I are staying amateur. We don't have enough points to go expert. Staying with the 250 forever though. Probably will add an R6 one day though.
Quoteoh yeah.. forgot about him. Did you ever see that dude? He's a Japanese dude with a natural afro. :)
Yeah, he kind of reminds me of Yahoo Serious.
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QuoteI think both paul and I are staying amateur. We don't have enough points to go expert.
You both are sandbaggers by definition. You and Paul need to move up to expert. I think neither of you actually need to earn 500 points, you are both proven performers.
Besides white number plates would look much better on both bikes.
QuoteYeah, he kind of reminds me of Yahoo Serious.
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he actually looks like Scottie Pippen with Yahoo's hair. ;D
QuoteYou both are sandbaggers by definition. You and Paul need to move up to expert. I think neither of you actually need to earn 500 points, you are both proven performers.
Besides white number plates would look much better on both bikes.
well Paul is a proven performer. He's won every LWGP he entered. He's a sandbagger. :)
You are running 17's at BHF, that seems good enough to me to move up.
Move up. This way we can still race MWGP together.
I think MotoMad- wants some wood of his own.
diesel748,
What are you talking about? I am going expert also. I only hope I can get some wood in 2004. I also hope a lot of the AM go EX next year. That way more of us can earn AMA license qualifying points.
Monsta- you know I will have a yellow plate. I crashed my way out of a white one.
Sean, didn't you know that Brian and I are staying amatuer forever. I'm even going to let Brian win a few next year. As far as pushing and crashing that was my plan this year but I wussed out, but that is my plan for next year as well. I talked with Stiles and I am planning on doing a day with him and Super D next year and find out what I am missing.
Hank is on is way to Denver to buy a '98 TZ 250 which already has the white plates that he will need for next year. He ended up winning Great Lakes, Great Plains, and Mid-West AM Middleweight Sportsman this year. Don't worry Sean if they combine Am and Ex MWGP Brian and I may still see you out there. ;D
Seriously I wish you would keep the TZ, you still have more to learn grasshopper.
tz_boy, it's not a matter of if I would keep it, it more like if I could keep it. I crave much more track time than the bike has classes for. You see I desire to one day get my AMA Expert/Pro license. The only way to do that is to get points. To do that sooner rather than later, I have to race in more classes with large expert fields (most of which the TZ does not fit into, or is competitive in).
Now don't get me wrong, the TZ was all that - fun, technical and an experience I am glad I had. I too believe it was too short, but I think it's time for me to go 4-stroking. In the end, I am still a Yamaha man.